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Just being objective:
I would say that JPP ran into trouble when he was told to write "unfiltered." He was goaded into posting with no tact. His writing became more erratic and volatile. I like the informative stuff the guy wrote as he contributed a lot of great material, just didn't care for some of the more recent things....and I eventually 'ignored' him.

When all else fails while arguing on an internet forum, start criticizing grammar.

Some folks come off as arrogant on this board, but some don't.

Some folks let their "emotions" get the best of them, and when emotions get involved in a scuffle, it is time to check out, b/c you will not get through to this type of person.

DP356,

To set the record straight, I was the one who told JPP to write unfiltered. In regard to fiction and screenwriting and creative writing. That is the precise advice he was referring to. Whether or not he applied that to SDN, as this is a forum for him to express not only clinical information, but his prose and style etc, is up to him. So, in his defense, and my own, nobody was "goaded" into posting with no tact.The advice I gave him as a writer goes for everyone who wants to write a play, novel, tv show, movie, poem, etc. You have to START unfiltered, and then you edit yourself. It is one method, and I would suggest it again and again to new writers. Our conversation about his writing that night has nothing, really, to do with him being banned. You'll have to trust me on this one. 👍

D712

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Well if it isn't his conscious approach to writing, SOMETHING has changed. Just went back and read his private practice thread that was stickied. SUPER helpful, calm but not passive, rational (and this is with a blowup between MilMD and a resident taking place).

Maybe it's like others have said. Maybe you eventually just reach a point in life/practice and on the forum where you're not getting the same challenge/stimulation/utility out of the forum.
 
Well if it isn't his conscious approach to writing, SOMETHING has changed. Just went back and read his private practice thread that was stickied. SUPER helpful, calm but not passive, rational (and this is with a blowup between MilMD and a resident taking place).

Maybe it's like others have said. Maybe you eventually just reach a point in life/practice and on the forum where you're not getting the same challenge/stimulation/utility out of the forum.

Your view sounds logical but it's more the attitude of people on this site lately that made his posts change. In the past there were some riffs but they were always between the same members. Usually MilMD and someone else. 😉. But the difference was that people defended themselves, fought tooth and nail, and then moved on. The squabbles aren't that different now except that the players are different. For example, how can a med stud argue with such confidence about being an employed physician vs PP? How can a resident argue that there is no reason to do a partnership tract? How can someone that hasn't finished their training argue so intensely with someone that has been practicing for over 10 yrs on how to do a complicated case? In all of these examples you can make your point but you must understand that experience is huge here.

The arguing is fine. We have done it forever on this site. Its what brings some of us around. But the name calling and all the people getting their feelings hurt around here then complaining to the mods that makes this hard to swallow. This is a doctors forum. It doesn't matter if you are a doctor in training, doctor to be, or a old fart running out of gas. The others are just guests. And some of these guests are stars as well, JWK, Trinity! But a newly minted AA, well sit back, ask questions, read everything and learn what you can. Don't start fights cuz it won't work in your favor. Also, I am a representative for my state society. I am fighting for liscensure of AA's in my state and I gotta say, if AA students are going to act like this then I may change my mind. The idea of an AA practicing anesthesia is that they are an extension of the anesthesiologist. Unlike the nurses who feel they can replace the doctor, AA's are taught to work with the doctor. This recent interaction I had with this naive AA has got me thinking seriously. And this will make things more difficult for me to argue in favor of the AA's when my colleagues say they don't want or trust them. I may have to agree with the nay sayers.

So here's the deal as I see it. If you're on this site to learn, then participate. Because when you participate people learn who you are and will start to give you more respect and the benefit of the doubt. But if you can't participate without getting worked up and having your feelings hurt then just read. The long time posters on here are not here for our benefit. It's more for our entertainment and to educate when we can. If you disagree, say so. But don't start a flame war. If the other poster starts one, just let it go, take the higher ground.

I know I'm sounding like the vets here know it all but for your information there is quite a lot to learn in this field. We are all still learning. But to start a flame war with someone like that is more times than not going to get you burned.

PS: WLG I'm not taking directly to you here.
 
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Your view sounds logical but it's more the attitude of people on this site lately that made his posts change. In the past there were some riffs but they were always between the same members. Usually MilMD and someone else. 😉. But the difference was that people defended themselves, fought tooth and nail, and then moved on. The squabbles aren't that different now except that the players are different. For example, how can a med stud argue with such confidence about being an employed physician vs PP? How can a resident argue that there is no reason to do a partnership tract? How can someone that hasn't finished their training argue so intensely with someone that has been practicing for over 10 yrs on how to do a complicated case? In all of these examples you can make your point but you must understand that experience is huge here.

The arguing is fine. We have done it forever on this site. Its what brings some of us around. But the name calling and all the people getting their feelings hurt around here then complaining to the mods that makes this hard to swallow. This is a doctors forum. It doesn't matter if you are a doctor in training, doctor to be, or a old fart running out of gas. The others are just guests. And some of these guests are stars as well, JWK, Trinity! But a newly minted AA, well sit back, ask questions, read everything and learn what you can. Don't start fights cuz it won't work in your favor. Also, I am a representative for my state society. I am fighting for liscensure of AA's in my state and I gotta say, if AA students are going to act like this then I may change my mind. The idea of an AA practicing anesthesia is that they are an extension of the anesthesiologist. Unlike the nurses who feel they can replace the doctor, AA's are taught to work with the doctor. This recent interaction I had with this naive AA has got me thinking seriously. And this will make things more difficult for me to argue in favor of the AA's when my colleagues say they don't want or trust them. I may have to agree with the nay sayers.

So here's the deal as I see it. If you're on this site to learn, then participate. Because when you participate people learn who you are and will start to give you more respect and the benefit of the doubt. But if you can't participate without getting worked up and having your feelings hurt then just read. The long time posters on here are not here for our benefit. It's more for our entertainment and to educate when we can. If you disagree, say so. But don't start a flame war. If the other poster starts one, just let it go, take the higher ground.

I know I'm sounding like the vets here know it all but for your information there is quite a lot to learn in this field. We are all still learning. But to start a flame war with someone like that is more times than not going to get you burned.

PS: WLG I'm not taking directly to you here.

All very wise points. However, even the experienced posters on here should be respectful enough to not be the internet tough guy running roughshod over everyone just for the sake of their own entertainment. I think that was what got everyone a bit riled up. Jet is a strong personality and can be entertaining and informative. That does not seem to have been his intent as of late (granted, I cannot judge intent, only perceptions). I think it got old with some people here. I personally hope he returns.
 
you all sound like girls from facebook... geez... no wonder it is so easy to employ you guys in AMCs or make you sign employment agreements LOL

Your view sounds logical but it's more the attitude of people on this site lately that made his posts change. In the past there were some riffs but they were always between the same members. Usually MilMD and someone else. 😉. But the difference was that people defended themselves, fought tooth and nail, and then moved on. The squabbles aren't that different now except that the players are different. For example, how can a med stud argue with such confidence about being an employed physician vs PP? How can a resident argue that there is no reason to do a partnership tract? How can someone that hasn't finished their training argue so intensely with someone that has been practicing for over 10 yrs on how to do a complicated case? In all of these examples you can make your point but you must understand that experience is huge here.

The arguing is fine. We have done it forever on this site. Its what brings some of us around. But the name calling and all the people getting their feelings hurt around here then complaining to the mods that makes this hard to swallow. This is a doctors forum. It doesn't matter if you are a doctor in training, doctor to be, or a old fart running out of gas. The others are just guests. And some of these guests are stars as well, JWK, Trinity! But a newly minted AA, well sit back, ask questions, read everything and learn what you can. Don't start fights cuz it won't work in your favor. Also, I am a representative for my state society. I am fighting for liscensure of AA's in my state and I gotta say, if AA students are going to act like this then I may change my mind. The idea of an AA practicing anesthesia is that they are an extension of the anesthesiologist. Unlike the nurses who feel they can replace the doctor, AA's are taught to work with the doctor. This recent interaction I had with this naive AA has got me thinking seriously. And this will make things more difficult for me to argue in favor of the AA's when my colleagues say they don't want or trust them. I may have to agree with the nay sayers.

So here's the deal as I see it. If you're on this site to learn, then participate. Because when you participate people learn who you are and will start to give you more respect and the benefit of the doubt. But if you can't participate without getting worked up and having your feelings hurt then just read. The long time posters on here are not here for our benefit. It's more for our entertainment and to educate when we can. If you disagree, say so. But don't start a flame war. If the other poster starts one, just let it go, take the higher ground.

I know I'm sounding like the vets here know it all but for your information there is quite a lot to learn in this field. We are all still learning. But to start a flame war with someone like that is more times than not going to get you burned.

PS: WLG I'm not taking directly to you here.

Even if you were, it's not like anything you said was offensive. Personally, I try to keep my online persona more or less the same as my real-life persona. Partly because I'm pretty sure you could figure out who I am if you wanted to, but also because it doesn't really serve me any purpose to do otherwise. I'm sure other people revel in the anonymity and relish the opportunity to play a different role from their real-life one by stirring the pot and antagonizing people, and that's their right.

I think it would behoove everyone to put aside the dog-eat-dog nature medicine instills in all of us and recognize that we all have at least one common interest. Doesn't mean we have to sit around and sing Kumbaya, because arguments/disagreements/fights happen. But there's a way to handle it professionally (and this is coming from someone who HATES that word with an unbridled passion) and respectfully.
 
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