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Despite the sky-is-falling opinion that often pervade this discussion board, anesthesiology continues to attract high quality grads. My school has matched 10+ consistently into anesthesia over recent years. Many people that would be competitive for other ROAD and highly competitive specialties have chosen anesthesia. I'm sure that many of you MS4s have as well.

My question, directed at you, is: what is attracting you into anesthesiology despite the foreseeable and present threats?

I've looked at the sticky and read previous posts about others' responses in the past. I'm curious to hear what the incoming class has to say.

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Bottom line:

I enjoyed anesthesiology significantly more than any of the other specialties.

Reasons, you ask? Many of the same reasons you'll see in the stickies for "why anesthesiology?"
 
Threats aside, you will always be able to make good money. Will there be a time when a nurse can make as much? Maybe. But it's still good money. I didn't choose my passion based on dominance over a nursing field. I chose it because it's interesting.

I'm not exactly sure which medical field you would choose if you wanted to be entirely safe from any outside threats or declining reimbursement.
 
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Despite the sky-is-falling opinion that often pervade this discussion board, anesthesiology continues to attract high quality grads. My school has matched 10+ consistently into anesthesia over recent years. Many people that would be competitive for other ROAD and highly competitive specialties have chosen anesthesia. I'm sure that many of you MS4s have as well.

My question, directed at you, is: what is attracting you into anesthesiology despite the foreseeable and present threats?

I've looked at the sticky and read previous posts about others' responses in the past. I'm curious to hear what the incoming class has to say.

I like internal medicine in theory but found it boring in practice (too slow, too much non-medicine stuff to deal with). I like procedures but found actually being scrubbed in on surgery incredibly uninteresting--prefer procedures that involve sticking not cutting and suturing.

Anesthesiology is the only other specialty outside of family practice where one can routinely and comfortably treat children, adults, and pregnant women, and I think that's pretty darned cool. However, family practitioners are not experts in any one thing and that was a big downside for me. Same with emergency medicine. At my school, they liked to claim they were the specialists in resuscitation. Is that why the called anesthesiology not once but twice while I was on my one month rotation during only 14 8-hours shifts to come and manage difficult airways that the EM docs couldn't get?

I like patient contact and quickly ruled out radiology and pathology for that reason but found just enough of the population has strange personalities that I didn't want to follow patients for the rest of their lives or spend my entire day talking with patients. Honestly, I found outpatient clinics exhausting for that reason.

I didn't want to feel obligated to do a fellowship at the end of residency (like I would have if I did internal medicine) but wanted fellowship options to be available and interesting (scratch emergency medicine).

Finally, the ability to have a decent lifestyle and compensation were important. I didn't want to be in residency for 10 years (hello pediatric surgery!), and I wanted to earn more than my lawyer friends made immediately out of law school (bye bye primary care pedatrics). However, these aren't everything and shouldn't be--I would consider radiology to be generally better than anesthesiology at both lifestyle and compensation but wanted to poke my eyes out after sitting in a dark room looking at films for an hour (and then I would have made a pretty lousy radiologist).

So to sum it up--procedures but not surgery, using the foundation of medicine on a regular basis--internal medicine, ability to work with children and pregnant women, availability although not necessity of doing fellowships, patient contact but not too much, expert at something, and ability for good compensation an lifestyle.

Just for balance, I see the big downsides to anesthesiology being turf wars with mid-level providers, laypeople and even other physicians not really understanding what anesthesiologists do, and extremely early hours for the rest of one's career.
 
I like internal medicine in theory but found it boring in practice (too slow, too much non-medicine stuff to deal with). I like procedures but found actually being scrubbed in on surgery incredibly uninteresting--prefer procedures that involve sticking not cutting and suturing.

Anesthesiology is the only other specialty outside of family practice where one can routinely and comfortably treat children, adults, and pregnant women, and I think that's pretty darned cool. However, family practitioners are not experts in any one thing and that was a big downside for me. Same with emergency medicine. At my school, they liked to claim they were the specialists in resuscitation. Is that why the called anesthesiology not once but twice while I was on my one month rotation during only 14 8-hours shifts to come and manage difficult airways that the EM docs couldn't get?

I like patient contact and quickly ruled out radiology and pathology for that reason but found just enough of the population has strange personalities that I didn't want to follow patients for the rest of their lives or spend my entire day talking with patients. Honestly, I found outpatient clinics exhausting for that reason.

I didn't want to feel obligated to do a fellowship at the end of residency (like I would have if I did internal medicine) but wanted fellowship options to be available and interesting (scratch emergency medicine).

Finally, the ability to have a decent lifestyle and compensation were important. I didn't want to be in residency for 10 years (hello pediatric surgery!), and I wanted to earn more than my lawyer friends made immediately out of law school (bye bye primary care pedatrics). However, these aren't everything and shouldn't be--I would consider radiology to be generally better than anesthesiology at both lifestyle and compensation but wanted to poke my eyes out after sitting in a dark room looking at films for an hour (and then I would have made a pretty lousy radiologist).

So to sum it up--procedures but not surgery, using the foundation of medicine on a regular basis--internal medicine, ability to work with children and pregnant women, availability although not necessity of doing fellowships, patient contact but not too much, expert at something, and ability for good compensation an lifestyle.

Just for balance, I see the big downsides to anesthesiology being turf wars with mid-level providers, laypeople and even other physicians not really understanding what anesthesiologists do, and extremely early hours for the rest of one's career.

I couldn't have said it better myself. One other downside for some is that anesthesiologists fly under the radar in general. It is not for those with giant egos who wish to be worshiped. This fits my personality well, but it may not be for everyone.
 
simply put I like the idea/feeling of people thanking me when they wake up after a complex surgery pain free and comfortable with no memory. I cant remember another time in my rotations where i felt like I really did something so substantial for a patient.

In many of my other rotations I felt like i was "spinning my wheels" to keep people who's destiny was to die, alive. I found that insulting to the patient and struggled with it ethically on a daily basis.
 
I like the feeling of being competent in areas others are scared of. I like to tell people when to breathe faster, breathe slower, pee, wake up, go to sleep, etc. I like to be the behind the scenes person (my other career is in concert production). And I hate wearing dress clothes.
 
Despite the sky-is-falling opinion that often pervade this discussion board, anesthesiology continues to attract high quality grads. My school has matched 10+ consistently into anesthesia over recent years. Many people that would be competitive for other ROAD and highly competitive specialties have chosen anesthesia. I'm sure that many of you MS4s have as well.

My question, directed at you, is: what is attracting you into anesthesiology despite the foreseeable and present threats?

I've looked at the sticky and read previous posts about others' responses in the past. I'm curious to hear what the incoming class has to say.

I have a message for graduating MS-4s:

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

Seriously.

Such a milestone.

The time between graduation and internship is not for focus on internship.

Internship will come, no matter what you do between now and then.

And you're gonna do fine in internship.

It is for you to party, travel, hang out at home.

Be a bum for a cuppla months.

Sleep 'til noon every day.

Don't take a shower.

Put five hundred bucks in your pocket and fly to Key West.

Live in the chick/dude's hotel rooms you meet.

Befriend a gay dude down there (plentiful), tell him you're straight lookin for a place to crash between benders.

Fly to Cancun.

Apply above strategy.

Buy a Playstation-3, a mini-refrigerator that'll hold at least twelve beers, and set the world record for successive-hours-played on Navy Seals SOCOM 3.

Try hitchhiking across the midwest. See if you can make it without encountering a serial killer.

In other words,

This is your last chance to do something really irresponsible.

Because come July First,

POOOOOYAAHHHHHH!!!!

Welcome to the world of responsibility.

The dichotomy of med-school-fourth-year.
 
Be a bum for a cuppla months.

Buy a Playstation-3, a mini-refrigerator that'll hold at least twelve beers, and set the world record for successive-hours-played on Navy Seals SOCOM 3.

I just bought an xbox 360 and am setting some pretty impressive guitar heo 2 records. Is this also acceptable? :laugh:
 
I like internal medicine in theory but found it boring in practice (too slow, too much non-medicine stuff to deal with). I like procedures but found actually being scrubbed in on surgery incredibly uninteresting--prefer procedures that involve sticking not cutting and suturing.

Anesthesiology is the only other specialty outside of family practice where one can routinely and comfortably treat children, adults, and pregnant women, and I think that's pretty darned cool. However, family practitioners are not experts in any one thing and that was a big downside for me. Same with emergency medicine. At my school, they liked to claim they were the specialists in resuscitation. Is that why the called anesthesiology not once but twice while I was on my one month rotation during only 14 8-hours shifts to come and manage difficult airways that the EM docs couldn't get?

I like patient contact and quickly ruled out radiology and pathology for that reason but found just enough of the population has strange personalities that I didn't want to follow patients for the rest of their lives or spend my entire day talking with patients. Honestly, I found outpatient clinics exhausting for that reason.

I didn't want to feel obligated to do a fellowship at the end of residency (like I would have if I did internal medicine) but wanted fellowship options to be available and interesting (scratch emergency medicine).

Finally, the ability to have a decent lifestyle and compensation were important. I didn't want to be in residency for 10 years (hello pediatric surgery!), and I wanted to earn more than my lawyer friends made immediately out of law school (bye bye primary care pedatrics). However, these aren't everything and shouldn't be--I would consider radiology to be generally better than anesthesiology at both lifestyle and compensation but wanted to poke my eyes out after sitting in a dark room looking at films for an hour (and then I would have made a pretty lousy radiologist).

So to sum it up--procedures but not surgery, using the foundation of medicine on a regular basis--internal medicine, ability to work with children and pregnant women, availability although not necessity of doing fellowships, patient contact but not too much, expert at something, and ability for good compensation an lifestyle.

Just for balance, I see the big downsides to anesthesiology being turf wars with mid-level providers, laypeople and even other physicians not really understanding what anesthesiologists do, and extremely early hours for the rest of one's career.

Nice response Pillowhead!
 
Despite the sky-is-falling opinion that often pervade this discussion board, anesthesiology continues to attract high quality grads. My school has matched 10+ consistently into anesthesia over recent years. Many people that would be competitive for other ROAD and highly competitive specialties have chosen anesthesia. I'm sure that many of you MS4s have as well.

My question, directed at you, is: what is attracting you into anesthesiology despite the foreseeable and present threats?

I've looked at the sticky and read previous posts about others' responses in the past. I'm curious to hear what the incoming class has to say.

For me, the whole reason for going to med school was to pursue anesthesiology. When I was in the seventh grade, I told my family and friends that I wanted to be an Anesthesiologist when I grew up, and it has never changed.

Besides that, I enjoyed gas rotations more than any other. Good procedures, fun and important patient interactions, and consistent instant gratification, and happy compadres were all stand-out qualities over other specialties I rotated through.
 
Despite the sky-is-falling opinion that often pervade this discussion board, anesthesiology continues to attract high quality grads. My school has matched 10+ consistently into anesthesia over recent years. Many people that would be competitive for other ROAD and highly competitive specialties have chosen anesthesia. I'm sure that many of you MS4s have as well.

My question, directed at you, is: what is attracting you into anesthesiology despite the foreseeable and present threats?

I've looked at the sticky and read previous posts about others' responses in the past. I'm curious to hear what the incoming class has to say.

R-Radiologists on my rotation constantly talked of 'outsourcing'; not only to other countries, but within the U.S. to 'mega-groups' that undercut the local docs. Sound familiar to the big anesthesia management groups??

O- My ophtho rotation had the docs freaking out the DO's (doctor of optometry) being very close to gaining rights to do OPERATIVE procedures!! So close in the legal junk that the state (ohio) ophtho schools have ALREADY begun installing operating suites!!

A- you know about the CRNA arguments...

D- The derm clinic at my school is essentially run by advance practice nurses (APN) with the docs essentially seeing 'difficult cases'. If you've ever spent a day in the derm clinic you should quickly realize it does not take a M.D. to do bread and butter patients.

Aside from this; i've heard and seen PICU's and SICU's being staffed with APN's, numerous surgical field cases opened and closed by PA's, high risk OB delivered by midwives, ED's staffed by 8 PA's and a toked M.D.,etc...

No matter what field you go into there will be challenges and threats from mid-level providers not seen by our predecessors. Obviously, this 'threat' will continue to grow and be an issues for the remainder of our careers.


The point: Choose a specialty based on YOUR interests and expectations for a professional career. DO NOT let the 'mid-level threat' influence you one way or the other.
 
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