England - Game Thread

[sunshinefl]

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My point was never about defending or not defending shorty, wouldn't have mattered to me who he was directing his posts towards. It was about your behavior towards DocE.

And what was my behavior towards Doc E besides *not defending shorty* ?

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

Just looked sunny raged in apocolypse. Guess it’s NAI.

this shifts some things for me.

Am I the only one with a theory as to why this happened

I have a theory, but it likely can't be confirmed at the moment and is more likely to endanger people than be helpful until I know more so I've kept it off the thread

 

[WildZoo]

And what was my behavior towards Doc E besides *not defending shorty* ?

I have already discussed this ad nauseum at this point and am not interested in bloating the thread. It's not like I expect to convince you of the wolfiness of your own behavior anyway.

 

[Animal Midwife]

His name is and will forever be Big Ben

Big Ben is the bell, not the clock. It never has and never will be Big Ben.

I was less busy?

Okay. Looking forward to what you do while you're here.

Am I the only one with a theory as to why this happened

What's your theory?

 

[capri1722]

Am I the only one with a theory as to why this happened

No

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

I have to go to a meeting, and I'm not totally sure if I'll be back before yeet close (I'll try but can't guarantee) so for now I'll go with my stronger feeling and turn salt into real vote

yeet AM

I'm thinking hard about sunshine now though

 

[WildZoo]

Am I the only one with a theory as to why this happened

Yes

 

[sunshinefl]

I have already discussed this ad nauseum at this point and am not interested in bloating the thread. It's not like I expect to convince you of the wolfiness of your own behavior anyway.

Lol okay so you can repeatedly throw shade on me that you can never expand on because it will bloat the thread but can keep repeating the same ill conceived half point over and over and over again

 

[SARdoghandler]

here’s a little teaser, it’s all based on my England knowledge and popular pop culture and I’m pretty sure whoever did it is village and I think they have a wolfy counterpart in the north. So if they could just like shoot me a hint of who they are I’d appreciate that.

Bringing the teapot back because I'm still sour. What made you think that yoinking my teapot was a village action? Because I'm not necessarily reading it as such

Not unpopular with me. I’d love some insight and fresh eyes looking Samac who I’ve had a difficult time reading. Especially since I don’t agree with her wolf read on AM, and I’m not sure how I feel about her wolf read of April.

Something about her tone in the prime minister run up pinged me. Then the more recent things like quoting her own post accidentally, etc. Which sure, could be accident but also says to me that she was lurking on thread at the time without providing a ton of contribution at that time. Also not loving the fixation on the teapot when she said herself she thought it was a village action. Trying to hunt out a villager sounds more like wolf PR hunting or 3p villager hunting to me.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I have to go to a meeting, and I'm not totally sure if I'll be back before yeet close (I'll try but can't guarantee) so for now I'll go with my stronger feeling and turn salt into real vote

yeet AM

I'm thinking hard about sunshine now though

You still have to answer my question once you get back. Ignoring doesn't free you.

 

[dyachei]

hey guys, I don't check these games often, but things need to cool down a notch or we won't continue having WW or some people may be dealing with thread bans, post holds, or other moderation

 

[samac]

Bringing the teapot back because I'm still sour. What made you think that yoinking my teapot was a village action? Because I'm not necessarily reading it as such



Something about her tone in the prime minister run up pinged me. Then the more recent things like quoting her own post accidentally, etc. Which sure, could be accident but also says to me that she was lurking on thread at the time without providing a ton of contribution at that time. Also not loving the fixation on the teapot when she said herself she thought it was a village action. Trying to hunt out a villager sounds more like wolf PR hunting or 3p villager hunting to me.

Someone finally called out my mistake! I’ve wondered why it got ignored. it felt wrong no one commented on it.
I was trying to quote my own post to a PM. I have multiple PMs going and they’re more willing to put up with my tinfoiling than the thread.
but I don’t think I’ve been inactive given I have the second highest post count behind AM overall and 3rd for the past day.

But I am curious what pinged you in the runoff?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Someone finally called out my mistake! I’ve wondered why it got ignored. it felt wrong no one commented on it.
I was trying to quote my own post to a PM. I have multiple PMs going and they’re more willing to put up with my tinfoiling than the thread.
but I don’t think I’ve been inactive given I have the second highest post count behind AM overall and 3rd for the past day.

But I am curious what pinged you in the runoff?

What do you mean it got ignored? I asked you about it almost immediately.

 

[SARdoghandler]

they’re more willing to put up with my tinfoiling than the thread.

See but this sounds like something a wolf would also benefit from

but I don’t think I’ve been inactive given I have the second highest post count behind AM overall and 3rd for the past day.

I did not say that you were, I think? Or if I did, it was not intended as such haha

But I am curious what pinged you in the runoff?

Hold please and I can try to pull out the posts that pinged me. I just have a note in my mod pm right now from then that says basically "Samac = WOLF?!?!?" without giving myself much else for context. So, thanks past SAR for that.

 

[samac]

What do you mean it got ignored? I asked you about it almost immediately.

Past that no one was calling it out. I expected people to call it a wolf slip or something but they didn’t.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

I like Bark's play so far I have her in my village pile.

Shorty- Pressure votes stagg cause they didn’t post all day. I didn't like this at all. Seemed like an easy vote. Stagg has obviously no showed. Got better as the game progressed. Calls out april's defense of vis. The logic to her village read didn't make sense.

April- Yeets DocE for rubbing her the wrong way. She feels he's wolfy. When dubz asked her about zenge she mentioned that he was "slightly less icky than yesterday. His D0 posts were very pingy and sparse, but he sounds a little bit better today. I'm not taking him down to neutral quite yet because he did the same thing in the last game he wolfed (really wolfy D1 then stepped up his game D2)." He only made one post. This seems sus to me.

DocE- Not liking his shorty vote or read. I think her play has somewhat improved. His play, while controversial, reads village. I don't want to see him yeeted today.

This is bob's first game but something about his tone feels off. Feels like he has some sort of info. His fixation on me and no one else feels weird, especially since he's a newbie.

Oh. And MsP has played many times and never been wolf. She is due. Lol. Thin. Razor thin.

He mentioned that he got this from someone on thread but it still pings me as weird

What's your theory?

I agree with telemarketing enigma. It's not worth putting on thread

Unyeet AM, Yeet April

 

[samac]

See but this sounds like something a wolf would also benefit from



I did not say that you were, I think? Or if I did, it was not intended as such haha



Hold please and I can try to pull out the posts that pinged me. I just have a note in my mod pm right now from then that says basically "Samac = WOLF?!?!?" without giving myself much else for context. So, thanks past SAR for that.

Ya said I was lurking, that tends to lend toward inactive and reading.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I like Bark's play so far I have her in my village pile.

Shorty- Pressure votes stagg cause they didn’t post all day. I didn't like this at all. Seemed like an easy vote. Stagg has obviously no showed. Got better as the game progressed. Calls out april's defense of vis. The logic to her village read didn't make sense.

April- Yeets DocE for rubbing her the wrong way. She feels he's wolfy. When dubz asked her about zenge she mentioned that he was "slightly less icky than yesterday. His D0 posts were very pingy and sparse, but he sounds a little bit better today. I'm not taking him down to neutral quite yet because he did the same thing in the last game he wolfed (really wolfy D1 then stepped up his game D2)." He only made one post. This seems sus to me.

DocE- Not liking his shorty vote or read. I think her play has somewhat improved. His play, while controversial, reads village. I don't want to see him yeeted today.

This is bob's first game but something about his tone feels off. Feels like he has some sort of info. His fixation on me and no one else feels weird, especially since he's a newbie.


He mentioned that he got this from someone on thread but it still pings me as weird


I agree with telemarketing enigma. It's not worth putting on thread

Unyeet AM, Yeet April

So what's your lean on shorty overall?

 

[samac]

I like Bark's play so far I have her in my village pile.

Shorty- Pressure votes stagg cause they didn’t post all day. I didn't like this at all. Seemed like an easy vote. Stagg has obviously no showed. Got better as the game progressed. Calls out april's defense of vis. The logic to her village read didn't make sense.

April- Yeets DocE for rubbing her the wrong way. She feels he's wolfy. When dubz asked her about zenge she mentioned that he was "slightly less icky than yesterday. His D0 posts were very pingy and sparse, but he sounds a little bit better today. I'm not taking him down to neutral quite yet because he did the same thing in the last game he wolfed (really wolfy D1 then stepped up his game D2)." He only made one post. This seems sus to me.

DocE- Not liking his shorty vote or read. I think her play has somewhat improved. His play, while controversial, reads village. I don't want to see him yeeted today.

This is bob's first game but something about his tone feels off. Feels like he has some sort of info. His fixation on me and no one else feels weird, especially since he's a newbie.


He mentioned that he got this from someone on thread but it still pings me as weird


I agree with telemarketing enigma. It's not worth putting on thread

Unyeet AM, Yeet April

You know what?
One thing that worried me about April is day 0 saying I was a village read and her being very open with me in PM. It surprised me.
I like what you laid out about Zenge. I’m ok with this.
yeet april

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

So what's your lean on shorty overall?

I think the shorty v DocE thing's v/v

 

[SARdoghandler]

Ya said I was lurking, that tends to lend toward inactive and reading.

No, two very different things. You were posting game related content at ~5:00 (my time zone, forgive me), then a pause until the oops at 5:30, then nothing for about 2 hours after that. There was extra content generated on thread during that time. It just feels like it's possibly lurking on the thread without being present for that in between period.

 

[samac]

No, two very different things. You were posting game related content at ~5:00 (my time zone, forgive me), then a pause until the oops at 5:30, then nothing for about 2 hours after that. There was extra content generated on thread during that time. It just feels like it's possibly lurking on the thread without being present for that in between period.

I took a nap after that just so you know, but god forbid I’m reading the thread and talking in PMs for 30 minutes lol

 

[Aprilthearab]

And that's just the thing. I'm not here for fun. I'm here to win. No part about it being this hard on people and being this picky about the stances and phrases I use is fun. But it does (on a statistics level) win games.


Oh cut it out with the garbage. this is definitely pro villager. That you want some tranquil game of everyone playing nice is irrelevant to the fact that what I do works. Its not like it's some magic bullet that wins games for villagers automatically. It can go wrong. Just like many other "good" approaches. But it does work. So stop with the nonsense saying it doesn't. You're allowed to say you have never seen it before, but the reason the veterans are putting up with me is because they know it's as good as many other strategies. But there are objectively bad approaches (lets all share our thoughts in early rounds) and a few of you are pushing for that and it is coocoo for coco puffs that these people aren't being roundly chastised.

You can disagree with people without being mean. You can stir things up without being mean if that's your goal. You can even make people real angry without being mean if that's your goal. Yet you choose to do so anyway. I know that's not going to change about you, so I'd rather just see you yeeted. Strategic or not. It does help that you are a strategic yeet in my opinion.

Edited the post because the quote was being glitchy, was trying to respond to the entirety of his post

 

[SARdoghandler]

Here are a few of the D1 ping posts:

Honestly I loved being mayor in the noob game so imma be selfish and
Elect Samac

Also we might have some people waking up late considering we were on Jackbox at 3 am

Subtle possible defense of fellow wolves that might not be coming until later. Just felt a little forced to have that extra bit in there - which is something I struggle a lot with as a wolf

Also I love PMs so choosing one person in my group is hard

Beginning of the everyone-pm-samac push. I understand liking to pm, but often having a lot of pms and pm skills to go with it can be strongly wolf leaning.

Dude you actually solved it, started doubting yourself and I role revealed to prove you were right.
you did all the heavy lifting, I just had to blow it up lol

Soft trying to pocket Dubz.

Like I said, it's mostly feels at this point and I don't see it gaining traction at any point soon because voting out the mayor right away is not usually a thing that happens. But that's my pings unto now.

 

[WildZoo]

Me, having completely missed samac's oops post

 

[SARdoghandler]

I took a nap after that just so you know, but god forbid I’m reading the thread and talking in PMs for 30 minutes lol

Like I said, it's mostly feels at this point and I don't see it gaining traction at any point soon because voting out the mayor right away is not usually a thing that happens. But that's my pings unto now.

^^

Again, just my interpretation of things. Right or wrong, it's how it felt to me

 

[Aprilthearab]

@Aprilthearab do you feel like DocE is a bullseye and going to flip wolf? Or just that you’re shooting in the dark?

I feel like he’s going to flip village, just an dingus villager.


Oh apocalypse. I totally forgot she was wolfing.

Just shooting in the dark. In DocE's own words, "They are the person who I feel most comfortable with losing if they end up being a villager."

 

[samac]

Here are a few of the D1 ping posts:



Subtle possible defense of fellow wolves that might not be coming until later. Just felt a little forced to have that extra bit in there - which is something I struggle a lot with as a wolf



Beginning of the everyone-pm-samac push. I understand liking to pm, but often having a lot of pms and pm skills to go with it can be strongly wolf leaning.



Soft trying to pocket Dubz.

Like I said, it's mostly feels at this point and I don't see it gaining traction at any point soon because voting out the mayor right away is not usually a thing that happens. But that's my pings unto now.

Mentioning that people were up until 3am playing jackbox was wolfy? Interesting.
Go back and look at apocalypse. I love PMs. I yeeted someone for ignoring me.
also the comment was about shorty, not dubz.

 

[WildZoo]

Subtle possible defense of fellow wolves that might not be coming until later. Just felt a little forced to have that extra bit in there - which is something I struggle a lot with as a wolf

I feel like this is a pretty big stretch. There was a large group of people on jackbox that night. I don't think it's AI for samac to mention it at all.

 

[samac]

Just shooting in the dark. In DocE's own words, "They are the person who I feel most comfortable with losing if they end up being a villager."

Even if you’re shooting in the dark how do you think your aim is?

 

[DocEspana]

You can disagree with people without being mean. You can stir things up without being mean if that's your goal. You can even make people real angry without being mean if that's your goal. Yet you choose to do so anyway. I know that's not going to change about you, so I'd rather just see you yeeted. Strategic or not. It does help that you are a strategic yeet in my opinion.

Edited the post because the quote was being glitchy, was trying to respond to the entirety of his post

If this is your definition of mean. Well I don't know what to make of it then.

Bad strategy is bad strategy. Endorsing bad strategy makes no sense to me. I have some reading to do.

 

[SARdoghandler]

also the comment was about shorty, not dubz.

Whoops. This is what happens when I am largely skimming and iso-ing

Either way, my point was not to put you on the defensive because like I said, I don't see your yeet going to pick up traction at this point. You wanted to know which areas pinged me and why, and I have provided that. I understand that you don't agree with my interpretation

 

[Animal Midwife]

MsP's list is short, but I appreciate the presence and hope it will continue to improve over the coming cycles.

Now, I'm going to Stagg because I still think his reasoning for voting shorty was really off. Kinda wondering if it was so his break would look more natural with a vote left.

Unyeet MsP
Yeet Stagg

 

[DocEspana]

Just shooting in the dark. In DocE's own words, "They are the person who I feel most comfortable with losing if they end up being a villager."

See this, this I like.
But now you've got me rereading your stuff.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Even if you’re shooting in the dark how do you think your aim is?

Aim for a wolf: not so great. I'm not convinced he's wolfing, to be completely honest. Aim for a person who is acting obnoxious and unhelpful to village: spot on.

 

[SARdoghandler]

I feel like this is a pretty big stretch. There was a large group of people on jackbox that night. I don't think it's AI for samac to mention it at all.

It is a bit of a reach, but it felt like an added bit of jokey fluff. Like exactly the jokey fluff I like to add to my first post as a wolf because I'm like "OH GOD HOW DO I PLAY IT COOL". And I have been correctly yoten for it at least twice

 

[Aprilthearab]

If this is your definition of mean. Well I don't know what to make of it then.

We didn't get a mod warning for no reason, dude.

 

[LetItSnow]

I’m giving a vote with an explanation. Not sure how that’s “pushing too hard”. And even if it is, then so is your vote with an explanation for me.

Huh? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[samac]

Whoops. This is what happens when I am largely skimming and iso-ing

Either way, my point was not to put you on the defensive because like I said, I don't see your yeet going to pick up traction at this point. You wanted to know which areas pinged me and why, and I have provided that. I understand that you don't agree with my interpretation

Nah I’m cool with you questioning me.
It makes sense to scrutinize me as I was elected into the PM role and the fact that more people haven’t been doing it felt off.

 

[WildZoo]

It is a bit of a reach, but it felt like an added bit of jokey fluff. Like exactly the jokey fluff I like to add to my first post as a wolf because I'm like "OH GOD HOW DO I PLAY IT COOL". And I have been correctly yoten for it at least twice

Oh. I thought you usually get yoten for being too serious.

 

[Barkley13]

Someone finally called out my mistake! I’ve wondered why it got ignored. it felt wrong no one commented on it.
I was trying to quote my own post to a PM. I have multiple PMs going and they’re more willing to put up with my tinfoiling than the thread.
but I don’t think I’ve been inactive given I have the second highest post count behind AM overall and 3rd for the past day.

But I am curious what pinged you in the runoff?

Well this whole post pinged me. Mainly the defensiveness with talking about your post count and such

Me, having completely missed samac's oops post

I just didn't understand what was happening lol

 

[genny]

Do you have any new jokes for me?

I’m just trying to keep up between appointments so I don’t have 5 hours of reading to do later. I’ll be able to get right to the jokes instead.

 

[LetItSnow]

This conversation is off-topic at this point, but the extra kill isn't based on guessing a player is a villager, it's usually guessing something more specific to their role. For example many moons ago in the Dogs game I could get extra kills if I could guess what AKC group a player's role was in (and was aided greatly by @PippyPony casually asking about what breeds people were on thread because of excitement about the game theme lol)


I also have reason to believe that player locations are relevant to their role

So you agree with... basically every post she's made so far in the game?

I really dislike your sudden ignoring of veteran players being rude to newer players on thread, which as I recall is something you hate and have always been riled up by. Having a hard time seeing you support DocE at all given that.
A lot of your reasoning shared today is also really off the wall and you've avoided lots of questions about your play/reads until you could come on and give really vague answers (like your response to my question about your last second mayor vote switch, which was completely ignored until someone asked it again later, and your reads responses today).

Vote sunny

Uh. Over the top much? "veteran players being rude to newer players"?

Which veteran playerS? There are more than one? Rude how?

And why do you guys care sooooooo much about DocE (who I assume you're talking about, though I don't talk about him as a pleural "players") and give AM a free pass for the constant condescending, rude tone AM has been using?

I'm ok with the sunny vote, obviously, but the line of thought to get there seemed really weird.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Oh. I thought you usually get yoten for being too serious.

No, see the too serious came after I got yoten for my first post being too jokey

I have yet to find the happy not-yeet-bait medium

 

[Zenge142]

I don't see any problems with samac as of yet

So what are your thoughts on SAR’s thoughts on Samac here:

Spoiler

Something about her tone in the prime minister run up pinged me. Then the more recent things like quoting her own post accidentally, etc. Which sure, could be accident but also says to me that she was lurking on thread at the time without providing a ton of contribution at that time. Also not loving the fixation on the teapot when she said herself she thought it was a village action. Trying to hunt out a villager sounds more like wolf PR hunting or 3p villager hunting to me.

 

[LetItSnow]

I don't really understand the zenge votes, I think he's contributing a lot to gameplay and more than just "but muh gurlfrend" like I've seen mentioned as a reason against him. He's certainly had thoughts on more than just her

@genny I saw you were the first vote on him, has his play today changed your thoughts at all?

Agreed.

 

[samac]

Well this whole post pinged me. Mainly the defensiveness with talking about your post count and such

I just didn't understand what was happening lol

I was accused of lurking. I didn’t think I’ve been lurky this game given how active I’ve been.

 

[Zenge142]

Are you village reading AM or just not wolf reading her?

I’m leaning more village as the day as progressed. She seems like she’s playing pretty basic village AM so far. Asking questions, pressuring people. Nothings pinging me as wolfy.

 

[Aprilthearab]

You know what?
One thing that worried me about April is day 0 saying I was a village read and her being very open with me in PM. It surprised me.
I like what you laid out about Zenge. I’m ok with this.
yeet april

I was open in PMs with you because of my village read of you. I like PMs too. You seem to have forgotten when we were PM partners in Apocalypse and I role revealed and told you who I was acting on for no reason other than I can't keep my mouth shut in PMs. I've already explained exactly why I village read you so early.

 

[samac]

I was open in PMs with you because of my village read of you. I like PMs too. You seem to have forgotten when we were PM partners in Apocalypse and role revealed and told you who I was acting on for no reason other than I can't keep my mouth shut in PMs. I've already explained exactly why I village read you so early.

That is fair. I got you after I voted flushy because he wouldn’t talk to me right? Lol.
And I get you did that on thread day 1, it just felt so weird day 0.