Extremely immature classmates...

[Clair de Lune]

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OK this is my first time to post so please be nice 🙂 I just wanted to get some opinions on the issue of immature classmates. I am one of the youngest people in my class, but it seems like there is a large percentage of people in it that are still stuck at middle school/high school maturity levels. Rumors are constantly spreading, people go out get wasted & make complete idiots of themselves, and if they even bother to show up to class they are loud, disruptive, and just outright rude--it's very embarassing when you even hear the faculty making remarks about it. Granted, this is a minority of the class--but I guess I'm just amazed that these people are going to be doctors--and that people are actually going to trust them with their health problems. I know I wouldn't refer any of my future patients to people like that. I don't know--maybe they are making up for all those nights in college when they were home studying instead of going out & having a good time, or maybe I'm just really sick of being stuck in class with the same people every day. Anyway, I guess I was just wondering if anyone else ever feels like this, and if you think these sort of people are going to grow up & actually turn out to be decent doctors. All right--guess that's enough venting for now--thanks to anyone who has actually had the patience to read through this whole thing!

 

[doc05]

maybe you should take that stick out of your *** and lighten up.

If your attitude persists, people won't want to work with you.

 

[beanbean]

Actually, I have been really amazed by how great my classmates are. I expected to meet a lot of fantastic people, but I figured there would be a few I didn't quite enjoy the company of. Although I don't know all of my classmates well, I haven't met anyone that I don't like. People are nice, they are supportive of each other, and they are fun to be around.

Sorry you seem to have some classmates that don't know how to separate their social time from class time. Having some jun and joking around is one thing, but boorish, rude behavior is embarrassing. Don't sweat it - they are ony making themselves look like fools and you can't control how they act. Don't take other people's inventory; its a waste of time and energy.

 

[SilverAngel1110]

unfortunately one of the downsides of being in med school is that some people do seem to revert back to their high school days... perhaps it's just a function of the class size being so small... i mean, gossip travels faster than you can imagine and cliques abound, not to mention the random hook-ups left and right. so, you're not alone in feeling frustrated...

but one of the things i've realized over the course of this year is that it's important to put your blinders on and do what you need to do, regardless of what's going on around you. like it or not, people are going to act however they want, and you need to move ahead and act in the way you deem best, without concerning yourself with other people's actions. unfortunately, you're never going to like everyone around you, nor will you always agree with their choices. so, acknowledge that the way they act is not the way you would have acted yourself and move on.

and my best piece of advice, try to find people to hang out with outside of med school. because the atmosphere can get really stagnant after a while of seeing only the same people day after day after day...

hope this helps some. 😎

 

[Daiphon]

Clair -

You wouldn't happen to be at the U of Il - Champaign school, would you? My M1, being in the middle of a college town with absofreakinglutely nothing to do other than drink, was spent thinking the exact same thing... but then again, I was one of the immature people at times... 🙂

Keeping in mind that most school's m1's are typically still like undergrad college (lots of lecture, only the courses are slightly different), they tend to be "transition"-like IMHO.

Once my classmates and I got to M2, however, and got to start seeing patients, people started to mellow as their priorities changed.

All that said, I agree somewhat with doc05's sentiment (if not his word choice)... med school is rough, and perhaps you (being younger) are just feeling left out... embrace the "work hard, play hard" mentality and all will be fine...

my $.02,
-tim

 

[aphistis]

You might have been stuck with a disproportionate number of childish students, or it might be your imagination. Either way, you're still stuck working with them. I'd advise finding a small nucleus of people you can enjoy being around, and if you can't befriend the rest of your class, at least don't alienate them all.

 

[KyGrlDr2B]

I agree with another poster about things settling down as you get farther along. I think my class was rowdy when we first began and when I look at the current 1st years I think they are so loud and obnoxious. Once you start seeing more patients, get a little more responsibility, and have less free time 😉 , things change a little. Granted, we still like to have fun and joke around, but I think as a whole we aren't like we used to be. Don't worry about it. 🙂

 

[Clair de Lune]

Maybe I should elaborate on this just a little--I am not against going out and having a good time. Lord knows I did a TON of it in undergrad, and all through the first semester of M1 (hence my not-so-stellar grades first semester). But we're M2's now--about to take the boards soon--it just seems that we (meaning myself & my classmates) should at least act our age most of the time. I think most people know what they are getting themselves into when they apply for med school. And the main reason I was venting on this thing is because I don't want to alienate any of my friends & other classmates--and my old college friends don't understand since none of them are in med school. I don't know I guess I thought ya'll could offer some insight--and I thank those that did. It's just that I know of at least 4 people who would do anything to get into med school--reapplying year after year--yet there are several people in my class who have zero respect for their position & completely take it for granted. It's just weird to be forced to interact with these people who, if given the option, I would probably have never hung out with in the first place--but I guess that's a big part of medicine, learning how to deal with different personalities. Well thanks for the advice ya'll--it's good to know I'm not the only person who feels like this sometimes.

 

[deleted36260]

Originally posted by Clair de Lune
It's just weird to be forced to interact with these people who, if given the option, I would probably have never hung out with in the first place--but I guess that's a big part of medicine, learning how to deal with different personalities.

Welcome to LIFE, not medicine.

 

[Goober]

It really doesn't matter what other people are doing anyhow does it? So what if somebody got drunk last night or if this person was seen partying before a test. If they can't handle the work they will fail out.

A lot of people pretend that they don't care about grades and are partying out during the week but are actually studying their asses off. You really can't cram for med school like you did for undergrad so your perception may not be reality. Everything is magnified in med school because the classes are so small. That is why it seems like high school. You have cliques with the jocks, nerds, militant fems, asians, URMs, ect. Everybody knows everything about everybody. That coupled with the high stress enviroment makes med school highly arse-sucking in some ways.

In terms of my educational experience and enjoyment

Fellowship>residency>Undergrad>High school and Med school tie


😎

 

[maugham]

Medical students tend to be emotionally immature compared to their chronological peers. Something about the narrowness of the pre-med focus cuts them from the the broadening effects usually conferred by a college education. But young people in general today seem to be in post-adolescence until sometime in their mid twenties. I commiserate with the original poster, and can only say things will get better once your training puts you into more contact with actual adults.

 

[Blade28]

Originally posted by maugham
Medical students tend to be emotionally immature compared to their chronological peers. Something about the narrowness of the pre-med focus cuts them from the the broadening effects usually conferred by a college education.

Well, it may also be the choice of destressing for select students. Also depends on the makeup of the class, i.e. is your class relatively young (majority of people in their early 20s?) or not?

 

[huktonfonix]

AS long as they can separate their personal and professional lives and behavior it is their choice to act as they choose outside of school. I do agree that the in class behavior is unprofessional though. I still like to go out and make an ass out of myself once in a while, but I don't think it should reflect on how my classmates see me and frankly it doesn't matter if it does. If I'm working my butt off for 6 days out of the week I want to be able to have fun without being judged. Having said that many of these people will mature more once they hit 3rd year probably due to increased responsibiltiy and less time to go out.

 

[Stinger86]

I had a similar experience my first year, but everyone really seemed to mellow out during second year. There are still people who sit at the back corner of our lecture hall, talking and cracking jokes while the professor is speaking, but for the most part, everyone is much better. Perhaps it has something to do with working hard to get into med school, and then once some people are in, they regress to an earlier age. 😀 Who knows.

As for what you can do about it, just go to class (or don't, and study at home), go to clinic, do the work, pass your boards, get the MD, and then you can do whatever you want in a residency program that fits you.

 

[uclacrewdude]

Originally posted by Clair de Lune
Maybe I should elaborate on this just a little--I am not against going out and having a good time. Lord knows I did a TON of it in undergrad, and all through the first semester of M1 (hence my not-so-stellar grades first semester). But we're M2's now--about to take the boards soon--it just seems that we (meaning myself & my classmates) should at least act our age most of the time. I think most people know what they are getting themselves into when they apply for med school. And the main reason I was venting on this thing is because I don't want to alienate any of my friends & other classmates--and my old college friends don't understand since none of them are in med school. I don't know I guess I thought ya'll could offer some insight--and I thank those that did. It's just that I know of at least 4 people who would do anything to get into med school--reapplying year after year--yet there are several people in my class who have zero respect for their position & completely take it for granted. It's just weird to be forced to interact with these people who, if given the option, I would probably have never hung out with in the first place--but I guess that's a big part of medicine, learning how to deal with different personalities. Well thanks for the advice ya'll--it's good to know I'm not the only person who feels like this sometimes.

i agree with phatmonkey here. at the white coat ceremony, my dean said, "medicine is what you do, not who you are." im one of the biggest jerks in my class, but i can get the **** done with patients, who are astounded that someone so young (and even younger looking) can handle & talk to them so well.

 

[labangel]

Hey Clair de Lune, just wanted to say I agree with you...at times, the immaturity level drives me nuts...I'd have to agree a previous post that said it probably relates to the avg age of the class. As an older student, I've gotten past the getting wasted as an outlet. I just think that it's not the healthiest way to relax...especially in a profession that has a VERY high rate of alcohol and drug abuse. Bad pattern to set up, ya' know? Before I get attacked, I know not everyone ends up as an alcoholic that goes out every weekend, but if that's the only way you have fun, it's a bad thing. But, I'll give you an example of immaturity that happened at my school: we had an exam in the morning, and we were scheduled to start a new class in the afternoon, with a speaker from the community. So many people in the class went out at lunchtime and had way too many drinks...the room smelled like alcohol and people were incredibly loud and would not settle down. It was completely disrespectful and embarrassing. Someone with any sense at all would have waited until after class at 5 to get trashed.

Anway, guys, lay off a little, everyone has the right to vent...especially about something you have no other way to talk about.

 

[carrigallen]

Originally posted by maugham
Medical students tend to be emotionally immature compared to their chronological peers. Something about the narrowness of the pre-med focus cuts them from the the broadening effects usually conferred by a college education. But young people in general today seem to be in post-adolescence until sometime in their mid twenties.

I agree with this statement, especially the broadening effects. At the same time, I have also discovered hidden aspects of my classmates which add depth to their character. It is often unpredictable. Certainly though, I think that many medical students tend to lack perspective as adults. Perspective on issues such as death & dying, integrity, and patience tend to be less developed. This cannot be blamed though, it is natural.

 

[Smoke This]

Originally posted by labangel
But, I'll give you an example of immaturity that happened at my school: we had an exam in the morning, and we were scheduled to start a new class in the afternoon, with a speaker from the community. So many people in the class went out at lunchtime and had way too many drinks...the room smelled like alcohol and people were incredibly loud and would not settle down. It was completely disrespectful and embarrassing. Someone with any sense at all would have waited until after class at 5 to get trashed.

Sounds like my school. After the first anatomy exam virtually everyone immediately got rip-roaring drunk, and about half of them staggered back for our afternoon classes. It was a disgraceful scene, with people kicking back half finished beers in the middle of class and some jackasses in the back mixing drinks. The increased workload of second year has mellowed out some of the outrageous and excessive drinking behavior, but my classmates remain as irresponsible as ever. I really wonder about some of these people.

 

[stomper627]

Do you really feel this is just the case of medicine or in society as a whole? If those that were drinking/mixing drinks got caught what do you think would have happened? Remember, we live a society where its "someone elses fault if I screwed up".
Me, I could care less about what others do on their own time. If people want to drink, smoke pot, roll E, snort coke, shoot heroin, engage in S&M, etc, fine....let them. As long as they can show up to work every morning sober.
As far as you complaining about them? Are you Mother Teresa? Even she sinned. Grow up.
stomper

 

[Smoke This]

Originally posted by stomper627
Do you really feel this is just the case of medicine or in society as a whole? If those that were drinking/mixing drinks got caught what do you think would have happened? Remember, we live a society where its "someone elses fault if I screwed up".
Me, I could care less about what others do on their own time. If people want to drink, smoke pot, roll E, snort coke, shoot heroin, engage in S&M, etc, fine....let them. As long as they can show up to work every morning sober.
As far as you complaining about them? Are you Mother Teresa? Even she sinned. Grow up.
stomper

I don't follow your line of reasoning there, but I'm not entirely sure there's a point anyway. Sounds like something we learned about in psych called "tangential speech."

I think all you've really established is that you have low moral standards. You don't like what I have to say? That's too bad. Society has higher standards for medicine than what my classmates exhibit and what you defend.

 

[Da Vinci2]

There will be immature people in every group. And the funny thing is, they don't even know it. Best to ignore them and save yourself some needless agitation. I am doing it, and my life is immensely better once I tuned out those people. Just concentrate on what you do, be aloof.

 

[stomper627]

Actually I have morals. They are my morals, I live a clean, healthy lifestyle and I do not engage in such activities as those listed. My point is that you cant change what others do. People will do it regardless. Fine. Let them. If they screw up, it is their fault. Not yours (although in todays world we like to blame others for the "bad" things in our lives).
Da Vinci is right on when speaking about tuning those people out. I do it with the *****s....I also do it with the moral/bible thumpers. Makes life much happier. Makes you more tolerant and less judgemental too.

stomper

 

[labangel]

It's not about being judgmental....it's about people being professional. People can do whatever the heck they want on their own time, but when they are in school, the hospital, etc. they need to realize that they are not only representing themselves, but their profession, their school, and their colleagues. And, come on, you know that other people's behavior does reflect how faculty will see you...med students tend to be all lumped together. I don't know about you guys school's, but we can get written up for some of these behaviors, if they're done in the presence of a faculty member or even fellow student and its reported (which has happened to people).

 

[MasterintuBater]

Originally posted by Smoke This
Society has higher standards for medicine than what my classmates exhibit and what you defend.

I think it's you that has the high standards. FYI Drinking does not equal immaturity. I've gone out and gotten wasted with many a respected attending. And somehow, we are able to muster just enough maturity not to let it affect our professional lives. Some of the drunkest drunkards in my class the first couple of years are kicking a$$ now and rockin like champs. The only difference between you and them is that they probably had a little crazy kind of fun along the way. Don't be so judgmental. Do your thing and let everyone else do theirs. Learn to get along with everyone. If someone screws up because of their lifestyle, it's their a$$, not yours. Studying fosters drinking for some. It is a fact of life. Don't worry, your peers will mature when the situation demands it without surrogate classmate-mothers.

 

[Smoke This]

Originally posted by MasterintuBater
I've gone out and gotten wasted with many a respected attending

Well, that right there speaks for itself.

If you want me to say I'm wrong, I'm not going to. I think grossly irresponsible behaviors are inappropriate for medicine, and you'd be hard-pressed to find any thinking person who disagrees. What would the public think if they knew how much drinking and irresponsibility there is in medical school? I use that only as an example, but there are many others that I could have used that don't involve substance abuse.

Sorry for being so blunt about it, but that's the way I feel.

 

[aphistis]

Originally posted by Smoke This
Well, that right there speaks for itself.

If you want me to say I'm wrong, I'm not going to. I think grossly irresponsible behaviors are inappropriate for medicine, and you'd be hard-pressed to find any thinking person who disagrees. What would the public think if they knew how much drinking and irresponsibility there is in medical school? I use that only as an example, but there are many others that I could have used that don't involve substance abuse.

Sorry for being so blunt about it, but that's the way I feel.

I still think you're taking yourself, and the whole noble quest of medicine, way too seriously and inflexibly, "and you'd be hard-pressed to find any thinking person who disagrees." If you polled the public about the kind of physician most will prefer, either a normal human being who goes to work and then goes out for dinner or drinks afterward, or someone like yourself who spawns elitist diatribe like this in apparent pursuit of sainthood, they'll pick the doctor who knows what he's doing, but to whom they can relate, every single time.

Good luck learning bedside manner; you're going to need it.

 

[piu]

Perhaps you should learn to seperate your professional life from your personal life ? I dun see how getting pissed drunk and behaving like an ass out of work affects how you function at work at all. Being a doc is just another job, face it, if you're happy to dedicate your life to your job, good for you but hey let the others who know the difference between professional and personal time do as they please. and anyway med school is just school in the end... grades matter the most.

 

[Smoke This]

Originally posted by aphistis
spawns elitist diatribe

Nice malapropism there. That does a lot for you.

Oh man, this is getting pretty silly. All this started because I posted one little story about my classmates behaving badly, and you guys are coming out of nowhere trying to put words in my mouth and shouting me down. I never said that I'm trying to enforce morality in my class, or that I feel responsible for my classmates' actions. If their actions reflect poorly on anyone, it's themselves and the school. All I'm saying is that I don't think the sort of behaviors that my classmates displayed in that instance are commensurate with the maturity and high moral standards that should go along with medicine. I really can't understand why anyone would think it's okay for your doctor to be a functional drunk. Are you kidding me? Would you send someone you care about to a doctor like that? If you say yes, you're either picturing yourself, or not thinking very hard about it.

Then we have this fellow here who suggests that patients would rather see a doctor they can relate to by going out for drinks together. That's ridiculous! How can a first year dental student purport to know anything about the practice of medicine, and then have the insolence to lecture me on bedside manner?! How dare you!

 

[HamOnWholeWheat]

Originally posted by Smoke This

How can a first year dental student purport to know anything about the practice of medicine, and then have the insolence to lecture me on bedside manner?! How dare you!

I was with you until this last bit. Are you still wondering why people think you sound elitist?

 

[MasterintuBater]

I really can't understand why anyone would think it's okay for your doctor to be a functional drunk. Are you kidding me? Would you send someone you care about to a doctor like that? [/B]

Again, with the drinking and correlating it with immaturity/unprofessionalism? You need to crawl out of the closet you have been living in your whole life. It is possible to go out and party and have a good time and not be a "functional drunk" as you say. Here are some "functional drunks" for you: Winston Churhchill, Jack London, Babe Ruth, Ernest Hemingway (didn't know your signature line contained a quote from one of the biggest drunks of all time, heh?). These guys must be total immature losers in your book.

 

[absolutezero]

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[Clair de Lune]

Thanks, absolutezero--that's exactly the point I was trying to make, but you said it much more eloquently 🙂

 

[MasterintuBater]

Originally posted by absolutezero
Unfortunately I fear that for many, medical school may be-

a. Just something to do after graduating college for lack of anything better to do,

b. A load of bullsh1t to be endured for the ultimate reward of financial security and a measure of prestige to buoy a sagging ego.

c. The longstanding dream of their parents

d. A halfassed enterprise that they sort of feel good about but they're not really sure.

e. The halfhearted backup plan that went into effect 2 years out of college when the dot com went south.

All of the above may apply to other professions as well as medicine but no profession shoulders such a responsibility to be mature, compassionate and well informed as medicine does.

For me, I applied to medical school ten years after I graduated from college because it was something I knew I could be serious about, do well, and love doing. I know there are 22 year olds who feel the same way about medicine and that's great. It's obviously not the case for everyone.

I for one sincerely hope that my peers in medical school are mature, poised, intellectually curious, have some degree of humility and come to the discipline with an attitude of cooperation, humanity and respect for other people. I also hope they are funny, talented, laid back and not competitive. I know it's a pretty tall order and I don't expect to any medical school to find people who fulfil all these criteria. And I'm not asking for perfect, sober, ramrods for classmates. I am certainly not trying to claim that I am all these things at all times or that I'm some kind of paragon of moral rectitude or humility. I am just hoping that I'm able to find a school that on the whole selects for more of these qualities than not.

I don't think wanting these things out of your med school peers is a sign you have a stick up your a$$. It just means you take your work seriously and don't want to be surrounded by amateurish sophomore types who still pull bonghits before class and could give a **** about other people.

All the old people in my class also preached the same condescending BS to everyone who went out on the weekends. (Except this one 44 year old guy who partied like he was going to die tomorrow.) The only people really listening to you are the other people like you.
The facts remain:
You can't handpick the people in your medical school class.
You can't handpick the people who will be your professional peers throughout your medical career. If you preach to them about being more mature, you will only alienate yourself. It is a no-win situation for you. Go ahead and put your lofty ideals of what a medical student should be in a box, tape it up real tight, and write "Useless Junk" on the lid. We are not God's chosen population, but just a bunch of people with many different motivations for doing medicine and many ways to cope with the journey. Bottom line: Take the advice of a previous poster and remain aloof. No one wants to hear it but you and those like you.

 

[MasterintuBater]

Originally posted by absolutezero
It just means you take your work seriously and don't want to be surrounded by amateurish sophomore types who still pull bonghits before class and could give a **** about other people.

Again, you stereotypically assume that any potsmoker/drinker in your class is just some immature kid who is only in school because of his parents, or his dot-com failed or whatever other of those reasons you listed. Do I need to bring up all the extremely successful people who smoked enough weed to last a lifetime? Let's start with Bill Gates. What an immature guy, heh? In other words, if you want to make this discussion about professionalism and a mature attitude towards medicine, fine. Just stop correlating this with drinking/smoking/age/whatever. You only weaken your point.
I had plenty of classmates who didn't smoke/drink/party/have a life that were also completely immature imbeciles. WHat's their excuse?

 

[absolutezero]

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[MasterintuBater]

Originally posted by absolutezero

Also, I'm not preaching. I'm just airing my opinions.

Ahhhh...how easily the two converge.

 

[aphistis]

Originally posted by MasterintuBater
Go ahead and put your lofty ideals of what a medical student should be in a box, tape it up real tight, and write "Useless Junk" on the lid. We are not God's chosen population.

Best. Response. Ever. 👍

 

[absolutezero]

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[MasterintuBater]

Originally posted by absolutezero
This thread is about people who act like jackasses in medical school, not about the morality of smoking pot.

Exactly. That is why my last two posts focused on NOT using alcohol and drugs as a correlation with unprofessionalism. Thanks for clarifying. I think I've stuck to the topic at hand, as none of my posts have addressed moral issues concerning drugs, only professional issues.

Originally posted by absolutezero You're so defensive about your drug use when I never criticized it.

I don't use drugs (oh wait, alcohol is a drug, nevermind).

Originally posted by absolutezero you've betrayed your shallow contempt for what you probably think are "squares" trying to harsh on your mellow.

I have no idea what that means. I think I may be too stupid to talk to you.

Originally posted by absolutezero Lastly, if you see your older peers as "surrogate classmate mothers" maybe you should consider therapy.

My post referred not to the fact that I view them as mothers, but that they try to treat their younger "immature" classmates as little kids that need their help and guidance. Even though, a little help wiping my nose wouldn't be so bad now and then.

Originally posted by absolutezero maybe you should consider therapy.

I think I should now. I hope my therapist knows what a schoolmarmish prig. is.

 

[dollarbincommon]

Clair de Lune,

I don't know what your definition of immature is. But to me, immature would be, say, someone who engages in a loud conversation in his/her cell phone while the professor is lecturing.

Or someone who refuses to turn his/her cell phone off and it's ringing very loud, causing the prof to stop lecturing and wait until the ringing stops.

Or people who have missed a lecture (and instead of doing the smart thing: asking other students for lecture notes) tell the professor during the lecture to "explain xyz because I wasn't here on that lecture day. I was ....."

Is this what you mean?

 

[BiggMann79]

I really have no problem with people partying hard and enjoying their time off. I personally choose not to unwind that way any longer but I definately understand the appeal.

I don't think that drinking is so much a result of immaturity but more a result of youth. Of course there are exceptions to that, the youth or the immaturity part.

What has suprised me the most about medical school is some peoples rude behavior toward lecturers. I see a lot more of this type of behavior now than I ever did in undergrad.

I've been in lectures when 20+ people just got up and left during the lecture, prompting a pop quiz for those remaining at the end.

I have no problem with not coming to class, but if you do go don't just leave in the middle of lecture, no matter how boring you think it is.

Of course there always seems to be some talking going on, and of course the cell phones going off, etc. I have no problem with sleeping in class though as I've done it a few times myself

Now Stinger you say that your class (my old class) is full of immature people? That class has such a high pucker factor that they could turn coal into a diamond. The M3's on the other hand.....

 

[Clair de Lune]

Yeah, dollar--that's pretty much what I'm talking about. Just people being obnoxious/rude in general. Every couple of weeks there's new rumors spreading--I wish people would just mind their own business. As far as after-school partying and all that--I am all for it as long as it doesn't interfere with the real reason we are all here. A few people in my class have definitely taken it way too far--I don't know about ya'll, but I wouldn't want a DWI on my record when I'm looking for a residency. And, the way some people make jokes about the anatomy of the cadavers during lab, to me, is just sad (& pretty disrespectful). But like I said before, these people are definitely in the minority & generally don't bug me too much. It's just when things get out of control (like they did a few days ago) that I get frustrated & wonder what some of these folks are really doing in med school.

 

[Clair de Lune]

By the way, it has been really interesting to see everyone's responses. I can definitely see where those who disagree with me are coming from. Thanks for all your input!

 

[stomper627]

The most immature people in my class were not those who drank, talked on cell phones, got up during class, etc....they were the "moral" Christians.....the virgins. These 4 women, giggle at inappropriate times during "sensitive lectures", shifted uncomfortably during slides of penises or vaginas, and even left class during the "gay porn" portion of Human sexuality. Personally I found this to be the most immature. I would rather have a doctor who would not judge me based on my lifestyle choices. These women are sure to judge others during their clinical years, and that is sad and immature.
stomper

 

[MasterintuBater]

Originally posted by stomper627
I would rather have a doctor who would not judge me based on my lifestyle choices. These women are sure to judge others during their clinical years, and that is sad and immature.
stomper

Right On 100%.

 

[Trajan]

Stomper -- you accuse these women of judging people, yet you pass them off as "Christian virgins." There is no way that you could know if they are virgins, so your choice of words here is indicative of your mirth and mockery of said group. Further, you dismiss them as "Christian," which speaks for itself. If these three students did what you said they did, then I would agree that they are part of the immaturity problem that plagues so many M1 classes, mine included. However, dismissing them as Christian virgins is as unthoughtful as it is offensive. Odd that the perception that someone is a Christian and a virgin would offend you of all people, someone who has no qualms with the behaviors discussed above.

 

[stomper627]

actually I do know that they are virgins....one of them was in my anatomy group and told us she was.....first time she saw a penis. Dont judge the situtation when you dont know about it. As I have stated....I dont have any problems with anyone....yet these few individuals were excessively immature and push their religion onto others. This is not needed in medicine. We are here to treat MEDICAL problems, not preach our morals onto others.
stomper

 

[carrigallen]

Originally posted by stomper627
actually I do know that they are virgins....one of them was in my anatomy group and told us she was.....first time she saw a penis.

Just because you've never seen a penis does not automatically make you a virgin...not in the least..

 

[stomper627]

obviously you dont read....as I have said.....she stated to the group that she was a virgin!

 

[piu]

Originally posted by carrigallen
Just because you've never seen a penis does not automatically make you a virgin...not in the least..

haha could you please explain how that is possible ?