Gay Pre-Med Students - UNITE!
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Hi GUYS! Well, what do you think?
We could have picnics in various cities
We could organize fund raisers
We could use the money to hire male strippers
We could start a 'poetry club' within the 'Gay Pre-Med club' (that way people can choose)
We could sell cookies
Any other ideas?
I'd totally be down for the poetry club, but I'm not gay though. Can I still join?
Hi GUYS! Well, what do you think?
We could have picnics in various cities
We could organize fund raisers
We could use the money to hire male strippers
We could start a 'poetry club' within the 'Gay Pre-Med club' (that way people can choose)
We could sell cookies
Any other ideas?
get some pretty uniforms like the rest of the girl scouts...
yeah i said it
Wow, for years great people fought against the "separate but equal" lie of segregation. Diversity isn't about self-segregation. Join the rest of humanity instead of striating yourselves ad society.
Self-segregation is just segregation played in the other direction. Too bad we can't just be identified as good individuals and let sexuality, no matter where it falls, just be another aspect of our person and not be a tool used for the separation from everyone else.
Self-segregation is just segregation played in the other direction. Too bad we can't just be identified as good individuals and let sexuality, no matter where it falls, just be another aspect of our person and not be a tool used for the separation from everyone else.
Wow, for years great people fought against the "separate but equal" lie of segregation. Diversity isn't about self-segregation. Join the rest of humanity instead of striating yourselves ad society.
Self-segregation is just segregation played in the other direction. Too bad we can't just be identified as good individuals and let sexuality, no matter where it falls, just be another aspect of our person and not be a tool used for the separation from everyone else.
This is exactly what I am talking about. There is no such thing as "celebrating differences", the only people who are celebrating them are the people in the category. Pointing out these differences breeds discrimination and bigotry.
In this forum I have seen threads seperating people on race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation and sometimes using more than one of these divisions. In one thread in particular a poster described their experience with 9/11. Did not all Americans go through 9/11? Did it not shake all our worlds? Shouldn't this be a thread for all of SDN? But no, they decided to only discuss it with their group.
We need to focus on how we are the same. We all want to be doctors, we all our doing our best to get there, we all are going through or will go through this crapshoot application process, we all have the same fears, uncertainties, and anxieties. We should look at everyone here as a fellow pre-med. Not a black pre-med, a white pre-med, a female pre-med, a male pre-med, a Christian pre-med, a Muslim pre-med, a straight pre-med or a gay pre-med.
why am i still on here at 2 in the morning, i have no idea. but there are plenty of reasons why it's great to have threads like these.
1. it allows for sharing of experiences that are common in the asian/black/gay/martian pre-med community, which is extremely therapeutic in times of high stress, such as the med school application process, or even being a med student.
2. in situations of discrimination (yes, it still happens) there is an opportunity for advice to be given in these scenarios, the most helpful maybe from people who have encountered them before, personally. (black student encounters older racist doctors, gay student having to deal with bigotry and harassment in the work place.)
3. it help students who feel like there are very few people who are like them in their immediate environment (i know one lesbian and one other gay boy in my med school class) to reach out to people they are similar to across the nation.
i know it's easy for you to say that we should all be "pre-meds" without any of the other factors, becasue that would be drawing a line that divides people and we've all learned since preschool that dividing people is bad. but if you just ignore the differences that people have, you also ignore certain problems in society by just deluding yourself that the differences don't exist (i really hope my classmates aren't reading this...) as a gay/non-white/female med student, i will be dealing with issues that my heterosexual/white/male counterparts won't have. the fact that no one talks about the differences won't make my problems go away. in fact, talking about it in a realm of openness and professionalism might make things better (not that SDN is exactly the center for either of those ideals, but one can hope ).
my point is, having an appreciation for similar cultural features and bonding over them is different from "self-segregation". i'm not saying, hey this is something that makes me different from these people so i will detach myself from them, but rather hey, this is something i have in common with these people so we should get to know each other.
anyway, just some things for the masses to think about.
happy post-thanksgiving and black friday! (don't get trampled while shopping!!)
1. it allows for sharing of experiences that are common in the asian/black/gay/martian pre-med community, which is extremely therapeutic in times of high stress, such as the med school application process, or even being a med student.
2. in situations of discrimination (yes, it still happens) there is an opportunity for advice to be given in these scenarios, the most helpful maybe from people who have encountered them before, personally. (black student encounters older racist doctors, gay student having to deal with bigotry and harassment in the work place.)
3. it help students who feel like there are very few people who are like them in their immediate environment (i know one lesbian and one other gay boy in my med school class) to reach out to people they are similar to across the nation.
i know it's easy for you to say that we should all be "pre-meds" without any of the other factors, becasue that would be drawing a line that divides people and we've all learned since preschool that dividing people is bad. but if you just ignore the differences that people have, you also ignore certain problems in society by just deluding yourself that the differences don't exist (i really hope my classmates aren't reading this...) as a gay/non-white/female med student, i will be dealing with issues that my heterosexual/white/male counterparts won't have. the fact that no one talks about the differences won't make my problems go away. in fact, talking about it in a realm of openness and professionalism might make things better (not that SDN is exactly the center for either of those ideals, but one can hope
). my point is, having an appreciation for similar cultural features and bonding over them is different from "self-segregation". i'm not saying, hey this is something that makes me different from these people so i will detach myself from them, but rather hey, this is something i have in common with these people so we should get to know each other.
anyway, just some things for the masses to think about.
happy post-thanksgiving and black friday! (don't get trampled while shopping!!)
why am i still on here at 2 in the morning, i have no idea. but there are plenty of reasons why it's great to have threads like these.
1. it allows for sharing of experiences that are common in the asian/black/gay/martian pre-med community, which is extremely therapeutic in times of high stress, such as the med school application process, or even being a med student.
2. in situations of discrimination (yes, it still happens) there is an opportunity for advice to be given in these scenarios, the most helpful maybe from people who have encountered them before, personally. (black student encounters older racist doctors, gay student having to deal with bigotry and harassment in the work place.)
3. it help students who feel like there are very few people who are like them in their immediate environment (i know one lesbian and one other gay boy in my med school class) to reach out to people they are similar to across the nation.
i know it's easy for you to say that we should all be "pre-meds" without any of the other factors, becasue that would be drawing a line that divides people and we've all learned since preschool that dividing people is bad. but if you just ignore the differences that people have, you also ignore certain problems in society by just deluding yourself that the differences don't exist (i really hope my classmates aren't reading this...) as a gay/non-white/female med student, i will be dealing with issues that my heterosexual/white/male counterparts won't have. the fact that no one talks about the differences won't make my problems go away. in fact, talking about it in a realm of openness and professionalism might make things better (not that SDN is exactly the center for either of those ideals, but one can hope
my point is, having an appreciation for similar cultural features and bonding over them is different from "self-segregation". i'm not saying, hey this is something that makes me different from these people so i will detach myself from them, but rather hey, this is something i have in common with these people so we should get to know each other.
anyway, just some things for the masses to think about.
happy post-thanksgiving and black friday! (don't get trampled while shopping!!)
I totally agree. well stated
why am i still on here at 2 in the morning, i have no idea. but there are plenty of reasons why it's great to have threads like these.
1. it allows for sharing of experiences that are common in the asian/black/gay/martian pre-med community, which is extremely therapeutic in times of high stress, such as the med school application process, or even being a med student.
2. in situations of discrimination (yes, it still happens) there is an opportunity for advice to be given in these scenarios, the most helpful maybe from people who have encountered them before, personally. (black student encounters older racist doctors, gay student having to deal with bigotry and harassment in the work place.)
3. it help students who feel like there are very few people who are like them in their immediate environment (i know one lesbian and one other gay boy in my med school class) to reach out to people they are similar to across the nation.
i know it's easy for you to say that we should all be "pre-meds" without any of the other factors, becasue that would be drawing a line that divides people and we've all learned since preschool that dividing people is bad. but if you just ignore the differences that people have, you also ignore certain problems in society by just deluding yourself that the differences don't exist (i really hope my classmates aren't reading this...) as a gay/non-white/female med student, i will be dealing with issues that my heterosexual/white/male counterparts won't have. the fact that no one talks about the differences won't make my problems go away. in fact, talking about it in a realm of openness and professionalism might make things better (not that SDN is exactly the center for either of those ideals, but one can hope
my point is, having an appreciation for similar cultural features and bonding over them is different from "self-segregation". i'm not saying, hey this is something that makes me different from these people so i will detach myself from them, but rather hey, this is something i have in common with these people so we should get to know each other.
anyway, just some things for the masses to think about.
happy post-thanksgiving and black friday! (don't get trampled while shopping!!)
I agree as well.
why am i still on here at 2 in the morning, i have no idea. but there are plenty of reasons why it's great to have threads like these.
1. it allows for sharing of experiences that are common in the asian/black/gay/martian pre-med community, which is extremely therapeutic in times of high stress, such as the med school application process, or even being a med student.
2. in situations of discrimination (yes, it still happens) there is an opportunity for advice to be given in these scenarios, the most helpful maybe from people who have encountered them before, personally. (black student encounters older racist doctors, gay student having to deal with bigotry and harassment in the work place.)
3. it help students who feel like there are very few people who are like them in their immediate environment (i know one lesbian and one other gay boy in my med school class) to reach out to people they are similar to across the nation.
i know it's easy for you to say that we should all be "pre-meds" without any of the other factors, becasue that would be drawing a line that divides people and we've all learned since preschool that dividing people is bad. but if you just ignore the differences that people have, you also ignore certain problems in society by just deluding yourself that the differences don't exist (i really hope my classmates aren't reading this...) as a gay/non-white/female med student, i will be dealing with issues that my heterosexual/white/male counterparts won't have. the fact that no one talks about the differences won't make my problems go away. in fact, talking about it in a realm of openness and professionalism might make things better (not that SDN is exactly the center for either of those ideals, but one can hope
my point is, having an appreciation for similar cultural features and bonding over them is different from "self-segregation". i'm not saying, hey this is something that makes me different from these people so i will detach myself from them, but rather hey, this is something i have in common with these people so we should get to know each other.
anyway, just some things for the masses to think about.
happy post-thanksgiving and black friday! (don't get trampled while shopping!!)
What if I started a thread about the exclusive experiences of white, heterosexual pre-meds? Since clearly that group has experiences different from yours they should have a place to realize their collective identity which no one else shares...
wait a second...that'd be too racist!
Regarding the second phrase in your post that I bolded, just so we're clear, just because you're generalizing about the majority doesn't make your ignorant blanket statements any less racist. That statement is unbelievably judgemental, biased, stereotypical, and completely unfair.
edit: just realized how old this post is hahaha
Dude, there are like millions of those.
Well, maybe not millions of threads on SDN, but millions of support groups. They just don't have the same names, cause that wouldn't be PC.
Most LGBT organizations love to have "Allies" in them. Nobody is excluded. And it isn't about segregation, either. LGBT people face a lot of discrimination in college. It helps to have an organization where there is a safe space to be ourselves. Heterosexuals are always welcome! It adds to the diversity of the group. Most of my friends are straight, anyway.
No. But the more immature students in the class would always giggle. Dumb.
Guess there shouldn't be an African American, Latino, Asian, or Christian club either, huh.
Just saying it is a double standard because should I really make a Straight Med Club or an Eastern European Descent Medical Student Club they would be thought 'offensive'.
I've thought about this many times. It's as if you're minding your own business, and somebody comes up to you making it blatantly obvious what their sexual habits are. Excuse me, but how is this relevant, sir? It's like, you were going about your own thing, being appropriate and professional, and then somebody comes up and has to throw a little "sex" into the public portion of your day.
Totally inappropriate, I agree. It would not be appropriate for me to start a thread letting everyone know how much I love heterosexual sex with women. On a pornographic site, perhaps.
Well I understand your discrepancy with this. However its a part of people, its who they are. I don't think many gay people honestly just outright come into a room and scream I'm gay.
However what your asking for people to be is straight really. It's like saying that if your black you should pretend to be white to appease your sake.
I mean I understand, I find people who seriously make posts like this slightly annoying. But the reality is that "birds of feather flock together", you feel more comfortable around your own.
Being gay isn't just about liking the same sex. Due to societies intolerant ways and in-group/ out-group bias's you've seen gays make their own culture because the other groups pushed them away. This division created the group of gay culture and things which make being gay something more, it's a defense really. It's the comfort of knowing your a part of a group.
I'd hope that sometime in the future this distinguishably divide begins to depart.
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What you seem to be saying here is that being gay inherently involves flamboyance. Do you believe that gay people can't be gay without being obnoxious and publicly inappropriate?
This is relevant to the topic how? You went from gays as a identity to stereotypical behaviors of flamboyant gays. I'm addressing the point that gays admitting that their gay is not a problem nor is it the same as bluntly saying I like penis. I said nothing about being flamboyant. Personally I find most flamers to be annoying and very few gays are flamers.
Now to address the flamers and the flashy people. Yah, well look at metrosexuals of the guys who people think are gay, but actually aren't. Are you trying to say that those behaviors are sexually indicative? Just think about it for a while, because most metrosexuals are the reason for the flamboyant gay picture.
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It would probably be best for this thread to die but I can't ignore this post....
The last time someone mentioned to you that he has a girlfriend or a wife... is that synonymous with him proclaiming his love for... you know what?
Oh, but when someone's homosexuality is revealed, all of a sudden it's all about sex. That definitely makes sense.
I worry if the lot of you are to be our nations' future healers, our "intellectuals."
The point of Gay Alliance clubs is not to say "We love penis" but to provide consolation and support to those who have to face people who abuse you simply because said stmnt happens to be an accurate reflection of your sexual preference. It's also a place to examine the different, and unique life issues homosexuals face, because, as a hetero-normative society, that type of sexual/personal guidance and enlightenment isn't as easy to come by.
You seem to be confusing these solidarity groups with pride parades-which are really no better than nationalistic parades anyways, so whereas you might say "Nobody is concerned about your sexual preference!" anyone w/in the LGBTQ community is just as justified in their retort of "We don't care that you come from Ireland/PuertoRico...etc."
Please stop masquerading your homophobia as seemingly benign impatience. Realize that we are all entitled the same rights and behave with tolerance and understanding if you truly wish to help others.
Thanks.
The point of Gay Alliance clubs is not to say "We love penis" but to provide consolation and support to those who have to face people who abuse you simply because said stmnt happens to be an accurate reflection of your sexual preference. It's also a place to examine the different, and unique life issues homosexuals face, because, as a hetero-normative society, that type of sexual/personal guidance and enlightenment isn't as easy to come by.
You seem to be confusing these solidarity groups with pride parades-which are really no better than nationalistic parades anyways, so whereas you might say "Nobody is concerned about your sexual preference!" anyone w/in the LGBTQ community is just as justified in their retort of "We don't care that you come from Ireland/PuertoRico...etc."
Please stop masquerading your homophobia as seemingly benign impatience. Realize that we are all entitled the same rights and behave with tolerance and understanding if you truly wish to help others.
Thanks.
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Also, for those who are complaining that gay people "represent their gayness too much." Just think about it for one minute; just about everything in our society is geared towards being straight. Media, being in public, etc. For those that are straight; gay people are reminded of straight people's sexuality every time they turn on the tv. I'm straight, but I'm a member of the GALA at my school because some of the coolest people I have ever met have been gay and lesbian. Ok, Ill step down from my high horse now.
EDIT: Also, just like there are straight people who flaunt their sexuality, there are gays who do that too. It does not mean that all people from either group do this...
