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New bandwagon. Lets make this happen
::Lunch shortmayo::

I might have been super hard on them back when it was about removing a bad player giving bad advice (now is a new player who has still yet to bring much to the table) , but at this point they're also been pretty consistently making the worst read of the options.
 
DocEspana said:
New bandwagon. Lets make this happen
::Lunch shortmayo::

I might have been super hard on them back when it was about removing a bad player giving bad advice (now is a new player who has still yet to bring much to the table) , but at this point they're also been pretty consistently making the worst read of the options.
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I thought you left this phase.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I do appreciate your enthusiasm in general. It's refreshing to see things from another lens. Just keeps further pushing you village for me even if I vehemently disagree with some of the conclusions.
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Came across this again while looking for the vote trackers

I'm pretty sure it's not the case but wouldn't it be funny if AM said this to Bob right before she killed him :laugh:
 
DocEspana said:
New bandwagon. Lets make this happen
::Lunch shortmayo::

I might have been super hard on them back when it was about removing a bad player giving bad advice (now is a new player who has still yet to bring much to the table) , but at this point they're also been pretty consistently making the worst read of the options.
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Can you specify which reads you're talking about?
 
samac said:
1. At the time it felt good to rub it in their faces to share the NK protection, in retrospect maybe that was TMI, but I don’t think it hurts us for them to hunt the way to kill me and focus on that. I think I’ve pissed them off at this point, and I’ll take angry wolves any time.
2. You’re right. I should have picked mkg over Visc. Whoops. That was a bad call on my part, but (even though it was fake) mkg role revealed and Visc made the tie. I thought I was picking the better of the 2 and turns out it was wrong. You’re also acting sure you know I picked the wrong person day 1. Know something I don’t?
3. Lol. I just like PMs. I don’t think everyone has to, but it is nice I’m kind of a central person in London for a communication chain. It gives people (including me) a safer place to talk ideas through before on thread. Fortunately, I didn’t pick mkg as one of those safer spaces, but I did buy that she was being absent because she was at the vet with her mare that she told me and her role reveal. I appreciate that you think I could become the philosopher ruler though, 10/10.
4. I shut it down because I know the Pm theory was bunk since I was her only PM partner and said if people thought she may have been killed for a theory or some knowledge she had that it would be on thread. I don’t think I was dismissive at all, I was just pointing out where to look and reminding people that sometimes kills aren’t for any particular reason.

I appreciate you coming at me though, if you are wolf it’s smart to try to get me yeeted because you know you can’t kill me.
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umm apparently what I know that you don't is remembering that you broke the tie and a villager (April) died? LOL. Just like Zenge, thinking you have some "gotcha!" moment when you're incredibly incorrect.
Dinashadow said:
I'd be okay with either a sunny or Finn flip this cycle.

Sunny has seem off to me all game. The whole mkg is a wolf read, but not voting for her is bothering me the most though.

Finn based on her late vis vote and mkg throwing her in her POE yesterday and the reasoning was because of samac's theory. I wouldn't be surprised if mkg had put a packmate in there. She also put stagg in there and I'm still worried about him too.

Sporty's votes also don't look great (Vis and then Bread) and Alissa's doesn't really either and I feel like she was defending mkg a few times.

I feel strongest about sunny though

yeet sunny
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Bro 2 of my early, consistent wolf reads were up for yeet, back and forth. Why would I try to save one wolf read over another? Bread was a wolf read for me just as long. Yes it turned out to be wrong later (AFTER night 3), but at the time I was fine with either one.
Crayola227 said:
But Zenge did sound that way. Genny and others called him out for it.
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oh I agree, and I said so myself.
Crayola227 said:
This is a pretty good point. And anyone trying to pocket Sunny would know by now that voting her at the same time makes that impossible. It might work on someone else but not her.
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yes but maybe LIS wouldn't know that because we only played 1 day together before.
 
sunshinefl said:
umm apparently what I know that you don't is remembering that you broke the tie and a villager (April) died? LOL. Just like Zenge, thinking you have some "gotcha!" moment when you're incredibly incorrect.
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So that’s the only response you have to the whole post?
Sorry, think you misunderstood there. my point is you were using that I took out 2 villagers in ties against me.
Sure day 1 a villager died, but we don’t know if the other was village or wolf. You were acting like day 1 I picked a wolf over a villager. Unless you know something I don’t, that scenario may have been V/V.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Yes, I finished the trackers if that's what you're referring to.
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Can you double check the end of d1? I've been staring at it because the last DocE line has 5 votes and then april has 6.
 
WildZoo said:
Can you specify which reads you're talking about?
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Their actual votes. They've actively dodged around mgk unless I missed something and have actively pushed for people who are now dead villagers. And me. Which I haven't forgotten. They've been particularly bad- which can be said of many people - but I have like 4-5 people in mind I have to get around to getting an autopsy on and I think this is the way I want to proceed forward first since their votes really stick out. Plus almost no one is talking about their voting record. Someone brought it up like 2-3 pages ago and I was hoping people would pounce on it and they all just sort of ignored it.
 
DocEspana said:
Their actual votes. They've actively dodged around mgk unless I missed something and have actively pushed for people who are now dead villagers. And me. Which I haven't forgotten. They've been particularly bad- which can be said of many people - but I have like 4-5 people in mind I have to get around to getting an autopsy on and I think this is the way I want to proceed forward first since their votes really stick out. Plus almost no one is talking about their voting record. Someone brought it up like 2-3 pages ago and I was hoping people would pounce on it and they all just sort of ignored it.
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Quoting myself to state again that this thread is massive and I honestly can miss stuff. So this is "assuming I didn't miss votes by them that contradict this".
 
I can get behind DocE on this vote. His instincts on mkg were good, back when you all thought he was just going after noobs.

Also WZ makes a good case.

#### unyeet Dubz ####

### yeet Mayo ####

I feel my wolf reads this game have been trash. So I'm relying on my village reads more than my wolf reads to help with my wolf reads. Assumes my village reads aren't trash but so far feel like I'm having slightly better luck there. I hope.

Mayo hasn't made me feel any better about Shorty.
 
DocEspana said:
Quoting myself to state again that this thread is massive and I honestly can miss stuff. So this is "assuming I didn't miss votes by them that contradict this".
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Well if you're talking about votes I...don't know how much of a case there is there. supermayo's only votes have been for you, mkg, and finn. One of those is a dead wolf and the other two haven't flipped. Unless you know something about finn that you'd like to share with the rest of the thread.
 
WildZoo said:
Well if you're talking about votes I...don't know how much of a case there is there. supermayo's only votes have been for you, mkg, and finn. One of those is a dead wolf and the other two haven't flipped. Unless you know something about finn that you'd like to share with the rest of the thread.
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No. I saw the reaction I wanted to see. Namely both you and crayola.

It KILLS me to do this and maybe I'm being too paranoid. But crayola does have a point. Her wolf hunting has been bad. And that's because my wolf hunting has been so so and I'm not following through on my suspicions. Here is the reality. I can't read Crayola. Never could. And she honestly does seem to respect me as a layer and like me as a player. Past games have been the same way.

But never THIS much. Maybe she seems villager because I'm villager and she is just climbing onto whatever I say. What has she brought to the table this game? Backed me up a lot. Comments on bad play by villagers (something even as a wolf I'd be happy to tell them they suck). And made some really bad votes. Was on mgk but only after being on everyone else that round and literally switching her vote last minute.

Maybe I'm paranoid and hurting the person closest to me. And know I apologize for this crayola..... But I had to know.

I purposely made a bad read at the top of this page to see who would be onboard. And you jumped right into it. I don't know why id want to lynch mayo. I guess they're not playing a lot. I guess I didn't get along with shorty and she made some bad reads. But also.... Like... They're doing as fine as someone who doesn't post much can do (this isn't a ringing endorsement. It's just not an indictment either). But crayola was on board immediately. I also wanted to make sure WZ was skeptical. Because your play has been ehhhh. Which can be forgiven if you're willing to call me out on a correctly bad read.

So....
 
DocEspana said:
No. I saw the reaction I wanted to see. Namely both you and crayola.

It KILLS me to do this and maybe I'm being too paranoid. But crayola does have a point. Her wolf hunting has been bad. And that's because my wolf hunting has been so so and I'm not following through on my suspicions. Here is the reality. I can't read Crayola. Never could. And she honestly does seem to respect me as a layer and like me as a player. Past games have been the same way.

But never THIS much. Maybe she seems villager because I'm villager and she is just climbing onto whatever I say. What has she brought to the table this game? Backed me up a lot. Comments on bad play by villagers (something even as a wolf I'd be happy to tell them they suck). And made some really bad votes. Was on mgk but only after being on everyone else that round and literally switching her vote last minute.

Maybe I'm paranoid and hurting the person closest to me. And know I apologize for this crayola..... But I had to know.

I purposely made a bad read at the top of this page to see who would be onboard. And you jumped right into it. I don't know why id want to lynch mayo. I guess they're not playing a lot. I guess I didn't get along with shorty and she made some bad reads. But also.... Like... They're doing as fine as someone who doesn't post much can do (this isn't a ringing endorsement. It's just not an indictment either). But crayola was on board immediately. I also wanted to make sure WZ was skeptical. Because your play has been ehhhh. Which can be forgiven if you're willing to call me out on a correctly bad read.

So....
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###unlynch mayo###
###lynch crayola###

And please I hope I'm just being paranoid. And please forgive me crayola. It's just business, not personal.
 
Animal Midwife said:
You're really calling the choice stupid when you were literally trying to initiate a flash wagon on Zenge near EOD last cycle?

I will always say you're wrong about vigs in general though.

Source: the first wolf game you lost this year
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Since I'd been on his vote all day, there was nothing flash about that wagon to me. And I asked genny to come back to her vote. Hardly the makings of a flash wagon.
 
DocEspana said:
No. I saw the reaction I wanted to see. Namely both you and crayola.

It KILLS me to do this and maybe I'm being too paranoid. But crayola does have a point. Her wolf hunting has been bad. And that's because my wolf hunting has been so so and I'm not following through on my suspicions. Here is the reality. I can't read Crayola. Never could. And she honestly does seem to respect me as a layer and like me as a player. Past games have been the same way.

But never THIS much. Maybe she seems villager because I'm villager and she is just climbing onto whatever I say. What has she brought to the table this game? Backed me up a lot. Comments on bad play by villagers (something even as a wolf I'd be happy to tell them they suck). And made some really bad votes. Was on mgk but only after being on everyone else that round and literally switching her vote last minute.

Maybe I'm paranoid and hurting the person closest to me. And know I apologize for this crayola..... But I had to know.

I purposely made a bad read at the top of this page to see who would be onboard. And you jumped right into it. I don't know why id want to lynch mayo. I guess they're not playing a lot. I guess I didn't get along with shorty and she made some bad reads. But also.... Like... They're doing as fine as someone who doesn't post much can do (this isn't a ringing endorsement. It's just not an indictment either). But crayola was on board immediately. I also wanted to make sure WZ was skeptical. Because your play has been ehhhh. Which can be forgiven if you're willing to call me out on a correctly bad read.

So....
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Yeah I really don't get your little reaction test here.

I don't think mayo is doing great and I was willing to move there off Dubz.

But whatever dude. I already made my case that I have hardly been doing mkg any favors.

Explain to me why mayo is a bad read, besides the fact you say you made it up to test me.
 
DocEspana said:
No. I saw the reaction I wanted to see. Namely both you and crayola.

It KILLS me to do this and maybe I'm being too paranoid. But crayola does have a point. Her wolf hunting has been bad. And that's because my wolf hunting has been so so and I'm not following through on my suspicions. Here is the reality. I can't read Crayola. Never could. And she honestly does seem to respect me as a layer and like me as a player. Past games have been the same way.

But never THIS much. Maybe she seems villager because I'm villager and she is just climbing onto whatever I say. What has she brought to the table this game? Backed me up a lot. Comments on bad play by villagers (something even as a wolf I'd be happy to tell them they suck). And made some really bad votes. Was on mgk but only after being on everyone else that round and literally switching her vote last minute.

Maybe I'm paranoid and hurting the person closest to me. And know I apologize for this crayola..... But I had to know.

I purposely made a bad read at the top of this page to see who would be onboard. And you jumped right into it. I don't know why id want to lynch mayo. I guess they're not playing a lot. I guess I didn't get along with shorty and she made some bad reads. But also.... Like... They're doing as fine as someone who doesn't post much can do (this isn't a ringing endorsement. It's just not an indictment either). But crayola was on board immediately. I also wanted to make sure WZ was skeptical. Because your play has been ehhhh. Which can be forgiven if you're willing to call me out on a correctly bad read.

So....
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Ah. This is the DocE I know and tolerate 😉
 
Crayola227 said:
Since I'd been on his vote all day, there was nothing flash about that wagon to me. And I asked genny to come back to her vote. Hardly the makings of a flash wagon.
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You were sitting there all day, yes. The thing is I said initiate a flashwagon.

26 minutes to EOD with a Vis/mkg tie you said:
Crayola227 said:
It's not too late to vote Zenge.
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Animal Midwife said:
You were sitting there all day, yes. The thing is I said initiate a flashwagon.

26 minutes to EOD with a Vis/mkg tie you said:
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DocEspana said:
This post is from 7 minutes before round close when MGK was up for lynch.
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Add my comment to yours for an even more robust timeline of "not lynching mkg"
 
WildZoo said:
Ah. This is the DocE I know and tolerate 😉
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Like riding a bike.

But the bike is on fire and I'm blindfolded and the handle bars just came off.

I remember how to do it but I'm also probably not up to the challenge anymore, if in being honest. But I can still do some crazy **** like this by muscle memory.
 
Hi I haven't read most of the thread but I did see Barks' VCA thing and thought I would post one with every (final) tally

Prime Minister Tally

SAR - Dubz, SAR, April, AM, vetmedhead, zenge, samac, supershorty, finn
Ms P - Ms P, barkley, genny
Samac - mkg323, Telemarketing, bread
Shorty - dina, sporty
DocE - DocE, viscernable, crayola, alissa, cyndia, LIS, sunshine
capri1722 - capri1722

Absent: alley, stagg, bob

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Prime Minister Prime Tally

Samac - Zenge, crayola, shorty, samac, telemarketing, mkg, cyndia, doc e, sar, finn
Ms P - sunshine, genny, barkley, AM, ms p, capri, dubz

Visc voted Samac after vote close

Absent: bread, alissa, alley, LIS, april, visc, vmh, stagg, dina, bob, sporty

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Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (3) - alissa, TME, SAR
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (2) - finn, capri
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
DocE (6) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty, mkg
April (6) - Dubz, MsP, samac, Bread, DocE, Visc
Shorty (1) - stagg
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw
sunshine (3) - LIS, VMH, Barks
MKG () -
Stagg (1) - AM
samac () -
Visc (1) - Cyndia
SAR (1) - Sporty

Cray switched from Zenge to April after vote close

Absent: none

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Day Two - Keep Calm and WW On - Vote Tally

AM (1) - bobloblaw
Alissa (1) - stagg
Zenge (1) - Cray
Bobloblaw (1) - Ms P
Viscernable (7) - cyndia, capri, sunshine, sporty, mkg, samac, finn
Sunshine (1) - LIS
DocEspana (1) - Mayo
Dina (1) - dubz
Finn (2) - genny, alley
MKG (7) - barks, zenge, AM, dina, bread, DocE, visc
Capri (1) - alissa

Absent: shorty

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Day 3 - Am I Sitting in a Tin Can - Vote Tally

Bread (6) - mkg, AM, sporty, dubz, Ms P, alissa
Sunshine (2) - DocE, LIS
MKG (7) - Dina, capri, barks, Stagg, Cyndia, mayo, crayola
Barks (1) - Bobloblaw
Finn (3) - samac, alley, genny
LIS (1) - Sunshine
Capri (1) - Finn

Absent: bread
 
Crayola227 said:
Yeah I really don't get your little reaction test here.

I don't think mayo is doing great and I was willing to move there off Dubz.

But whatever dude. I already made my case that I have hardly been doing mkg any favors.

Explain to me why mayo is a bad read, besides the fact you say you made it up to test me.
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You didn't even want to check that what he was saying was true though? Like, you just jumped over there without even questioning what villagers mayo had been voting for.
 
WildZoo said:
You didn't even want to check that what he was saying was true though? Like, you just jumped over there without even questioning what villagers mayo had been voting for.
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I told you, I haven't felt good about mayo through any of it. I thought as well it was a DocE reaction test but clearly not what I expected.
 
I had a question for you, but now it will have to wait until later.

You're my most solid village read right now. I will do whatever you say and vote whatever you do.
 
Crayola227 said:
I had a question for you, but now it will have to wait until later.

You're my most solid village read right now. I will do whatever you say and vote whatever you do.
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Well, that's probably a bad idea, given that I read Zenge as wolfy and mkg as village.
Why does your question have to wait?
 
WildZoo said:
So your reaction to DocE's reaction test was a reaction test :thinking:
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I wanted to support whatever he was doing because his instinct was good on mkg. I considered if he was a wolf, but I doubted he was gonna start a flash wagon on shorty. I thought it might be elucidating and I might be one of a few to put some weight behind DocE's test here.

I don't give myself credit for coming up with reaction tests, but sometimes I'll follow someone's lead.
 
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