F31 timeline question

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.

futureapppsy2

Assistant professor
Volunteer Staff
Lifetime Donor
15+ Year Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2008
Messages
7,981
Reaction score
7,091
So, it is my understanding that, even though F31 grants technically can fund someone throughout a PhD program, applicants are only really competitive/apply when they are at the dissertation proposal stage of their program (so, typically 1-2 years left to go). Is this correct, including the "diversity" specific F31s?

Thanks!

Members don't see this ad.
 
No idea RE: the diversity ones, though it is definitely true for the normal mechanism. I'd say 2 years though - 1 year may not give enough time to provide substantive training. Even the folks I know who only used it for 1 year had originally written it for 2 and just didn't use the second. Once upon a time people were funded for 4-5 years off them, but I'm not sure I've heard of that happening anytime in the last decade.

Remember though, even "ideally" (i.e. funded the first time) you are still looking at a minimum of 6-9 months (sometimes a full year) from when you submit to when you actually get the funding. If it takes 2 submissions and you miss a cycle because you didn't get the reviews back in time or you just couldn't turn it around in a week's time, that could easily become 1.5 years or more from when the first submission goes in to when funding arrives.
 
No idea RE: the diversity ones, though it is definitely true for the normal mechanism. I'd say 2 years though - 1 year may not give enough time to provide substantive training. Even the folks I know who only used it for 1 year had originally written it for 2 and just didn't use the second. Once upon a time people were funded for 4-5 years off them, but I'm not sure I've heard of that happening anytime in the last decade.

Remember though, even "ideally" (i.e. funded the first time) you are still looking at a minimum of 6-9 months (sometimes a full year) from when you submit to when you actually get the funding.


Thanks! So, if I'm ideally looking at four years to graduation starting next fall (though I'd be more than willing to take an extra year for an F31!), should I start the application/proposal process sometime this coming year or the year after next?
 
Members don't see this ad :)
Yeah, I'd say you would probably want to do so around fall of second year.

Its very tough with short programs like that - I'd wager very few folks would be competitive after a year, but I know you are coming in with lots already so that should be an enormous help. After my experience I'm convinced its all a dice roll anyways and has more to do with who it gets assigned to for review than the actual application itself.
 
Just to put this in perspective a bit. I had three publications when I applied, a close friend of mine also had three when he initially applied, and another friend only had 1 when she applied. All of us got one. So, you don't need to have amassed a huge vita prior to applying.

I think having a decent idea (that people easily understand) is important. However, including training experiences that complement your project and are in line with the funding agency are key (e.g., clinical experiences that might give your research some context, considerable advanced stats training, additional coursework related to your research proposal if possible, etc.). Also, having very strong letters and a solid mentor are very important. The funding agency is making an investment in you, not the project (in fact, I think the project is the least important piece of the application).

Regarding the turn-around. I applied in August, got my statement back in early Dec, and had 10 days to get my revision done (if I wanted to make the next submission date). I worked tirelessly for the next 10 days and resubmitted. I started the following August. Everyone I know with an NRSA (n=5) has managed to get their resubmission in on the very next submission cycle. Which generally means a 1 year time frame from submission to funding (although I'm sure this isn't always the case). I would suggest that you submit early as long as you have at least 1 publication (preferably a 1st author). Hopefully by the resubmission you'll have a few more things in the works. Fall of your second year is a good time to submit (I submitted fall of the 3rd year and stayed for a 5th year). If you submit that early, you may want to apply for 3 years (in which case you should have a lot of additional training experiences worked in to justify the 3rd year).

And finally, GOOD LUCK! Writing an F31, regardless of whether or not you get it, is a good experience.
 
Regarding the turn-around. I applied in August, got my statement back in early Dec, and had 10 days to get my revision done (if I wanted to make the next submission date). I worked tirelessly for the next 10 days and resubmitted. I started the following August. Everyone I know with an NRSA (n=5) has managed to get their resubmission in on the very next submission cycle. Which generally means a 1 year time frame from submission to funding (although I'm sure this isn't always the case).

This timeframe is what I have heard as well...I have never heard of it taking any less than 9 months. People I know who got NRSAs generally did not have much on their vita early. The important thing is that you have a good mentor and a project in line with the agency.

I actually wrote one, but I was too far along to submit it when it was done given the return time. I wish I had done it earlier. I don't think it is ever too early to submit. May as well go for it and use the feedback for the next cycle if need be.
 
Top