Georgetown SMP 2010-2011

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Must be a Michigan person. And I agree that a lot of people haven't been successful. One major thing about GT is that they don't inflate/coddle grades like other SMP's.

Anyways, I think anyone doing this program needs to realize why they are here in the first place, and stop the things that caused them to falter at undergrad. If you want a nice, balanced lifestyle, do not do this smp. If you are willing to study more than the person next to you (and more than most meds), then please come and know you will do well. If you get a B (and you will), suck it up, put it behind you, and try harder; if you lose motivation for external reasons, that is no excuse.

I wish my fellow SMPs well, but not everyone was willing to sacrifice for the year, and they only reap what they sow. Some people were willing to sacrifice weekends and odd hours, some weren't....

I think always remember you did something to make you need an smp rather than entering med school -- do not do that anymore.

I'm just saying what my experiences are with this program and how I feel. There is no right or wrong, only opinions. I am not telling people to not come to this school nor am I telling people that this school is worthless. You make it what you want it to be through your hard-work and dedication.

If you read the posts that I had written before, I tell you that I came into this program with the wrong mentality and I'm trying to offer advice to future applicants by saying that SMP should be a last resort.

Retrospectively, I wish I would have done some other opportunities rather than coming straight into this program after graduating from my undergraduate institution last year. Some would agree with me, some won't. Just remember, this is my opinion. It isn't law.

You a gamer or something, 1337?
 
I am not telling people to not come to this school nor am I telling people that this school is worthless.

I think the opinions of current students should be regarded with the highest of value. I say feel free to influence people if it means helping them plan the rest of their lives. Everyone here on SDN knows to take everything with a grain of salt, but if there is a consensus out there it could be very helpful to potential students.
 
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Last year, I only applied to my state schools (3 in total) and got interviewed/waitlisted from one of them. When I had a phone conference with one of the adcoms for feedback on my application, all they said was my GPA was a bit low compared to the rest of the students and that getting a 3.5+ at a graduate program would be beneficial. That was about it.

I saw in an earlier post that you said that you lost your motivation early in the fall after being rejected before receiving a secondary application from an institution that had previously placed you on their wait list. Did that torch your aspirations of earning a 3.5+ in the SMP or were you able to work through it? Also, did you perform any more community service or other ECs before matriculating into the SMP?

I appreciate your input.
 
I don't know, but I can assure you BU doesn't inflate grades. And it is much harder for us to get an A when you look at how low the grades are needed by the med students. Our scales are same as theirs are in some classes and worse in others for what we need since they are on a semi pass fail scale.

I don't know about Tufts either. So I don't know which SMPs they are referring to. Most of teh SMPs I know don't coddle grades.

Yeah, Haplo's comment was the first mention I've ever read here about an SMP inflating grades, that's why I was curious. Guess it was unjustified because he deleted the comment.

I'm a little confused by your comment about BU's grading. Do you mean exams are more difficult because of the semi P/F scale or the low avg. combined with high std. makes it harder to score in the A range?
 
Thanks for the info GujuDoc. That's an even stricter cutoff than the 90% for an A someone mentioned earlier at GT. Do you have any idea what GPA the top 25% of the class is earning? It sounds like attaining a 4.0 is incredibly difficult so I'm interested in how the top students do overall and what it takes to be competitive for med schools. I think 3.5-3.7 target has been mentioned by some people before.
 
Guys I sent in my $500 security deposit about a week and a half ago...how long does it take to process the check? I think I remember seeing a deadline for April 15th (I can't really remember if it was April 15th or May 15th)....

Anyone sent in their deposit?
 
sorry, no answers for gary. but on that note:
has anyone heard anything recently regarding admissions? i got the email that i was under review on March 10th, and haven't yet heard anything. I know it says give them 4 weeks, but from what I've put together it sounds like if you get accepted/waitlisted you hear within two weeks. If you're rejected you hear from grad admissions (not directly from the SMP), so it takes up to 4 weeks. It's been 2.5 weeks now and I'm getting a serious case of nerves!


anyone who went under review around the same time heard anything yet??
 
I got my review e-mail on March 11th and still nothing. I thought that it could be Spring Break but that starts the end of next week.
 
ewillia - thanks for the response - it's some comfort knowing someone else is in the same boat. i guess it's just pins and needles 'til we hear something!

good luck to you!
 
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sorry, no answers for gary. but on that note:
has anyone heard anything recently regarding admissions? i got the email that i was under review on March 10th, and haven't yet heard anything. I know it says give them 4 weeks, but from what I've put together it sounds like if you get accepted/waitlisted you hear within two weeks. If you're rejected you hear from grad admissions (not directly from the SMP), so it takes up to 4 weeks. It's been 2.5 weeks now and I'm getting a serious case of nerves!


anyone who went under review around the same time heard anything yet??

I received my "under review" e-mail January 4th and my acceptance e-mail arrived January 26th. Also, the subject line for the acceptance e-mail read, "Georgetown SMP Congratulations!" Hope this info helps subside some of your nervousness, and best of luck to all of you!
 
so i just sent my application packet in today, but i was wondering if anyone had a good contact phone number for the smp people. i talked to this dude a couple weeks ago, but i forgot his name and where i found his number.
anyone know who i'm talking about?

but it sure feels good to finally send in my first application. I know im pretty late :-/ i wanted to send it earlier but i was asst coaching my alma mater's basketball team- and it paid off we just won the state title this past wknd!
 
back when i was having issues with my app listing as complete, I found a number on the Georgetown Grad School of Arts and Sciences page, under Biomedical Sciences/SMP/CAM. I spoke to Travis Majors (202/ 687-7377).and he was really efficient in getting my issue worked out.
I found the number here in case you're interested to double-check.
 
sorry, no answers for gary. but on that note:
has anyone heard anything recently regarding admissions? i got the email that i was under review on March 10th, and haven't yet heard anything. I know it says give them 4 weeks, but from what I've put together it sounds like if you get accepted/waitlisted you hear within two weeks. If you're rejected you hear from grad admissions (not directly from the SMP), so it takes up to 4 weeks. It's been 2.5 weeks now and I'm getting a serious case of nerves!


anyone who went under review around the same time heard anything yet??


dispatcher, I too received a "complete / under review" email on March 10th. Let me know when you hear something! We are in the same boat :xf:
 
Hey guys...wish everyone one of you well. Hope you guys get in!!
Thanks Gary!

And Turbowned, definitely! let's keep each other informed. (and if anyone else in this same review period who hasn't chimed in yet has heard anything, it'd be great if you could let us know here too!) i am hoping today's the day - three weeks!! (ughhh. that's too long.) but then again, if i got an email from them today i'd half-expect to get another email later saying "April Fools!" haha
 
Got my review on 3/11, acceptance on 4/5!

I'm disappointed that it's not medical school for me next fall but I'm going to use that as motivation
 
I am a former SMP who is now a M1. uGPA 3.3, MCAT 33. I had just under a 3.5 in the SMP, though in the med classes I did pretty mediocre and the graduate classes really helped me out. I had 6 interviews including one at Georgetown, around one every month starting in January. I got my first acceptance at the end of June, when I had already started studying to retake my MCAT. The day before I was set to move in for med school, I got off two other waitlists. So if you end up being on waitlists, don't lose hope and make sure to ace your classes so you can send the school update letters. The SMP was the most stressful year of my life by far. Dealing with the combination of med school classes and the subjective nature of interviews/med school apps in general was very draining. But having gone through the experience I can tell you that my work ethic has been forever changed and in med. school sometimes my roommates cannot understand why I study so hard (because they didn't have to go through what I did to get into med. school). The most important advice I can give is to find a study method that works for you and stick with it. For me, I did a lot better once I concentrated on getting as many passes through the material rather than dwelling on trying to remember little details and getting frustrated in the process. Living in the library also helps.:laugh: I remember not feeling ready going into a lot of tests, but it all worked out fine in the end. It's the same thing in med school. The SMP does make things easier for M1, but I still have to work pretty hard to do well. Good luck to you all and PM if you have any questions.
 
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I am currently in the program and skimmed through this thread.

Real quick: I got in with about a 3.3 and 29. I am also from a ****ty state school.. however I was waitlisted at a MD school and I think that is how I got in.

Do not think that you will come in and get straight A's, because that is impossible. You can get some A's but it's damn hard

Good thing about this program is that I am confident that I will destroy first year in any med school I go to.

Bad thing: I think the program exaggerates its success of getting people into schools. I believe a lot of people in this program do not 'need' to be in this program, they simply applied late/California. It is those people that get in during the year. The others get in the following cycle.

Also, I would recommend going to a linkage program like Cincinnati.


Glad to hear someone that is actually in this program confirming my previous speculation (page 2 of this thread). I've gotta say that I just don't see the allure of this program. It sounds insanely intense and brutally competitive with very little reward. Add to this the fact that doing poorly (or even average it seems!) will really screw your chances of getting into medical school. Of the 4 post-baccs that I've applied to (Temple ACMS, UCONN Program B, Tulane Pharm and Gtown) this is currently my last choice based on feedback from this and similar threads. Also, the HEFTY price tag certainly doesn't help!
 
Well, most of these posts were to give you a pragmatic and realistic view of things, rather than thru the rosy glasses of official correspondence.

However, I think you (plural) are being a little too down about it. While I agree that if you qualify and can get in to a high-linkage program such as Temple or Tulane ACP you should take it, this program exists for other reasons. Many programs have a very small number 15-30 spots, this one is much bigger. Further, it is the oldest and most recognized of the SMP's, and will give you a bigger chance of getting into other schools other than Georgetown (e.g. GT seems to be the only one I'd ever heard of w/o actively researching). High-linkage programs don't seem to have the same track record at other schools besides their own.

For never interviewed/waitlisted out-of-staters like myself, an SMP was really the only option, and I felt that this was the best one when I was researching programs, and still do while in the program. It is a program for those who have the will and the dream to go to a US MD school. The majority have the CVs to go to DO or foreign schools, but are willing to spend time and money to attain this dream. Yes, many will settle for DO schools (as will I next year, if nothing comes up), but you do an SMP shooting for MD schools.

I just think some people see an SMP as a panacea to their problems; it is not, your defect will ALWAYS be there. But, you just gotta put in the hard-work you didn't in undergrad, but if you do you'll do fine. And they are upfront with you at orientation: half get in during the year, half the year after. The people who absolutely bomb during the year seem to enter other fields (i.e. phD, etc), or go to the Caribbean.

Of course there are negatives to this and any program. Nevertheless, it is a great opportunity for those last-chancers like myself, who would otherwise have no shot of getting into a US MD school. I think the problem people have is that it is a chance and not a guarantee; but, to go from no chance to some chance qualifies as a success by me. We'll see if I say the same in a few months, or next year, but that's how I feel about it now. I'm in the same shoes as Herbb was from 2 posts previously (have expiring MCAT, most likely waitlisted), had my 1st 2 interviews evarrr last week, we'll see what happens (I'm a: 3.1 uGPA, 37R MCAT, 3.7 in SMP just FYI). I agree with his post so much, in that I have completely revamped my study habits, and will never take being in school for granted again.


P.S. Hey Herbb, how bout that SDR paper huh??? Omfg, that was a doozy of a class.
 
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Got my review on 3/11, acceptance on 4/5!

I'm disappointed that it's not medical school for me next fall but I'm going to use that as motivation

Congrats ewillia!! thanks for keeping us updated.
I got an email this morning. So: under review on 3/10, waitlisted on 4/6.
(and honestly, with my stats, i was hoping to be waitlisted. at least i'm not out of the running completely yet. now i've just gotta hope feverishly that my new MCAT score and some movement on the list will find me in DC come August!)
 
Thanks.

There is a lot of movement on the waitlist. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I was waitlisted last time I applied and then eventually got in over the summer but was already committed to my MPH. Just let them know that you're still interested and would come if accepted.
 
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I got the under review email on March 19th and was accepted yesterday (April 5th). Hope that helps people with the timeline!

Good luck everyone!
 
What are your experiences? I'm becoming very nervous about the potential success (>3.5) in an SMP. All the talk about Gtown, etc, but I havent seen much on Drexel. I applied and am interviewing tomorrow for the IMS program.
 
Hey Herbb,

I graduated undergrad in 2008. My AMCAS GPA is 3.5 overall and science. My MCAT is 27 (9B, 9V, 9P, Q) on the 2nd time around. I don't plan on taking the test for a 3rd time.

I applied to the SMP's in the title bar. But after reading through all the msg's I am starting to wonder if they are worth it for me. I have great recommendations, and a long list of extra-curricular activities, volunteer, paid, clinical, research, and non-medical related. I applied to US M.D. school this yr and am waiting to hear back from 5 more, but have not been offered any interviews. I was planning on doing the SMP (assuming I get in to one) and reapplying in the summer, including D.O and international school.

Considering my GPA and MCAT, will these SMP help get me into U.S. medical school?

Do you know anything about Drexel's IMS program? What are your thoughts, etc...

Thanks
 
hey haplo, drjd, herbbb, and anyone else who's in the program or already done the program,

could you possibly give a timeline of what you did when what before school started? for example, when you started AMCAS, when/where you started looking for a place to live, when loan money came in, and all that stuff (but specifically those three, and especially the finding a place to live part? where do smp students usually end up living?) thanks a ton!
 
Well, someone PMed asking for a timeline; I think I've actually mentioned this all previously, but here goes (my timeline might differ slightly form official).

May/June: -Do your AMCAS primary. Use your complete list of schools; do research beforehand, no use waiting till orientation to find out where to app. I would recommend all your state schools, other Jesuit schools like GT (i.e. creighton, slu, etc), midwestern/southern schools. Schools like Drexel, NYMC used to be friendly, but I have no idea what they think anymore (and the people I know who do the best in SMP aren't necessarily those who got interviews there).

-Find a place to live. People should start messaging on the SMP11 boards, that's where I found my roomies/house. If not, craigslist, etc. Surrounding neighborhoods like Burleith and stuff, but I just live 3 blocks from campus. Cheapest rent will be like $750/mo for a room in a shared house, probably looking at close to $1000/mo sharing apt.
-If there is no way you can physically or financially look at places (i.e. west-coasters), try to find fellow SMPs to room with who can check out places for you.

-People live all over the place, from Rosslyn and Burleith, around campus, in Virginia, etc. No consensus. The campus is just below 36th and R streets, so if you wanna live around campus, go north of there: ascending letters (R -> S -> T, etc.). You can pretty much figure out how close your place is just knowing this approx location, as well as google mapping.

July: -Finish all the secondaries you get before the program. They are a pain in the ass to do while in class.

-Chill. Do not try to pre-prep, you'll burn out, and it's probably useless. Move-in end of month if possible (I didn't move in till day b4 orientation).

August: -Orientation is first week of Aug I think. Get your logistics handled, figure out where class is. Decide if you want to run for a class officer. Make connections, etc.

-Loans probably won't be handed out till after the fact. We didn't get loans until August 22? last year (they had us on undergrad calendar). So basically we were supposed to have paid tuition by Aug 15?, but they let everyone pay it a month later (it was financial aid's problem anyways).

Loan amounts:
-Full amount last year was ~$67,000. Most people (including me) just took the full amount. Better safe than sorry. It's about $11k subsidized stafford (no interest), $11k unsub stafford (6% APR), rest is grad plus loan (8% APR). You just fill out form they gave you in acceptance letter, and then apply thru fin aid website to a lender.

-Probably only need $58k (tuition 45k, rent 9k, live like hermit on rest). How much you take out depends on your budget, saving, etc. This will change the amount of your grad plus loan, which has the ****tiest interest rate.
 
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how long between the application portal saying completed and receiving an email regarding admissions reviewing your application?
 
i was complete in november and i got the acceptance in january, so that was about two and a half months for me.
 
They mentioned on the site that because of a new system they didn't even start reviewing applications until January. I think that they try to stay within four weeks of that review date.
 
I was waitlisted on March 22nd...

does anyone know if the waitlist at Georgeotown gets a lot of movement?
I don't have any updates, I've been out of undergrad for 2 years, and I took the MCAT twice, I got a 29M the second time with a breakdown of 10-9-10, so I'm not planning to take it again...

when do people tend to get off the waitlist, has anyone been admitted after being waitlisted yet?
 
people get off from now until the day before class.. its all based on if accepted kids are admitted to med school or not. if you read through, literally people are being accepted today, and some were accepted up until the first day last year. you have to expect that movement will be relatively large due to the large class size and quality of students, however because this is many people's first choice of smp, many that are not accepted to med this year will stay.
 
is it bad if my personal statement was 678 words? i know it said 500. but it was 1 page single spaced, and it was within the limits of the amcas personal statement (and i thought we could submit that, in lieu of another personal statement).
 
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is it bad if my personal statement was 678 words? i know it said 500. but it was 1 page single spaced, and it was within the limits of the amcas personal statement (and i thought we could submit that, in lieu of another personal statement).

Where did it say it had to be 500 words. The info I got was that if you were going to submit your AMCAS personal statement you should upload a document that says 'see AMCAS Personal Statement'... because you submit that entire AMCAS app anyway.
 
I would follow their guidance as far as word count on personal statements. If they say 500 words then give them 500 words. If you are submitting the AMCAS packet then do that but don't try to mix and match. Not following application directions is the quickest way to get it put in the "reject" bin.
 
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Guys I sent in my $500 security deposit about a week and a half ago...how long does it take to process the check? I think I remember seeing a deadline for April 15th (I can't really remember if it was April 15th or May 15th)....

Anyone sent in their deposit?

I was in D.C. two weekends ago (4/1 - 4/4) during my Easter Break and I used the opportunity to visit GTown's campus -- even though it was closed on Good Friday -- and submitted my deposit in one of the on-campus mailboxes. I got an e-mail confirming their receipt of my deposit yesterday (4/12) morning. The e-mail also included their immunization and TB certificate. Also, the deadline for the deposit is April 15th.
 
Hey All, Just got my Under Review message in my inbox this morning. Is that a bad thing since my new scores haven't been released yet?
 
So I am deciding between Tulane's Pharmacology Program, Georgetowns SMP, and Georgetown Masters in Pharm Program (different one, but still a one year program). My numbers are a 3.4 GPA, 3.0 Science GPA and a 29R MCAT. Obviously, my science GPA needs work, but these programs should help in that area.

Any advice from current SMP students or anyone else who has gone through the process? Im having trouble deciding, id love feedback from anyone who knows more about this process than me. I have to decide soon and I would love the help.

Thanks
 
You gotta boost both GPA's and the MCAT. The master's programs should help you add some upper-level biosci courses to kind of do that... except you'd have to prepare for and take the MCAT on your own. But if you do extremely well and improve your MCAT you have a shot.

Seeing as you are not in the SMP yet I'd wait to make that decision when it comes. SMP's are notoriously difficult and do nothing to improve your gpa's. GTowns in particular won't help you improve your MCAT unless you take it after you have completed it. However, if you are able to do very well in it (3.7+) and improve your MCAT a few slots... you'll have a better chance, but this is significantly harder to do.

Help me out guys, my advice is kinda sloppy here.
 
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