Freaking out

[jcve34]

I am beyond frustrated with having two separate classes being presented different material, and then having our grades averaged together. I think we (KC) got the easier practical this time (from what I've heard, at least), but myself and many classmates agree you guys get far better lecture material, and it doesn't sound like you have fellows teaching a lot of your classes like we lately have had. Many of us ignore our material now and use the joplin powerpoints and tutoring info. My biggest question is that if they're going to double down on this nonsense of combining our classes despite being taught differently, why don't the lecturers at least teach from the same damn powerpoint? It seems like total nonsense to me to have two different professors making two different powerpoints that stress two different POVs.



I assure you I am neither gifted in anatomy nor arrogant in my nonexistent abilities. I am well aware that many people did put in the time and didn't do well. Anyone can find themselves in a situation where they do a good job in anatomy and learn 80% of the structure list, and then get dinged repeatedly on the other 20% of material. It happens to all of us. Also, I would never presume to suggest my time in the anatomy lab was solely indicative of how much time other people were putting in. I'm more basing that off of the fact that an anatomy fellow told our table how surprised they were with how little our class went to the lab after-hours (this was after a guy in my group was complaining about the practical to them), and how sparse attendance was to many tutoring sessions. In any event, it appears things have changed because it's shoulder to shoulder in the anatomy lab now. Take that for what you will.



Don't forget that the average person (technically) in our classes have previous anatomy experience, so to even be approaching average without any past/significant anatomy experience is a win IMO. There is one guy in my class that has some sort of advanced degree related to anatomy and never goes to lab outside of dissection, and then did great on the last test. I'm sure there are many people like that, maybe not to the same degree, that are bumping up the averages for the rest of us.

Glad to hear that last years problems weren’t solved. Just you wait. The ride only gets more chaotic. Neuro is pretty much the crown jewel of crazy between the two campuses. All you can do is show up every day and give your best. That’s what my class learned to do.

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[NecrotizingFasciitis]

Oh I agree Dennis is better. I like Wright over Carter though

My fave histo profs last year were Dennis & Olinger. Dennis goes out of her way to help you out (if you reach out) & Olinger is hilarious & tells you exactly what's on the exam.

There was one time I e-mailed Dr. Dennis because I was confused about the histology of the gastro-esophageal junction & she sent me multiple emails back with explanations & extra pictures she found. One of those profs that's truly looking' out for students. Dr. Karius is like that too; you guys will love her for cardio/pulm.

 

[birdgang211]

Shoutout to the guy/gal at KC yesterday who pissed off Dr. Dennis by taking pictures of her review session when she specifically said not to. They just ruined it for everybody.

 

[PorkChopsOG]

What are the curriculum changes?

Is Puthoff still teaching Pathology?

I can't even imagine histology and embryology being in the curriculum since we never had that.

2nd year here, as far as I know they didn't change much, if anything, for 2nd year curriculum. Last year the curriculum changes mainly involved changing what test questions were used, as now there are 2 campuses, therefore 2 professors should write questions for the exams. That was fun. However Puthoff and Dobson still teach pathology, and we still use Robbins as primary material.

 

[ohmanwaddup]

I'm just praying that gray's is a good mark of where I stand cause I'm actually doing really good on those this time

 

[BellaWriterChic]

I'm just praying that gray's is a good mark of where I stand cause I'm actually doing really good on those this time

Same. Also doing lots of online histo questions. Trying not to punt histo like I did embryo

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[sab3156]

I assure you I am neither gifted in anatomy nor arrogant in my nonexistent abilities. I am well aware that many people did put in the time and didn't do well. Anyone can find themselves in a situation where they do a good job in anatomy and learn 80% of the structure list, and then get dinged repeatedly on the other 20% of material. It happens to all of us. Also, I would never presume to suggest my time in the anatomy lab was solely indicative of how much time other people were putting in. I'm more basing that off of the fact that an anatomy fellow told our table how surprised they were with how little our class went to the lab after-hours (this was after a guy in my group was complaining about the practical to them), and how sparse attendance was to many tutoring sessions. In any event, it appears things have changed because it's shoulder to shoulder in the anatomy lab now. Take that for what you will.

You missed the point. The fact is that your subjective judgment of "people didn't spend enough time in the lab and that correlates with the lower grades" has no basis. Not only is the assumption baseless (based on what some anatomy fellow, who isn't there all the time, said), it is also ridiculous to try and formulate a reasoning based simply on time spent in lab for why the practical grades were lower this year... The course is organized completely differently now, and it clearly sucks. Stop coming up with rationalizations for the low average that blame your classmates. Don't be that guy who keeps saying "well, I did fine compared to my classmates, and it's probably because they all sat at home instead of coming to lab, YEAH" when your classmates clearly got destroyed because of a change to the structure of the course.

 

[Magus5454]

You missed the point. The fact is that your subjective judgment of "people didn't spend enough time in the lab and that correlates with the lower grades" has no basis. Not only is the assumption baseless (based on what some anatomy fellow, who isn't there all the time, said), it is also ridiculous to try and formulate a reasoning based simply on time spent in lab for why the practical grades were lower this year... The course is organized completely differently now, and it clearly sucks. Stop coming up with rationalizations for the low average that blame your classmates. Don't be that guy who keeps saying "well, I did fine compared to my classmates, and it's probably because they all sat at home instead of coming to lab, YEAH" when your classmates clearly got destroyed because of a change to the structure of the course.

Holy crap, I agree with Sab for once, world is ending

 

[sab3156]

Holy crap, I agree with Sab for once, world is ending

Don't get so comfortable.

 

[sky778]

I am beyond frustrated with having two separate classes being presented different material, and then having our grades averaged together. I think we (KC) got the easier practical this time (from what I've heard, at least), but myself and many classmates agree you guys get far better lecture material, and it doesn't sound like you have fellows teaching a lot of your classes like we lately have had. Many of us ignore our material now and use the joplin powerpoints and tutoring info. My biggest question is that if they're going to double down on this nonsense of combining our classes despite being taught differently, why don't the lecturers at least teach from the same damn powerpoint? It seems like total nonsense to me to have two different professors making two different powerpoints that stress two different POVs.



I assure you I am neither gifted in anatomy nor arrogant in my nonexistent abilities. I am well aware that many people did put in the time and didn't do well. Anyone can find themselves in a situation where they do a good job in anatomy and learn 80% of the structure list, and then get dinged repeatedly on the other 20% of material. It happens to all of us. Also, I would never presume to suggest my time in the anatomy lab was solely indicative of how much time other people were putting in. I'm more basing that off of the fact that an anatomy fellow told our table how surprised they were with how little our class went to the lab after-hours (this was after a guy in my group was complaining about the practical to them), and how sparse attendance was to many tutoring sessions. In any event, it appears things have changed because it's shoulder to shoulder in the anatomy lab now. Take that for what you will.



Don't forget that the average person (technically) in our classes have previous anatomy experience, so to even be approaching average without any past/significant anatomy experience is a win IMO. There is one guy in my class that has some sort of advanced degree related to anatomy and never goes to lab outside of dissection, and then did great on the last test. I'm sure there are many people like that, maybe not to the same degree, that are bumping up the averages for the rest of us.

Well if you don’t find how offensive and arrogant your post is...I don’t know what to say. “Anatomy is just memorization and regurgitation” “people just don’t spend enough time” “I did fine”. This is hilarious especially coming from a first year med student who didn’t even finish ONE anatomy class. SDN is not a place for you to humble brag.

 

[ohmanwaddup]

whelp Today is the day and I'm pretty scared. Hoping I can be successful. Good luck yall

 

[Sephirakra]

whelp Today is the day and I'm pretty scared. Hoping I can be successful. Good luck yall

Here goes nothing!

 

[popopopop]

Well if you don’t find how offensive and arrogant your post is...I don’t know what to say. “Anatomy is just memorization and regurgitation” “people just don’t spend enough time” “I did fine”. This is hilarious especially coming from a first year med student who didn’t even finish ONE anatomy class. SDN is not a place for you to humble brag.

Dude, it's just his opinion. I thought the same about anatomy :/.

 

[futuredoctor1995]

The exam was hard but the practical was not bad... hopefully there is a big curve on it. :/

 

[Magus5454]

The exam was hard but the practical was not bad... hopefully there is a big curve on it. :/

I felt great about the practical, did ok on the written.

 

[Mr. D.O.five]

tbh, I ended up doing better in the practicals in which I spent LESS time in lab. I have no idea why and I can't really comment on that. I think my average on all the practicals last year was like a 82% so I'm not the best at anatomy.

 

[Mr. D.O.five]

I will say this in a respectful manner - anatomy by all means IS one of the most challenging class for all medical students and this is coming from a top anatomist in the world who is also an educator for the medical field. You are not in the lab 24/7 so the fact that you think your peers don’t put as much effort needed to ace the class is ignorant. We get it, some people are just good at anatomy and you may be one of them. But never point fingers at your classmates and think that they didn’t study as hard as they need to. Please be humble and professional.

that was such a cute rant huehue

 

[ohmanwaddup]

Got the best score I've gotten on a exam so far on the written (Not counting OMM and PCM) but I'm still short of my goal of raw score of 80, though the gap has shrunk from 6-5 questions off to 4-3. Seems like I consistently make small critical thinking errors and end up with 3-4 stupid mistakes. The practical felt good. Hoping for a good grade. I did much better on the mock this time around. Base case scenario I can have a raw average of 70% or higher and then be at an 80 with the curve.

 

[Magus5454]

Got the best score I've gotten on a exam so far on the written (Not counting OMM and PCM) but I'm still short of my goal of raw score of 80, though the gap has shrunk from 6-5 questions off to 4-3. Seems like I consistently make small critical thinking errors and end up with 3-4 stupid mistakes. The practical felt good. Hoping for a good grade. I did much better on the mock this time around. Base case scenario I can have a raw average of 70% or higher and then be at an 80 with the curve.

I felt great about the practical, I did a few stupid mistakes(Put lateral for the posterior tibial pulse...derp) but I did fairly well on the written.

 

[ohmanwaddup]

I felt great about the practical, I did a few stupid mistakes(Put lateral for the posterior tibial pulse...derp) but I did fairly well on the written.

Yeah same. I convinced my self that you have to Evert your feet for the pulse. Stupid mistakes

 

[Mr. D.O.five]

I felt great about the practical, I did a few stupid mistakes(Put lateral for the posterior tibial pulse...derp) but I did fairly well on the written.

You mean artery right? I hope you didn't put pulse

 

[Magus5454]

You mean artery right? I hope you didn't put pulse

The question was what motions(invert) and where to feel the pulse. It was the written not the practical

 

[Magus5454]

On a practical note you never really feel for the posterior tibial because the person can have fine blood flow and you still can't feel it. Docs use dorsalis pedis instead. Maybe the vascular guys palpate for it, dunno

I do know that, was just a dumb mistake where I knew the answer and put the wrong one

 

[Magus5454]

Ugh... I wasn't even commenting on your exam. Just relaying that it's not really used in practice.

Though, out of curiosity, how would you know physicians don't really feel for the posterior tibial?

It's been mentioned a few times

 

[fldoctorgirl]

Also got my highest exam score thus far, not including OS. Would've been even higher if I had gone with my gut for a few of the questions where I changed my answer last minute-- this is a problem of mine that I'm working on, though.

Felt pretty good about the practical too. Think I'm going to be alright to pass

 

[fldoctorgirl]

Put lateral for the posterior tibial pulse...derp

I got that right because it was a question straight out of Gray's

 

[Magus5454]

I got that right because it was a question straight out of Gray's

I knew it, I just literally put the wrong answer

 

[ohmanwaddup]

Also got my highest exam score thus far, not including OS. Would've been even higher if I had gone with my gut for a few of the questions where I changed my answer last minute-- this is a problem of mine that I'm working on, though.

Felt pretty good about the practical too. Think I'm going to be alright to pass

Ugh right? Pretty sure I changed 3-4 questions from right to wrong. I might start a no change policy whatsoever

 

[fldoctorgirl]

Ugh right? Pretty sure I changed 3-4 questions from right to wrong. I might start a no change policy whatsoever

I started that policy and my scores have improved a lot. Sometimes, though, I let a few slip through. Gonna keep working on committing to my gut 100%.

In other news, guess who is totally unprepared for Tuesday's CPA?

 

[sab3156]

In other news, guess who is totally unprepared for Tuesday's CPA?

Several friends of mine from first year are in the same boat. I told them what I'll tell you now - you will get way better at preparing for CPAs throughout the year. During the first half of the year, they're pretty stressful because you don't really know what's going on and how you're going to be assessed. But then you get better and better at cramming within a day or two everything you need to know.

I would get a regular group of 2 or 3 other people together a couple of days before the CPA. Before this, spend a few hours and watch all the lab videos on double speed and make notes in the OSCEs. Have an idea in your head of how to do that stuff, and then get together and knock it out. You guys can literally cram it all in several hours within one day, and then review it the next day if needed.

It sucks to have to learn something as stupid as OMM, but eventually it becomes super easy to spend as little amount of time on it as possible and still do really well on the CPAs.

 

[Magus5454]

I started that policy and my scores have improved a lot. Sometimes, though, I let a few slip through. Gonna keep working on committing to my gut 100%.

In other news, guess who is totally unprepared for Tuesday's CPA?

Me!

 

[mimelim]

On a practical note you never really feel for the posterior tibial because the person can have fine blood flow and you still can't feel it. Docs use dorsalis pedis instead. Maybe the vascular guys palpate for it, dunno

Ugh... I wasn't even commenting on your exam. Just relaying that it's not really used in practice.

Though, out of curiosity, how would you know physicians don't really feel for the posterior tibial?

You should be feeling for both the DP and PT in every patient that you are evaluating the lower extremity circulation in. There are many patients that will have a jamming PT, but not a DP or vice versa. They are equally superficial and the same caliber artery. Frankly, anyone that tells you otherwise doesn't know basic anatomy and haven't done many physical exams. This is not a "vascular guys do it" thing. This is a basic physical exam thing. That having said, there are plenty of physicians out there that haven't mastered the basic physical exam.

Don't be that consultant who calls for lower extremity ischemia and not even have a basic pulse exam. You look like an idiot.

 

[Black Coffee 24/7]

It's been mentioned a few times

This is my issue with clinical medicine being taught during preclinical years. It's either being taught by terrible clinicians or PhDs. Personally, on my surgery rotation for workup of PAD, I always palpate both both PT and DP pulses. I was taught that way by my vascular residents and surgeons. Lastly, you can definitely feel the pulses.

So, for the clinical stuff that they teach you during the preclinical years, just learn as much as possible to play the game. However, you should def expect to be corrected multiple times by specialists on the proper ways to doing things in clinical medicine during your 3rd year. The excuse for screwups by blaming on your preclinical education always works so far with me.

 

[ohmanwaddup]

I started that policy and my scores have improved a lot. Sometimes, though, I let a few slip through. Gonna keep working on committing to my gut 100%.

In other news, guess who is totally unprepared for Tuesday's CPA?

ReTweet. Only good news is that the names of the procedures say what to do for half of them.

 

[fldoctorgirl]

Several friends of mine from first year are in the same boat. I told them what I'll tell you now - you will get way better at preparing for CPAs throughout the year. During the first half of the year, they're pretty stressful because you don't really know what's going on and how you're going to be assessed. But then you get better and better at cramming within a day or two everything you need to know.

I would get a regular group of 2 or 3 other people together a couple of days before the CPA. Before this, spend a few hours and watch all the lab videos on double speed and make notes in the OSCEs. Have an idea in your head of how to do that stuff, and then get together and knock it out. You guys can literally cram it all in several hours within one day, and then review it the next day if needed.

It sucks to have to learn something as stupid as OMM, but eventually it becomes super easy to spend as little amount of time on it as possible and still do really well on the CPAs.

I'm more irritated by the way they scheduled this CPA. We just had our MSK final on Friday, and they hit us with a CPA on Tuesday right when we're starting immuno, which they keep telling us is going to be a hard class. Then, we don't have our next CPA till like, December. So, why couldn't this one be scheduled for next week after our immuno midterm?

 

[BellaWriterChic]

I'm more irritated by the way they scheduled this CPA. We just had our MSK final on Friday, and they hit us with a CPA on Tuesday right when we're starting immuno, which they keep telling us is going to be a hard class. Then, we don't have our next CPA till like, December. So, why couldn't this one be scheduled for next week after our immuno midterm?

Looking ahead we have a PCM midterm the Monday before our HDM final.

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[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I'm more irritated by the way they scheduled this CPA. We just had our MSK final on Friday, and they hit us with a CPA on Tuesday right when we're starting immuno, which they keep telling us is going to be a hard class. Then, we don't have our next CPA till like, December. So, why couldn't this one be scheduled for next week after our immuno midterm?

Immuno in my opinion was the easiest course first year. You literally just need to sit down and look at the big picture.

 

[CharlieChan93]

Hey guys - stumbled upon this thread while looking up KCU. Is there really campus divide? One campus getting material / curve and not the other? I know it’s a great school, would you guys still recommend checking it out even with the hiccups? Would you still have come here knowing what you know now?


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[jcve34]

Hey guys - stumbled upon this thread while looking up KCU. Is there really campus divide? One campus getting material / curve and not the other? I know it’s a great school, would you guys still recommend checking it out even with the hiccups? Would you still have come here knowing what you know now?

You should still look into the school if you want KCUMB. It has a few hiccups but as a 2nd year I don’t even notice the other campus anymore. For some reason it just seems to effect the 1st year class (like last year). Hopefully that changes. If more mandatory classes are added I would look elsewhere

 

[Coltuna]

Hey guys - stumbled upon this thread while looking up KCU. Is there really campus divide? One campus getting material / curve and not the other? I know it’s a great school, would you guys still recommend checking it out even with the hiccups? Would you still have come here knowing what you know now?


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Keep in mind that the majority of comments on this thread by KCU students came after a relatively difficult part of the first half of first year (according to multiple 2nd years I've spoken to). In years past, MSK lower extremity was the first part of the third block, so students had 2 blocks to figure out their study habits AND started with the easier part of MSK. This year, the first part of 2nd block was upper extremity MSK, so this was a big study adjustment for many.

 

[Magus5454]

Hey guys - stumbled upon this thread while looking up KCU. Is there really campus divide? One campus getting material / curve and not the other? I know it’s a great school, would you guys still recommend checking it out even with the hiccups? Would you still have come here knowing what you know now?


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Yes I'd still come here.

 

[CharlieChan93]

Thanks jvc. A slight pro for me was the optional attendance, is this really being jeopardized? I also heard that there’s going to be a lot more research opportunities, does that claim hold any water? Thanks again


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[You shall know the Truth]

Hey guys - stumbled upon this thread while looking up KCU. Is there really campus divide? One campus getting material / curve and not the other? I know it’s a great school, would you guys still recommend checking it out even with the hiccups? Would you still have come here knowing what you know now?


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No, both get the curve and the material thing has improved over last year and this year. I would encourage you to look at other schools as well.

 

[CharlieChan93]

Cool thanks everyone I appreciate it


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[Magus5454]

You should still look into the school if you want KCUMB. It has a few hiccups but as a 2nd year I don’t even notice the other campus anymore. For some reason it just seems to effect the 1st year class (like last year). Hopefully that changes. If more mandatory classes are added I would look elsewhere

Thanks jvc. A slight pro for me was the optional attendance, is this really being jeopardized? I also heard that there’s going to be a lot more research opportunities, does that claim hold any water? Thanks again


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I haven't been to a lecture except bioethics in over a month

 

[ohmanwaddup]

Hey guys - stumbled upon this thread while looking up KCU. Is there really campus divide? One campus getting material / curve and not the other? I know it’s a great school, would you guys still recommend checking it out even with the hiccups? Would you still have come here knowing what you know now?


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I'd still recommend, its been a great experience so far. You just have to be proactive. I don't see it as a divide, I see it as having multiple teaching styles to use. For example, I was not the biggest fan on how one prof taught anatomy at a campus, but loved how the other one taught.

 

[fldoctorgirl]

Hey guys - stumbled upon this thread while looking up KCU. Is there really campus divide? One campus getting material / curve and not the other? I know it’s a great school, would you guys still recommend checking it out even with the hiccups? Would you still have come here knowing what you know now?


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There isn't a divide between the campuses (at least this year). I agree with other posters-- there's more material out there if you prefer one teacher's style over another. Our curve is the same, and in theory exam questions are supposed to be reviewed by professors from both campuses. There are of course hiccups but any school will have them and overall I really like the school. I picked KCU over 5 other acceptances and I would do it again.

Also, attendance isn't much of an issue. I haven't been to a lecture in like a month lol

 

[jcve34]

I haven't been to a lecture except bioethics in over a month

Isn’t OS mandatory now?

 

[BellaWriterChic]

Agreed with what was said above. The lectures from both campuses are recorded so you can watch lectures from either campus. Lecture material is also available. The curve is cross campus, there is no different curve between the campuses. Only lectures that are required are noted on the calendar (which are few and far between) but I go to lecture regularly. Professors care about how we do (at least the ones that I have interacted with). I would come back if I had to choose again.

 

[sab3156]

Yes I'd still come here.

You have completed only two classes, my friend.

Hey guys - stumbled upon this thread while looking up KCU. Is there really campus divide? One campus getting material / curve and not the other? I know it’s a great school, would you guys still recommend checking it out even with the hiccups? Would you still have come here knowing what you know now?


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Personally, after witnessing what happened last year, I highly suggest you look into other schools.