first year is:

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Well, to be fair, I was a bit pissed when I wrote that post last night, but I just get frustrated when people brag about how smart they are or how great they're doing in school or how easy med school is. I mean, that's just obnoxious. Medical school is not the great intellectual feet that other things are (which I think we can all agree on). It requires an assload of memorizing and tenacity. I have a friend that finished his MS in ChemE in one year (including his thesis) with a 3.9 GPA and he said that was the hardest thing he had ever done. But he still found med school challenging, if for no other reason that it requires consistent studying. Now that's he's a 4th year it's worse because he's working his ass off (6 days a week, call q4, days start at 6am) and he pretty much hates life. That's tough. Beating the mean in your first year anatomy test: big f-ing deal. No one's going to care about that when you're in practice.

End rant. I just hate med student egos. It's just a bore. That's all.

Now, everyone, enjoy your summer!

🙂
 
Elysium said:
Medical school is not the great intellectual feet that other things are (which I think we can all agree on).

Funny, I've met some smart feet in my day, but medical school definitely has some pretty smart friggin' feet, lemme tell ya. It's toes ain't too shabby either.
 
Elysium said:
I just have to say that crowing about how easy first year is on an online forum is f-ing obnoxious. I mean, come on. It's a sausage party of egos getting together to jerk off about how smart you are. Whoopee! How exciting! You guys are awesome! You are going to make excellent doctor and make lots and lots of money! Whatever, dude. How about getting some humility? Maybe first year is not hard for everybody, but its difficult for an assload of people, myself included. Do you realize how f-ing obnoxious you sound talking about how easy medical school is? You sound like the biggest bunch of pedantic tools on the planet. If you're so smart, go get a PhD in egineering or physics, or something else that requires something besides puking out mindless facts. Go write a book or paint a picture or talk about something besides first year phys. What an f-ing bore. Go get a clue.

Jesus.

Well said! Don't apologize for this post, you're right on the mark. 👍
 
The only thing more obnoxious than people talking about how easy medical school is, are those that point out grammatical errors.
 
Tiki said:
The only thing more obnoxious than people talking about how easy medical school is, are those that point out grammatical errors.


People who go 'Waaaah' all the time are pretty obnoxious too. Med school isn't easy, waaa. Stop saying its easy, waaa. ITS ACTUALLY REALLY REALLY HARD AND WAAAAAH.
 
I just want to add what I have observed in my classmates. From what I have seen and talked, majority of my classmates would agree that MS1 is fairly stressful but manageable. Only minority would say it was either easy or exceptionally tough. And I don't think other schools would be much different. I think most MS1 in any school would agree that it's fairly stressful but not too bad. My school is P/F by the way.

2nd year, however, is gonna be painful...
 
first year med school was the exact difficulty i expected it to be... there were parts i loved and thought were easy (genetics) and parts i had trouble dealing with (I still have nightmares about arthur, my cadaver) and parts i just hated and drove me crazy (histo and histopath).

you know what the neatest thing about the first year is... the unbelievable amount of material you learn... it's cool flipping on er and understanding what the heck they're talking about... when benton asks carter what the bounderies of hasselbach's triangle are and when they discuss a saphenous cutdown, being able to close your eyes and seeing... first year is all about learning the language and it's such a thrill being able to spit out some of the things i can now...

i'm proud of what i've done this year... and i'm already freaking out about step 1 and it's a year away... talk about the typical med school nerd 😉
 
sleepymed said:
first year med school was the exact difficulty i expected it to be... there were parts i loved and thought were easy (genetics) and parts i had trouble dealing with (I still have nightmares about arthur, my cadaver) and parts i just hated and drove me crazy (histo and histopath).

you know what the neatest thing about the first year is... the unbelievable amount of material you learn... it's cool flipping on er and understanding what they heck they're talking about... when benton asks carter what the bounderies of hasselbach's triangle are and when they discuss a saphenous cutdown, being able to close your eyes and seeing... first year is all about learning the language and it's such a thrill being able to spit out some of the things i can now...

i'm proud of what i've done this year... and i'm already freaking out about step 1 and it's a year away... talk about the typical med school nerd 😉

if i were to post, i would have written the exact same thing with the only exception of neuro/neuroanatomy being my major headache... that and we named our cadaver jake 🙂
 
I will be starting COMP this year and we're graded by percentage... Our transcripts show 72%, 78%, etc. I haven't heard much "easiness" going on during first year from anybody I've talked to who has gone through it (or left the program mid first year). I'm not sure how the grading system and the curriculum being "tough" or "easy" are related, other than competitiveness.
 
Was the first year (or second year) exceptionally tough or easy? That, I'm not so sure...but I did at least find most of it excruciatingly boring 😉
 
arsenic, we don't do neuro/neuroanatomy till our ms2... i'm really scared of what it's going to be like... not necessarily just the memorizing and stuff, but how traumatizing is it dissecting the face???

oh by the way... *we* don't name our cadavers... at our school they tell us their first names, proffessions, and age at the time of death...
 
Elysium said:
I just have to say that crowing about how easy first year is on an online forum is f-ing obnoxious. I mean, come on. It's a sausage party of egos getting together to jerk off about how smart you are. Whoopee! How exciting! You guys are awesome! You are going to make excellent doctor and make lots and lots of money! Whatever, dude. How about getting some humility? Maybe first year is not hard for everybody, but its difficult for an assload of people, myself included. Do you realize how f-ing obnoxious you sound talking about how easy medical school is? You sound like the biggest bunch of pedantic tools on the planet. If you're so smart, go get a PhD in egineering or physics, or something else that requires something besides puking out mindless facts. Go write a book or paint a picture or talk about something besides first year phys. What an f-ing bore. Go get a clue.

Jesus.

I can see why you would be so annoyed. You want people on here to acknowledge that for the majority its NOT easy. Ok, fair enough....but could you also realize that for a small minority it really wasn't that hard. Soon-to-be MS1's need to know that first year is not hell for EVERYONE. Sometimes pre-meds/med students complain so much about what they're going through that it may seem impossible to the outsider. People need to see both sides of the coin. That's all.
 
MS1 was an exercise in self-immolation in some sense... perhaps in terms of one's soul? Not academically hard, but very hard in terms of getting inured with those around you, and not feeling alone, nor feeling like parts of your brain are dying (you know the parts that hold words and non-medical related knowledge)............. 🙂

DOCTORSAIB said:
I can see why you would be so annoyed. You want people on here to acknowledge that for the majority its NOT easy. Ok, fair enough....but could you also realize that for a small minority it really wasn't that hard. Soon-to-be MS1's need to know that first year is not hell for EVERYONE. Sometimes pre-meds/med students complain so much about what they're going through that it may seem impossible to the outsider. People need to see both sides of the coin. That's all.
 
nutmegs said:
get ready guys, M1 was cake, M2 hits like a load of bricks 😉
say that again and again, you have NO idea. Espe for the kid who said they didnt even start neuro first year.. add that to the hell of it all.
Listen everyone medschool years 1 and 2 are ridiculously easy. They are also insanely and almost impossible hard. It depends on what you want to get out of the years ILl use myself for example
As ms1 started the first month i was so overwhelmed, just reading anatomy which id never seen before, i swear i spent more time getting ggood at moores anatomy glossary setup and whatthe anterodorsolateral aspect of a bone is or something.I meanit was excruciating to get through vocabularly like that. However after month 1 you get the hang. The next decision is if you want to honor or just scrape and pass. You can pass medschool so damn easily with soooo little workout- you just memorize the teachers hand outs. YOu learn jack **** most times but i have seen 100s do it. Alot of those people probably honored.. Oh and if you havent figured it by year 1, honoring classes is for poeple who sit there andmemorize verbatim a teachers syllabus, no matter how useless it is. however those same people dont often learn.
Second if you want all honors and you want to learn. You are going to be studying a HELL of a lot. Especially if you go to class and need outsiding reading. I stopped going to class after the first month of m1 and never again wetn and now im an m3. I had TONS more time to complete my work and then still go out 3 or 4 times a week for the year. I really did have a fun first year but i wasnt honoring everything, nor did i learn 2 subjects that i later spent my summer doing becaseu i did not want to come out of first year not having "learned" all the material well. Its so true.. you better have LEARNED it the first go round cause with second year and your measly 6 weeks of boards, you ONLY have time to cruise over what you konw, and if you dont know it, you dont have time to spend a week learning the thalamus and all its inputs and outputs. You have an hour. So for example if you skated by neuro year 1 and passed but knew it was only cause you memorized your way through then id suggest learning any subject matter thoroughly yourself before ms2.
Even anatomy, sure one can say you wont remmeber the details, and the details you dont have to but its the whole pattern of anatomy, the big picture stuff and general relations of the body, general vessel paths, general lymph flow, General nerve path and the big nerves and dermatomes.. WIth that founcation that should never really be forgetton too poorly, that is the bulk of what you will need to have to answer step 1 questions. It doesnt matter that some tendon crosses under in 20 percent of people and over in 80 or some bull****.. LEARN first year and if that means sacrificing honors cause you couldnt memorize every tidbit, than still LEARN.. youll thank youself for step 1, ms3 and for yoru career as a competant physician. No other time in your life will you have a whole year, all daya nd all night to READ and LEARN.. not much else going on 2nd year. So take advn. While on clinics i cant imagine it to be the same coming home exhausted after 10 work hours and trying to read a couple chapters of something. 2nd year is agreat time to buckle down and study hard.. Remember you see people in your class going out maybe and they convince you, but remmeber its EVERYONE in teh COUNTRY you are competing with, not thos lazy ass classmates. just keep taht in mind, dont compared yourself to yhour class, compare yourself to the country, and i tell ya the country is full of smart people who study 24/7 and then clearn up every last good resid/ spot and laugh in the slackers face.
 
TheFlash said:
SWEET AND EASY. thank you god for letting my MS1 year be possibly the greatest year of my life. i love new york, and i absolutely adorelovesex mount sinai. reading posts about how other people hated their first years makes me value what i have so much more.

may MS2 bring great things. that is all.

First year is:

Like hesitation it brings your worst nightmares come true :laugh:
 
nutmegs said:
get ready guys, M1 was cake, M2 hits like a load of bricks 😉
The above is actually a conditional statement: IF you make your M-1 year "cake," your M-2 year will destroy you. If you learn the material well during the first year (the basic science), then understanding pathology and pharmacology will come much easier.
 
to supplement, i'm finding that browsing First Aid during the summer before second year is a good way to keep all that zany material fresh and orderly. it's a lot more fun than waiting for your histochem protocols to run, i'll tell ya that much. i can't wait to attack step I! 😉
 
bigfrank said:
The above is actually a conditional statement: IF you make your M-1 year "cake," your M-2 year will destroy you. If you learn the material well during the first year (the basic science), then understanding pathology and pharmacology will come much easier.
I don't find it conditional at all. I learned the material very well in M1, we just had a light courseload, IMO. I didn't find any of the material second year to be particularly difficult (with the possible exception of renal/acid base pathophys) it was simply the sheer VOLUME of the material. getting through that much stuff requires time, time, time. therefore, second year was a kick in the balls and that statement does not reflect at all on my M1 preparation.
 
I thought 1st year took some getting used to. I was overwhelmed with how much I needed to spend studying. But I got used to it and then it because just routine. At the same time though 1st year opened my eyes to so much stuff that I had never seen before and in that sense it was very exciting.
 
You guys are all kind of scaring me... at my future school, ms1 is only a semester and ms2 starts in january of your "first" year. Am I gonna sink without the adjustment period?
 
rugirlie said:
You guys are all kind of scaring me... at my future school, ms1 is only a semester and ms2 starts in january of your "first" year. Am I gonna sink without the adjustment period?

what school starts 2nd year after a few months? do they give you some time to do some other things?

I am not a genius, I do not have a photographic memory, and I made it this far with hard work! I don't have the luxury of looking at something once and remembering it...I have to study it 2 or 3 times and then maybe write it down a couple of more times!!! People have mentioned what I found to be the hardest part about 1st year...the volume of info. I think we are all smart enough that if given enough time we will be able to understand everything they are trying to teach us...but obviously we don't have "enough time." So, yes 1st year was very difficult for me...I always felt like I was trying to keep my head just barely above water! However, I have very close friends making the same grades...going out a lot and actually feeling badly because they didn't put in a lot of effort....I on the other hand had less time to goof off....not because I was trying to gun it, but because I was trying to pass! the volume of information required me personally to work the hardest I have ever worked for the longest time I have ever gone...
the key is "me personally" because I guarantee that out of my 100 other classmates there will be 100 different impressions and feelings about the exact same curriculum
I am hoping that my work will pay off in a SLIGHTLY higher retention rate.....unlikely
 
DukeDoc08 said:
what school starts 2nd year after a few months? do they give you some time to do some other things?


Well my school has a 1.5 year pre-clinical curriculum so 1st year is condensed into Aug-Dec... we get a 2 week winter break and then 2nd year starts....
 
I just wanted to say that this is a great thread. As an incoming MS1 who has been feeling a bit anxiety, the posts on this thread have been very encouraging.
 
rugirlie said:
Well my school has a 1.5 year pre-clinical curriculum so 1st year is condensed into Aug-Dec... we get a 2 week winter break and then 2nd year starts....
good luck at penn.
 
dradams said:
I just wanted to say that this is a great thread. As an incoming MS1 who has been feeling a bit anxiety, the posts on this thread have been very encouraging.
sweet, that's the whole point of this thread :horns: (contrary to what may have been written in dissension).
 
TheFlash said:
sweet, that's the whole point of this thread :horns: (contrary to what may have been written in dissension).


Well, on the contrary, this thread has scared me... people going on about making sure first year prepares you for second year... my first year is my second year!! :scared: Someone assuage me asap! (First I look at old exams at my school and freak out and now this.. eeek)
 
rugirlie said:
Well, on the contrary, this thread has scared me... people going on about making sure first year prepares you for second year... my first year is my second year!! :scared: Someone assuage me asap! (First I look at old exams at my school and freak out and now this.. eeek)
Sorry. You're doomed. 👎
 
rugirlie said:
Well, on the contrary, this thread has scared me... people going on about making sure first year prepares you for second year... my first year is my second year!! :scared: Someone assuage me asap! (First I look at old exams at my school and freak out and now this.. eeek)
people apparently love their first semester at penn, don't worry. 👍
 
M1 was great, except stay away from the crazy people who freak out after every block of exams. What's M2 like?
 
JulianCrane said:
M1 was great, except stay away from the crazy people who freak out after every block of exams. What's M2 like?

Well... I thought M2 was really, really horrible. But by the same token, I didn't really like M1 either. So maybe you'll wind up liking round 2 at P&S. :laugh:
 
typeB-md said:
pipe it down, cha-chi

elysium is right... from the tone of this thread, though, it sounds like many people aren't really that happy or maybe they're looking for reassurance that they're smart.

first year is mindless and unprovoking of original thought. i am as you say, "riding the front side of the curve." and in fact my numerical percentages are usually some of the best in the class. but at least i can acknowledge that med school is not much more than turning your head into a medical text of facts. i can thank my photo-memory for this, but i would appreciate being able to use other aspects of my brain once in a while.

i can only hope that your hubris is limited to the internet


I believe the pot just called the kettle black before our very eyes.
 
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