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I am not a big fan of doing interviews where the outcome is predetermined. It sounds like in this case it was. The only way you can spin it is that the owner makes the final call. However, I can't see the owner going against OP's evaluation of candidates. Out of curiosity, how many pharmacists were interviewed for this position?
 
M0df said:
I am not a big fan of doing interviews where the outcome is predetermined. It sounds like in this case it was. The only way you can spin it is that the owner makes the final call. However, I can't see the owner going against OP's evaluation of candidates. Out of curiosity, how many pharmacists were interviewed for this position?
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It was not predetermined. I was actually willing to talk to her with an opened mind set. I mentioned in earlier posts on what i was looking for in a partner pharmacist.

I interviewed about 10 so far. 5 more scheduled. About 50 applicants applied within first two days of posting.
 
VictorOfHungerGames said:
Yeah... i don't know if you know what it means to be vindictive but this ain't it chief. If I wanted to be vindictive, I would actually hire her and treat her like crap lol Only reason I interviewed her was because the owner asked me to, detail I thought unnecessary to mention but clearly needed for some people. haha.
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I mean in your own words you admit the only reason you interviewed her is because the owner wanted you to. That seems pretty vindictive to me.

Maybe you are right and I just don’t know what vindictive means.
 
BidingMyTime said:
I took the OP at face value, that he was just warning us all to be nice to everyone, and then gave an example of where his former preceptor is going to have to go above and beyond to get hired, instead of just being in the general resume slush pile.
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I must be the crazy one because to me OP comes across very differently. For example calling me “chief” - why? I guess I just get a different vibe from them then you do.
 
owlegrad said:
I mean in your own words you admit the only reason you interviewed her is because the owner wanted you to. That seems pretty vindictive to me.

Maybe you are right and I just don’t know what vindictive means.
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How is interviewing her because the owner wanted to in any sense being vindictive?!

Yes, if i wanted to call her in and laugh at her face, degrade, belittle her and just totally be unprofessional about the whole thing, i would agree with your argument.

Its not like i purposely looked her up, contacted her without letting her know that its me and called her in.

We posted the job. She applied. Owner saw the application. Asked if i can interview her. I did. Totally professional. Nice chat. Shook hands. Talked about my journey since i was at her rotation site. She told me about what happened with her PIC position. I sympathized, genuinely. But as i said before, her sense of arrogance was still there. Is that wrong? Does that make her a bad person? No, but it does make question hiring her as a community pharmacist who has to deal with the general public.

Geez... yall need to seriously purge your own guilty past lol
 
owlegrad said:
I must be the crazy one because to me OP comes across very differently. For example calling me “chief” - why? I guess I just get a different vibe from them then you do.
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Have you not seen the “this aint it, cheif” meme? Wow. You got something else to worry about if you were offended by me using a popular meme as a joke... seriously lol
 
owlegrad said:
I must be the crazy one because to me OP comes across very differently. For example calling me “chief” - why? I guess I just get a different vibe from them then you do.
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Eh it's time to move on. Not sure what responding to a thread has anything to do with our own pasts. Clearly OP can't see what he is doing is wrong.

OPs plan was to start a thread and have everyone laugh at this person.....oops that backfired.
 
VictorOfHungerGames said:
How is interviewing her because the owner wanted to in any sense being vindictive?!

Yes, if i wanted to call her in and laugh at her face, degrade, belittle her and just totally be unprofessional about the whole thing, i would agree with your argument.

Its not like i purposely looked her up, contacted her without letting her know that its me and called her in.

We posted the job. She applied. Owner saw the application. Asked if i can interview her. I did. Totally professional. Nice chat. Shook hands. Talked about my journey since i was at her rotation site. She told me about what happened with her PIC position. I sympathized, genuinely. But as i said before, her sense of arrogance was still there. Is that wrong? Does that make her a bad person? No, but it does make question hiring her as a community pharmacist who has to deal with the general public.
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Here is what I get from this post. "It's not vindictive because I could have been way meaner to her about it!". I think interviewing someone you don't plan to hire is pretty vindictive. Yes, it's less vindictive than laughing in her face or hiring her with the plan to make her job a living hell, you got me there.

VictorOfHungerGames said:
Geez... yall need to seriously purge your own guilty past lol
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This is the tone that I am referring to above. Disagreeing with you (or just flat misreading your tone) doesn't mean that I have a guilty past. You seem to not want people to jump to conclusions when reading your posts and then make far larger jumps yourself. If this is some kind of meta example to prove your point I have to admit that it is fairly effective.

VictorOfHungerGames said:
Have you not seen the “this aint it, cheif” meme? Wow. You got something else to worry about if you were offended by me using a popular meme as a joke... seriously lol
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I actually have not seen that meme, so I did miss the humor in it. I will take your advice and remember to "be nice to people =)". It is good advice after all.

wagrxm2000 said:
Eh it's time to move on. Not sure what responding to a thread has anything to do with our own pasts. Clearly OP can't see what he is doing is wrong.
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Yeah, I guess in their mind there is nothing wrong with interviewing someone you don't plan to hire as long as you are nice to them about it. After all, the owner did ask them to.

I am not totally sure I haven't been trolled.
 
owlegrad said:
Here is what I get from this post. "It's not vindictive because I could have been way meaner to her about it!". I think interviewing someone you don't plan to hire is pretty vindictive. Yes, it's less vindictive than laughing in her face or hiring her with the plan to make her job a living hell, you got me there.



This is the tone that I am referring to above. Disagreeing with you (or just flat misreading your tone) doesn't mean that I have a guilty past. You seem to not want people to jump to conclusions when reading your posts and then make far larger jumps yourself. If this is some kind of meta example to prove your point I have to admit that it is fairly effective.



I actually have not seen that meme, so I did miss the humor in it. I will take your advice and remember to "be nice to people =)". It is good advice after all.



Yeah, I guess in their mind there is nothing wrong with interviewing someone you don't plan to hire as long as you are nice to them about it. After all, the owner did ask them to.

I am not totally sure I haven't been trolled.
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Again, who told you that i was not planning on hiring her even before interviewing her? Are you trying to convince yourself of this? You think i wasted my time during a busy day to interview her just so i can stick it to her?

I imagine it wouldve been awkward for her, or maybe not, but it was certainly awkward for me. Knowing how she treated her students she mustve known this. The reason i said you should be nice to others is this. Now if you dont agree, thats fine. Just move on. But wjy are you making wild accusations of me being vindictive when i was doing my job?

I need a part time pharmacist. Shouldnt I interview as much candidates as i can?
 
VictorOfHungerGames said:
Again, who told you that i was not planning on hiring her even before interviewing her?
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You said you only interviewed her because the owner asked you to. Is it a bridge to far to think you won't hire someone you wouldn't even interview unless your boss asked you to? At the very least you were less likely to hire her than a stranger who you didn't perceive as condescending.

VictorOfHungerGames said:
I need a part time pharmacist. Shouldnt I interview as much candidates as i can?
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Well there are probably different schools of thought on the matter but personally I never interviewed more than a handful of candidates for any job opening. I have never hired pharmacists though. Still my process was to review job applications and select the top three or so and try to contact those people. In my experience I never got all my top picks in for an interview (a phenomenon I never understood - why do people apply for a job that they then do not respond to contact from?) so I would keep going down the list until I got about three interviews scheduled. Then I picked my favorite from those few. In a few cases I didn't want any of my picks so I would go back to the applications and schedule more interviews.
 
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VictorOfHungerGames said:
It was not predetermined. I was actually willing to talk to her with an opened mind set. I mentioned in earlier posts on what i was looking for in a partner pharmacist.

I interviewed about 10 so far. 5 more scheduled. About 50 applicants applied within first two days of posting.
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Good grief, is there any such thing as a pharmacist job posting that doesn't receive 40-50+ applicants within the first few days of being posted?
 
I honestly don't see any mention that the OP attacked the preceptor during the interview. What he feels toward the preceptor before is irrelevant as long as he conducted the interview the way he's supposed to, and he probably did because the owner was also there.

Though how do you appear as arrogant in an interview is beyond me. You only have 45 minutes to not go full Omarosa especially competing for a job that is not your forte.
 
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Sabril said:
I honestly don't see any mention that the OP attacked the preceptor during the interview. What he feels toward the preceptor before is irrelevant as long as he conducted the interview the way he's supposed to, and he probably did because the owner was also there.

Though how do you appear as arrogant in an interview is beyond me. You only have 45 minutes to not go full Omarosa especially competing for a job that is not your forte.
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There were situational questions we asked such as how would you handle such and such. Although she answered confidently, it came off as arrogant as well. I think you can sense arrogance in people even if you talk to them for 10 minutes in certain situations.
 
Hedgehog32 said:
Good grief, is there any such thing as a pharmacist job posting that doesn't receive 40-50+ applicants within the first few days of being posted?
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Well, when the owner posted a full time position for this other pharmacy thats in the middle of nowhere, he said with in the first three days there were 100 applicants. He stopped looking after 30 ha said. Haha.
 
VictorOfHungerGames said:
Well, when the owner posted a full time position for this other pharmacy thats in the middle of nowhere, he said with in the first three days there were 100 applicants. He stopped looking after 30 ha said. Haha.
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Wow, that's insane. With that many applicants, how on earth can someone really differentiate themselves from the other candidates if they have former retail experience? If at least 40 of the 100 applicants have experience and are therefore considered to be the most competitive candidates (assuming this is for a retail/community position and not hospital), then what else can someone who has experience really do to make themselves more competitive against the other 39 applicants?
 
A couple weeks ago i had an interview for a part time rph position at a clinic,where over 111 people applied! i interviewed well but i still have not heard from them yet! During my interview one of the interviewers mentioned that since i work for Cvs full time,it may be a problem as i have limited availability . so the market is rough!
 
ancienbon said:
A couple weeks ago i had an interview for a part time rph position at a clinic,where over 111 people applied! i interviewed well but i still have not heard from them yet! During my interview one of the interviewers mentioned that since i work for Cvs full time,it may be a problem as i have limited availability . so the market is rough!
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111.... WHAT! That's just unbelievable. I wonder how many residency-trained pharmacists applied, just out of curiosity.
 
Sabril said:
Though how do you appear as arrogant in an interview is beyond me.
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Well, there was this guy who showed up to his fellowship interview at the PPS a few years ago in a sweater and jeans because he "had a flight to catch after this" and talked as if he was the best thing since sliced bread and how he really wanted another fellowship but we would be an acceptable back-up should he fail to get it...
 
Hedgehog32 said:
111.... WHAT! That's just unbelievable. I wonder how many residency-trained pharmacists applied, just out of curiosity.
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Some websites tell you how many applicant are applying for the job you are applying. 50~100 was not unusual for pharmacist position for last 2~3 years.
 
Damn so much pointless virtual signaling.
 
Where are my mass quotes and 10 posts on the matter?
 
Ok, OP is not vindictive if he says so. For some of us though, actions/body language speaks louder than words...curious what former preceptor's perspective would be of OP post interview on the whole is OP vindictive or not? Re-iterating the original message of treating peers with respect...sure maybe preceptor treated OP inadequately/gave some much needed "tough-love" as a means of motivation/earning a seat @ the table (transitioning/earning the title of RPh) but the past is the past
 
RxVampire said:
Ok, OP is not vindictive if he says so. For some of us though, actions/body language speaks louder than words...curious what former preceptor's perspective would be of OP post interview on the whole is OP vindictive or not? Re-iterating the original message of treating peers with respect...sure maybe preceptor treated OP inadequately/gave some much needed "tough-love" as a means of motivation/earning a seat @ the table (transitioning/earning the title of RPh) but the past is the past
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Btw, she never mistreated me. She was just arrogant and condescending.

Also, not sure how that would be considered tough love. So her thinking that shes above everyone else just because of her residency and the fact that she was at the time a pic at a major hospital pharmacy is somehow considered a good thing, then i dont know what to tell ya...
 
VictorOfHungerGames said:
Btw, she never mistreated me. She was just arrogant and condescending.

Also, not sure how that would be considered tough love. So her thinking that shes above everyone else just because of her residency and the fact that she was at the time a pic at a major hospital pharmacy is somehow considered a good thing, then i dont know what to tell ya...
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Was she ever open/receptive for criticism? Anyone question her logic/reasoning for decisions? Or was she simply stuck in her own way of doing things? I had a few of my preceptors who had similar flaws; one of which more so acted in an arrogant fashion out of trying to motivate students to look up information and use evidence based recommendations for clinical decisions (be able to question authority with proper rebuttal) another preceptor who was just simply by the books, must go by pre-determined algorithms/hospital protocols without being able to explain anything (terrible experience).

The former being more like a drill Sargent wanting to ready her troops for combat (VERY positive experience) the latter being more reminiscent of a contributing to a toxic work environment (she was desperately trying to command undeserved respect and admiration, struggling from being perceived as young, naive, inexperienced, etc.). Needless to say she did not accept any criticism nor was she open to anyone else's opinions/perspectives on problem solving other than MDs.

Just saying, people act differently overtime based on status....teacher-student/RPh-RPh-intern vs. RPh-RPh. I feel it's alright to be a little "nasty" to RPh students until he/she earns his/her way. In the hell-whole that is modern day retail/"community", I rather enjoy playing pop-quiz on whatever drug my intern has in his/her hand as a means of motivating/trying to gauge quick wits needed for retail
 
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Interesting how people make subjective assumptions about the OP's intentions and proceed to make attacks on his character and family.
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Reirrac said:
Interesting how people make subjective assumptions about the OP's intentions and proceed to make attacks on his character and family. View attachment 288731
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The whole purpose of this thread was to laugh at the misfortunes of this preceptor because apparently knowing how to do your job and being direct is a bad trait to have.

Unfortunately we live in a snowflake world where you have to be cautious around everyone or you'll hurt their feelings.

What OP didn't realize was what they were doing is even worse then being confident in yourself.
 
wagrxm2000 said:
The whole purpose of this thread was to laugh at the misfortunes of this preceptor because apparently knowing how to do your job and being direct is a bad trait to have

What OP didn't realize was what they were doing is even worse then being confident in yourself.
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What did the OP do but interview someone who he previously perceived to be arrogant and condescending at the behest of his boss?
 
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owlegrad said:
Who attacked the OP’s family? What did I miss? Lol
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I attempted to explain how people get personally traits saying many come from their family.

Somehow OP thought I was talking about them.
 
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TranslationalRPh said:
What did the OP do but interview someone who he previously perceived to be arrogant and condescending at the behest of his boss?
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Why create a thread then?

I ate a sandwich yesterday, want to hear about that?
 
I would rather listen to a pair of Dockers tell me about the weird dream it had.
 
VictorOfHungerGames said:
Btw, she never mistreated me. She was just arrogant and condescending.

Also, not sure how that would be considered tough love. So her thinking that shes above everyone else just because of her residency and the fact that she was at the time a pic at a major hospital pharmacy is somehow considered a good thing, then i dont know what to tell ya...
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What made you think she thinks she is above everyone else? I am curious.
She is definitely above any intern she teaches so let`s make sure there was no confusion.
 
wagrxm2000 said:
Why create a thread then?

I ate a sandwich yesterday, want to hear about that?
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Of course, no one wants to hear about your crusty sandwich, but with over 90 replies, there clearly was keen interest in the OP's point.

I took what he said at face value: be careful who you condescend to, as you may need that person in the future. Who would have known that this tried and true troupe would have been controversial. Seems like common sense.
 
TranslationalRPh said:
Of course, no one wants to hear about your crusty sandwich, but with over 90 replies, there clearly was keen interest in the OP's point.

I took what he said at face value: be careful who you condescend to, as you may need that person in the future. Who would have known that this tried and true troupe would have been controversial. Seems like common sense.
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That is a very selective "there was no quid pro quo" interpretation of what happened. There - I have next-leveled the thread.
 
spacecowgirl said:
That is a very selective "there was no quid pro quo" interpretation of what happened. There - I have next-leveled the thread.
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Of course it is. Absent of knowing the original poster, I have zero visibility into his intent. Thus, if he repeatedly says he was not being vindictive, I am inclined to believe him because I have no evidence to the contrary. Most criticisms in this thread have been non-factual and possibly reckless opinions about his purported intent in posting, which is honestly impossible to know.

It's bewildering why people are so quick to assume the worst about someone (ie, the OP) who they don't know.
 
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I didn't see any harm in this post lol. I think all he was trying to point out was that pharmacy is a small world. There was a preceptor who used to boast about her residency in front of him and looked down those who didn't do one yet she is applying to a retail pharmacy (most likely non-residency trained pharmacists). Some of you guys are overthinking and escalating the situation lol. But I'll let yall continue while I enjoy my popcorn
 
Here's the thing and my biggest issue. You can say be nice to everyone or you get what you deserve. Some may agree with that and feel the preceptor got what they deserved and we should laugh at them.

I believe we should forgive people and give everyone a fair chance, not laugh at their misfortunes.

I don't think a thread needs to be made to go after this preceptor and I also don't think OP sees they are just as bad as the preceptor.
 
Good or bad I'm interested in knowing how an employer thinks, and we don't get a lot of perspectives from actual employers. It's an employer's market after all no matter how unreasonable it may be in their heads.
 
rxkrafted said:
I didn't see any harm in this post lol. I think all he was trying to point out was that pharmacy is a small world. There was a preceptor who used to boast about her residency in front of him and looked down those who didn't do one yet she is applying to a retail pharmacy (most likely non-residency trained pharmacists). Some of you guys are overthinking and escalating the situation lol. But I'll let yall continue while I enjoy my popcorn
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Let me join ya. nom nom nom. lol
 
wagrxm2000 said:
I don't think a thread needs to be made to go after this preceptor and I also don't think OP sees they are just as bad as the preceptor.
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And you sure fail to see the arrogance of your "holier than thou" declarations. So, it just goes in circles.
 
Hels2007 said:
And you sure fail to see the arrogance of your "holier than thou" declarations. So, it just goes in circles.
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Hi I'm wagrxm2000 nice to meet you.
 
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