Foreign Trained Dentist-READ THIS-Important Info on deadline ext. CAL bench Exam

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Hello All

1. Here is the link for all senators which has email addresses.
Click on senators name which will take you to their homepage
and you can find their email address.
http://www.sen.ca.gov/~newsen/senators/senators.htp

2. Here is the link for all assembly members with email addresses.
http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset7text.htm
[ From home page, click on "Member Directory"]

Do include your name, complete address and contact phone number at the end of your email. This gives validity to your email
correspondence.

Also it will be nice if more people from California send an email.
After all these legislatures are representing California state, so they will be more supportive to the issues raised by California residents.

Good luck.

Sanjiv
 
Does anyone have the list of members of Appropriations Committee or their emails?? We all can send emails to them to pass this bill. Once the bill is passed from this then I guess we need to send mails to all the Senate members. Lets hope for the best. Just send email to all the Senate members. Will send emails to Assembly members soon.
 
Hi All,

Just finished sending emails to all the Senators. I went through pain of visiting each member's home page and collecting their emails. I am just giving you all the ultimate last list which has email addresses of all the Sen members. Please send email to all of them and hope for the best...

To:[email protected]

Bcc:

[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

-- Yet One more Dentist Husband

P.S: First one (To🙂 is fack address.. you will get one email back saying this is not a correct email address.
 
Hello Kosha and Scott

I have also sent an email to all senators. Thanks Kosha for compiling a list and thanks Scott for providing format of the letter/email.

We need to send emails to assembly members also. Can somebody compile their email list?

(Note: I noticed that "Appropriation Commitee" consists of some assembly members. So if we send an email to all assembly members, we cover everybody.)

I urge all readers of this forum to send an email to ALL senators and assembly members of California. Together we can make this bill become law. (Once again it is very very very important to include your name, complete address and contact phone number at the end of your email. Otherwise your email is not taken seriously.)

Sanjiv
 
Hi Scott,

When is the next hearing/desicion? R we looking at any perticular Date or hanging in the Air?? Please update us with the latest happnings..

Thanks a bunch.
😎
 
Hi Kosha and All,

I called Andy Martinez just a minute ago and the bill is tentatively scheduled to be voted on by the Appropriations Comm. on Thursday this week. One of 3 things could happen at the Comm. meeting and they are as follows:

1. The bill could be passed out (ie. approved) by the Chairperson of the Committee under Rule 28.8 without even being voted on by the full Committee because the Chair feels that the fees cover all costs associated with the bill. This would be the easiest solution and Andy thinks it may be the outcome when the Committee convenes.

2. The Committee will conduct a Yes/No vote on the bill. The discussion leading up to an up or down vote is usually restricted to the fiscal impact of the bill rather than the merits or social impact of the bill. So if the Committee feels that the fees collected are adequate to administer the test then it would likely be approved.

3. The bill may be held in Suspense, which is a kind of limbo that usually signifies the death of a bill for the current legislative session, although it is possible to end the Suspense on the same day that it occurs.

The primary influence on any of these potential outcomes is the Dental Board who will be consulted by the Committee. Your recent lobbying efforts probably have not had that much effect on the members of the Assembly and Senate, but then again it connot have hurt the cause either. If the bill gets our of the App. Comm. this week then it wil be scheduled for a floor vote in the Senate quite quickly. Then the bill must be returned to the Assembly for concurrence. No changes can be made to the bill when it is sent back to the Assembly for concurrence. The bill must be approved by the Assembly and leave the legislature for the Governor's signature on or before Sept. 12. The Governor then has 30 days to sign the bill. However with the Recall scheduled for Oct. 7, the Governor really has only 25 days to sign it into law.

So that is the somewhat tortuous road that the bill must travel in the coming weeks. Andy seemed confident that the Dental Board has fiddled with this issue enough that it will likely pass through each step. Take heart in the fact that when it first appeared on the Assembly floor for a vote, the bill was approved unanimously. I may be overly optimistic, but I feel good about the prospects at this point.

Scott
 
Any news ???😕 😕
 
Hi Chuchuca and all,

I received an automatic e-mail notice from the Legislature today that AB1467 will be presented to the Appropriations Committee tomorrow, August 28. We can be hopeful since the Business and Professions Comm. approved the bill, as amended, unanimously.

In answer to your new thread Chuchuca, I don't see many names that are obviously Brazilian. But then again, I wouldn't have known that your name is Brazilian either, if you hadn't asked the question. My wife did meet a Brazilian dentist at a bench test review class at UOP, so there are obviously some of you out there.

Scott
 
Thank you for your answer. I will be praying very hard tomorrow.

About the brazilians, hopefully I am goinng to meet some in a near future 😛
 
hey scott
any news aboutt eh hearing that took place today
 
Hi Kosha,

I called Assemblymember Negrete-McLeod's office after 5pm this evening and the woman who answered the phone said that she believed that the bill passed through the Appropriations Comm. today. I will confirm it for sure tromorrow and post the facts as soon as I know them. The woman was upbeat about the bill's chances. Not too many bills are being approved during this session of the legislature but this one seems to have momentum in its favor. Either our lobbying has had an impact or this thing is flying under the radar of the Gray Davis/Schwarzenegger show now playing out in Sacramento.

Scott
 
Hey scott,
Thanks for the information. Do keep us update with all the news you hear.


Do let us all know about the upcoming hearing and bill.
 
Hi Scott,

Thanks a lot.. will b waiting for ur confirmation 2morrow...if this bill is passed or not (Which will not be the case).. I give u full credit for being a good represntative of all Foreign Trained Dentist..

God Bless U.. :clap:
 
hi ,
i agree with kosha , if not for u , i think we all would be hanging nowhere !! not even knowing where we stand & what to do ...
thanks soo much for everything .
 
I also agree.
Thank you so much. I am sure that God is looking at you and sending His blessing.

:clap: :clap:
 
Hello All,

I just checked the legislative information website for yesterday's session and the Appropriations Comm. approved the bill unanimously. Thank you all for your appreciation, but please recall that Dentisthusband in Southern California started this thread. He deserves more credit than me. I haven't seen him post lately so I hope that all is well with him and his spouse.

Scott
 
Is it now safe to take the compressor and hi speed out of the closet and start burning...ooops....preparing those ivorine teeth again?:laugh:

Ivorinedust

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"Apolonia, relieve me of my toothache!"
 
it was really nice of u, scott, to do so much and keep everyone else also up-to-date about the whole thing! and it all worked out well in the end!!! u all must be elated!! great going!

since i havent really followed this thread could someone please tell me what the effect is now? have they allowed bench test to be taken upto jan 2005 for everyone or just california residents? and anyway isnt there a big backlog of test takers that makes it almost impossible for anyone outside of california to take the test? please help me out here.......
 
i checked out the site and it says its going to be upto december 2008. is this only for calif residents or for everyone? and if a person passes the bench/RTE in calif are they eligible to practice elsewhere too?


thanks in advance for your replies.
 
Thanks to all. In particular to Scott....

Scott,

Could you please tell me if I have to pass NDB part I and II this year in order to void 2 years of schooling requirement...

I am planning to take Part I of NDB in December....

Please tell what are the criteria with AB1467....

And thanks for your hard work...I hope all the foreign trained dentist appreciate your hard work....


:clap: 🙂
 
hi toothmail ,
can u please tell me the link where u got the info , cause i checked in the california dental board home page , didnt find anything .
and as much as i know i dont think california state resident status is needed for RT exam r licensure .
can anyone tell us about this ???
 
I have been reading this thread for sometime now. Does this mean that now foreign trained dentist need to give NDBE I and II and take the RT exam to practice in California. We dont have to go through 2 yr of schooling again, is that what it means??
Please do correct me if I am wrong.
 
hi everyone

as far as i know this is these r the official links: i was subscribing to the updates and these are the links they sent me (altho i dont understand a word!!😀 )

AB 1467
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_1467&sess=CUR&house=B&search_type=email

ANALYSIS
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1451-1500/ab_1467_cfa_20030828_094213_sen_comm.html

HISTORY
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1451-1500/ab_1467_bill_20030828_history.html

STATUS
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1451-1500/ab_1467_bill_20030828_status.html

VOTES
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1451-1500/ab_1467_vote_20030828_000001_sen_comm.html


could someone please explain whether only calif residents get to take this extended rte and whether there is a very big back log of students waiting to take this exam and hence rest of us stand a very slim chance? also are part 1 and part 2 scores essential to qualify to take the rte exam?

thanks in advance
 
As far as the RTE goes, NDBE scores don't matter as long as you passed them. With regards to the California residency requirement, there is none (for now at least), but
to be granted a California dental license, you must have a Social Security Number. So it would be a waste of time to take the exams up to Part 3 and 4 if you don't, or cannot get, one.

Ivorinedust--whizzz....whizzz goes my handpiece.

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"Apolonia, relieve me of my toothache!"
 
Hi Scott,

thanks again for the info, but I need to clarify something:

First we should pass Part 1 of the NBDE on or before December 31,
2004, and passed Part 2 of the NBDE on or before December
31, 2006, and passed the RT exam on, or before December
31, 2008.
Then I read something about pass both NBDE by december 2003.
Which one is correct ?

But hey, I am so so happy
:clap: :clap: 😍 :laugh: 🙂
 
should be voted on anytime. The bill is amended.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1451-1500/ab_1467_bill_20030829_amended_sen.html

and in more plain english

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1451-1500/ab_1467_cfa_20030829_132616_sen_floor.html

They have the most up-to-date and accurate information, so will those lazy bugs stop saying "I don't have time to read so can you tell me one more time?" All the answers are there.

I am surprised that the bill now requires 2/3 vote (instead of simple majority). Nightmare of california budget held hostage by slightly over 1/3 lawmakers flashes through my mind 🙁

The bill is now on urgent status too (not surprising given the little time left to go through senate, assembly and the governor).

- tengu
 
Seems like a reasonable bill to me. It will quickly cap off the number of folks who are eligible to take the RT but will allow folks now in the pipline a reasonable amount of time to pass the RT.
 
Hi dentalhusband,

I have been going through this site for a while and found vvv helpful for information about all issues foreign dentists may have.

Can anybody can give info on this?


1) Is it must to complete NBDE Part1 &2 before DEC 2003 to qualify to take Calfornia RT exam which is extended till Dec 2008.(Ofcourse Bill is in pending...)

2) Can anybody let us know about the choice of taking california RT exam , if we can finish NBDE Part1 & 2 by Dec 2004.


Thanks a bunch
Kota
 
hi
as far as my knowlege goes to be eligible to sit for thebench which hasbeen extended to 2008( still a petition not become a aw)one has to pass part1 &2 bye the end of 2003 or esle go to school again
for more info pl click on the link provided by tengu3
 
Hey Tengu,
I read the links you provided regarding the bill. I was out of town for couple of days and I didnt get to keep myself updated as to what happened in the senate on Aug 29th. Has the bill Passed the senate or, do they still have to vote for it? and as I understand, it has to be 2/3. Is that correct?

Please let me know what exactly happened? since I am kind of confused what happened?

Thanks a lot everyone for kind of support and information provided to all of us.
 
I don't think the senate voted yet.
 
Hi All,

I spoke with Andy Martinez from Assemblymember Negrete-McLeod's office. AB 1467 is not scheduled for a floor vote yet. However, things move very swiftly in the legislature at this time of year. The legislative rules require that bills be approved by both houses of the legislature by Sept. 12 every year, so there is always a mad rush, with all of the associated "back room" deals and arm twisting, to get a bill through the legislature. Then it must be signed into law by the Governor. Andy said that at this time he is not aware of any opposition to the bill as it is currently amended. Therefore, it is possible that the bill will be approved by the Senate during a consent vote without any debate whatsoever. Then the Assembly will vote on it and send it on its way to the Governor. I know that some of you may not want to know about all of these arcane details, but as one who has visited the great legislative halls of California, I find it amazing that anything at all ever gets accomplished there. Besides, some of you will one day be taking an oath of citizenship to the USA, so you can consider this an advance civics lesson. And in case any of you are more confused than you were before you started reading this, the bottom line is that it ain't over until its finally and unequivocally over.

One thing is absolutely certain at this point, and that is the fact that the bill cannot be amended again during this legislative session. So let me recap some provisions of the bill:

1) All candidates must have passed both NBDE Parts 1 & 2 by December 31, 2003. If you haven't already passed Part 1, it is probably too late to pass Part 2 this year. For example Toothguy is taking the Part 1 test in December. The results for his sitting of that exam must be graded by the ADA before they will allow him to register for Part 2 and it takes the ADA 5 weeks to grade the exam. So even if he were mentally and emotionally ready to take Part 2 in December, he would not be able to. So if you have passed Part 1 but not Part 2, then study hard and get your registration for the exam turned into the ADA as soon as possible. I am sorry for Toothguy and others in his position but there is still the opportunity to go to a US dental school if you do well on the Part 1 exam.

2) You don't need to be a California resident to take the Bench Test. You do not even need to be a permanent resident of the United States to take the Bench Test. Any graduate of a foreign dental school who has passed both NBDE exams and properly completed the application form of the California Dental Board and paid the fees can sit for the Bench Test. However, the test is only administered at one of the dental schools in either LA or San Francisco, so you must physically come to California to sit for the exam.

3) If you have already passed both NBDE Parts 1 & 2 then you will need to apply to the California Dental Board for the RT Exam (Bench Test) before Dec. 31, 2003. Do not mail your application in just yet though, the CA Dental Board won't accept them until the bill is signed into law and they have a chance to post the new application procedures on their website. If you take the NBDE Part 2 in late December, then you will have until April of 2004 to send in your application. This will give you enough time for the ADA to grade the Part 2 exam.

Those are some of the important points of the bill as amended. I hope that clears it up for the late-comers to this thread. For Chuchuca, Kota and others who may be missing out under the provisions of this bill, do not despair. You can get still get licensed in the US, it will just be a little harder for you. For Madhup, yes this means that you may be able to get licensed in California without going to dental school for 2 years. Finally, for everyone who has passed both Parts of the NBDE and are waiting for the final approval of this law, think positive. The 2/3 majority vote requirement is part of the process of upgrading the bill to urgent status and does not present an insurmountable hurdle. Andy believes that even during this strange political recall period, the bill has strong Democratic support and simple Republican ambivalence. While Governor Davis is a personal friend of Dr. Alan Kaye, who is the President of the CA Dental Board, it seems likely that Davis would sign the bill into law. While Dr. Kay would prefer that there were no RT Exam from this day forward, he got the amendments that he and the entire Dental Board wanted, so he shouldn't be complaining to Gov. Davis.

Keep your fingers crossed and start drilling on your typodonts.

Scott
 
would just like to thank dentisthusband for that very enlightening post and for explaining all that "legalese" for everyone to understand. keep up the good work and please do keep all of us posted.
 
Thank you so much Scott for the news.
I have to pray even harder because I am still waiting for the Part 1 results. I have already started to study for part 2, because I am sure that everything will be just fine. There is a song in my country that says: " I will walk with faith because the faith never fails" ( sorry about my English, I am still learning 😳 ).

Anyway, let's just wait. 😉
 
Thank you for clarifying all our doubts. So do you mean that those of us who haven't cleared Part I and Part II have no scope of taking these RT exams and getting licenced in California?
 
you are right, madhup

Chuchuca, you'd be surprised how tight the time will be, even if you are ready to jump on to the next exam, the slow- working ADA will really take you in awe...they will need lots of time for" updating the computers" " processing the applications" " oh....we don't know what happened, why your files were mistaken..." that sort of things.....I squeezed the inter-time between part I and part II to the minimum possible, and took part 2 the next day after making an appointment with Prometric Center. Be prepared, if you want to catch the deadline of Bench, you have to be willing to fly anywhere in the US to take the exam ASAP...


ADA is gonna drive you NUTS
 
I suggest that you prepare your application forms for the RT exam this early and send them to your respective dental schools for the necessary signatures now. There
is little time. You would want them back to you stat, or you miss the deadline.

Ivorinedust

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"Apolonia, relieve me of my toothache!"
 
hi guys
i am planning to take the part2 in frist week of dec .. is it too late .....
 
Kosha,
The short answer is no. You have until Dec 31 to take the exam. If you pass the exam, you must send in your application to take the RT by April 2004.
 
Hey Scott and everyone else,
So has anything been finalised by the senate as yet. We are drawing close to our deadline. I dont know about you guys, but I am really stressed out with all this issuse. So, if anyone has any information, please post up. So, all of us can relax from long stress we all have had over last one year.


And once again, I would like to thank all the people making such a good effort in keeping rest of us updated through this forum. Good luck to everyone.
 
Hi Cali_dds and everyone else,

I spoke with Andy Martinez on Friday evening and AB 1467 has been read into the legislative record 3 times, which is a necessary step for a yes/no vote. If you check its status at the California Legislature website you may see some mnor amendments being made. They are technical in nature and will not be changing the core provisions of the bill. One of the amendments will be made to drop the 2/3 majority vote requirement. Andy seems fairly confident that the bill will be approved by the Senate this coming week and that the Assembly will also approve it nearly immediately. I know that the deadline draws near, but it appears that the bill will in fact be approved by the legislature before the deadline.

Scott
 
Hi Scott,

What is the latest news about this?? I checked the site and it says Third Hearing was held today. How many more days we have to wait?? Sep 15th is comming near and praying hard that this will make it through...

Thanks for updating all of us in advance.
 
instead of third read and vote in the senate, now it is "Re-referred to Com. on RLS" Something is dragging this bill and I wonder what it is. I am getting a bad vibe on this ..... not much time left to clear both houses (and now the additional task of the Com. on RLS)

Anybody else has more info?

- tengu
 
Hey I didnt get. What does "Re-referred to Com. on RLS" mean? I am not understanding. I thought everything was going very smooth.

Hey scott, can you explain whats the situation like. And also what does andy have to say to this.
 
Hi Cali, Tengu, Kosha and All,

I was going to reassure you that the Rules Comm. referral was no big deal and just part of the onging process. But I just called Andy Martinez and he was surprised by the referral and had expected the bill to be voted on by the full Senate today. He told me that the Senate sponsor of the bill is Dr. Aanestad for the floor vote. I hope that the good Doctor is not trying to throw a last minute wrench in the works but I cannot reassure you about that. Andy was short with me after I informed him of the Rules Comm. referral and hurried to get off the phone so that he could go to work on shepherding the Bill. I will post an update this afternoon after I again talk with Andy.

Scott
 
Hi All,

I just talked to Andy Martinez. It turns out that AB 1467 needed to be an "urgent" measure in order to get approved out of the Senate. So tomorrow the bill will be upgraded to urgent status and be voted on by the full Senate. The downside of urgent status is that it requires a supermajority vote of 2/3 of the members. If the bill is approved by the Senate it will immediately be sent to the Assembly for approval. The Legislature often works right up until midnight on the last day of the session, and the last day of this session is Friday. So there is hope right up until midnight on Friday night of this week.

Now for the bad news. The Republicans in the Assembly are being *!#&**. They are threatening to withhold approval on any and all bills because they are peeved about something in the current budget. So they are obstructing any and all bills regardless of the bill's impact upon the budget. When a bill requires a 2/3 approval it is very easy for a few mean spirited party ideologues to obstruct bills for their own selfish agenda. Please check this forum tomorrow and if the bill gets out of the Senate, I will post a message and urge you to phone and e-mail the Reublican members of the Assembly. If we can muster enough messages to members of the Assembly we might be able to impact the outcome. If the bill is not approved by Friday at midnight, it dies in this legislative session.

Let me end on a positive note. If the bill does not get approved during this session, it will have been more because of the Schwarzenegger/Bustamante/Davis circus than any other cause. This recall stupidity is a once in a lifetime event and will eventually end. Andy sounded rather defeated this afternoon, but he assured me that the bill can and will be reintroduced during the January legislative session. If it needs to reintroduced in January (ie: doesn't pass right now), it will not need to go through any committee hearings but can go directly to a vote of the full legislative body. The bill as it is currently written has not received any opposition whatsoever, so it is reasonable to believe that it can eventually be approved. Then all we will need to do is convince whoever is then sitting as Governor to sign the bill into law. Think positively and prepare all of your friends and family to work the phone lines and keyboards tomorrow if necessary. The more people who try to shame the legislators into doing their job the more likely we are to see a favorable outcome.

Scott
 
A few random thoughts ....

- This bill flip flopped from non-urgent to urgent (and similarly for 1/2 and 2/3 majority) several times. Somebody goofed 🙁 We lost valuable time.

- If the bill is not passed in this session, it will probably pass early next year. The impact on the RT schedule is minimal because the first exam is around April. However all of us (foreign dentists and their spouse) will have our lives on balance for another 6 months 😡

- Arnold is the dark horse here. I have no doubt any democrat governor will sign the bill, not so sure about Arnold. The dark age of blaming every ills in California on immigrants wasn't such a distance memory. With this economy the immigrants can easily be the scape goats again 😡

- tengu
 
Hi all,

Here is the list of eamil of all Republican Assembly members. Please Please and PLEASE Send them email and ask them to pass this bill. For them it's only matter of saying YES or NO.. I am sure they will not even Think what is this bill about.... What I am saying is let's send mail today only, why to wait till tomorrow. I don't want to west any time now.

Here is the email list of all the republican assembly members.

[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

This list if of ONLY REPUBLICAN members. not all.

Lets hope for the best... Scott, will wait for your update like anything tomorrow.. hope I will get some sleep in the night.... 🙁
 
Kosha is right, the sooner the Assemblymembers get messages and the more times that they get them, the better the chances for approval of the bill. So if any of you are discouraged or disappointed, then take that energy and put it to positive action by writing the members of the Assembly.

Regarding the time lost; it ain't over until its over. We may yet see this thing through to fruition. So keep trying to win passage right up until midnight. Don't feel like the time has been wasted because this has always been an uphill battle for the sponsors of the Bill. The reason that they tried to get the urgency removed was to avoid the 2/3 vote. That didn't work out so they are adapting to the circumstances. It wasn't an error on the part of Andy and Assemblymember Negrete-McLeod, but rather a tactic that didn't bear fruit. The reason that we now find ourselves at the 11th hour is that Andy and his team have tried to get the best bill through the legislature that they possibly could. They tried to get the deadline for passage of the NBDE's to a later date so more candidates would have the opportunity to take the RT Exam. So please take the time to write a thank you e-mail to the Assemblymember regardless of what happens.

Tengu, you and I are in the same boat and I share your suspicions about Arnold and his Posse, so I know how you feel. Still I have hope that this will come to pass for all of our mutual benefit.

Scott
 
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