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Kyrie Irving believes the earth is flat.

As a proud Cleveland Cavs fan...smh.

How does someone who has gone to Duke and is obviously intelligent believe something like this? Is he actually trying to advocate this or is he just trying to say that we should question established beliefs in general?

Thinking more globally, how are intelligent people drawn to whole-heartedly believe in outlandish claims such as this in general, and what can we do about it? (anti-vaccine advocates would be a good example)


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Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Is he serious or just looking for attention/trying to prove a point?
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Not sure fam, but I listened to an interview and he was pretty earnest saying we should all "do our research".

Why Kyrie, why you do this.


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CavsFan2016 said:
Not sure fam, but I listened to an interview and he was pretty earnest saying we should all "do our research".

Why Kyrie, why you do this.


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Some people are just stupid. Educated != intelligent.
 
Brah if someone famous said so then it has to be true.


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I do believe kyrie is a pretty sharp kid, but it is not because he went to duke... he was literally there for 1 semester lol
 
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Frogger27 said:
I do believe kyrie is a pretty sharp kid, but it is not because he went to duke... he was literally there for 1 semester lol
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Ben Carson went to Yale and UMich. Educated != intelligent.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Ben Carson went to Yale and UMich. Educated != intelligent.
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he may be politically ignorant, but his work as a neurosurgeon was incredible and intellectually stimulating.
 
Lawpy said:
he may be politically ignorant, but his work as a neurosurgeon was incredible and intellectually stimulating.
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Can you point me to this intellectually stimulating stuff? I haven't looked terribly hard, but the little that I did find in the past that was non-political wasn't idiotic (which he tends toward in the political realm), but it wasn't particularly interesting either.
 
libertyyne said:
Would this be considered a technical feat by his peers or is it due to the nature of the patients and the media attention that this is considered impressive?
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His boss and colleagues consider it a technical feat according to that article I provided
 
Lawpy said:
His boss and colleagues consider it a technical feat according to that article I provided
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yeah, thats for the article and publicity. In the scientific and medical sense is it though?
 
libertyyne said:
yeah, thats for the article and publicity. In the scientific and medical sense is it though?
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yeah probably. why? do you want me to provide a long list of case studies and journal articles for you to critique?
 
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Lawpy said:
yeah probably. why? do you want me to provide a long list of case studies and journal articles for you to critique?
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yes, that would probably be helpful, but honestly I have no idea what makes something ground breaking in surgery. In medicine it is pretty clear cut, outcomes are clear in large multicenter trials. In surgery, especially like the one off one he performed in the article- was it really ground breaking? Do neurosurgeons the world over to this day use the technique perfected by him on a daily basis?
 
libertyyne said:
yes, that would probably be helpful, but honestly I have no idea what makes something ground breaking in surgery. In medicine it is pretty clear cut, outcomes are clear in large multicenter trials. In surgery, especially like the one off one he performed in the article- was it really ground breaking?
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I think we can safely assume that, as the head of pediatric neurosurgery, he was fairly accomplished in his field. That doesn't change the fact that, since his departure, he's been something of an embarrassment.
 
Endoxifen said:
I think we can safely assume that, as the head of pediatric neurosurgery, he was fairly accomplished in his field. That doesn't change the fact that, since his departure, he's been something of an embarrassment.
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He was the youngest head of ped surgery at the time. I am not saying he wasnt accomplished, I was asking about his contribution to the field of NS. These positions can be political as well. I know some idiots that are directors or heads of their departments in hospitals that I have worked at. That does not make them well respected in their fields or large contributors to their fields.
 
@neusu Perhaps you could clear this up for us. Has Ben Carson made any meaningful contributions to the field of Neurosurgery ? Was the separation of twins as ground breaking as the media attention it received?
 
libertyyne said:
yes, that would probably be helpful, but honestly I have no idea what makes something ground breaking in surgery. In medicine it is pretty clear cut, outcomes are clear in large multicenter trials. In surgery, especially like the one off one he performed in the article- was it really ground breaking?
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libertyyne said:
@neusu Perhaps you could clear this up for us. Has Ben Carson made any meaningful contributions to the field of Neurosurgery ? Was the separation of twins as ground breaking as the media attention it received?
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Wait hold on. We're steering away from my initial point. I was saying Carson's work was intellectually stimulating, and mimelim wanted an example, to which i gave the famous example of the conjoined twin separation. I wasn't arguing that Carson's work was groundbreaking or revolutionary. But Carson was an accomplished neurosurgery researcher, and his contributions to the field were helpful and insightful.

The point was to argue against the implication made that Carson wasn't intelligent. He was used as an example for education != intelligent, which is flawed. Carson may be politically ignorant, but he's a smart neurosurgeon.

You can find his journal articles and case studies by searching for him on pubmed

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Carson+Benjamin+S[Author]
 
Lawpy said:
Wait hold on. We're steering away from my initial point. I was saying Carson's work was intellectually stimulating, and mimelim wanted an example, to which i gave the famous example of the conjoined twin separation. I wasn't arguing that Carson's work was groundbreaking or revolutionary. But Carson was an accomplished neurosurgery researcher, and his contributions to the field were helpful and insightful.
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I guess I should rephrase the question. Was that surgery intellectually stimulating to the field of NS? I would also ask you what you find intellectually stimulating about the procedure? Plus my initial question still stands, if this was truely unique and deserving of the media attention , our resident neurosurgeon should be able to answer that for us.
 
libertyyne said:
I guess I should rephrase the question. Was that surgery intellectually stimulating to the field of NS? I would also ask you what you find intellectually stimulating about the procedure? Plus my initial question still stands, if this was truely unique and deserving of the media attention , our resident neurosurgeon should be able to answer that for us.
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I don't know whether the past attempts in separating conjoined twins were successful. Supposedly media and research portrayals suggest Carson's operation was the first to succeed.

I'm a layman so i find any surgical operation that requires expert technical skill to be intellectually stimulating.
 
Lawpy said:
I don't know whether the past attempts in separating conjoined twins were successful. Supposedly media and research portrayals suggest Carson's operation was the first to succeed.

I'm a layman so i find any surgical operation that requires expert technical skill to be intellectually stimulating.
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I guess we have different definitions of intellectual stimulation.
 
Regardless, i think using Carson as an example to argue that educated != intelligent was a poor one. He may be politically ignorant, but his work in the medical field is intellectually rewarding. And that's true for any medical researcher*.

*and yes including bad researchers and frauds (like Wakefield) since their work educates us in identifying and critiquing bad science... and using that to improve science research and research ethics.
 
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This theory has been floating around "conscious" pages on social media for a while.

Stay woke, y'all. Whatever that means these days 🙄
 
It's true. They also faked the moon landing, 9/11 was an inside job, most celebrities are members of the illuminati, the cure for cancer has been discovered but big pharma supresses it because chemo is more lucrative (and the same with clean energy and oil companies), vaccines are a ploy to make money, contrails are secret government experiments on chemical effects on the populace, Tupac is living in the Dominican Republic, oh and the holocaust was fake. Wake up sheeple!!!!

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Lawpy said:
Regardless, i think using Carson as an example to argue that educated != intelligent was a poor one. He may be politically ignorant, but his work in the medical field is intellectually rewarding. And that's true for any medical researcher*.

*and yes including bad researchers and frauds (like Wakefield) since their work educates us in identifying and critiquing bad science... and using that to improve science research and research ethics.
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That actually is why he is a good example. Someone so educated who has contributed so much to medicine who is somehow still a young Earth creationist is a pretty good example of how education != intelligence, and even more, how intelligent people can have ignorant beliefs.
 
Lawpy said:
sorry i didn't fulfill your expectations 🙁
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I think your point was completely missed. And I'm not sure how someone trying to be a doctor could say that the first successful craniopagus separation (if not the first successful conjoined separation period) which introduced new techniques into that type of procedure isn't intellectually stimulating within the field.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I think your point was completely missed. And I'm not sure how someone trying to be a doctor could say that the first successful craniopagus separation (if not the first successful conjoined separation period) which introduced new techniques into that type of procedure isn't intellectually stimulating within the field.
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Perhaps you should actually do some research before being passive aggressive about what other people find interesting or not. You are actually wrong, ben carson did not perform the first successful craniopagus separation. Harold Voris did 20 years before carson. http://thejns.org/doi/abs/10.3171/jns.1963.20.2.0145?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub=pubmed&
Maybe you need to improve your reading skills as well, because I have been asking time and time again what made the procedure special, is there a carson technique, or was it just the unique presentation or just Media Hype.
 
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Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
That actually is why he is a good example. Someone so educated who has contributed so much to medicine who is somehow still a young Earth creationist is a pretty good example of how education != intelligence, and even more, how intelligent people can have ignorant beliefs.
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yeah i'd agree with the assertion that educated and intelligent people can have ignorant views.
 
libertyyne said:
Perhaps you should actually do some research before being passive aggressive about what other people find interesting or not. You are actually wrong, ben carson did not perform the first successful craniopagus separation. Harold Voris did 20 years before carson. http://thejns.org/doi/abs/10.3171/jns.1963.20.2.0145?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub=pubmed&
Maybe you need to improve your reading skills as well, because I have been asking time and time again what made the procedure special, is there a carson technique, or was it just the unique presentation or just Media Hype.
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Looks like Wikipedia needs to get some better editors:

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As a pioneer in neurosurgery, Carson's achievements include performing the only successful separation of conjoined twins joined at the back of the head, pioneering the first successful neurosurgical procedure on a fetus inside the womb, performing the first completely successful separation of type-2 vertical craniopagus twins, developing new methods to treat brain-stem tumors, and reviving hemispherectomy techniques for controlling seizures.
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libertyyne said:
Perhaps you should actually do some research before being passive aggressive about what other people find interesting or not. You are actually wrong, ben carson did not perform the first successful caniopagus seperation. Harold Voris did 20 years before carson. http://thejns.org/doi/abs/10.3171/jns.1963.20.2.0145?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub=pubmed&
Maybe you need to improve your reading skills as well, because I have been asking time and time again what made the procedure special, is there a carson technique, or was it just the unique presentation or just Media Hype.
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I stand corrected. Thanks for posting that. I look forward to reading it. But the rest of my post still stands. There were definitely firsts in that room. Whether you find that interesting or not, it seems pretty obvious what made the procedure special. That condition is super rare, with the procedure to separate even more rare. It involved a **** ton of doctors and some techniques appropriated from other procedures for the first time.

Also, check this out:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15169596/?i=2&from=/15607002/related

Now that's cool.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I stand corrected. Thanks for posting that. I look forward to reading it. But the rest of my post still stands. There were definitely firsts in that room. Whether you find that interesting or not, it seems pretty obvious what made the procedure special. That condition is super rare, with the procedure to separate even more rare. It involved a **** ton of doctors and some techniques appropriated from other procedures for the first time.

Also, check this out:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15169596/?i=2&from=/15607002/related

Now that's cool.
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Now that is something we can all agree upon as cool.
 
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libertyyne said:
Now that is something we can all agree upon as cool.
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Yeah. And don't get me wrong, I think there was definitely some media hype around Carson's case. I think they did the right thing, but it still was a poor outcome for the twins. And super ****ed up of the mom to just give him up like that because he was delayed.
 
eteshoe said:
As dumb as this is, all I need from Kyrie is to stay healthy throughout the post season so the my Cavs can bring home that repeat championship and people can stop debating the greatness that is King James.
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Ain't happening, the warriors will be out for blood this year and the cavs just don't have the same edge.

libertyyne said:
He was the youngest head of ped surgery at the time. I am not saying he wasnt accomplished, I was asking about his contribution to the field of NS. These positions can be political as well. I know some idiots that are directors or heads of their departments in hospitals that I have worked at. That does not make them well respected in their fields or large contributors to their fields.
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I had the same question and asked some of the neurosurgeons at work, they all said that Ben Carson is very well respected in the NS community. In the world of peds NS they said he is considered one of the very best and is the standard that people aim for.
 
Don't care what he says or thinks about earth science... I just need him to help us bring home that second straight ship!

But really tho if he thinks that... I'll have to pretend like I never heard it. Ha


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Craniopagus separation is highly risky and difficult. It is an amazing technical feat when performed but the rarity of the separation makes it difficult for a single case or a few cases to move the field forward because most neurosurgeons will never even see a case let alone attempt the operation. The difficulty of each case is variable because the location of conjoinment and degree of shared structures, especially blood vessels, is much more variable than in many problems in neurosurgery.
 
NeuResurgens said:
It's true. They also faked the moon landing, 9/11 was an inside job, most celebrities are members of the illuminati, the cure for cancer has been discovered but big pharma supresses it because chemo is more lucrative (and the same with clean energy and oil companies), vaccines are a ploy to make money, contrails are secret government experiments on chemical effects on the populace, Tupac is living in the Dominican Republic, oh and the holocaust was fake. Wake up sheeple!!!!

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That's what gets me: conspiritards are an all-or-nothing thing. Either you believe in none of the conspiracies or all of them, nothing in between.
 
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