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[Animal Midwife]

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[sunshinefl]

From my perspective of reading her village, that makes sense since as a villager she would know the PM partner theory was bunk. So I don't think it's a good idea to look at that in a vacuum.

Recognizing that I'm biased by my village read on her and the fact that I think the PM partner thing is a stretch anyway.

Oh I think the theory was a stretch too. I’m just still having mixed reads on Samac.

 

[Stagg737]

Your true friends are the grades you made along the way!

Is there some other kind of friend I didn't know about?

I had to quote this. With all the butt hurt going around (which I halfway enjoy, halfway don't, I'm a masochist, I've had prosecco and you don't even what to know the things I do for fun besides fight on SDN ;-) I have to say this was the best post of all. So true.

Cray, most of us have been to the lounge. We know what happened in the SDN Meat-Up.

 

[WildZoo]

😳

 

[SportPonies]

You guys should get a room

 

[Stagg737]

Had a feel yesterday so I'm pursuing it, at least until I have time to look over some things. What has you reading her village?

Maybe I missed it, but what gave you feels?

 

[WildZoo]

I'm still a little triggered by cyndia using some exact phrasing to what she used in bioshock when she was catching up and placing vote.

But I know some people will village reading her so would like some more thoughts on that. I think that was @genny and @alleycat03

 

[Barkley13]

I'm still a little triggered by cyndia using some exact phrasing to what she used in bioshock when she was catching up and placing vote.

But I know some people will village reading her so would like some more thoughts on that. I think that was @genny and @alleycat03

How do you feel about alley?

 

[WildZoo]

Maybe I missed it, but what gave you feels?

I couldn't follow her move from vis to mkg when vis had not even posted since dina had posted her reads that still had vis at the top. She did say in that reads lists that there were things on thread making her reconsider but the move to mkg was naked and the impetus to move off vis never explained. I didn't see her interact with mkg directly either which I think is a little odd considering she was around.

 

[WildZoo]

How do you feel about alley?

Still in the village leans

 

[Lawpy]

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[sunshinefl]

I have a hard time believing TE's NK was based on role revealing in PM, just because it's not something that I think wolves would find important to get rid of. She wasn't being heavily village read either. I also say this because we NK'd her N1 in ggoats and while it wasn't RNG we didn't really have a solid reason for it.

It's possible it wasn't a wolfy kill either considering how many deaths there were.

This is why NK analysis is difficult

Okay I found the post. She did say the same thing as Samac. But again in her case she wasn’t Enigma’s PM partner. However she is adding the spin that Enigma’s ability wouldn’t even be worth a NK.

also while looking through all of her posts, I was trying to form a better read on her. And I didn’t. I feel maybe slightly wolfy of neutral.

 

[WildZoo]

Can people in general consider voting a bit earlier this day cycle? Like by tomorrow morning rather than in the evening?

 

[alissa14]

Is federal funding or grants jelly beans?

 

[alissa14]

Is federal funding or grants jelly beans?

Hmm guess not. Something autocorrects to jelly beans and it has to do with financial aid

 

[PippyPony]

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Can people in general consider voting a bit earlier this day cycle? Like by tomorrow morning rather than in the evening?

Deserves to get you canonized as a British saint
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[PippyPony]

Day 3 - Who's Tardy TARDIS - Vote Tally

Dina (1) - Dubz
Bread (2) - mkg, AM
Sunshine (1) - DocE
Cray (1) - samac

5/23 players voting
Voting closes in the fUTuRe

 

[Animal Midwife]

@samac Are you silenced?

 

[sunshinefl]

No

Hmm guess not. Something autocorrects to jelly beans and it has to do with jelly beans

it’s “financial.aid” but without the period

 

[Animal Midwife]

@samac Are you silenced?

She turned back on her last seen so I think it's intention signaling to let us know she's still around.

 

[WildZoo]

Maybe she's the one who was left in the past?

 

[genny]

@samac Are you silenced?

Was it not a night cancel last night?

 

[genny]

I'm still a little triggered by cyndia using some exact phrasing to what she used in bioshock when she was catching up and placing vote.

But I know some people will village reading her so would like some more thoughts on that. I think that was @genny and @alleycat03

She sounded village to me. And then she got busy. And now I’m busy. So I havent really evaluated that read again.

 

[WildZoo]

She sounded village to me. And then she got busy. And now I’m busy. So I havent really evaluated that read again.

Can you be more specific?

 

[genny]

Can you be more specific?

Both in pm and on thread. She opened the pm, which gives her village points because the last time she PMed me as a wolf it went pretty badly for her.

 

[Crayola227]

Are you sure. Because these are from Bioshock.

Eh, what tipped me off that one game was that her tone felt like.... an impersonation of the ego that AM has. I'm also getting that vibe here. Her fight with me over egos felt faked/forced.

 

[Crayola227]

I don't see how that follows from a quote about zenge? Where she was asking a question about barks?

Sorry, quotes within quotes. I will walk this back.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Maybe she's the one who was left in the past?

(I like your idea better) Or is there a punishment when there is ties. Such as silencing?

What happens with other powers? With stealing? With the teapot? Modifying writeups? Other items? Do we need to get the teapot back?

I am trying to look at the mechanics more. And the verses left by Shakespeare. Should I share thoughts on those? I assume so but just want to make sure I am not wasting time or spoiling by doing that. Especially don't want to waste time.

Do these descriptions during day or night ever lead to something other than story pulling it all together? Do they help solve what we need to do to win? Or again, just there for fun but waste of time to try and decipher?

 

[WildZoo]

(I like your idea better) Or is there a punishment when there is ties. Such as silencing?

What happens with other powers? With stealing? With the teapot? Modifying writeups? Other items? Do we need to get the teapot back?

I am trying to look at the mechanics more. And the verses left by Shakespeare. Should I share thoughts on those? I assume so but just want to make sure I am not wasting time or spoiling by doing that. Especially don't want to waste time.

Do these descriptions during day or night ever lead to something other than story pulling it all together? Do they help solve what we need to do to win? Or again, just there for fun but waste of time to try and decipher?

Depends on the mod. Often there are hints in writeups, but often those are surrounded by things that are just for story purposes. It's probably the same with the Shakespeare verses.

 

[Dinashadow]

I couldn't follow her move from vis to mkg when vis had not even posted since dina had posted her reads that still had vis at the top.

I literally said at the beginning of the reads list that they were in no particular order so this does not inspire confidence in me that you are even listening to what I'm saying.

Vis had defense of her april vote earlier in the cycle and not being around yeet close to defend honestly made me less sure of my wolf read of her. Plus two people that I'm village reading and that I consider to have strong reads in general were voting for mkg, so it started to feel like vis was a counter wagon and I was on the wrong side so I switched.

Mkg's defense on thread didn't make me feel better about her being village. I feel bad about her irl stuff, but irl stuff is not AI. Also she went from saying "maybe it's best for village if I flip earlier" to then pushing hard to get bread yeeted instead when it was actually looking like she was going to be yeeted. Her reads from yesterday were on people who have barely been posting and yeah I think it's important to pressure those people and sure quiet people can be wolfing, but they're easy bait for misyeet by wolves who are under fire.

Her big ISO yesterday was on two players that she's not even wolf reading.

Then there was the whole thing with her telling samac about her role in PM, but being super cautious about dropping it on thread when she was about to be yeeted. With all the PMs samac has I wouldn't be surprised if there's a wolf in there pocketing her (assuming samac is village like I'm suspecting). It's the same thing last game where zenge tried to PM me and readily dropped his seer claim (which was his actual role btw) to pocket me. I probably would've defended him for it on thread too if I didn't have the extra information I had and wasn't the village seer myself.

I think there was a wolf on the board yesterday and obviously it wasn't vis, so I still think mkg should be flipped.

She did say in that reads lists that there were things on thread making her reconsider but the move to mkg was naked and the impetus to move off vis never explained. I didn't see her interact with mkg directly either which I think is a little odd considering she was around.

It was sparse, but it wasn't naked. I'm not even sure what my wolfy motivations would be from moving off vis to mkg. I'm not even sure what about mkg inspired you to move off of her in the first place.

 

[Dinashadow]

Anyways all that being said

yeet mkg

 

[Crayola227]

I don't feel great about him, but up through most of yesterday he either said a lot of nothing or defended shorty/engaged with DocE (which didn't feel very village). Late last night and today he seemed to shift to actually talking about other people.

TME and Barks were having an exchange.. TME was skeptical about Zenge.

 

[Crayola227]

Cray is pushing several of my village leans and idk if that means I'm wrong about them or wrong about her 🙃

I only push where the posts lead me.

 

[Crayola227]

@Crayola227 and whoever else was getting on samac's case for hand-waving the TME kill, why aren't you giving the same focus to dina for saying essentially the same thing?

Because I kinda missed it. But as I already said, Dina has said several things that have pinged me.

 

[Crayola227]

Day 3 - Who's Tardy TARDIS - Vote Tally

Dina (1) - Dubz
Bread (2) - mkg, AM
Sunshine (1) - DocE
Cray (1) - samac

5/23 players voting
Voting closes in the fUTuRe

When did samac vote me? And why?

 

[Crayola227]

I'm still a little triggered by cyndia using some exact phrasing to what she used in bioshock when she was catching up and placing vote.

But I know some people will village reading her so would like some more thoughts on that. I think that was @genny and @alleycat03

I have a village lean on her too.

I don't think for her wording is as signif as content/tone. She's not making bad pushes, her logic is good, and she's had some insights. These appeared less when she wolfed. I'm not as skeeved if the part that tends to be true and NAI (drive by posting) sounds similar between both games.

But Cyndia can be tricky. With her I wait for a "bad" post to appear to know she's wolfing. See above for definition.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm still a little triggered by cyndia using some exact phrasing to what she used in bioshock when she was catching up and placing vote.

But I know some people will village reading her so would like some more thoughts on that. I think that was @genny and @alleycat03

And I'm not trying to answer for genny or alley, but you were asking about people leaning her village and I thought you might have left me off.

 

[alleycat03]

I’m almost certain that Samac is silenced. She hasn’t answered any of my messages in PMs, which I think is very unusual.

 

[WildZoo]

I literally said at the beginning of the reads list that they were in no particular order so this does not inspire confidence in me that you are even listening to what I'm saying.

Vis had defense of her april vote earlier in the cycle and not being around yeet close to defend honestly made me less sure of my wolf read of her. Plus two people that I'm village reading and that I consider to have strong reads in general were voting for mkg, so it started to feel like vis was a counter wagon and I was on the wrong side so I switched.

Mkg's defense on thread didn't make me feel better about her being village. I feel bad about her irl stuff, but irl stuff is not AI. Also she went from saying "maybe it's best for village if I flip earlier" to then pushing hard to get bread yeeted instead when it was actually looking like she was going to be yeeted. Her reads from yesterday were on people who have barely been posting and yeah I think it's important to pressure those people and sure quiet people can be wolfing, but they're easy bait for misyeet by wolves who are under fire.

Her big ISO yesterday was on two players that she's not even wolf reading.

Then there was the whole thing with her telling samac about her role in PM, but being super cautious about dropping it on thread when she was about to be yeeted. With all the PMs samac has I wouldn't be surprised if there's a wolf in there pocketing her (assuming samac is village like I'm suspecting). It's the same thing last game where zenge tried to PM me and readily dropped his seer claim (which was his actual role btw) to pocket me. I probably would've defended him for it on thread too if I didn't have the extra information I had and wasn't the village seer myself.

I think there was a wolf on the board yesterday and obviously it wasn't vis, so I still think mkg should be flipped.


It was sparse, but it wasn't naked. I'm not even sure what my wolfy motivations would be from moving off vis to mkg. I'm not even sure what about mkg inspired you to move off of her in the first place.

You were voting for vis at the time so excuse me for interpreting that as her being your top read. And I looked at the post where you switched from vis to mkg.

Okay I think I've decided that I want to

unyeet visc

and

yeet mkg

That is naked imo, and you didn't engage with mkg at all either before or after which is probably the oddest part about it for me.

I don't recall right now who her second ISO was on but the first was alissa and she ended up moving her towards village. I thought prior to that she was reading her wolf or maybe neutral? Would have to look back.

I moved because her tone felt village to me. As I said at the time, maybe I'm a sucker. I don't consider the PM thing out of character given the conversation we had in dead chat last game. In any case that part isn't really coming into play for me because I don't think the role she gave should be enough to sway anyone either way (and yes, samac did tell me what she claimed). It's believable but nothing that couldn't be a cover.

 

[alleycat03]

I'm still a little triggered by cyndia using some exact phrasing to what she used in bioshock when she was catching up and placing vote.

But I know some people will village reading her so would like some more thoughts on that. I think that was @genny and @alleycat03

I am not leaning cyndia village right now. I don’t think she’s posted enough for me to move her out of my POE. See my quotes below. The second one was a response when Z asked me about Cyndia.

Cyndia: She appears to be contributing to the game at a bare minimum. I know she is busy, but I don't think I can move her to village yet.

I'm still not sure how I feel about her, even after getting caught up over the past 22 pages. She feels the exact same as last game when she was wolfing, but I know her busy schedule is NAI. I feel like she is slightly more invested in the thread during this game though. Her posts tonight made me feel a bit better, though not enough to move her out of the POE.

 

[WildZoo]

And I'm not trying to answer for genny or alley, but you were asking about people leaning her village and I thought you might have left me off.

No I appreciate it, I couldn't recall everyone who was reading her village, they were just the two I specifically remembered

 

[alleycat03]

I don't recall right now who her second ISO was on but the first was alissa and she ended up moving her towards village

MKG was going to do an ISO on me (because she kept getting me mixed up with Alissa) but I haven’t seen that ISO yet.

 

[WildZoo]

Her reads from yesterday were on people who have barely been posting and yeah I think it's important to pressure those people and sure quiet people can be wolfing, but they're easy bait for misyeet by wolves who are under fire.

Also wondering how your reads list is any different. Vis, bread, mkg, sunny, stagg. With the exception of sunny (who is still in the bottom half of posters this game), these are all low posters as well.

 

[PippyPony]

Day 3 - Who's Tardy TARDIS - Vote Tally

Dina (1) - Dubz
Bread (2) - mkg, AM
Sunshine (1) - DocE
Cray (1) - samac
MKG (1) - Dina

6/23 players voting
Voting closes in the fUTuRe

 

[Dinashadow]

You were voting for vis at the time so excuse me for interpreting that as her being your top read. And I looked at the post where you switched from vis to mkg.

Okay but you specifically mentioned vis being at the top of the list, not that I was voting for her at the time.

That is naked imo, and you didn't engage with mkg at all either before or after which is probably the oddest part about it for me.

Sorry next time I'll put the vote in with my reads so it's not naked. I said her tone had seemed off this game and that zenge made a compelling case for her.

I don't recall right now who her second ISO was on but the first was alissa and she ended up moving her towards village. I thought prior to that she was reading her wolf or maybe neutral? Would have to look back.

She posted an ISO of the alissa and AM interactions and then at the end gave thoughts on both of them

 

[WildZoo]

@Animal Midwife how are you feeling about mkg today?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Eh, what tipped me off that one game was that her tone felt like.... an impersonation of the ego that AM has. I'm also getting that vibe here. Her fight with me over egos felt faked/forced.

It's not fake or even AI, really. I've just been seeing a pattern over the last few games that's increasingly infuriating me regarding expectations of new players. I've opted not to be a bystander anymore and knock down behaviors I don't like.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife how are you feeling about mkg today?

She's neutral.

 

[Zenge142]

Yeet MKG

What’s changed? All we’ve gotten were a few extra posts and an appeal to emotion that too many people bought into imo.

I’ll update with more when I’ve got time after work. There’s a lot of things she did in her defense I intend to highlight.

I also think, assuming I’m right about MKG. There were multiple wolves on Vis’s wagon, trying to save their little wolf pal.

I think sunshine for example is a good candidate for this. People have commented on how she’s off this game. She is. Where’s her flipping reads list? EVERY game I’ve played with her, she’s been village and has posted her spreadsheet for us to look at and updates it frequently. Instead this game she gives a suspicious excuse for not having it and another appeal to emotion to get people off her case.

I’ve got news for you people: Wolves can use the caps lock key too!

 

[Dinashadow]

Also wondering how your reads list is any different. Vis, bread, mkg, sunny, stagg. With the exception of sunny (who is still in the bottom half of posters this game), these are all low posters as well.

I put other reasons in there besides them being low posters and I'd hardly put vis and sunny in the same bracket as cyndia and bread (which are the two she pointed out). Yesterday her plea was that we yeet someone who wasn't really contributing instead of her.

Like I said easy misyeet bait when it's so close to the end of the cycle.

@Barkley13 @Animal Midwife @Zenge142 @Dinashadow so yall are fine with a vote on someone who is trying to contribute, and would rather yeet me instead of Bread, who hasnt given a single thought of his own, when we are at the end of D2?