Florida State Licensure/Boards

[Lemming]

I'm wondering if anyone has heard any current news, gossip, discussion about Florida accepting any regional boards or licensure by credential anytime soon. Or is Florida sticking to their guns and hanging tight with their Florida boards only policy. Thanks for any information in advance.

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[esclavo]

I'm wondering if anyone has heard any current news, gossip, discussion about Florida accepting any regional boards or licensure by credential anytime soon. Or is Florida sticking to their guns and hanging tight with their Florida boards only policy. Thanks for any information in advance.

It's official.... Florida is the number one most ridiculous place to get a dental license.... there used to be some competition between Nevada and California but Florida has pulled a head as the "clear leader" in how "ridiculous, crooked, and scamming it can be to get a dental license".... it has no peer...

 

[SuperC]

Actually the Florida boards systme is perfet. Why you ask?

In the state of Flroida we are not lacking in dental health care providers. In the end us Florida dentists (dentists to be) benifit from making it difficult for dentists from other states practicing here. In the end it keeps our competition low.

I am sure that if something happend where our dental professionals did not have the capacity to serve the FL population they would change the laws.

In the end:
These laws are a benifit for practitioners in keeping every dentist with a heart beat out of Florida.

These laws benifit the population by maintaining the high standards of practice that we have here

As for the OP: Is it going to change? From what I have heard, No.

-C

 

[Lemming]

Actually the Florida boards systme is perfet. Why you ask?

In the state of Flroida we are not lacking in dental health care providers. In the end us Florida dentists (dentists to be) benifit from making it difficult for dentists from other states practicing here. In the end it keeps our competition low.

I am sure that if something happend where our dental professionals did not have the capacity to serve the FL population they would change the laws.

In the end:
These laws are a benifit for practitioners in keeping every dentist with a heart beat out of Florida.

These laws benifit the population by maintaining the high standards of practice that we have here

As for the OP: Is it going to change? From what I have heard, No.

-C

Thanks. I ask because I am now considering whether to interview at Nova or not. My significant other would (who took WREB's) would have to become licensed in FL to practice...something she doesn't want to go through again if possible. It is a consideration I must make as I decide on a program. Just trying to glean any information, as I thought I had heard somewhere previously that FL was considering joining a regional board...but maybe I didn't😉

 

[SuperC]

Remeber I, by no means, am the final athority on this subject. Apparently is was/is being considered, but from what I understand dentists are against it becuase of the afore mentioned reasons. From what I have heard in class, it does not sound like is is going to happen, but I guess it could. That being said, I don't think I would count on it.

-C

 

[DrJeff]

In general the #1 key to getting a Florida license is where your zipcode is on the application. Basically, if your a Florida resident, the chances of you getting a Florida license are very good - clinical skills while a factor aren't the biggest of issues. Non Florida residents have a much tougher time of getting a Florida license and the reciprocity clause that many states go by isn't in play in Florida (i.e. if you've been practicing in a NERB state for 5+ years and want to go practice in a WREB state, the WREB will state will grant you a license based on reciprocity without having to take the WREB's.

What Florida is worried about is a competition factor, in that they think that a huge number of retiring dentists would come to Florida and open up a practice (for atleast couple of days a week) and flood the market. In reality, what would happen, is sure a few folks would come to Florida and practice part time, but dentistry being a business, if the demand (and the $$ isn't there), things would self correct.

I've got my secret in though if I ever wanted to practice in Florida, I'd just "move" to my parents residence in Port Charlotte and use that as my address😉 😀 🙄

 

[Lemming]

In general the #1 key to getting a Florida license is where your zipcode is on the application. Basically, if your a Florida resident, the chances of you getting a Florida license are very good - clinical skills while a factor aren't the biggest of issues. Non Florida residents have a much tougher time of getting a Florida license and the reciprocity clause that many states go by isn't in play in Florida (i.e. if you've been practicing in a NERB state for 5+ years and want to go practice in a WREB state, the WREB will state will grant you a license based on reciprocity without having to take the WREB's.

What Florida is worried about is a competition factor, in that they think that a huge number of retiring dentists would come to Florida and open up a practice (for atleast couple of days a week) and flood the market. In reality, what would happen, is sure a few folks would come to Florida and practice part time, but dentistry being a business, if the demand (and the $$ isn't there), things would self correct.

I've got my secret in though if I ever wanted to practice in Florida, I'd just "move" to my parents residence in Port Charlotte and use that as my address😉 😀 🙄

Do you mind if we "move in" with your parents?😉

On a serious note though, when you say that it is easier for a Florida resident to get a license, how is this so? Don't you take the same boards/clinical exams either way, or are there other objective factors that are considered?

 

[SuperC]

From: http://www.doh.state.fl.us/MQA/dentistry/dn_lic_req.html#Dentistry


Dentistry

An applicant shall be entitled to take the examination required in this section to practice dentistry in Florida if he/she:

* Is 18 years of age or older;
* Is a graduate of a dental school accredited by the Commission on Accreditation of the American Dental Association or its successor agency, if any, or any other nationally recognized accrediting agency; or is a dental student in the final year of a program at such an accredited school who has completed all the coursework necessary to prepare the student to perform the clinical and diagnostic procedures required to pass the examinations. With respect to a dental student in the final year of a program at a dental school, a passing score on the examinations is valid for 180 days after the date the examinations were completed. A dental school student who takes the licensure examinations during the student’s final year of an approved dental school must have graduated before being certified for licensure pursuant to s. 466.011, F.S.;
* Has successfully completed the American Dental Association National Board of Dental Examiners dental examination, Parts I and II, within 10 years of the date of application. If scores are older than ten years, must retake clinical examination (Part II).

If an applicant is a graduate of a dental college or school not accredited by the Commission on Accreditation of American Dental Association or of a dental college or school not approved by the board, he shall not be entitled to take the examination required in this section to practice dentistry until he/she:

* Completes a program of study, as defined by the board by rule, at an accredited American dental school and demonstrates receipt of a D.D.S. or D.M.D. from said school; or
* Completes a 2-year supplemental dental education program at an accredited dental school and receives a dental diploma, degree, or certificate as evidence of program completion.

Once qualified, an applicant must successfully complete the following to be licensed as a dentist in this state:

* A written examination on the laws an rules of the state regulating the practice of dentistry;
* A practical or clinical examination, which shall be administered and graded by dentists licensed in this state and employed by the department for just such purpose.

The practical examination shall include:

* Two restorations, and the board by rule shall determine the class of such restorations and whether they shall be performed on mannequins, live patients. or both. At least one restoration shall be on a live patient;
* A demonstration of periodontal skills on a live patient.
* A demonstration of prosthetics and restorative skills in complete and partial dentures and crowns and bridges and the utilization of practical methods of evaluation, specifically including the evaluation by the candidate of completed laboratory products such as, but not limited to, crowns and inlays filled to prepared model teeth.
* A demonstration of restorative skills on a mannequin which requires the candidate to complete procedures performed in preparation for a cast restoration; and
* A demonstration of endodontic skills.

If the applicant fails to pass the clinical examination in three attempts, he/she shall not be eligible for reexamination unless he/she completes additional educational requirements established by the board.

o The board may by rule provide for additional procedures which are to be tested, provided such procedures shall be common to the practice of general dentistry. The board by rule shall determine the passing grade for each procedure and the acceptable variation for examiners.

 

[DrJeff]

Do you mind if we "move in" with your parents?😉

On a serious note though, when you say that it is easier for a Florida resident to get a license, how is this so? Don't you take the same boards/clinical exams either way, or are there other objective factors that are considered?

There are both objective and subjective issues that go around with licensure. One of the big reasons why the ADA is pushing for a national licensure system.

 

[Lemming]

There are both objective and subjective issues that go around with licensure. One of the big reasons why the ADA is pushing for a national licensure system.

Thanks to both of you for your info. I have read all the requirements for licensure, and how to be elgible for licensure, but I don't "get" what these subjective issues are.

Do you means that "X" Florida resident will have their clinical exam requirements reviewed less stringently than "Y" out of state applicant because the reviewers are from Florida? Maybe if you gave an example of how it is harder to get a Florida license if you are from out of state it might help, because it looks like you go through the same tests regardless of where you are from.

 

[esclavo]

Thanks to both of you for your info. I have read all the requirements for licensure, and how to be elgible for licensure, but I don't "get" what these subjective issues are.

Do you means that "X" Florida resident will have their clinical exam requirements reviewed less stringently than "Y" out of state applicant because the reviewers are from Florida? Maybe if you gave an example of how it is harder to get a Florida license if you are from out of state it might help, because it looks like you go through the same tests regardless of where you are from.

It is called subjective because most people who take this special little "board Prep Course" seem to amazing have incredible high pass rates on the Florida boards. People who prepare on their own and take the Florida boards seem to not pass board at any reasonable percentage. Interesting that the state dental board seems to run the review course and collect thousands of dollars from each review course attendant.... hmmmm sounds fishy. Sounds like a payoff to me.

 

[S Files]

In the end:
These laws are a benifit for practitioners in keeping every dentist with a heart beat out of Florida.

These laws benifit the population by maintaining the high standards of practice that we have here

As for the OP: Is it going to change? From what I have heard, No.

-C

agree with #s 1 and 3. but maintaining the high standards of practice?? please provide some evidence that can back up this claim? does 1 regional board produce higher standards of practice than another? to the contrary i read that the 1 yr PGY residency produces higher standards than any board exam could ever dream of. much less the florida exam where the main factor is paying big time payola for a prep course that basically guarantees a pass.

 

[SuperC]

agree with #s 1 and 3. but maintaining the high standards of practice?? please provide some evidence that can back up this claim? does 1 regional board produce higher standards of practice than another? to the contrary i read that the 1 yr PGY residency produces higher standards than any board exam could ever dream of. much less the florida exam where the main factor is paying big time payola for a prep course that basically guarantees a pass.

I will be honest, this is a very opinionated statement. I am not personally aware, however, of any studies that show that pgy produces any better dentists than the Florida system. I will also say that by governing our own affairs we can maintain the standards that we determine important.

I guess, in the end, I am partial to the system that we have here simply because I feel that the system protects the practioners in Florida. I also feel the becuase UF is designed to prepare us for the state boards, and we generally do extreamely well on the national boards (usually top 10, last year I think top 5) this suggests that compared to our state counter parts we size up pretty well.

-C

 

[Jaybe]

I will also say that by governing our own affairs we can maintain the standards that we determine important.

Dude, dental board exams are politically entrenched entities that DO NOT guarantee or maintain any sort of "Standards" for their state (region).

Do you think doing an easy Class 2 and even easier class 3 is enough information for a board to determine if you are "Competent"? Do you think doing a crown prep on a typodont somehow demonstrates adherence to your perceived "Standards"? What about doing some silly endo exercise on extracted teeth? Would you be satisfied to let a dentist perform endo on you if the only criteria the FL board utilized was their ability to file out an extracted tooth? What about probing and scaling a little calculus off a patient's teeth? Does that somehow demonstrate "competence" as a dentist? These boards license applicant's based on their performance in some of the easiest tasks in dentistry, many of which aren't even performed on patients anymore. To argue that these exams maintain some clinical standard is ridiculous.

The national licensing system is far from perfect, and Florida appears to be the Farthest of the Far (from perfect).

 

[GatorDMD]

It is called subjective because most people who take this special little "board Prep Course" seem to amazing have incredible high pass rates on the Florida boards. People who prepare on their own and take the Florida boards seem to not pass board at any reasonable percentage. Interesting that the state dental board seems to run the review course and collect thousands of dollars from each review course attendant.... hmmmm sounds fishy. Sounds like a payoff to me.

I think the FL schools just prepare the students for this exam as western schools prepare their students for WREB. I did not practice or take prep course but i went to UF and I passed. I think they are pretty good in prepping us over the clinical years. my 2 cents.

 

[GatorDMD]

1. I am glad i got my FL License

2. ITS GREAT TO BE- A F-L-O-R-I-D-A GATOR!!!!!

3. 😛

Dude, dental board exams are politically entrenched entities that DO NOT guarantee or maintain any sort of "Standards" for their state (region).

Do you think doing an easy Class 2 and even easier class 3 is enough information for a board to determine if you are "Competent"? Do you think doing a crown prep on a typodont somehow demonstrates adherence to your perceived "Standards"? What about doing some silly endo exercise on extracted teeth? Would you be satisfied to let a dentist perform endo on you if the only criteria the FL board utilized was their ability to file out an extracted tooth? What about probing and scaling a little calculus off a patient's teeth? Does that somehow demonstrate "competence" as a dentist? These boards license applicant's based on their performance in some of the easiest tasks in dentistry, many of which aren't even performed on patients anymore. To argue that these exams maintain some clinical standard is ridiculous.

The national licensing system is far from perfect, and Florida appears to be the Farthest of the Far (from perfect).

 

[OMFSdoc]

Florida licensure is the dumbest thing in the world. Here's why.....If an endodontist who has been practicing for 10 years decides to move to florida, he/she has to re-learn how to do cavity and crown preps so that he can pass their stupid test only to go back to practicing endo. This is the case for any dentist or specialist from any state moving to Fl. It makes no sense. If you're good enough in one state in America, why aren't you good enough for Florida? It all comes down to $$$. While medicine has it's own problems, it's licensure exams are national and not state by state. While they have state licensing boards, they don't have separate exams. That's just DUMB. Florida's licensure laws suck because they make no sense.

 

[Bifid Uvula]

It is called subjective because most people who take this special little "board Prep Course" seem to amazing have incredible high pass rates on the Florida boards. People who prepare on their own and take the Florida boards seem to not pass board at any reasonable percentage. Interesting that the state dental board seems to run the review course and collect thousands of dollars from each review course attendant.... hmmmm sounds fishy. Sounds like a payoff to me.

I took the course this fall, and the boards... They told us when we took the course that the Out of State Pass rate without the course is somewhere in the range of 12-15%!!!!!! Those who take the course are in the 90-95% pass rate on the first try.

Pretty Crazy! The thing is, the course is not run by the state, but the guys that run the 2 "competing courses" have a lot of connections with the state boards, and it does make one wonder if there are any kickbacks...

By the way, the courses are REALLY expensive, but I don't think I would have survived without it. The system sucks, but don't chance it... take the course!

Lastly, I think the whole idea of keeping dentists out of the state of FL is crap. There is plenty of work to go around for everyone, and more so than what can be met. Granted, deep down inside I do feel "that I went through hell to get my license, why shouldn't joe-schmo have to do the same"... but truthfully the boards are ridiculous and in no way a true measure of someone's clinical skills.

 

[Jaybe]

What I find most humorous is the arrogant assumption that every dentist in the country would immediately move to Florida if they made their licensure requirements reasonable. Personally, I don't think that is the case.

While I agree that the average New Yorker would probably rather move to Florida than Wyoming, I don't believe that the average New Yorker would rather move to Florida than Chicago. Yet Illinois has a very reasonable licensure policy, offering reciprocity to every state. While Florida maintains its onerous licensure debacle.

 

[Bifid Uvula]

Licensure should be open to any graduate of an Accredited Dental School or Post Graduate Residency.

Personally, I believe if they are so "concerned with the standard of care of dentistry in Florida" they should move to requiring a 1 year residency. There is a hell of a lot more value in a residency compared to basically forcing someone to take a board-prep course. The prep-course teaches you nothing more than how to make things look good for the examiners.

They are boneheads in the FL state boards. Especially some of the dentists on a "power-trip" when they become "clinical examiners/floor examiners"

 

[ufsucks]

Florida is now accepting the NERB. Hope that helps

 

[ufsucks]

Oh, I forgot to say something important: in my honest opinion, Nova is 100% better of a school than UF. I saw that you are thinking of applying to Nova--definitely go there instead.

 

[danhook]

UF is 100x worse huh?is that why we are 5th in grants funding and have had a 100% pass rate for the last five years- yup also 5th ranked in that category. Where was Nova on that one? I can say that the grant ranking is below 45th, and the pass rate isnt all that great... Also on what basis have you found the Florida accepting NERB? Please post a link to the information. Thanks

 

[ufsucks]

"danhook"... Unfortunately, my friend, you don't have all your facts straight. Obviously you are not an upperclassman who has the kind of experience to understand what the heck I am talking about. And as for the NERB--it's 100% fact. If you don't believe me, ask any of our senior class or go straight to our clinical director, Dr. R. Maybe he can shed some light on that mind of yours.

 

[DrJeff]

" And as for the NERB--it's 100% fact. If you don't believe me, ask any of our senior class or go straight to our clinical director, Dr. R. Maybe he can shed some light on that mind of yours.

Wow, your info about Florida is so new that it's not even on the official NERB web page:

States Accepting the NERB Examination

If you don't see the NERB menu click here.



States/Jurisdictions - NERB Participating

If you have any question about licensing requirements of a particular state, please call the state board directly. NERB does not have information on licensing requirements of individual states.

CONNECTICUT - 860-509-8388
Mr. Stephen Carragher
Health Program Supervisor
Connecticut Department of Public Health
410 Capitol Ave., MS #12 APP
P.O. Box 340308
Hartford, CT 06134-0308
FAX: 860-509-8457
http://www.dph.state.ct.us

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA - 202-724-8745
Mr. Maulid "Mo" Miskell
Administrator
Department of Health
DC Board of Dentistry
717 14th Street, NW
Suite 600
Washington, DC 20005
FAX: 202-727-8471
http://www.dchealth.dc.gov/index.asp

ILLINOIS - 217-782-8556
Ms. Patty Eubanks
Administrator
Department of Regulation & Education
Illinois State Board of Dentistry
320 W. Washington, 3rd Floor
Springfield, IL 62786
FAX: 217-782-7645
http://www.dpr.state.il.us/

INDIANA – 317-234-2057
Ms. Shelly Mazo
Board Director
Indiana State Board of Dentistry
402 W. Washington St., Rm. W072
Indianapolis, IN 46204
FAX: 317-233-4236
http://www.in.gov/pla/bandc/isbd

MAINE - 207-287-3333
Ms. Anita Merrow
Executive Secretary
Maine Board of Dental Examiners
143 State House Station
Augusta, ME 04333
FAX: 207-287-8140
http://www.licenseverification.com/medental/

MARYLAND - 410-402-8518
Dr. Eric Katkow
Executive Director
Maryland State Board of Dental Examiners
The Benjamin Rush Building
Spring Grove Hospital Center
55 Wade Avenue
Baltimore, MD 21228
FAX: 410-402-8505
http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/dental/

MASSACHUSETTS - 617-973-0973
Ms. Marcia Miller
Executive Director
Massachusetts Board of Dentistry
239 Causeway Street, 5th Floor
Boston, MA 02114
FAX: 617-727-2197
http://www.mass.gov/dpl/boards/dn/dn/

MICHIGAN - 517-373-9102
Mr. Rae Ramsdell
Licensing Division Director
Michigan Board of Dentistry
Department of Community Health
P.O. Box 30670
Lansing, MI 48909-8170
FAX: 517-373-2179
www.michigan.gov/healthlicense

NEW HAMPSHIRE - 603-271-4561
Dr. Raymond J. Jarvis
Executive Secretary
New Hampshire Board of Dental Examiners
2 Industrial Park Drive
Concord, NH 03301--8520
FAX: 603-271-6702
http://webster.state.nh.us/dental/

NEW JERSEY - 973-504-6405
Mr. Kevin B. Earle
Executive Director
New Jersey State Board for Dentistry
124 Halsey St., 6th Floor
P.O. Box 45005
Newark, NJ 07101
FAX: 973-273-8075
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/medical.htm

NEW YORK - 518-474-3817 x550
Dr. Milton L. Lawney
Executive Secretary
New York State Board for Dentistry
89 Washington Avenue
Second Floor - West Wing
Albany, NY 12234--1000
FAX: 518-473-6995
http://www.op.nysed.gov/

OHIO - 614-466-2580
Lili C. Reitz, Esq.
Executive Director
Ohio State Dental Board
77 South High Street, 18th Floor
Columbus, OH 43266--0306
FAX: 614-752-8995
http://www.dental.ohio.gov/

PENNSYLVANIA - 717-737-7422
Ms. Lisa Burns
Board Administrator
Pennsylvania State Board of Dentistry
Box 2649
Harrisburg, PA 17105
FAX: 717-787-7769
http://www.dos.state.pa.us/dent

RHODE ISLAND - 401-222-2151
Ms. Gail Giuliano
Administrator
Rhode Island State Board of Examiners in Dentistry
Three Capitol Hill
Room 404
Providence, RI 02908--5097
FAX: 401-222-1272
http://www.health.state.ri.us/

VERMONT - 802-828-2390
Ms. Diane W. Lafaille
Executive Secretary
Vermont Board of Dental Examiners
Office of the Secretary of State
26 Terrace Street, Drawer 09
Montpelier, VT 05609--1106
FAX: 802-828-2465
http://vtprofessionals.org/opr1/dentists/

WEST VIRGINIA - 304-252-8266
Mr. Marc L. Harman
Executive Secretary
West Virginia Board of Dental Examiners
207 South Heber Street
Beckley, WV 25801
FAX: 304-253-9454
http://www.wvdentalboard.org/


States/Jurisdictions - Recognizing

If you have any question about licensing requirements of a particular state, please call the state board directly. NERB does not have information on licensing requirements of individual states. This list may be incomplete. You are encouraged to check directly with the state dental board in question.
COLORADO BOARD OF DENTAL EXAMINERS - 303-894-7758
1560 Broadway, Suite 1310
Denver, CO 80202
http://www.dora.state.co.us/dental/.

Kansas Dental Board - 785-296-6400
900 SW Jackson, Rm. 564-S
Topeka, Kansas 66612-1230
http://www.accesskansas.org/kdb/
Kentucky Board of Dentistry - 502-423-0573
10101 Linn Station Rd. #540
Louisville, Kentucky 40223
http://dentistry.state.ky.us/
LOUISIANA STATE BOARD OF DENTISTRY - 504-568-8574
One Canal Place
365 Canal Street, Suite 2680
New Orleans, LA 70130
http://www.lsbd.org/
Minnesota Board of Dentistry - 612-617-2250
2829 University Ave, SE
Suite 450
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55414
http://www.dentalboard.state.mn.us/
Missouri Dental Board - 573-751-0040
3605 Missouri Blvd.
P.O. Box 1367
Jefferson City, Missouri 65102-1367
http://pr.mo.gov/
Nebraska Dept. of Health and Human Services - 402-471-0166
Regulation and Licensure
P.O. Box 95007
Lincoln, Nebraska 68509-5007
http://www.hhs.state.ne.us/
Utah Board of Dentists and Dental Hygienists - 801-530-6628
Division of Occupation and Professional Licensing
P.O. Box 146741
Salt Lake City, Utah 84114-6741
http://www.dopl.utah.gov/licensing/dental.html

VIRGINIA BOARD OF DENTISTRY - 804-662-9906
6603 West Broad St., 5th Fl.
Richmond, VA 23230-1712
http://www.dhp.state.va.us/dentistry/


States/Jurisdictions - Conditionally Recognizing

If you have any question about licensing requirements of a particular state, please call the state board directly. NERB does not have information on licensing requirements of individual states. This list may be incomplete. You are encouraged to check directly with the state dental board in question.

aRIZONA STATE BOARD OF DENTAL EXAMINERS - 602-242-1492
5060 North 19th Avenue, Ste 406
Phoenix, AZ 85015
http://www.azdentalboard.org/

Washington Dental Quality Assurance Commission - 360-236-4700
Health Professions Quality Assurance
Customer Service Center
PO Box 47865
Olympia WA 98504
https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/hpqa1/HPS3/Dental/default.htm



Additionally I talked with one of my friends who happens to be a NERB examiner today and the Florida acceptance of the NERB was news to him too😕

 

[danhook]

I dont mean to cause uproar on sdn... but I do know that I go to school in Florida and I am sure that I would know if anything was going on as far as acceptance from the wonderful NERB... Your right I am not a senior or junior but before I talk I try to have facts straight and info to back it up... something I would have at least thought the northern schools would have taught.-thanks for the post!!!! By the way you know its over when Dr. Jeff backs you up!

 

[danhook]

Also as a side note- all of the people complaining about the Florida license system, sorry about your luck, I had to move here 3 years ago to make a new life and start over- FL knows its a place people want to live and wants the dental presence to be there for a longer commit than a few years and just retirement. Like I have eluded to before- UFsucks just got rejected here, and has to worry about the way the NERB has protected their right to work where they attended school.

 

[Jaybe]

Also as a side note- all of the people complaining about the Florida license system, sorry about your luck, I had to move here 3 years ago to make a new life and start over- FL knows its a place people want to live and wants the dental presence to be there for a longer commit than a few years and just retirement. Like I have eluded to before- UFsucks just got rejected here, and has to worry about the way the NERB has protected their right to work where they attended school.

Oh you Florida people can be such dingleberries. . .

Your onerous licensing system is fairly easy to penetrate - all you do is drop $6000 and you have a 90% pass rate. This will get you one of the review courses, exam fees, and the necessary patients. The point is that Florida does redickyouless things like never offer reciprocity. They are dingleberries, simply put.

Anyone that wants to practice in Florida, or any other state for that matter, will be able to do it. The question is whether or not a state board should be such jerks to the rest of the country. In the case of Florida, they have historically been over the top in their attempts at isolationism.

 

[danhook]

This discussion can get so out of hand. The concept is simple, we know the system is not inpenitrable- its not supposed to be a lock out. What it does is provide us as future practitioners some added job security. They simply do not want people to abuse the system. There are ways around it yes, there are supposed to be this insures a person that moves to Florida cares about Florida. I was personally born in Michigan and realized I wanted to practice in Florida. I had to leave the University of Michigan undergrad, transfer to UF for my final two years and pay out of state tuition! I am now an in state for DS and realize the taxpayers(and tourists ) are covering 70% of my tuition, it is just as much an investment for the state of florida as it is for me. If you are so jealous then move here, chances are you can do it and will love it. Why put up a barrier? To protect an investment. Chances are you put your money in a bank right? instead of all that work why dont you just leave it at your bus stop for safe keeping- it will be easier and quicker right? You get the point and it is for this reason most of us dont have a state income tax- we have set it up right to make enough cash from tourism that we dont need it, isnt that setting up your money correctly?

 

[ufsucks]

Okay, I understand that you are both huffing and puffing that I have "dared" to insult UF, but it is all true. And it certainly doesn't mean I don't have the facts straight. I AM a current UF student, not some "UF reject" like danhook would like to think. This is the first year that the Florida Department of Health is having the NERB administer our dental licensure examination. I am assuming you have heard of the Florida Department of Health?

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1st piece of proof that our UF class is taking the NERBS is an email sent to our class last week by the UF clinical director himself:

Boyd Robinson
Add to address book
To:%CLASS2007 %CLASS2007 <%Class2007IEDP_Offsite %Class2007IEDP_Offsite <%[email protected]> CC😀ate:Sat Feb 03 13:15:06 EST 2007 Subject:NERB EXAM A question came up the other day about your class taking the NERBS and getting patients. I wanted to share one response that I got from a friend who teaches at VCU. He has been their rep to the state boards, but had limited knowledge of the current board set up. His advise is sound for anyone taking a different board. Each board will have it's own set of rules and board prep courses.

Have a great day.
Dr. R


I don't know anything about the current NERB exam - although the state of Virginia accepts all 4 major Regional Boards, we do not offer it here at VCU. NERB is now under the umbrella of ADEX - an entity that claims to offer the only National Dental Licensure Exam. A whole lot of messy politics involved. My advice to your student would be to first go to
the NERB Website to get the exact info and particulars; call the NERB office with any questions; find out where NERBs are given and decide which institution he/she wants to go to to take the NERBs. Once they determine which site, there is usually a POC individual at an institution to call and ask about getting patients; logistics; etc. Hope this helps. We
have lots of out of state folks that come here to take SRTA or WREB and they link up with our POC and go from there.

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2nd, more important, piece of information straight from the FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH: Here is the link to the application website:
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/MQA/dentistry/dn_applications.html

Open it up, and take a look. The Florida licensure examination is being given by NERB this year. Application made out to NERB. Check made out to NERB. WE ARE TAKING THE NERB!!!! Glad to be able to enlighten you.

 

[Jaybe]

Now all the Florida isolationists will start to see that they really didn't need all these crazy rules to give them "job security".

Hopefully they will begin giving reciprocity, as well. If they don't, I say all the other 49 states should refuse reciprocity specifically to Florida licensed dentists (and maybe Delaware and California). Believe it or not, plenty of dentists move to practice in other states FROM Florida.

Okay, I understand that you are both huffing and puffing that I have "dared" to insult UF, but it is all true. And it certainly doesn't mean I don't have the facts straight. I AM a current UF student, not some "UF reject" like danhook would like to think. This is the first year that the Florida Department of Health is having the NERB administer our dental licensure examination. I am assuming you have heard of the Florida Department of Health?

---------------------------------
1st piece of proof that our UF class is taking the NERBS is an email sent to our class last week by the UF clinical director himself:

Boyd Robinson
Add to address book
To:%CLASS2007 %CLASS2007 <%Class2007IEDP_Offsite %Class2007IEDP_Offsite <%[email protected]> CC😀ate:Sat Feb 03 13:15:06 EST 2007 Subject:NERB EXAM A question came up the other day about your class taking the NERBS and getting patients. I wanted to share one response that I got from a friend who teaches at VCU. He has been their rep to the state boards, but had limited knowledge of the current board set up. His advise is sound for anyone taking a different board. Each board will have it's own set of rules and board prep courses.

Have a great day.
Dr. R


I don't know anything about the current NERB exam - although the state of Virginia accepts all 4 major Regional Boards, we do not offer it here at VCU. NERB is now under the umbrella of ADEX - an entity that claims to offer the only National Dental Licensure Exam. A whole lot of messy politics involved. My advice to your student would be to first go to
the NERB Website to get the exact info and particulars; call the NERB office with any questions; find out where NERBs are given and decide which institution he/she wants to go to to take the NERBs. Once they determine which site, there is usually a POC individual at an institution to call and ask about getting patients; logistics; etc. Hope this helps. We
have lots of out of state folks that come here to take SRTA or WREB and they link up with our POC and go from there.

---------
2nd, more important, piece of information straight from the FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH: Here is the link to the application website:
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/MQA/dentistry/dn_applications.html

Open it up, and take a look. The Florida licensure examination is being given by NERB this year. Application made out to NERB. Check made out to NERB. WE ARE TAKING THE NERB!!!! Glad to be able to enlighten you.

 

[Lemming]

Okay, I understand that you are both huffing and puffing that I have "dared" to insult UF, but it is all true. And it certainly doesn't mean I don't have the facts straight. I AM a current UF student, not some "UF reject" like danhook would like to think. This is the first year that the Florida Department of Health is having the NERB administer our dental licensure examination. I am assuming you have heard of the Florida Department of Health?

---------------------------------
1st piece of proof that our UF class is taking the NERBS is an email sent to our class last week by the UF clinical director himself:

Boyd Robinson
Add to address book
To:%CLASS2007 %CLASS2007 <%Class2007IEDP_Offsite %Class2007IEDP_Offsite <%[email protected]> CC😀ate:Sat Feb 03 13:15:06 EST 2007 Subject:NERB EXAM A question came up the other day about your class taking the NERBS and getting patients. I wanted to share one response that I got from a friend who teaches at VCU. He has been their rep to the state boards, but had limited knowledge of the current board set up. His advise is sound for anyone taking a different board. Each board will have it's own set of rules and board prep courses.

Have a great day.
Dr. R


I don't know anything about the current NERB exam - although the state of Virginia accepts all 4 major Regional Boards, we do not offer it here at VCU. NERB is now under the umbrella of ADEX - an entity that claims to offer the only National Dental Licensure Exam. A whole lot of messy politics involved. My advice to your student would be to first go to
the NERB Website to get the exact info and particulars; call the NERB office with any questions; find out where NERBs are given and decide which institution he/she wants to go to to take the NERBs. Once they determine which site, there is usually a POC individual at an institution to call and ask about getting patients; logistics; etc. Hope this helps. We
have lots of out of state folks that come here to take SRTA or WREB and they link up with our POC and go from there.

---------
2nd, more important, piece of information straight from the FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH: Here is the link to the application website:
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/MQA/dentistry/dn_applications.html

Open it up, and take a look. The Florida licensure examination is being given by NERB this year. Application made out to NERB. Check made out to NERB. WE ARE TAKING THE NERB!!!! Glad to be able to enlighten you.

Doesn't that just mean that the Florida Board exam is being administered by NERB? It doesn't mean that NERB is accepted for state licensure. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but that is my take on the matter.

 

[Dental Dork 09]

Doesn't that just mean that the Florida Board exam is being administered by NERB? It doesn't mean that NERB is accepted for state licensure. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but that is my take on the matter.

You are right. Its like taking the NBDE. Prometric gives the exam and takes payment but does not have anything to do with format, material, etc

Also, in the meeting minutes, the FL board agrees that the ADEX is a more comprehensive exam and tests for more than they do, but they do not want to join because they do not want to lose control of the exam process.

Those are not my words nor my take on what they said. Its actually what they feel. Just go to the the board meeting minutes and read them. They cover a lot of issues during the meetings so to make it easier do cntrl+F and then type in ADEX.

 

[Dental Dork 09]

Just doing a search for "NERB" in the meeting minutes I found this:

"Dr. Ackley advised the board that dental examination candidates are receiving their preliminary results from the clinical exam at the exam site and NERB is doing a great job in the administration of the exam."

http://www.doh.state.fl.us/MQA/dentistry/min_11-04-05.pdf

 

[ufsucks]

I'm not sure of the "technicality" of it, but let's just say that UF has made a HUGE deal about the fact that we are all "going to be taking the NERB" this year for the first time. They are even trying to limit the amount of students who take the boards in March since the whole new process is a new experience to UF students (I'm sure they are doing it so that their "pass rate" goes unaffected--go figure).

 

[Lemming]

I'm not sure of the "technicality" of it, but let's just say that UF has made a HUGE deal about the fact that we are all "going to be taking the NERB" this year for the first time. They are even trying to limit the amount of students who take the boards in March since the whole new process is a new experience to UF students (I'm sure they are doing it so that their "pass rate" goes unaffected--go figure).

The problem is, it's not really a technicality. If they are telling you guys that you are taking the NERBs, and you are really taking the Florida boards, it could really screw up some peoples plans if they are planning on practicing outside of Florida, and it sounds like there is genuinely some confusion. Have you contacted NERB to talk to them about it?

 

[DrJeff]

The problem is, it's not really a technicality. If they are telling you guys that you are taking the NERBs, and you are really taking the Florida boards, it could really screw up some peoples plans if they are planning on practicing outside of Florida, and it sounds like there is genuinely some confusion. Have you contacted NERB to talk to them about it?

Exactly, you're taking an exam with the EXACT same clinical/written components as the NERB, but it is administered by the Florida boards, and as of this morning (2/13/07) there is still no mention of Florida as either a testing location or a participating NERB state on the NERB web site, or mention of the NERB on the Florida dept of health web site for dental licensure info. One would think that since Spring '07 NERB clinical exams have started that a U of F testing site/date would be listed on the NERB's web page😕

Another question, for the Florida students supposedly taking the NERB at U of F, who have they made the check out to for the exam??

 

[ufsucks]

Exactly, you're taking an exam with the EXACT same clinical/written components as the NERB, but it is administered by the Florida boards, and as of this morning (2/13/07) there is still no mention of Florida as either a testing location or a participating NERB state on the NERB web site, or mention of the NERB on the Florida dept of health web site for dental licensure info. One would think that since Spring '07 NERB clinical exams have started that a U of F testing site/date would be listed on the NERB's web page😕

Another question, for the Florida students supposedly taking the NERB at U of F, who have they made the check out to for the exam??

The check is made out to NERB...The application is made out to NERB...Read my post above. It has a link to the Florida Department of Health and the Application (PDF file). If you open up the application, you will see that the application is a NERB application and it tells us to give our $$ to them too!

 

[ufsucks]

Okay, I understand that you are both huffing and puffing that I have "dared" to insult UF, but it is all true. And it certainly doesn't mean I don't have the facts straight. I AM a current UF student, not some "UF reject" like danhook would like to think. This is the first year that the Florida Department of Health is having the NERB administer our dental licensure examination. I am assuming you have heard of the Florida Department of Health?

---------------------------------
1st piece of proof that our UF class is taking the NERBS is an email sent to our class last week by the UF clinical director himself:

Boyd Robinson
Add to address book
To:%CLASS2007 %CLASS2007 <%Class2007IEDP_Offsite %Class2007IEDP_Offsite <%[email protected]> CC😀ate:Sat Feb 03 13:15:06 EST 2007 Subject:NERB EXAM A question came up the other day about your class taking the NERBS and getting patients. I wanted to share one response that I got from a friend who teaches at VCU. He has been their rep to the state boards, but had limited knowledge of the current board set up. His advise is sound for anyone taking a different board. Each board will have it's own set of rules and board prep courses.

Have a great day.
Dr. R


I don't know anything about the current NERB exam - although the state of Virginia accepts all 4 major Regional Boards, we do not offer it here at VCU. NERB is now under the umbrella of ADEX - an entity that claims to offer the only National Dental Licensure Exam. A whole lot of messy politics involved. My advice to your student would be to first go to
the NERB Website to get the exact info and particulars; call the NERB office with any questions; find out where NERBs are given and decide which institution he/she wants to go to to take the NERBs. Once they determine which site, there is usually a POC individual at an institution to call and ask about getting patients; logistics; etc. Hope this helps. We
have lots of out of state folks that come here to take SRTA or WREB and they link up with our POC and go from there.

---------
2nd, more important, piece of information straight from the FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH: Here is the link to the application website:
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/MQA/dentistry/dn_applications.html

Open it up, and take a look. The Florida licensure examination is being given by NERB this year. Application made out to NERB. Check made out to NERB. WE ARE TAKING THE NERB!!!! Glad to be able to enlighten you.

Here you go-- click on the web link and open the Dental Examination Application

 

[DrJeff]

Here you go-- click on the web link and open the Dental Examination Application

Actually, you're taking 2 exams, the NERB (congrats) and The Florida board even though they're being presented to you as one.

After showing this thread to my NERB examiner friend, he did a little hunting of his own via the NERB HQ and explained it to me in the following way. Florida is essentially giving the NERB as their own exam now, but their also masking it as the old Florida license exam too. Florida grads taking this will will have NERB state license ability + Florida eligibilty. Non-Florida based students taking the NERB will have NERB state eligibility but NOT Florida eligibility.

So basically, you're taking the NERB, but Florida as a whole isn't.😕

 

[S Files]

Actually, you're taking 2 exams, the NERB (congrats) and The Florida board even though they're being presented to you as one.

After showing this thread to my NERB examiner friend, he did a little hunting of his own via the NERB HQ and explained it to me in the following way. Florida is essentially giving the NERB as their own exam now, but their also masking it as the old Florida license exam too. Florida grads taking this will will have NERB state license ability + Florida eligibilty. Non-Florida based students taking the NERB will have NERB state eligibility but NOT Florida eligibility.

So basically, you're taking the NERB, but Florida as a whole isn't.😕

Unbelievable!! so the exact same exam, yet your eligibility for licensure is based on your state of residence and/or dental school attended.....so a georgia d student who gets a 99 in every section won't get licensure yet a florida d student who gets a 76 on the EXACT SAME EXAM will be deemed more competent by florida. i don't think there is any other professional licensing organization in the country with such a policy.

but then again, if this foreign school accreditation truly does go thru, the floridian dental licensure policy makers may end up looking like geniuses...

 

[muscan]

I'm kind of new to this forum .I will be graduating from NYU and i'm taking Florida boards can anyone please tell me which course it is that you take to pass the florida boards and any information that could be useful for me in taking these boards will be greatly appreciated.Thanks in advance.

 

[mike3kgt]

I am currently enrolled in the Florida exam in March and the WREB exam also in March. Florida exam is administered by NERB but the only thing that is similar to NERB is the prosthetics exam. Many questions are similar to the one given by NERB.

Florida exam consists of the following:
Patient:
SRP 5 teeth
Class II Amalgam (prep and restore)

Lab:
Endo 1 tooth
CL IV Composite
Complex Class II Amalgam
Complex Class II Composite
3 unit bridge prep

Written:
Florida Laws Exam
Prosthetic Exam

NERB exam consists of the following:

Lab:
Posterior 3 unit bridge prep
Anterior Porcelain crown prep
Endo - access molar, full Tx incisor

Patient:
CL II Amalgam (prep and restore)
Cl III Composite (prep and restore)
Perio assessment and SRP

Written:
Diagnosis, Oral Med, Radiology exam
Treatment Planning exam
Perio/Prosth Exam

So... those people who are wondering, these exams are distinct and separate. As of right now, I have not heard from either my school or the prep course I am taking that Florida exam passing will allow NERB state licensure.

As for the stringent Florida board... as I read more and more about regulations and the laws present in the state, the more I like the idea of practicing in Florida. Florida seems like they have the system set up to prevent outside influence in either the law, hygiene association, or foreign grad pressures. I do not have a completely objective view of the system but it seems like it works.

-Mike

Unbelievable!! so the exact same exam, yet your eligibility for licensure is based on your state of residence and/or dental school attended.....so a georgia d student who gets a 99 in every section won't get licensure yet a florida d student who gets a 76 on the EXACT SAME EXAM will be deemed more competent by florida. i don't think there is any other professional licensing organization in the country with such a policy.

but then again, if this foreign school accreditation truly does go thru, the floridian dental licensure policy makers may end up looking like geniuses...

 

[muscan]

Hello Mike,

Thankyou so much for your detailed info.I heard that they offer some kind of course which is very helpful for other people coming from different states.Can you tell me more about it please.And what to study for the law exam.Thankyou so much in advance.

Muscan

 

[digger17]

Try www.fdbp.com It is expensive.

 

[gottago]

Interesting discssion. I'm thinking about taking the Fl boards myself.
I do have a question pertaining to the Florida boards.
To all those who took the prep courses for the boards ,
what is it that you got out of these courses? Is it really worth the expense?
I know passing the boards on the first attempt is everyone's goal, however what do you guys feel were the areas where you gained an advantage that ultimately helped you in your board exam?

Another question for you guys in Fl: how's the dental market there, how hard is it generally to find an associate position?
And if you don't mind sharing some numbers about the average compensation an associate can expect there.
Thanks!

 

[DDYESS]

Actually, you're taking 2 exams, the NERB (congrats) and The Florida board even though they're being presented to you as one.

After showing this thread to my NERB examiner friend, he did a little hunting of his own via the NERB HQ and explained it to me in the following way. Florida is essentially giving the NERB as their own exam now, but their also masking it as the old Florida license exam too. Florida grads taking this will will have NERB state license ability + Florida eligibilty. Non-Florida based students taking the NERB will have NERB state eligibility but NOT Florida eligibility.

So basically, you're taking the NERB, but Florida as a whole isn't.😕

So let me see if im understanding all of this (I was recently accepted to Nova and have been trying to get some info on if I would have to take the NERB to practice elsewhere and also take the Florida boards if I decided I ever wanted to go back to Florida to practice) Can someone confirm im reading this right (and that its true), if you take the boards in Florida as a student of a Florida school, you will be licensed to practice in Florida AS WELL as anywhere they accept the NERB?? But not the other way around, if I went to a school in the North East and took the boards there, I would only be able to practice in the North East?? Do I have that right??

 

[mike3kgt]

So let me see if im understanding all of this (I was recently accepted to Nova and have been trying to get some info on if I would have to take the NERB to practice elsewhere and also take the Florida boards if I decided I ever wanted to go back to Florida to practice) Can someone confirm im reading this right (and that its true), if you take the boards in Florida as a student of a Florida school, you will be licensed to practice in Florida AS WELL as anywhere they accept the NERB?? But not the other way around, if I went to a school in the North East and took the boards there, I would only be able to practice in the North East?? Do I have that right??

Did you read my post from earlier? What you saying is actually dependent upon state licensure. Look at the dental laws & rules of the state you wish to practice and if they say they accept the florida boards for licensure, that will be the only PROOF that you can take FL and practice in that state.

The answer I understand is NO.

-Mike

 

[DDYESS]

Did you read my post from earlier? What you saying is actually dependent upon state licensure. Look at the dental laws & rules of the state you wish to practice and if they say they accept the florida boards for licensure, that will be the only PROOF that you can take FL and practice in that state.

The answer I understand is NO.

-Mike

Hey Mike, thanks for the response. Any idea of where I can find that information? Im still a pre-dent and not too fluent in this stuff yet. I am specifically looking for info on NY, if they would accept the Florida boards. Thanks again.

 

[mg777]

So let me see if im understanding all of this (I was recently accepted to Nova and have been trying to get some info on if I would have to take the NERB to practice elsewhere and also take the Florida boards if I decided I ever wanted to go back to Florida to practice) Can someone confirm im reading this right (and that its true), if you take the boards in Florida as a student of a Florida school, you will be licensed to practice in Florida AS WELL as anywhere they accept the NERB?? But not the other way around, if I went to a school in the North East and took the boards there, I would only be able to practice in the North East?? Do I have that right??

NERB is giving the florida state board. All thehe examiners are florida dentists who would be associated with the old Fl. board, as point interest, however the NERB is adminstering the test. If you take the NERB given by the Florida state board of dentistry, you will be liscensed in FL, and not anywhere else giving the NERB.