Florida Schools Application Thread (2008) part 2

[mdgator]

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Actually similar things dont happen at other med schools since the LCME put the kabosh on this in their rules a few years ago. From my inner-circle knowledge Admissions Committee decisions are godly and not over-ruled by administrators nor are there any "deals" or secret handshakes. For all of the perceived mysticism the decisions are on the up-and-up. A decision made by the committe is THE final decision. The UF thing is a very isolated incident and if the story is completely true, will be dealt with accordingly by the accreditation organization if it is within their purview. Let's wait and see what happens.

I didn't say the exact same thing happens at other schools, I said similar things. Maybe a single person overruling an entire committee is an isolated incident...but I guarantee you that every application cycle, favors are called in, people are chosen based on connections as opposed to merit...heck, I wouldn't even be surprised if the occasional bribe is made. I don't know what inner-circle knowledge you have, but unless you've personally sat on multiple admissions committees at multiple schools for many years, then honestly, I'll go with my gut on this one. The fact is, it is human nature to look for shortcuts and loopholes rather than actually putting in the hard work. Not everyone does it...maybe not even most do...but there are a lot of cheaters. And if med school admissions is a competitive process that is free of corruption, then it is the only one I know of. My personal experience and observations just lead me to the common-sense conclusion that underhanded dealings DO take place.
You say you have more experience dealing with adcoms than I do, and I don't question that. But dirty politics is a fact of life. It permeates everything. If Little Timmy is a borderline applicant at University X, Tim's rich and powerful father doesn't have to sway an entire adcom...he just needs to find a connection on the adcom, (anyone of questionable ethics and/or close family or political ties will do), who can arrange to be Little Timmy's interviewer, and thus arrange to rave to the committee about what a wonderful doctor Little Timmy will make, despite his average grades. When it comes down to Bobby and Timmy, both having a 30 MCAT and a 3.6, then Timmy gets in 9 times out of ten. These things, I would imagine, are really not that hard to pull off for the powerful and well-connected. You think every Kennedy that ever went to Harvard law deserved it? Or every Bush that went to Yale? Yale no! So why would med school be any different? Oh, I know, because medicine is a noble, service-oriented profession and only saints are allowed in, right? That is, until UF was overtaken by the Dark Side.

 

[mdgator]

Thanks mdgator and dcohen,

I think that I will apply regular decision just to keep my options open, but I still feel like this is the school for me. 🙂

There is something to be said for keeping your options open, but if you already feel that strongly about FSU, then I suspect that you will continue to feel that way.

I personally felt just the opposite about FSU when the app cycle began. I didn't even think I was going to apply there, at first. But I stopped by and visited the school and talked to a few people one day when I was in Tallahassee, and I really liked what I saw. So I applied, and when I interviewed, I absolutely LOVED everything about it...almost, at least. Now, I am pretty sure that that's where I will end up.

I have not actually ever spoken to anyone who had there heart set on FSU from the beginning. Most people only come to realize what an awesome school it is after they've seen it first hand, like I did. If you don't mind my asking, what is it that you like so much about FSU? Are you a student there? Live in the area? Or do you just really like their philosophy?

Anyway, good luck with the application process. It is loooong and trying. Just keep focused, work hard to get everything finished early, and stay positive!

 

[mikedc813]

I didn't say the exact same thing happens at other schools, I said similar things. Maybe a single person overruling an entire committee is an isolated incident...but I guarantee you that every application cycle, favors are called in, people are chosen based on connections as opposed to merit...heck, I wouldn't even be surprised if the occasional bribe is made. I don't know what inner-circle knowledge you have, but unless you've personally sat on multiple admissions committees at multiple schools for many years, then honestly, I'll go with my gut on this one. The fact is, it is human nature to look for shortcuts and loopholes rather than actually putting in the hard work. Not everyone does it...maybe not even most do...but there are a lot of cheaters. And if med school admissions is a competitive process that is free of corruption, then it is the only one I know of. My personal experience and observations just lead me to the common-sense conclusion that underhanded dealings DO take place.
You say you have more experience dealing with adcoms than I do, and I don't question that. But dirty politics is a fact of life. It permeates everything. If Little Timmy is a borderline applicant at University X, Tim's rich and powerful father doesn't have to sway an entire adcom...he just needs to find a connection on the adcom, (anyone of questionable ethics and/or close family or political ties will do), who can arrange to be Little Timmy's interviewer, and thus arrange to rave to the committee about what a wonderful doctor Little Timmy will make, despite his average grades. When it comes down to Bobby and Timmy, both having a 30 MCAT and a 3.6, then Timmy gets in 9 times out of ten. These things, I would imagine, are really not that hard to pull off for the powerful and well-connected. You think every Kennedy that ever went to Harvard law deserved it? Or every Bush that went to Yale? Yale no! So why would med school be any different? Oh, I know, because medicine is a noble, service-oriented profession and only saints are allowed in, right? That is, until UF was overtaken by the Dark Side.

I am simply amazed by your comments...and am trying to find the right words to respond.

What made you so cynical towards the admissions process? I find your comments to be ignorant, especially from the perspective of someone who hasn't even started medical school yet and who knows little of the culture. I like how you "guarantee that every application cycle, favors are called in, people are chosen based on connections as opposed to merit" - do you really stand by that? What you say is based entirely on supposition and your own presumed notions of how dishonest the admissions process is. I would think the repercussions of doing something like taking a bribe so would be very severe. Is it possible that somewhere out there some adcom is doing something unfair? Sure it's possible. Is it possible that 99.9999% of adcoms are choosing the best applicants because they have the potential to become great doctors? I'd bet my future career on that.

Furthermore, I agree with REL's comments 100%. REL has incredible knowledge of the admissions process, and yes he sits at adcom meetings week after week. He knows what he is talking about.

So take a chill pill. The admissions process is a fair one. It's certainly unfair to make assumptions about the process as a whole from one alleged incident at UF.

 

[Dendrite]

I, too, was a bit surprised with the above comments. I know how neurotic all of us can get after being through quite possibly the hardest admissions cycle in quite some time, but we need to put things in perspective. Admissions representatives, faculty, and other members of the selection committees genuinely have an interest in what they do; they have a tremendous responsibility of choosing the future graduates of their school, and the future doctors that are going to treat others. If one were to do something underhandedly like accepting bribes or doing political favors, there is a good chance it would have been figured out (e.g., just like this current dilemma with UF was found out, although not resolved yet, is likely to tarnish a few reputations) - although it may not seem so to applicants, I'm sure there is a great deal of accountability within the committees themselves - there are reputations and other matters of professionalism at stake here.

I'm sure this is an isolated incident. We really cannot do much more than follow the story. Let's not forget that despite all that has occurred, we are all going to be trained by some of the best medical schools in the country. Now that this story has gotten out, it is up to dean of the UF COM and the LCME to resolve the dispute (if it is to be resolved); because the UF Admissions Committee abided by the LCME guidelines in accepting students, it can't really adversely affect UF COM students matriculating this year (or years after if this is an isolated incident). I highly doubt, because word has gotten out about this, that a similar drastic incident is likely to take place in the near future.

 

[Just Joshin]

I don't know what inner-circle knowledge you have, but unless you've personally sat on multiple admissions committees at multiple schools for many years, then honestly, I'll go with my gut on this one.

Wow, I thought everyone knew who REL was. Just FYI: REL was Dean of Admissions at USF's med school until last year. He now holds a similar position at UCF's new med school.

 

[gujuDoc]

Wow, I thought everyone knew who REL was. Just FYI: REL was Dean of Admissions at USF's med school until last year. He now holds a similar position at UCF's new med school.

Just one minor correction. He was Director of Admissions. Dean of Admissions = Dean of Student Affairs at USF. At USF this person is Dr. Stephen Specter. He's also been one of my professors in my Virology and Host parasite interactions class and teaches much of the virology stuff to 2nd year med students. A truly amazing person although he does have an unnessary penchant for telling too many stories sometimes.

But you are right in your other facts.

Also, can we stop arguing about schools and change the topic?

 

[axlaxl1]

If someone is murdered once do you call that an isolated incident? If someone is beaten or mugged once is that an isolated incident? If someone is rapped is that an isolated incident?

U.F. is paid with my tax paying dollars and when scandals like this happen they need to be investigated, i..e the reporting being done already, and an outcome needs to be determined to see if everything was kosher about what happened.

I am surprised about the amount of people posting on here in defense of U.F. saying "every school does this" and we aren't the only ones. NO! That is wrong, and if someone can drudge up cases where UM, USF, FSU or any other school that has done the same bashing should be given to them accordingly.

The DEAN of U.F. is a part of that school just as much as the ADCOM is. The Dean isn't a freelance rouge agent of the school. U.F. has made a blunder here and it is representative of the exact thread conversation we were having earlier with all of the IVY league/elite school hunting they do in the applications process. Again, HOW MANY of you ARE ON HOLD RIGHT NOW, due to the arrogance of their practices that are nothing to do with the DEAN?

If you don't like the message that is ok, but please save the iconic defenses that are excuses for an elitist system that finally has the "chickens coming home to roost."

 

[gujuDoc]

If someone is murdered once do you call that an isolated incident? If someone is beaten or mugged once is that an isolated incident? If someone is rapped is that an isolated incident?

U.F. is paid with my tax paying dollars and when scandals like this happen they need to be investigated, i..e the reporting being done already, and an outcome needs to be determined to see if everything was kosher about what happened.

I am surprised about the amount of people posting on here in defense of U.F. saying "every school does this" and we aren't the only ones. NO! That is wrong, and if someone can drudge up cases where UM, USF, FSU or any other school that has done the same bashing should be given to them accordingly.

The DEAN of U.F. is a part of that school just as much as the ADCOM is. The Dean isn't a freelance rouge agent of the school. U.F. has made a blunder here and it is representative of the exact thread conversation we were having earlier with all of the IVY league/elite school hunting they do in the applications process. Again, HOW MANY of you ARE ON HOLD RIGHT NOW, due to the arrogance of their practices that are nothing to do with the DEAN?

If you don't like the message that is ok, but please save the iconic defenses that are excuses for an elitist system that finally has the "chickens coming home to roost."

You are missing the point. The point is you've been accepted to a school of your choice so how does it concern you who they picked or didn't pick? it was already stated on here that it is being looked into. You are not attending UF and so this is not going to concern you one way or another.

Do not compare admittance to a school based on connections to murder, rape, and any violent natured act. That is irreprehensible and nowhere nearly the same thing.

 

[VinDiesel]

If someone is murdered once do you call that an isolated incident? If someone is beaten or mugged once is that an isolated incident? If someone is rapped is that an isolated incident?

U.F. is paid with my tax paying dollars and when scandals like this happen they need to be investigated, i..e the reporting being done already, and an outcome needs to be determined to see if everything was kosher about what happened.

I am surprised about the amount of people posting on here in defense of U.F. saying "every school does this" and we aren't the only ones. NO! That is wrong, and if someone can drudge up cases where UM, USF, FSU or any other school that has done the same bashing should be given to them accordingly.

The DEAN of U.F. is a part of that school just as much as the ADCOM is. The Dean isn't a freelance rouge agent of the school. U.F. has made a blunder here and it is representative of the exact thread conversation we were having earlier with all of the IVY league/elite school hunting they do in the applications process. Again, HOW MANY of you ARE ON HOLD RIGHT NOW, due to the arrogance of their practices that are nothing to do with the DEAN?

If you don't like the message that is ok, but please save the iconic defenses that are excuses for an elitist system that finally has the "chickens coming home to roost."

I have been reading this thread for a while, because I too am 'oh hold' at UF. I have to say that your comments reek of bitterness towards UF and this appears to mainly be the result of your not having been accepted there. Like myself, I am sure there are other people here who read this thread for feedback about the Florida schools because they are still trying to determine if school X is a good fit for them. While I appreciate the value of your constructive criticism of UF, your efforts to denigrate the school are not helpful.

 

[xiaoyi666]

Wow, I thought everyone knew who REL was. Just FYI: REL was Dean of Admissions at USF's med school until last year. He now holds a similar position at UCF's new med school.

I think it's pretty clear he knows who REL is hence the inner-circle and sitting on MULTIPLE committees for multiple years reference. He was making the point that REL's knowledge about the matter is from 1 specific school and not large enough of a sample size. Don't really want to get into the main argument itself but just clarifying that it appears he knows who REL is.

Either way, no need to assume everyone knows who REL is, there are ppl asking who REL is or what REL stands for all the time.

 

[Dendrite]

If someone is murdered once do you call that an isolated incident? If someone is beaten or mugged once is that an isolated incident? If someone is rapped is that an isolated incident?

U.F. is paid with my tax paying dollars and when scandals like this happen they need to be investigated, i..e the reporting being done already, and an outcome needs to be determined to see if everything was kosher about what happened.

I am surprised about the amount of people posting on here in defense of U.F. saying "every school does this" and we aren't the only ones. NO! That is wrong, and if someone can drudge up cases where UM, USF, FSU or any other school that has done the same bashing should be given to them accordingly.

The DEAN of U.F. is a part of that school just as much as the ADCOM is. The Dean isn't a freelance rouge agent of the school. U.F. has made a blunder here and it is representative of the exact thread conversation we were having earlier with all of the IVY league/elite school hunting they do in the applications process. Again, HOW MANY of you ARE ON HOLD RIGHT NOW, due to the arrogance of their practices that are nothing to do with the DEAN?

If you don't like the message that is ok, but please save the iconic defenses that are excuses for an elitist system that finally has the "chickens coming home to roost."

I wanted to echo earlier sentiments of how your attitude towards UF seems to be directly correlative with the bitterness you have with their College of Medicine. It is fine if you have that opinion of them, but comparing this action to rape and murder is not only unfounded, but doesn't make sense. REL just came in here to state that this action does not happen too often, if at all. A lot of naive people viewing this thread with no outside knowledge of UF as an institution will take your obstructed view of the college as fact; let's all have at least some responsibility for the views we express, and base our judgements at least somewhat on fact here and not entirely on subjective opinions.

I don't think anyone here is outright condoning the actions of the Dean, and we are not the people to reach conclusions on how to remedy the solution.

And there does appear to be a separation of duties between the Dean of the COM and the Medical Selection Committee, as per LCME rules; the Dean picks the chair of the committee, and for the most part (and emphasis on the "MOST", if not 99.99% of the time), the committee decides on who is accepted. This does not fit well with your argument of how angry those people on Hold should feel (again, the MSC makes the decisions, not the Dean, and the current act deals with the Dean's actions). I would like to reiterate how the MSC disagrees with the Dean's actions, let's have at least some focus on this too.

With all due respect, and out of respect for the visitors who view the thread to learn more of the school, let's give the anti-UF sentiment a rest. If you don't agree with how they practice, then withdraw - simple as that. No offense, but let's stop whining over spilled milk.

 

[mikedc813]

This back and forth arguing is not helping anyone. Let's refocus.

 

[bball86]

This back and forth arguing is not helping anyone. Let's refocus.

good idea
does anyone know when we will start to hear from UF about being on hold...last years thread showed people starting to hear April 10 and 11

 

[wally47]

good idea
does anyone know when we will start to hear from UF about being on hold...last years thread showed people starting to hear April 10 and 11

The email said that UF would be mailing out decisions from April 15th thru the 30th.

 

[UFMed]

 

[mdgator]

Just to clarify a few things:

Someone said that I sound cynical. I do not consider myself to be cynical. I know that, overall, I am not a cynical person...I'm a very positive person. I don't think that it's cynical to assume that the same kind of corruption that occurs in politics, business, and the job market almost universally also affects the medical school admissions process. I think that it's basically being realistic to make that assumption.

Someone indicated that 99+% of the time, things are on the up-and-up. That person also conceded the possibility that occasionally something underhanded takes place. We basically agree. I did not mean to incenuate that corrupt actions are taken most of the time, or even a lot of the time. I just simply stated that they do take place. And given the fact that there are tens of thousands of applicants every year at 120+ schools, I think that corruption is probably more widespread than most of you realize. My original point was that UF is definitely not the only school where things like this take place. I stand by that point.

My position was called "ignorant," since I have not started med school yet. Am I ignorant in the sense that I have never actually sat on an admissions committee first hand. Yes. But I don't think that it's ignorant to assume that medical school admissions is not the one shining exception to the pervasive corruption that takes place in virtually every activity that people are involved in. In fact, I think it would be ignorant for someone without extensive knowledge of the process to assume that it is the exception.

For the record, no, I had no idea who REL is. I respected his/her opinions before, and I respect them even more now, due to the experiences he/she has had. Is he a better authority to speak on the topic we've been discussing? Absolutely. Does that mean he's necessarily right? No. Quick analogy to illustrate. It has been shown in recent years that there is a great deal of corruption in the Catholic Church. If you are an outsider who wants to exploit that corruption, do you seek out a connection with the Pope, or someone like Mother Theresa? No. You befriend a crooked bishop somewhere who is known to already have his hand in the cookie jar. The corruption goes on, despite the fact that the Pope and the Mother Theresa's remain noble people with noble intents. In fact, the institution itself need not be considered corrupt. It is simply a fact that corrupt things take place within the institution.

In sum, the argument seems to be whether or not corruption occurs in the admissions process. The fact that this event took place actually confirms my position that it does. It seems a little naive to assume that the one and only time it happened, it was brought to the light. And for the record, I have actually read in other threads on this forum other examples of corruption within adcoms. I cannot confirm the validity of any of them, however.

Some of you guys seem to want to move on from this topic. I am fine with that. If anyone wants to respond to my thoughts, feel free to PM me.

 

[UFMed]

I wanted to echo earlier sentiments of how your attitude towards UF seems to be directly correlative with the bitterness you have with their College of Medicine. It is fine if you have that opinion of them, but comparing this action to rape and murder is not only unfounded, but doesn't make sense. REL just came in here to state that this action does not happen too often, if at all. A lot of naive people viewing this thread with no outside knowledge of UF as an institution will take your obstructed view of the college as fact; let's all have at least some responsibility for the views we express, and base our judgements at least somewhat on fact here and not entirely on subjective opinions.

I don't think anyone here is outright condoning the actions of the Dean, and we are not the people to reach conclusions on how to remedy the solution.

And there does appear to be a separation of duties between the Dean of the COM and the Medical Selection Committee, as per LCME rules; the Dean picks the chair of the committee, and for the most part (and emphasis on the "MOST", if not 99.99% of the time), the committee decides on who is accepted. This does not fit well with your argument of how angry those people on Hold should feel (again, the MSC makes the decisions, not the Dean, and the current act deals with the Dean's actions). I would like to reiterate how the MSC disagrees with the Dean's actions, let's have at least some focus on this too.

With all due respect, and out of respect for the visitors who view the thread to learn more of the school, let's give the anti-UF sentiment a rest. If you don't agree with how they practice, then withdraw - simple as that. No offense, but let's stop whining over spilled milk.

Very well said Dendrite. Its individuals like you who make me eager to start UFCOM sooner rather than later. I only wish that certain individuals would refrain from school bashing simply because they've taken the admissions process too personally. These little personal agendas are, for lack of a better word, pathetic.

I think it’s safe to say that all of us respect each other’s opinions, but when people harvest such animosity for a school to the point of spreading false messages and misinformation...it is simply disheartening.

None of us should represent each other's school in a negative light that twists the reputation and character of the school's faculty and spirit. We all come here to learn, teach and discuss on these forums- not to engage in propaganda to harm or belittle our institutions. We choose different places, for different reasons, and the same could be said about admissions committees choosing applicants. We have no right to bash a school that rejected us, or accepted us but we rejected. These are professional matters and should be handled with the highest level of respect.

 

[Samus Aran]

guys, please try to keep your comments respectful of others and their opinions without being argumentative. this is not directed at anyone in particular, but just as a general reminder. thank you!! 🙂

 

[mikedc813]

Some of you guys seem to want to move on from this topic. I am fine with that. If anyone wants to respond to my thoughts, feel free to PM me.

Thank you. Move on.

 

[SwampGator]

Actually similar things dont happen at other med schools since the LCME put the kabosh on this in their rules a few years ago. From my inner-circle knowledge Admissions Committee decisions are godly and not over-ruled by administrators nor are there any "deals" or secret handshakes. For all of the perceived mysticism the decisions are on the up-and-up. A decision made by the committe is THE final decision. The UF thing is a very isolated incident and if the story is completely true, will be dealt with accordingly by the accreditation organization if it is within their purview. Let's wait and see what happens.

Not trying to flare up the argument that's been taking place, just asking a question as a potential student here. What are the repercussions that could take place as a result of the dean's actions?

 

[SwampGator]

I didn't say the exact same thing happens at other schools, I said similar things. Maybe a single person overruling an entire committee is an isolated incident...but I guarantee you that every application cycle, favors are called in, people are chosen based on connections as opposed to merit...heck, I wouldn't even be surprised if the occasional bribe is made. I don't know what inner-circle knowledge you have, but unless you've personally sat on multiple admissions committees at multiple schools for many years, then honestly, I'll go with my gut on this one. The fact is, it is human nature to look for shortcuts and loopholes rather than actually putting in the hard work. Not everyone does it...maybe not even most do...but there are a lot of cheaters. And if med school admissions is a competitive process that is free of corruption, then it is the only one I know of. My personal experience and observations just lead me to the common-sense conclusion that underhanded dealings DO take place.
You say you have more experience dealing with adcoms than I do, and I don't question that. But dirty politics is a fact of life. It permeates everything. If Little Timmy is a borderline applicant at University X, Tim's rich and powerful father doesn't have to sway an entire adcom...he just needs to find a connection on the adcom, (anyone of questionable ethics and/or close family or political ties will do), who can arrange to be Little Timmy's interviewer, and thus arrange to rave to the committee about what a wonderful doctor Little Timmy will make, despite his average grades. When it comes down to Bobby and Timmy, both having a 30 MCAT and a 3.6, then Timmy gets in 9 times out of ten. These things, I would imagine, are really not that hard to pull off for the powerful and well-connected. You think every Kennedy that ever went to Harvard law deserved it? Or every Bush that went to Yale? Yale no! So why would med school be any different? Oh, I know, because medicine is a noble, service-oriented profession and only saints are allowed in, right? That is, until UF was overtaken by the Dark Side.

Wow, I can't believe someone would insult REL. I think most of us are primarily concerned with the Florida schools, and REL has a pretty good handle on this; he's also more well versed on the rules and governing bodies of this process than anyone else on here. He's one of the few people on the inside of med school operations who actually takes time out of a very busy schedule to answer the questions of one of the biggest spas groups of people ever - premeds. I think he is owed more respect than he was given in this post or the one afterwards. Since there was no apology made, I would like to apologize, and ask that REL continue to frequent the boards and offer his advice.

 

[SwampGator]

😆Are you kidding me? Why can't UF simply be a tough school to get into- like Mayo, JHU, Duke, USF, UM, FSU or [fill in the blank]? Are you going to suggest that every school that rejects or delays you is elitist and arrogant? What makes you so special and deserving? If anything I think you're the one being arrogant.
"OMG I didn't get into Harvard! And you know why?! Because that entire school is corrupted! How could they overlook me, the GREAT AXLAX1?!"

Even if you were accepted to every single medical school on planet earth it doesn't guarantee anything, anywhere. And it certainly doesn't suggest that school's that don't accept you (atleast at first, because you haven't been rejected from UF) are corrupt. What else are you going to assume? That girls that don't date you are corrupt too? Getting it on with the Ivy or rich kids 🙄

In no way do I want to get involved in the spat between you two, but I'd like to voice my thoughts about my own personal experience with UF. First of all, UF is an exceptionally difficult school to gain admittance to, and yes, I am currently on hold. Going to undergrad here, you can't help but fall in love with the idea of going to med school here too. I thought I had amazing interviews and a solid application (If you're wondering about my numbers, they are above UF's averages), and was dumbfounded when I was put on HOLD. If this was the only instance I was aware of, then I would start to doubt myself and say, well, maybe my interviews weren't as strong as I thought, or application, etc. However, I have several friends, UF undergrads all, above average numbers, all on Hold. ??? I can't make sense of this, especially given the fact that friends with similar, and even lower numbers at other Florida schools were accepted. While I do not share AXLAX's sentiments or reasons of bitterness, I have become slightly bitter towards my school. I don't think this bitterness is entirely unfounded, I know this is a competitive process, but it stands to reason that if your numbers and experiences are on par, then I should have a pretty good shot. Also, for anyone who has interviewed at UF, you know how highly they regard themselves, and there are definitely reasons to be so proud. But, its just not very classy to talk about yourself; the positives of the school do a good enough job selling the school to students. Kind of like, if you're the best athlete on the field, you don't have to tell everyone else, because everyone already knows. I didn't realize this until after going on all my interviews, but its one of those things, that again, leaves a sour taste in my mouth. None of us know for sure whether or not UF chases Ivy Leaguers or the Dukies, or those from similar schools, but that is certainly the thought among all the UF premeds I know. Regardless of this, we'll see updates on out status within the next couple weeks, and we'll all know a little more about where we'll be heading.

 

[Jennifer5109]

So on another topic, I have way too much time on my hands since I have a year off - not that I'm complaining 😀. So I've been reading some books written by med students and residents. I'm currently reading On Call: A Doctor's Days and Nights in Residency. So far it's been pretty depressing, but I think it gives me a good idea what to expect if I want to go into an internal medicine residency at a hospital. Are there any other books that you would recommend? Better to read than get hooked on more useless TV shows!

 

[UFMed]

So on another topic, I have way too much time on my hands since I have a year off - not that I'm complaining 😀. So I've been reading some books written by med students and residents. I'm currently reading On Call: A Doctor's Days and Nights in Residency. So far it's been pretty depressing, but I think it gives me a good idea what to expect if I want to go into an internal medicine residency at a hospital. Are there any other books that you would recommend? Better to read than get hooked on more useless TV shows!

1) Hot Lights, Cold Steel
2) First, Do No Harm
3) Complications

The first details the life of an orthopedic surgery resident at Mayo. The second reveals many ethical dilemmas hospitals are faced with. The third faces a surgical resident's crazy cases.

I also read two that I didn't enjoy all that much:
1) House of God
2) Intern Blues.

Enjoy!

 

[Frida13]

This back and forth arguing is not helping anyone. Let's refocus.

I AGREE>>>>REFOCUS PEOPLE. Anyone know if USF and FSU are still calling applicants with INTERVIEW invites?

 

[xiaoyi666]

Book club suggestion....

Survival of the Sickest - Dr. Moalem

Less medical practice/experience related, more biological/genetic/evolution oriented. Some of the stuff blew my mind. The book was discussed on NPR last year so I'm sure quite a bit have read it but for those who havent.

 

[UFMed]

In no way do I want to get involved in the spat between you two, but I'd like to voice my thoughts about my own personal experience with UF. First of all, UF is an exceptionally difficult school to gain admittance to, and yes, I am currently on hold. Going to undergrad here, you can't help but fall in love with the idea of going to med school here too. I thought I had amazing interviews and a solid application (If you're wondering about my numbers, they are above UF's averages), and was dumbfounded when I was put on HOLD. If this was the only instance I was aware of, then I would start to doubt myself and say, well, maybe my interviews weren't as strong as I thought, or application, etc. However, I have several friends, UF undergrads all, above average numbers, all on Hold. ??? I can't make sense of this, especially given the fact that friends with similar, and even lower numbers at other Florida schools were accepted. While I do not share AXLAX's sentiments or reasons of bitterness, I have become slightly bitter towards my school. I don't think this bitterness is entirely unfounded, I know this is a competitive process, but it stands to reason that if your numbers and experiences are on par, then I should have a pretty good shot. Also, for anyone who has interviewed at UF, you know how highly they regard themselves, and there are definitely reasons to be so proud. But, its just not very classy to talk about yourself; the positives of the school do a good enough job selling the school to students. Kind of like, if you're the best athlete on the field, you don't have to tell everyone else, because everyone already knows. I didn't realize this until after going on all my interviews, but its one of those things, that again, leaves a sour taste in my mouth. None of us know for sure whether or not UF chases Ivy Leaguers or the Dukies, or those from similar schools, but that is certainly the thought among all the UF premeds I know. Regardless of this, we'll see updates on out status within the next couple weeks, and we'll all know a little more about where we'll be heading.

This roller coaster puts a lot of stress on an individual which can easily lead to self-doubt and bitterness. But just wait optimistically. Being put On Hold is not the same as being wait listed or rejected.
The committee will make a decision on your application very soon and you may be surprised with good news. Hopefully this will restore your faith in UF- and you'll get what you've worked hard to accomplish.

 

[mdgator]

Wow, I can't believe someone would insult REL. I think most of us are primarily concerned with the Florida schools, and REL has a pretty good handle on this; he's also more well versed on the rules and governing bodies of this process than anyone else on here. He's one of the few people on the inside of med school operations who actually takes time out of a very busy schedule to answer the questions of one of the biggest spas groups of people ever - premeds. I think he is owed more respect than he was given in this post or the one afterwards. Since there was no apology made, I would like to apologize, and ask that REL continue to frequent the boards and offer his advice.

I felt the need to respond to this post in case anyone else actually mistook my thoughts for being disrespectful or insulting.

I, too, appreciate REL and people like him who take the time to give guidance to the rest of us. I have no idea, swampgator, where your incenuation that I in any way insulted REL comes from. (Unless you consider it an insult to voice a different opinion.) And I do not know how you get the idea that I was disrespectful, especially since I explicitly stated that I respect REL's thoughts. However, I am aware that at times tone and intensity can be "lost in translation", so to speak, in an internet forum. So, if you, REL, or anyone else felt disrespected or insulted by anything I said, then let me say, I am sorry, that was not my intent.

I certainly hope that we can continue to voice our differing opinions as they arise, without anyone feeling personally insulted.

 

[mdgator]

I'm in my year off too and I've had plenty of time to read some great books. 3 awesome ones that I would recommend:

1) Hot Lights, Cold Steel
2) First, Do No Harm
3) Complications

The first details the life of an orthopedic surgery resident at Mayo. The second reveals many ethical dilemmas hospitals are faced with. The third faces a surgical resident's crazy cases.

I also read two that I didn't enjoy all that much:
1) House of God
2) Intern Blues.

Enjoy!

I pretty much completely agree. Hot Lights, Cold Steel was not only informative and interesting, but there were parts that made me laugh really hard.
Complications is really good, and I think that Dr. Gawande's second book, Better, was even....well...better!

I also did not particularly enjoy House of God or Intern Blues, but I have heard many others say that House of God is a must read.

 

[NewAndImproved]

When my buddies and I got accepted to UFCOM it looked something like this:
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Ahem...we are talking about this application year, right? So I assume you meant something like this:
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[UFMed]

 

[NewAndImproved]

Actually, I was accepted into last year's application cycle

I stand corrected. 🙂

 

[UFMed]

I stand corrected. 🙂

haha, no big deal. 🙂

 

[wally47]

This is what I felt like:

Because I am an underdog.(For those that don't know, It's Spud Webb, he's the shortest person to ever win the slam dunk contest at 5'7")

 

[gujuDoc]

good idea
does anyone know when we will start to hear from UF about being on hold...last years thread showed people starting to hear April 10 and 11

My friend is an applicant that had interviewed there and got on hold. She received and email from them saying they give their decisions starting the 15th to the 30th. so that's starting next Tuesday, a week from today.

That said, Mike, I agree that we need to refocus which is what I said a few posts above.

Let's just move on and try to remember this thread is for helping one another out and getting to know other fl. applicants in a positive way. 🙂

 

[lucybug]

There is something to be said for keeping your options open, but if you already feel that strongly about FSU, then I suspect that you will continue to feel that way.

I personally felt just the opposite about FSU when the app cycle began. I didn't even think I was going to apply there, at first. But I stopped by and visited the school and talked to a few people one day when I was in Tallahassee, and I really liked what I saw. So I applied, and when I interviewed, I absolutely LOVED everything about it...almost, at least. Now, I am pretty sure that that's where I will end up.

I have not actually ever spoken to anyone who had there heart set on FSU from the beginning. Most people only come to realize what an awesome school it is after they've seen it first hand, like I did. If you don't mind my asking, what is it that you like so much about FSU? Are you a student there? Live in the area? Or do you just really like their philosophy?

Anyway, good luck with the application process. It is loooong and trying. Just keep focused, work hard to get everything finished early, and stay positive!

Hey Mdgator,


My reasons for preferring FSUCOM are based first and foremost is the mission of the college. The school believes strongly in training physicians to focus in primary care. Growing up in rural area of Kentucky (underserved community) I have always felt a need to give back to a community similar to the one I grew up in. The students I have met seem helpful, sincere and all interesting in the same goal, which is becoming a well-rounded physician promoting a patient-centered philosophy. Additionally the facilities are amazing and the professors seem to have a genuine interest in educating the students and seem passionate about their job. The final reason is a personal one. My husband currently attends FSU College of Law. 🙂 Hope this help.

 

[gujuDoc]

Hey Mdgator,


My reasons for preferring FSUCOM are based first and foremost is the mission of the college. The school believes strongly in training physicians to focus in primary care. Growing up in rural area of Kentucky (underserved community) I have always felt a need to give back to a community similar to the one I grew up in. The students I have met seem helpful, sincere and all interesting in the same goal, which is becoming a well-rounded physician promoting a patient-centered philosophy. Additionally the facilities are amazing and the professors seem to have a genuine interest in educating the students and seem passionate about their job. The final reason is a personal one. My husband currently attends FSU College of Law. 🙂 Hope this help.

I think the bolded describes all the Fl. schools except maybe for some of the facilities at some of the schools.

But I understand esp. if you have family reasons.the only one think I'll say is don't assume just because you want to do rural healtcare now you'l want that at the end of 4 years in med school. A lot of pople say one thing before entering. More then 1/2 of them end up changing their mind at the end of 4 years.

 

[mdgator]

Hey Mdgator,


My reasons for preferring FSUCOM are based first and foremost is the mission of the college. The school believes strongly in training physicians to focus in primary care. Growing up in rural area of Kentucky (underserved community) I have always felt a need to give back to a community similar to the one I grew up in. The students I have met seem helpful, sincere and all interesting in the same goal, which is becoming a well-rounded physician promoting a patient-centered philosophy. Additionally the facilities are amazing and the professors seem to have a genuine interest in educating the students and seem passionate about their job. The final reason is a personal one. My husband currently attends FSU College of Law. 🙂 Hope this help.

Oh, see, your personal situation potentially adds a whole new dimension to your previous question about applying early decision at FSU. If your husband is tied to FSU for another year/two/three, then I would guess that you might not even seriously consider going anywhere else, at least for now. If this is the case, then maybe early decision is for you. You will have the opportunity to let the adcom know that you absoloutely have your heart set on FSU, which will give them a huge incentive to at least very carefully consider you if you're qualified. In addition, you'll know if you're in or not a lot sooner. I would say that if it is likely that you would rather put off school for another year or more than go to another school and have to spend time away from your husband, then early d. may be the way to go for you. I would not reccommend it for most students, but your situation is pretty unique.

 

[axlaxl1]

😆

Are you kidding me UFMED? It is time to get with the times. Who was the only school to win a bowl game in FLORIDA this year? That's right baby. WOOOH HOOOOT!!!!

LOL, you know this is hilarious. And for those of you who can't take me ribbing, chillax.

And to finally end this. UF was wrong in this situation and yes, I have a sour taste in my mouth from UF so what. I still think it is a top class school and I would love going there. If it wasn't for my love for UM. OVER AND OUT; ISSUE OFFICIALLY BEATEN TO DEATH.

 

[gujuDoc]

Are you kidding me UFMED? It is time to get with the times. Who was the only school to win a bowl game in FLORIDA this year? That's right baby. WOOOH HOOOOT!!!!

LOL, you know this is hilarious. And for those of you who can't take me ribbing, chillax.

And to finally end this. UF was wrong in this situation and yes, I have a sour taste in my mouth from UF so what. I still think it is a top class school and I would love going there. If it wasn't for my love for UM. OVER AND OUT; ISSUE OFFICIALLY BEATEN TO DEATH.

Dear god in heaven. I swear to god it is you who needs to take a chill pill.

To those waiting for decisions on April 15th from UF, good luck only a week left before decisions start going out.

To those of you who interviewed at USF or FSU in this past month, good luck to you.

To those of you who are waiting to get off waitlists anywhere, good luck to you.

To those of you who didn't get in this year, make an appt with the respective admissions directors and try to change up your application to do what they want.

To those of you considering masters programs and not applying next year while doing one, there's a new masters at USF that is based on the year 1and 2 curricula which is completely online via video streamlined lectures. Look into it along with others if you are considering a masters.

To Mike and REL,

Thanks for your important contributions on here from an adcom point of view.

To UFmed, thanks for being here as a med student to answer questions regarding UF.

 

[ankit999]

we almost won the NIT this year too!

who's waiting anxiously for uf within the next 2-3 weeks?

 

[wally47]

we almost won the NIT this year too!

who's waiting anxiously for uf within the next 2-3 weeks?

Doesn't NIT stand for Not In Tournament? Just playing I am a gator fan even though I didn't do my undergrad there.
I am hoping to hear some good news in the next 2-3 weeks. How many more acceptances do you think they will give out?

Didn't someone say they have already accepted about 120 thus far?

 

[gujuDoc]

we almost won the NIT this year too!

who's waiting anxiously for uf within the next 2-3 weeks?

A good of mine is waiting to hear back.

 

[medguy83]

Wow, I go on an SDN diet for a few weeks and I come back to mutiny on the FL thread. I think the whole UF scandal has been pretty much beaten to death, so I don't think I can offer anything else; except for the possibility that this whole fiasco might actually be beneficial. If G-ville is buzzing with this dean usurpation, then that definitely lends credence to the fact that situations like this are pretty rare. Granted, nepotism and politics will always have some minor part to play, and that's with every aspect of life.

Now to my question: Does anyone have any earthly idea when FSU starts moving their hold list? I have tried to be patient now for over 6 months, but now I'm starting to crack. Is it hopeless at this point? I know they start in only 7 weeks, and I've been told they hand out offers even through May, but how on earth could I be expected to find a place to live, arrange loans, insurance, etc. in a matter of days should it come to that?? I just pray they call me soon before I go insane with frustration

 

[Biscuit799]

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[Jennifer5109]

I'm in my year off too and I've had plenty of time to read some great books. 3 awesome ones that I would recommend:

1) Hot Lights, Cold Steel
2) First, Do No Harm
3) Complications

The first details the life of an orthopedic surgery resident at Mayo. The second reveals many ethical dilemmas hospitals are faced with. The third faces a surgical resident's crazy cases.

I also read two that I didn't enjoy all that much:
1) House of God
2) Intern Blues.

Enjoy!

Thank you for the recommendations. I read First, Do No Harm in high school. That book really makes you think. I haven't read the others so I'm eager to check them out.

 

[greg1184]

If you people (you know who you are) won't quit pissing on my Florida thread, I will PM a mod to lock this thread and give Florida a break for a little while. I have waited this out, and enough is enough.

Carry on and talk about RELEVANT information and quit talking smack, pissing on other people's schools.

 

[ankit999]

Doesn't NIT stand for Not In Tournament? Just playing I am a gator fan even though I didn't do my undergrad there.
I am hoping to hear some good news in the next 2-3 weeks. How many more acceptances do you think they will give out?

Didn't someone say they have already accepted about 120 thus far?

i was being sarcastic with the NIT comment, although it would have been sweet to go all the way. I thought that maybe they had 50% to 75% of their class full, and that the remaining 50-25% would be filled in april. Correct me if im wrong, but i was under the impression that most of their acceptances come in april? i may be wrong though. Gluck

 

[DrDuber]

I know this book likely does not interest most of the people out there but On Call in Hell is a book anybody interested in military medicine must read. Anyone who is just interested in a good read should read it as well.

 

[SwampGator]

I felt the need to respond to this post in case anyone else actually mistook my thoughts for being disrespectful or insulting.

I, too, appreciate REL and people like him who take the time to give guidance to the rest of us. I have no idea, swampgator, where your incenuation that I in any way insulted REL comes from. (Unless you consider it an insult to voice a different opinion.) And I do not know how you get the idea that I was disrespectful, especially since I explicitly stated that I respect REL's thoughts. However, I am aware that at times tone and intensity can be "lost in translation", so to speak, in an internet forum. So, if you, REL, or anyone else felt disrespected or insulted by anything I said, then let me say, I am sorry, that was not my intent.

I certainly hope that we can continue to voice our differing opinions as they arise, without anyone feeling personally insulted.

Sorry to jump on you, tone really does have a hard time carrying over to written language. No hard feelings.