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[vetmedhead]

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How many of the hydra conversions were in my games?

 

[SkiOtter]

How many of the hydra conversions were in my games?

1 of 2 if you found Colorado as one of your games 🤣
The other game was one of kara’s Baking games (the first one that I don’t remember the exact name of)

 

[finnickthedog]

How many of the hydra conversions were in my games?

Finnski was CO. I think MixyMama was the Meat game? kski was WWhisk.

So... 2 of those 3?

 

[SkiOtter]

Finnski was CO. I think MixyMama was the Meat game? kski was WWhisk.

So... 2 of those 3?

Whoops I can totally count I missed mixymama in the list

 

[finnickthedog]

Whoops I can totally count I missed mixymama in the list

You and I were able to PM in all three of those games so I think that's the real connection here 😛

 

[SARdoghandler]

Ok but what if no one knew who the hydra was? So like, someone requests to be a hydra. All other players in the game get rng-ed and in their role pm have to indicate if they are open to a hydra. Hydra gets rng-ed to someone. No one is allowed to speak about the hydra throughout the game but hydra status will be revealed on death

Probably totally impractical but sounds fun anyway hahaha

 

[Lawpy]

I'm ok playing with hydras, especially one of the hydras I'm hoping to play with...

The Sardines/Finny --> doggo hydra!

 

[vetmedhead]

What if EVERYONE is a hydra

 

[Lawpy]

What if EVERYONE is a hydra

A Hydra-only game! That will be interesting to see

All the possibilities.

Man, time to search through hundreds of WW games on here and draft up a complete list of hydras.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Except you can put them in the wolf chat. A hydra should be RNGd into a role like anyone else.

Who cares? I don't see much difference between that and your standard non-hydra wolf who converses with their friends on the side about how things are going in the game.

If you really care that much you can ban the talking head from directly telling the other wolves that "silent head suggested xyz" and require that they present it as their own strategy/questions/thoughts. Seems unnecessary, but could be done.

idk, it'd just feel like plagiarizing at that point to me with the same issue. The silenced wolf may not have said it directly, but they aren't allowed to speak anyway. And then the speaking wolf will still report back responses to the indivdual window (unless they're rude). My main issue is just the idea of the existence of a completely undectectable wolf.

The difference between a hydra wolf and a non-hydra wolf strategizing with their partners to me is all the non-hydra wolves must speak on thread at some point. Being completely invisible to village will have its consquences (leading from restrictions to death).

Of course, other mods can run with hydras in standard games if they please, these are just specific reason for why I can't feel comfortable using them.

Nonetheless, I still plan to run a full hydra game in the future to see how strategies adjust to that perspective.

 

[Lawpy]

I'm trying to push forward a 27-headed hydra to @Animal Midwife horror but possibly @Dr. ForgotToFlush interest?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ok but what if no one knew who the hydra was? So like, someone requests to be a hydra. All other players in the game get rng-ed and in their role pm have to indicate if they are open to a hydra. Hydra gets rng-ed to someone. No one is allowed to speak about the hydra throughout the game but hydra status will be revealed on death

Probably totally impractical but sounds fun anyway hahaha

Okay, that's an interesting concept. Still not sure what I'd do about the built-in extra wolf help, but it would completely eliminate the lock clear village status.

 

[finnickthedog]

idk, it'd just feel like plagiarizing at that point to me with the same issue. The silenced wolf may not have said it directly, but they aren't allowed to speak anyway. And then the speaking wolf will still report back responses to the indivdual window (unless they're rude). My main issue is just the idea of the existence of a completely undectectable wolf.

The additional head is not an undetectable wolf though and I don't understand why you think that they are. They aren't even a player. They don't count as numbers. They are essentially just somebody that Player X talks to. They don't need double the chance of screwing up because they aren't double the numbers or double the votes.

And I don't see how that is any different from Player X talking to their friends on snapchat or facebook or whatever about the game. Which I have done (except when I know the mod doesn't want me to bc I'm not a jerk) and I know other people do. Those people can't speak directly either because the aren't playing, but that doesn't stop them from influencing how Player X plays the game, even if unintentionally.

I mean if you want to bar people from discussing the game with anybody because you think it ruins the integrity of the game or something then okay, I guess. But you might want to make that clear as a part of the rules in your starting post because otherwise those chats are happening, whether you sanction them in the form of a hydra or not.

 

[Animal Midwife]

The additional head is not an undetectable wolf though and I don't understand why you think that they are. They aren't even a player. They don't count as numbers. They are essentially just somebody that Player X talks to. They don't need double the chance of screwing up because they aren't double the numbers or double the votes.

And I don't see how that is any different from Player X talking to their friends on snapchat or facebook or whatever about the game. Which I have done (except when I know the mod doesn't want me to bc I'm not a jerk) and I know other people do. Those people can't speak directly either because the aren't playing, but that doesn't stop them from influencing how Player X plays the game, even if unintentionally.

I mean if you want to bar people from discussing the game with anybody because you think it ruins the integrity of the game or something then okay, I guess. But you might want to make that clear as a part of the rules in your starting post because otherwise those chats are happening, whether you sanction them in the form of a hydra or not.

I may have a very broad definition, but I consider a player anyone who is allowed to directly interact with living player(s) and has a wincon. Like it's tricky territory because while not physically affecting numbers, they can still influence the gamestate. Much like if a living villager got to speak to one villager at lylo from deadchat (but unspoiled) freely. It wouldn't make it not lylo suddenly, but that information from another head could change what would've happened that cycle than if there'd only been one (irl) person per slot.

I can't make people not have out of game communications if that's what they're determined to do, but I guess my feelings on that are known now. I'll probably add that to my future rules since it appears to be more common than I thought. Thanks for the head up.

As for the doubling, that lies my other issue, double the benefits (stratetgy) without double the risk (rojoing, tmi-ing, voting too late, weird interactions with other wolves, etc...).

 

[SkiOtter]

but I consider a player anyone who is allowed to directly interact with living player(s) and has a wincon.

They are not a separate player though. It is one player but two people playing that player.

 

[grebes4lyfe]

So... I don't expect I'll actually have the time to play on my own until winter break but if there's ever a game before then without long cycles and a mod that might allow me to hydra then lmk. Because I'm bored a lot, but too busy with school to fully commit to a game.

I’d hydra w you if mods allow it

Came on here to say, the next speed game over a weekend can someone ping me on text/snap/fb?
I’m itching to play but school is too much for me to commit to anything on a weekday or for multiple days.

 

[SkiOtter]

I can't make people not have out of game communications if that's what they're determined to do, but I guess my feelings on that are known now. I'll probably add that to my future rules since it appears to be more common than I thought. Thanks for the head up.

Because why should ww be fun

 

[Animal Midwife]

Because why should ww be fun

That's what dead chat is for.

 

[SkiOtter]

That's what dead chat is for.

So we should WANT to die early in games???????????????? K.

 

[Animal Midwife]

So we should WANT to die early in games???????????????? K.

I mean, if the urge for discussion is that strong, it'll ensure no one is being intentionally or untentionally influenced. Either that or games without that rule can be played.

 

[vetmedhead]

I enjoyed the old school style of hydras, where two players had the same role and both were allowed to post on thread willy nilly. Inevitably the players who were a hydra together played the role completely differently, contradicted themselves and each other, had completely different reads lists that they never ran past one another, fought with one another on thread, then got lynched for being confusing/grumpy/distracting/chatty.

All around quality entertainment 😀

 

[vetmedhead]

I don't mind hydras but do think they can sometimes be more work on the mod end of things. There's a lot more chatter to keep track of and respond to in the role PM and I think player consternation about hydras is always higher for whatever reason, so you field a lot of questions on thread about them as well. Depending on how you play hydras, there's also keeping track of who is allowed to post on thread and potentially surveilling for non-kosher likes by one of the players

 

[PippyPony]

What hydras have been converted

Me + @Trilt

 

[PippyPony]

I vote the next game, whatever it is, be 12/12 so me and @PippyPony can play. Please "Like" to reach majority!

Unfortunately I am lamesauce and shouldn't play right now. Game time for actually learning things.

 

[Caiter92]

Me + @Trilt

Oh hey I did that

 

[Caiter92]

I enjoyed the old school style of hydras, where two players had the same role and both were allowed to post on thread willy nilly. Inevitably the players who were a hydra together played the role completely differently, contradicted themselves and each other, had completely different reads lists that they never ran past one another, fought with one another on thread, then got lynched for being confusing/grumpy/distracting/chatty.

All around quality entertainment 😀

Or they get left alone for an hour and you come back to find they almost got you lynched day 1. Right @WildZoo 😛

 

[Lawpy]

Me + @Trilt

Oh hey I did that

I now strongly support the Trippy hydra

 

[vetmedhead]

I think my favorite hydra pair was SOV/LIS. Never have a hydra pair compared reads lists less than those two

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

I can host a 12/12 in like
A weekish from now
Reading week coming up
Edit: probs the inquisitor based setup i was working ln

 

[SkiOtter]

Or they get left alone for an hour and you come back to find they almost got you lynched day 1. Right @Dubz 😛

Caiter go to sleep you can’t even tag the right person @WildZoo 😛

 

[Caiter92]

Caiter go to sleep you can’t even tag the right person @WildZoo 😛

Shush I haven’t slept in a week 😛

 

[WildZoo]

 

[WildZoo]

Meh.

I know a not insignificant number of players talk about the game with other people who aren't playing the game (SDN members or otherwise). A hydra where only one person can post on thread really isn't much different from that other than being officially mod sanctioned.

I think the only place it's potentially slippery is giving the wolves a silent strategizing member because if the hydra is in wolf PM then they can talk to ALL the other wolves, but that can be circumvented by giving the hydra a private PM and not allowing the silent head to talk in wolf PM either.

I don't know. A lot of us are really busy and hydra-ing is literally the only way I can play sometimes so it's a bit of a bummer that it seems like a lot of mods are resistant to allow it now.

If people are having strategic discussions about the game with people who are not playing the game, and using those discussions as part of their gameplay, that is an argument for reminding people of the rules of the game, not for including hydras.

I'm less resistant to them than other mods but they do present a balance issue (a wolf hydra is going to be more powerful for the wolves than a village hydra will be for the village) and for that reason I don't like doing mid-game hydras. I'm flexible enough with design edits right before the game starts that I'm comfortable including one if it is stated in sign ups though.

I mean I get that people are busy, I've been a Hydra before, so I'm sympathetic to it. But it's also something that is difficult to fully account for in balance and is a very non-standard mechanic. And a lot of players end up voicing frustration with playing with hydras, which can be annoying for the mods.

 

[WildZoo]

I think my favorite hydra pair was SOV/LIS. Never have a hydra pair compared reads lists less than those two

There was a DocE/LIS hydra at some point too and I straight up forgot they were even a hydra

 

[WildZoo]

Because why should ww be fun

People shouldn't have to consult non-players about game strategy for it to be fun, which is what finny seems to be insinuating is happening. Telling someone who isn't playing how the game is going is one thing, but actually having them contribute to your strategy...that shouldn't need to be stated as against the rules and the spirit of the game, that should be obvious.

 

[WildZoo]

Or they get left alone for an hour and you come back to find they almost got you lynched day 1. Right @WildZoo 😛

Keyword ~almost~

I believe @Animal Midwife got WildWife kilt D1 on MU 😱

 

[finnickthedog]

People shouldn't have to consult non-players about game strategy for it to be fun, which is what finny seems to be insinuating is happening. Telling someone who isn't playing how the game is going is one thing, but actually having them contribute to your strategy...that shouldn't need to be stated as against the rules and the spirit of the game, that should be obvious.

In no way was I suggesting that people are intentionally turning to their friends for the purpose of discussing strategy. But much like the dead sometimes cross the line in what they post on thread, strategy happens in those conversations and I think it's silly to pretend that it doesn't.

 

[WildZoo]

In no way was I suggesting that people are intentionally turning to their friends for the purpose of discussing strategy. But much like the dead sometimes cross the line in what they post on thread, strategy happens in those conversations and I think it's silly to pretend that it doesn't.

If that is not what you were suggesting, then it is not the same thing as a hydra at all. People should be more careful in these conversations just as we ask the dead to be more careful, but that is a different discussion entirely

 

[finnickthedog]

If that is not what you were suggesting, then it is not the same thing as a hydra at all. People should be more careful in these conversations just as we ask the dead to be more careful, but that is a different discussion entirely

People still get strategy from their friends it just isn't on purpose. Which makes it pretty similar to a hydra.

We can tell the dead when they cross a line, but private conversations with friends are totally unchecked and people don't even realize they're crossing lines. It's easy to do. Pretty sure Caiter and I felt you crossed a line in a PM in a cats game iirc and no one thinks you did it on purpose but kinda highlights how easy that is to do.

I just think this weird idea that not allowing hydras is protecting a level of game integrity that doesn't exist is silly.

 

[WildZoo]

People still get strategy from their friends it just isn't on purpose. Which makes it pretty similar to a hydra.

We can tell the dead when they cross a line, but private conversations with friends are totally unchecked and people don't even realize they're crossing lines. It's easy to do. Pretty sure Caiter and I felt you crossed a line in a PM in a cats game iirc and no one thinks you did it on purpose but kinda highlights how easy that is to do.

I just think this weird idea that not allowing hydras is protecting a level of game integrity that doesn't exist is silly.

There is a difference between occasional incidences during a game of something being interpreted as strategy and someone having another person to openly strategize with for the entire game. Yes, I made one comment that you guys thought crossed a line, and that comment did not in any way, shape, or form affect player strategy. You pointed out yourself that having an extra person for strategizing for wolves is going to make a difference.

The conversation is how to balance for hydras appropriately in a game. If you would like to include them in your games without accounting for effects on balance, you are free to do so, and also free to take **** from players who don't like them. Otherwise I don't think it's silly to discuss how they should be balanced, or for some mods to decide they aren't happy with the options, just as some mods don't like third parties or conversions or whatever else.

 

[vetmedhead]

There was a DocE/LIS hydra at some point too and I straight up forgot they were even a hydra

It might be the DocE/LIS hydra I was thinking of. Either way, it was confusing, high quality entertainment

 

[WildZoo]

It might be the DocE/LIS hydra I was thinking of. Either way, it was confusing, high quality entertainment

I'm pretty sure we called them Doc LeTits or something like that lol

 

[Lawpy]

Updating list a bit

Tentative Late Summer Schedule:
Soccer - ziggyandjazzy + Coopah
Grease! (Basics) - Pippy, Ms Procrastinator?

Category A: Games that are ready to go
1. Vampire the Masquerade WW - Ceke
2. WW on the Drina - Karabou, SAR, & KD (20-25 players needed)

Category B: Games that need some work but can be cleaned up in a few days if necessary
1. RPG game comp- kaydubs +/- RM
2. WWe're Hunting WWabbits - Coffee? & Mixy
3. WW Grey's anatomy- VMH, Yk & Mixy +/- KD?
4. More Back to Basics - Karabou

Category C: Games in active development
1. The Dark Tower - WildZoo
2. Hannibal - MadZoo
3. Clue WW - ResoluteMike w/ Kaydubs? May be removed indefinitely...
4. WW Cat Sanctuary - StartingoverVet
5. BioShock - MadZooBear
6. Miazaki WW - katashark and hmoo
7. WWheel of Time - Pippy, Mad Jack, LadyOtheFarm
8. BroadWWay- Cdo & vmh
9. ?WW? - kaydubs & dubz
10. WWelcome To WWonderland - Mel, Kaydubs, +/- PBC
11. KD & KB Safari WW Adventure Part 2 - Karabou & KD
12. Parks and WWRecreation - Stagg + Double Dubz
13. Coffee WW - Koffee? + Lawpy + Karabou
14. Fruits WW - Lawpy + Koffee? + Karabou
15. SpongeBob WW - Lawpy + jbooze + Karabou
16. WWho's school is it anyway?: battle of the vet schools or WWar of the vet schools (need to decide on a name) - Zigjazz and Karabou (maybe WZ?) [hoping to run August or September]
17. French QWWarter - Cubs + ?

Category D: Games in early development or concept stage
1. Firefly - LIS + KC
2. LIS & SOV (Airplanes)
3. Kingdom Hearts - Ashgirl and Gwen
4. RWBY- Gwen and Ashgirl
5. Hotel California - Promethean
6. American Horror Story - Cyndia & WildZoo
7. Eragon - Gwen & Katashark
8. Divergent Series - Gwen
9. WW Dreamers - Jilary & Lupin
10. Sushi/WWater Part II - kaydubs & katashark
11. Invasive WW - BBC and kaydubs
12. LotR Redux (The Hobbit?) - WZ, STL, Jilary
13. Discworld - LotF, vmh, Zen
14. It's AlWWays Sunny on SDN - Genny + Stagg
15. BoJack Horseman - Trilt & vmh
16. Casino Royale - Pippy + a responsible adult
17. Death Note - Zen + WZ
18. Aardman Animations (Wallace/Gromit, Chicken Run, etc) - katashark + someone?
19. Welcome to Night Vale - a Mad Jack production, brought to you by WZ
20. They Claimed WWhat - Pippy, Bear, probably someone else but for now JUST THE TWO OF US
21. Psych - Dubz & Karabou
22. Supernatural WW part 2 though infinity - Dubz
23. Pride and Prejudice - Karabou, PBC, & Pippy
24. Battlestar Galactica - Crayola & fromthebox
25. Vetties vs Hooman Med - Dubz and Haxx
26. Xena Warrior Princess - Cray + ? (assuming I don't **** up #31)
27. Stranger WW Things - kaydubs & Dubz
28. A Choose Your Own KD & KB Adventure - Karabou & kaydubs
29. Cow WW Takeover - Karabou, Kaydubs, Jil & Mixy
30. LaWW and Order: SVU - ski, vmh, & pippy
31. Peter and the Batmen - vmh & WZ
32. Serial WW - kayd, WZ, vmh
33. Cereal WW - ski, cdo, mixy
34. W2 Periodic Table of the Elements - Capri, KD, Snowy?, Cdo, Ski (removed y’all’s tags so you don’t get bombarded with alerts)
35. True (WW) Colors - kaydubs + KB +/- ?
36. Final Fantasy XIWW - Pip, Mel, +/- kdubs?
37. Hamilton - Kam
38. Red WWersus Blue - Mel, Coopah, and Wildzoo
39. Star Trek - Cray, Glammyre, Flameshock, KD
40. 50 Shades of Grey - Cray
41. SWWeeney Todd - Dubz, jboo
42. Undertale WW - AM + Mel
43. WWord Language - KD + KB
44. International WW Noms - KD
45. Elemental WW - KD
46. The Fetches - vmh & ?
47. The Good, the Bad, and Adam WW - LotF & help!
48. The Handmaid's Tale - dubz
49. Two Heads are Better than One: A Hydra Tale - Karabou & AM
50. Budget or DroWWn in Debt - Coop + dubz
51. WW in the Canadian WWilds - SAR, WZ, KD
52. This is Hallowween (real name to come later) - Wild BJ Production
53. The Force AWWakens - Pippy, SAR, {insert your username here}
54. WWelcome to the WWorld of Tomorroww (Futurama WW) - Stagg
55. WWho WWatches the WWatchmen? - Dubz
56. Avengers WW - SAR & Kaydubs
57. RedWWall - Dubz & SAR
58. Tomb Raider - Sporty, PippyPony, Crayola227
59. Undetermined Theme with a Fun Twist- SAR & Dubz
60. Silicon Valley - Pippy
61. The WWorst Movie I've Ever Seen: A Dog's Way Home - vmh
62. Crazy Ex-Girlfriend - jboo
63. Abhorsen WW - kcough
64. Hip-Hop 101: School is Now in Session - MC Pipperoni & DJ Cheezit
65. Super Mario Bros WW with a Twist - Lawpy + WZ + Karabou
66. Top secret - Sporty, dubz, MJ
67. Sporty's Dreams, but a game of WW - Sport Sport
68. Vegetables WW - Lawpy, Koffee?, Karabou
69. Dead Like Me WW- Ms Pro
70. Donuts and Bagels WW - Lawpy, Koffee?, Karabou
71. Moana WW - Paws and supervision?
72. Fruit Juice WW - Lawpy, Koffee?, Stagg, Karabou
73. Soccer WW - Zigjazzy and ??
74. Grease! - Pippy
75. KreWWe of SDN (Mardi Gras) - Cubs + ? (February 2020)
76. Countdown X.5, SDN Spinoff (2020)- FTF
77. The Spanish Inquisition (Inquisitor based setup) - FTF
78. Choose Your Own - AM
79. Milk WW - Lawpy

 

[Melchizedek]

Tag me in the next sign up

 

[WildZoo]

I'd like to run a game when I'm home on an externship and supposedly studying for the NAVLE, so starting around November 15th. If you would like to play such a game please like this post so I can decide which setup to work on in the meantime based on player availability. If you have requests based on the themes that my name is attached to on the list (preferably ones where I am the main mod), you can let me know that too and I'll see what I can do.

 

[Lawpy]

I'd like to run a game when I'm home on an externship and supposedly studying for the NAVLE, so starting around November 15th. If you would like to play such a game please like this post so I can decide which setup to work on in the meantime based on player availability. If you have requests based on the themes that my name is attached to on the list (preferably ones where I am the main mod), you can let me know that too and I'll see what I can do.

Dark Tower?

 

[SARdoghandler]

I'd like to run a game when I'm home on an externship and supposedly studying for the NAVLE, so starting around November 15th. If you would like to play such a game please like this post so I can decide which setup to work on in the meantime based on player availability. If you have requests based on the themes that my name is attached to on the list (preferably ones where I am the main mod), you can let me know that too and I'll see what I can do.

Lol you crazy, man. My NAVLE is in less than 40 days and I'm already in panic mode

 

[Lawpy]

although i'm curious on Vetties vs Hooman Med 😕

 

[WildZoo]

Lol you crazy, man. My NAVLE is in less than 40 days and I'm already in panic mode

I can't find it in me to panic. It's just not how I roll lol and I definitely don't roll with hours upon hours of concentrated study time either, so gotta have something to break it up.

 

[WildZoo]

Dark Tower?

Could do this one but I need exactly 19 players, no more no less, and would strongly prefer consistent active participation. The current game atmosphere isn't really one that I want to run that game in.