Full Rides to Medical School

[batman1983]

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because more ORM's are compelled/pushed to pursue a career in medicine? Most URM applicants are outliers in their respective communities; if you ask a group of URM children what they want to be when they grow up, "doctor" wouldn't be a typical choice. And the few that say "doctor" are sometimes made to believe that it is not a realistic choice.

The same logic could be applied to Asians aspiring to play in the NFL. Just wanted to throw that out there.

 

[ksmi117]

It has come to the attention of the moderation staff that this thread is wildy off-topic. So let's back away from the ORM vs. URM discussion and walk back towards the original topic. If you can't remember what that was, I'll refresh your memory:

I was wondering which medical schools offer full rides based on merit/being an African American minority and what kind of GPA/MCAT score you have to attain to get them

 

[TooMuchResearch]

Some schools (Emory and Mayo come to mind, but I'm sure there are plenty of others) offer full-ride merit-based scholarships. I don't know of any specifically for African Americans, but I have a friend that is more likely than me to know the answer...I'll ask him next time I see him.

 

[scarletgirl777]

data shows that AA does actually stimulate to go and service the inner city. AA has been around for a while, w/ little scrutiny from the legislators (that you voted in). some states have tackled it, but those states really do not present a great amount of the groups we are talking about in this forum.

I am an ORM, just like you, that immigrated here. I can tell you that it takes time, effort and money to get to this country and become a citizen. Most people who come here from asia are usually in the higher income levels of their country. I said most. I am sorry if you are not one of them. I do believe that, we may, see movements to tackle financial factors in the future.

And finally, let's be real. the amount of blacks and hispanics applying are not comparable to the amount of asians and indians. asians make up very small amount of our population, yet take a high number of seats in medical school. Anyone but ORMs applying to medical school would say that that is not fair. We want our services to be competent, but also to be a reflection of our communities. Take a moment to think what if this was your native country. I remember going to a baseball game in Japan and saw them bench a black baseball player because he was about to get 6 hits (hurting the baseball team).

I understand that it seems unfair to individuals at times, but, as a country, we need to stimulate our economy by targeting all groups and areas. AA does a good job of diversifying. If you just ask people a few questions, you will see why it is necessary. No matter what you think, Asians and caucasians really do not get excited about going to work in inner cities. Living in Philadelphia, this has been pretty obvious to me. You can also see the amount of "hate" Temple gets on SDN just for being in a "bad' area.

Diversity - specifically the potential of all groups to succeed - is one of the reasons that attracted myparents here. Qualified applicants all get in one time or another and I kinda like it the way it is.

The first bolded sentence is a true statement. A person who is able to immigrate away from a developing country into America is probably more resourceful than the average person in that country that they are coming from whether those "resources" are measured in intellect, money, education, etc. Thusly, those immigrants are not actually representative of the countries you are coming from. It has been said repeatedly, but if you are socioeconomically disadvantaged, regardless of your immigration status, you can apply and benefit from socioeconomic affirmative aciton.

As for the second bolded part, that could be seen as a bit absolute and controversial, but as has been repeated time and again, race and ethnicity influence your interest in serving in underserved communities. Many schools are interested in applicants who explicitly mention this focus regardless of race. So for some of you raging against affirmative action here, think: there is a larger purpose here above you being upset because you wish you got into a med school ranked 2 places higher.

 

[scarletgirl777]

Why not just beat out everyone, then you wont have to cry about it?🙄

Regardless of what color you are, this should be a general approach to life. If you try and fail, you have no one to blame but yourself and nothing to do but try again.

 

[ayushman80]

nm.

 

[WhizoMD]

The same logic could be applied to Asians aspiring to play in the NFL. Just wanted to throw that out there.

2007 Data
total nfl players at any one time ~1,696......
Number of asian NFL players ~44
~2.5% Asian

2008 Data
Total Med School Matriculants : 18,036
Number of AA Male Matriculants : 400
~2.2% AA Male

interesting......



http://www.diversityinc.com/public/4260print.cfm
http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/0508sumyrs.htm

 

[Dr Lyss]

Because they have to due to the competition for ORM spots. On top of that, most ORMs live in CA, which further exacerbates the situation.

you can't be serious... was that a joke?

 

[witness23]

The first bolded sentence is a true statement. A person who is able to immigrate away from a developing country into America is probably more resourceful than the average person in that country that they are coming from whether those "resources" are measured in intellect, money, education, etc. Thusly, those immigrants are not actually representative of the countries you are coming from. It has been said repeatedly, but if you are socioeconomically disadvantaged, regardless of your immigration status, you can apply and benefit from socioeconomic affirmative aciton.

As for the second bolded part, that could be seen as a bit absolute and controversial, but as has been repeated time and again, race and ethnicity influence your interest in serving in underserved communities. Many schools are interested in applicants who explicitly mention this focus regardless of race. So for some of you raging against affirmative action here, think: there is a larger purpose here above you being upset because you wish you got into a med school ranked 2 places higher.

i agree that came out sounding a bit absolute. my bad, i was just at a rush to head to the hospice. but you are right, its never absolute. i chose to go to an inner-city school over a manhattan school for whatever the reason was. however, when I shadowed there, I did notice most residents just not enjoying the type of patients they see - chronic conditions, lack of extensive support system, etc. I do acknowledge that residents may not be happy anywhere they are trained at. So, yea, I don't know. I just get a little irked that this discussion comes along ~ every 4th year of our lives.

 

[ksmi117]

*clears throat*

Let me reiterate... http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=8251562&postcount=202

 

[TaylorMDhopeful]

2007 Data
total nfl players at any one time ~1,696......
Number of asian NFL players ~44
~2.5% Asian

2008 Data
Total Med School Matriculants : 18,036
Number of AA Male Matriculants : 400
~2.2% AA Male

interesting......



http://www.diversityinc.com/public/4260print.cfm
http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/0508sumyrs.htm

I think that this case is a little different than the tangent that this thread has set itself on (AA, racism and its merit, yada yada). The NFL is an organization that thrives on skills already possessed by its individuals. With Med schools, adcoms deem that you have promise/drive to become a doctor and you develop the knowledge to pass the USMLEs and shelf exams. With the NFL, you have the skills before you get there and you learn how to play in whatever particular system you are drafted into. The NFL is a business thats main desire is to make money and be a form of entertainment for its audience that shows the most skilled athletes money has to offer. While I understand that many cultural groups/ethnicities would like to see their group represented in their favorite sports, their sports are not doing a service of this magnitude (medical) as their main focus, so an AA policy in this respect would not exactly be working to do a great service to anyone. I would say that for more ORMs to be representative in the NFL in particular, they should start at a young age honing their craft (which i know for some groups is difficult bc (anecdotal) many immigrant parents see particular sports as useless and uncultured/hindrance on more academic/scholarly pursuits). Another thing is that for sports where speed, power, athleticism are necessary many African Americans/West Indians have an advantage in that they are born with more fast twitch muscle fibers that control explosiveness and speed. More than 60% of African Americans (compared to ~25% in caucasians I believe and less in asians) are born with the strong form of the ACTN3 gene which produces a protein in muscle fibers that is linked to increased sprinting performance. Possibly a result of slavery days where slaves were bred like horses: the biggest strongest men were placed with the strongest most fertile women or a form of natural selection, yada yada.

But so I won't stay off topic, to the OP: There are some med schools out there that will give you money if they see you as a good fit for their class or if you have other acceptances to strong schools. Full rides just based on race? No. But unless you are an adcom at a particular school, you don't know the exact practices involved so everything is mere speculation coming from pre-meds. Just do your best in college, make a strong case for your candidacy w good MCAT scores, ec's, lor's and interviews and you should be just fine.

 

[ChoSanah]

Dear God, why doesn't anyone acknowledge the cultural aspect? URMs exist because minority communities are underrepresented. Period. People like to go to doctors who understand where they come from and the kind of culture they grew up with. This is a fact. You can't fake being hispanic or african-american. This is another fact. Therefore, in order for the med schools to pursue their ultimate goal (to create physicians who'll deal with the realities of today's medicine), they need to accept more people of those underrepresented groups. Does that occasionally result in those underrepresented minorities to have lower stats? Sure. Does it matter? No. It just plain doesn't. You want to be a doctor, and help people effectively? Accept that this is the best we can do for those underrepresented groups. Or come up with something better. Until you do, deal with it.

👍 Culture, that's the word!

 

[batman1983]

you can't be serious... was that a joke?

How so? I was referring to Asians. Most do live in CA.