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I am extremely dismayed by the callous responses on this thread. Maybe the OP is a troll, maybe not. I have 4 physicians in my immediate family (as well as others in my extended family), who have all told me the exact same things as the OP. They told me not to go to med school for similar reasons, that it involved too much sacrifice and insufficient benefit as compared to other lucrative fields that still provided a high quality of life. (However, I was still interested in pursuing medicine as a career despite their reasoning.) Although I'm obviously not discouraging anyone from being a physician, I think it's wise for students to really consider what they are entering into - instead of rudely blowing off someone's (most likely) well-intentioned advice.

OP is a troll. There are people reading this forum who are crying because they've been waitlisted and don't know what to do for the next year or panicking because their MCAT scores aren't good enough for the schools they want to go to - and some rando shows up to tell you that all that effort went to waste?

1) He presumes that we're all to stupid to consider changes in public policy already, and if we had, we would eliminate medicine as a profession because our incomes will be too low. Not all of us are that shallow. Or know so little about politics that we think it'll actually happen.

2) A person who sincerely is concerned for our futures asks that you consider the possibility that health care reform will change your life, rather than imply you are silly to even bother applying to medical school.

3) I fail to understand how creating a public health insurance program to compete with private insurance companies will cut your income to 25% of what it was. According to the plan currently in Congress, the public program would use Medicare fee schedules. This means the private insurance that 99.5% use now is unaffected. Physicians having been refusing to see Medicaid and Medicare patients for years because the reimbursement is so low, there's no reason you can't also refuse to see these public program patients as well, assuming this actually passes.

If you really need a soapbox to rant about how the medical profession is undesirable, try a Letter to the Editor. Although you know it will be immediately trashed because you spell school with a K. Obvi.
 
I am extremely dismayed by the callous responses on this thread. Maybe the OP is a troll, maybe not. I have 4 physicians in my immediate family (as well as others in my extended family), who have all told me the exact same things as the OP. They told me not to go to med school for similar reasons, that it involved too much sacrifice and insufficient benefit as compared to other lucrative fields that still provided a high quality of life. (However, I was still interested in pursuing medicine as a career despite their reasoning.) Although I'm obviously not discouraging anyone from being a physician, I think it's wise for students to really consider what they are entering into - instead of rudely blowing off someone's (most likely) well-intentioned advice.

I agree with gocoastal. The majority of us here know about the possible changes in healthcare. We see the threads and articles about healthcare all the time. We understand the "risk".

To me, it is a bitch ass move by any doctor to encourage people to get out of medicine while they still can. Unlike the OP, who obviously have some regrets about his profession, we know what we are getting ourselves into. So like anyone who starts a ridiculous thread, it's gonna get rudely blown off.
 
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Hmm if you're just discovering that you don't like getting pages at 4am, maybe you should have gotten some related experience before entering med school. I've been getting pages at such hours for the past three years as an EMT. Even better, such pages are just another part of a 24 (yes 24) hour shift. Guess how much I make (in San Diego county)-$10.00/hour. Yet for some reason, I continue to do it. If money was the main motivator for many of the people on this board, I doubt that they would still be here, because that's really not what it's about. Beat it kook-no one gives a rat's rectum about your worries. 😡
 
honestly....URVASI URVASI...TAKE IT EASY POLICY....thats the way to go...and that just had no contribution to this thread
 
Hmm if you're just discovering that you don't like getting pages at 4am, maybe you should have gotten some related experience before entering med school. I've been getting pages at such hours for the past three years as an EMT. Even better, such pages are just another part of a 24 (yes 24) hour shift. Guess how much I make (in San Diego county)-$10.00/hour. Yet for some reason, I continue to do it. If money was the main motivator for many of the people on this board, I doubt that they would still be here, because that's really not what it's about. Beat it kook-no one gives a rat's rectum about your worries. 😡

👍 for "rat rectum"
 
honestly....URVASI URVASI...TAKE IT EASY POLICY....thats the way to go...and that just had no contribution to this thread
I know that we aren't supposed to diagnose people, but I think Transformers has Tourette's.
 
I'd prefer 60 hour work weeks and 300k+ a year.

Especially if they were 15-hour shifts. Hello 3-day weekend to actually enjoy 300k, provided you're not on call that is.

I am extremely dismayed by the callous responses on this thread. Maybe the OP is a troll, maybe not. I have 4 physicians in my immediate family (as well as others in my extended family), who have all told me the exact same things as the OP. They told me not to go to med school for similar reasons, that it involved too much sacrifice and insufficient benefit as compared to other lucrative fields that still provided a high quality of life. (However, I was still interested in pursuing medicine as a career despite their reasoning.) Although I'm obviously not discouraging anyone from being a physician, I think it's wise for students to really consider what they are entering into - instead of rudely blowing off someone's (most likely) well-intentioned advice.

Fewer people going into it for the money sounds good to me. Take away the debt, and I'd accept a teacher's salary. With debt, 80k would be okay.
 
Omg!! Thank you for let me know problem america doctorz...
I'll quit med skool tomorrow!!

Xoxoxo

roflcopterz!!
 
so I assume PA's will make $25,000/year and RN's will make $10,000/year then? :laugh:
 
For those of you who think physicians will always make 6 figs and be at the top of the earning period because we are "essential", you should take a look at other countries (even Western europe). The doctors in those countries make nothing close to what American doctors do, but I wouldn't say those doctors are any less essential to the population or any less in demand.

That doctor = high pay, is just a norm we are used to, and have come to expect. We are actually the exception in this matter, and not the rule. I would venture that no country in the world reimburses doctors as highly as the US does. It's not absurd to think that one day that might not be the case. The truth is the current health system is not sustainable, and something has to give, and whether that something is physician salary, quality of care, etc is still to be seen.
 
For those of you who think physicians will always make 6 figs and be at the top of the earning period because we are "essential", you should take a look at other countries (even Western europe). The doctors in those countries make nothing close to what American doctors do, but I wouldn't say those doctors are any less essential to the population or any less in demand.

That doctor = high pay, is just a norm we are used to, and have come to expect. We are actually the exception in this matter, and not the rule. I would venture that no country in the world reimburses doctors as highly as the US does. It's not absurd to think that one day that might not be the case. The truth is the current health system is not sustainable, and something has to give, and whether that something is physician salary, quality of care, etc is still to be seen.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,575805,00.jpg
Poor Germans 🙁
 
For those of you who think physicians will always make 6 figs and be at the top of the earning period because we are "essential", you should take a look at other countries (even Western europe). The doctors in those countries make nothing close to what American doctors do, but I wouldn't say those doctors are any less essential to the population or any less in demand.

That doctor = high pay, is just a norm we are used to, and have come to expect. We are actually the exception in this matter, and not the rule. I would venture that no country in the world reimburses doctors as highly as the US does. It's not absurd to think that one day that might not be the case. The truth is the current health system is not sustainable, and something has to give, and whether that something is physician salary, quality of care, etc is still to be seen.

That's all well and good, but you fail to point out the major caveat: medical school in Europe is WAY cheaper than here and often subsidized by the government. Most docs over there dont' have to deal with being $300K in debt.
 
That's all well and good, but you fail to point out the major caveat: medical school in Europe is WAY cheaper than here and often subsidized by the government. Most docs over there dont' have to deal with being $300K in debt.

Even so, we still are compensated above and beyond in most cases. AND even if the medical schools are subsidized, many of the countries still have private colleges that they still have to pay for (so there is still some debt most likely).

Obviously they aren't 300k in debt with 50k salary, lol, nobody is that dense. I'm just saying, the quality of life that we associate with being a physician is a phenomenon fairly unique to the US from what I can tell.
 
Socialized medicine up North has led to wait lists for patients.
Drs here see high volumes of patients but our incomes are competitive with if not greater than current incomes in many places in the US.

With a 2 tier US system, expect accountability, and more primary care physicians. But also will get better incomes for primary care, and much needed oversight of specialists.

A busy family doc often 250-350K in major Ontario cities, 400-500K potential in rural areas. Not too shabby, even by US private medicine standards.
 
I am extremely dismayed by the callous responses on this thread. Maybe the OP is a troll, maybe not. I have 4 physicians in my immediate family (as well as others in my extended family), who have all told me the exact same things as the OP. They told me not to go to med school for similar reasons, that it involved too much sacrifice and insufficient benefit as compared to other lucrative fields that still provided a high quality of life. (However, I was still interested in pursuing medicine as a career despite their reasoning.) Although I'm obviously not discouraging anyone from being a physician, I think it's wise for students to really consider what they are entering into - instead of rudely blowing off someone's (most likely) well-intentioned advice.

What are these lucrative fields that still provide a high quality of life? :laugh:
 
I'd like to remind everyone that conversations should remain positive and respectful.

Please refrain from insulting others and using inappropriate language.
 
Finance. Oh wait, that bubble lasted about as long as the dot-com one. Is the OP really insinuating that we were in a health-care bubble? Furthermore, it's well known that insurance companies are the problem, not doctors reimbursements (actually the problem is that they are too LOW in primary care, and that's something that will most likely change), and that's where the cost cutting will happen.

Furthermore, we are all 10 years away from practicing. That's two more administration changes. Socialism won't last in America.

Finance was never a lifestyle friendly field. Investment banking analysts work just as many hours as residents.

As far as I know, medicine is the only sure-shot to a $150k/year+ salary.
 
For those of you who think physicians will always make 6 figs and be at the top of the earning period because we are "essential", you should take a look at other countries (even Western europe). The doctors in those countries make nothing close to what American doctors do, but I wouldn't say those doctors are any less essential to the population or any less in demand.

That doctor = high pay, is just a norm we are used to, and have come to expect. We are actually the exception in this matter, and not the rule. I would venture that no country in the world reimburses doctors as highly as the US does. It's not absurd to think that one day that might not be the case. The truth is the current health system is not sustainable, and something has to give, and whether that something is physician salary, quality of care, etc is still to be seen.

Exactly why they won't allow it to happen in America. There is no way they let physician salaries drop that low even after reform.

Quite honestly, the people promoting this propaganda that doctors will be eating out of cat food cans are one of two people: those who don't understand the reform options on the table and those who refuse to accept any change for the sake of their own political ideology's well being.
 
Even so, we still are compensated above and beyond in most cases. AND even if the medical schools are subsidized, many of the countries still have private colleges that they still have to pay for (so there is still some debt most likely).

Obviously they aren't 300k in debt with 50k salary, lol, nobody is that dense. I'm just saying, the quality of life that we associate with being a physician is a phenomenon fairly unique to the US from what I can tell.

don't forget malpractice insurance. they don't live in a society where everything is someone else's fault.
 
Thanks, I'll make sure to do more research on the subject. Would you be so kind as to point in the right direction? Why do you spell school wrong? I highly doubt that doctors will make only 80k a year.
Don't mind him, hes just pissy because nurses are taking over his profession.
 
so I assume PA's will make $25,000/year and RN's will make $10,000/year then? :laugh:
Have you ever talked to an RN? According to them, their subspecialties are going to be making $150k/yr while doctors are going to start making $50k/yr.
 
From physicians I've talked to, the actual change in salary, according to the draft released a couple of days ago, is more likely to be around 20-30% for many specialties, as the gov't says it will pay at a fee schedule equal to 5% above medicare, while the docs I spoke with generally shoot for contracts with insurance companies allowing them to bill 130% of medicare. 105% is obviously lower than the "ideal" (in this scenario) contract of 130% of medicare, but it's not like it's 50% of medicare or anything and the reality is that if all patients are able to pay because of it and, therefore, docs don't do as much work for "free," losses will likely be minimal -- assuming, of course, that this plan can be funded somehow w/o killing us with taxes....
 
From physicians I've talked to, the actual change in salary, according to the draft released a couple of days ago, is more likely to be around 20-30% for many specialties, as the gov't says it will pay at a fee schedule equal to 5% above medicare, while the docs I spoke with generally shoot for contracts with insurance companies allowing them to bill 130% of medicare. 105% is obviously lower than the "ideal" (in this scenario) contract of 130% of medicare, but it's not like it's 50% of medicare or anything and the reality is that if all patients are able to pay because of it and, therefore, docs don't do as much work for "free," losses will likely be minimal -- assuming, of course, that this plan can be funded somehow w/o killing us with taxes....

AND, this change in income assumes that you only take patients covered under the new public insurance plan. Private insurance still exists. Businesses will still pay for it. I'm still going to be filthy rich. WHEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
 
I have no doubt that this is a troll, and agree with everyone else who said that, mostly because the person never came back to argue his points.

Interesting how a troll brought up D.O vs. M.D. but did not try to spark that debate.
 
I have no doubt that this is a troll, and agree with everyone else who said that, mostly because the person never came back to argue his points.

Interesting how a troll brought up D.O vs. M.D. but did not try to spark that debate.


Why does everybody assume that the OP is a troll? Because he spelled school as 'skool' and used Brett Michaels' reference?

The OP speaks accurately about the respect that D.Os get, and he describes a typical on-call and post-call experience. You know, the part about burning eyes and forgetting sthetoscope. His comments about VA also sound right.

But most of all...

...whether or not the OP is who he/she claims to be, his words reflect what increasing number of doctors feel. Dissatisfaction is high and rising, and it will continue so after the healthcare 'reform'.
 
I would too. Look the fact is, you can't go into medicine for the money but at the same time you can't say you don't care about money. It is what makes the world go 'round and with the large amount of debt we will accrue along with the years of training, we should be compensated. I obviously want to help people and I love learning and science, but I also expect to be able to drive a 5 series, live in a nice house and not have to worry about money for daily living expenses.

Well said. The fact of the matter is that medicine is an unbelievably hard career path to pursue. So however much doctors make, I think it is well justified.
 
For those of you who think physicians will always make 6 figs and be at the top of the earning period because we are "essential", you should take a look at other countries (even Western europe). The doctors in those countries make nothing close to what American doctors do, but I wouldn't say those doctors are any less essential to the population or any less in demand.

That doctor = high pay, is just a norm we are used to, and have come to expect. We are actually the exception in this matter, and not the rule. I would venture that no country in the world reimburses doctors as highly as the US does. It's not absurd to think that one day that might not be the case. The truth is the current health system is not sustainable, and something has to give, and whether that something is physician salary, quality of care, etc is still to be seen.

Yes but in those same countries the time it takes you to become a doctor and the difficulty of it is significantly less challenging.
 
I have no idea if the OP is for real or not, nor does it matter- if the OP's goal was to dissuade premeds from entering medicine, he/she was engaging in a colossal waste of time as there has likely never been in history a group with worse tunnel vision than premeds (I know, I used to be one). Nothing probably would have turned me aside from the path of medicine; just like all of you, I thought I knew what I was getting into. Well, sort of, I did- and sort of, I didn't. Allow me to explain.

I start residency next week, and while I am in some ways excited, mostly I am terrified. Terrified about the responsibility, terrified about the loss of my life as I know it- I have already relocated halfway across the country, away from my friends and family, and am now embarking on an 80 hr/wk job that will allow me little free time to make new friends or even attend to my basic needs outside of the hospital. But what scares me the most is the debt- and mine isn't even that bad, compared with many of my classmates. I knew what I was getting into intellectually, but let me tell you, the reality of six-figure debt, sleepless call nights, and the very real possibility you might kill someone and/or get sued, is very different when it is facing you directly than when it is an abstract reality in some distant future.

Now, don't get me wrong- I think I'll be okay. I'm entering a primary care field, which pays little but is also less likely to be negatively impacted by impending health care reforms, and as I said my debt is not as bad as it could be. And overall, I still feel like despite the many, many shortcomings of our medical system I will have the opportunity to do good work in people's lives and hopefully make some positive contributions. But there is a grain of truth to the idea that maybe, just maybe, it would be worth stepping back from pursuit of the goal of med school admissions for a few seconds and considering the life you are trying to enter and whether it is worth (financially, emotionally) the sacrifices you will make. I know most of you have done that to some extent, but try to really imagine how you will feel with $250K of debt (which many of you will have) and an uncertain salary- probably not $80k, but maybe substantially less than what your current attendings are making; all in a climate where you likely spend as much time on documentation to avoid getting sued as you actually spend with patients. I don't regret the decision to go to medical school yet, but I would be lying if I said it never occurred to me that I could do many of the same things for patients- seriously- as a NP or PA for a fraction of the time and debt I have put into becoming a doctor. No, I would probably never make 6 figures, but I would also not be looking at >$1000/mo loan payments, slave labor posing as residency, or anywhere near the same malpractice liability.

One real trend I have noticed is rising tuition costs- my former school charges something like 20-25% more than when I started- while reimbursements for physicians in most fields are either stable or declining. Even if you are not going into medicine for the money, you will need to pay those loans back (with interest!) and you will need a decent salary to do that and still have a home, send your kids to college, etc. I have seen, more times than I can count, people on this board urge others to go to the most expensive school "if that's where you'll be happier," or tell the single mom with 2 kids that med school is worth the sacrifice to her family and the huge debt she'll take on (you know what the single mom in my class did to get through her clinical years? She hired a live-in nanny and borrowed extensive private loans to do so, and if you think that's extravagant, consider how many daycares or babysitters you can turn to when you are working 80-90 hrs/wk and 30 hr shifts). Perhaps, if nothing else, these attitudes bear closer examination in the current climate. I mean the "med school at all costs" attitude, the one that says any sacrifice is worth it to be a doctor, that any amount of debt or salary decline is irrelevant and would only phase those who aren't serious enough. These are real problems I, and eventually many of you, will face if you continue on the path to med school, and they bear some consideration even if the person bringing them up is a bit odd (I meant the OP, not me, although I suppose it works either way).

I don't know what the point of all this was, other than to say that things do look a bit different once you come out the other end (unless you are lucky enough to have a trust fund to pay for all of this). I wouldn't tell anyone not to go into medicine- the world needs doctors, you've got to do something with your life, and all of that- but at least consider that you might feel differently in a few years and that not everyone urging you to think carefully about this decision (I know, I know, you already have) is a kook, or shouldn't have gone into medicine themselves in the first place. Just a thought.
 
What professions that is actually attainable make more money.

None really. Big law jobs used to pay $150k/year to start...with that catch that most big law jobs went to top-14 law school students. I've heard that entry level big law salaries are being lowered, so who knows anymore.

There's money to be made in banking, but you'll have a harder time breaking because of the recession. Pedigree is important in banking, too. They prefer target students (Ivy) over non-target students, but it's still possible to great in. I-banking analysts get a ~$60k/year base + bonus, usually amounting to $100k total compensation.

The way I see it is: the ceiling is lower in medicine than law or banking, but the basement in medicine is way higher.
 
Even so, we still are compensated above and beyond in most cases. AND even if the medical schools are subsidized, many of the countries still have private colleges that they still have to pay for (so there is still some debt most likely).

Obviously they aren't 300k in debt with 50k salary, lol, nobody is that dense. I'm just saying, the quality of life that we associate with being a physician is a phenomenon fairly unique to the US from what I can tell.

First off define "European" because some European countries pay thier doctors very decently. Also In a lot of Europe countries medschool is after highschool and they work 35-40 hours a week.
 
hmmm, people think the OP is trying to weed out people and he is a troll, he maybe, but he's also correct at many things...

working you butt off for 7-8 years (med school+residency) for "negative income" (debt) and even after that, getting paid abt a 100k after insurance and so on, is just ridiculous.... if u just get a business degree and work for 8 years, u'll have life for those years, u'll have a well settled family at the end of those 8 years, and you'll have saved money at the end of those 8 year + after promotions (hopefully) your income will be 60 k + at the least..
60k working 40 hrs a week is way better than 100k working unaccounted hr/week.
 
guys guys...URVASI, URVASI- take it easy POLICY!!- thats the way to go!
 
I'm SERIOUS guys! Medicine is NOT the field to get into if you want MONEY. Only if you REALLY want to work hard, get paid less than a plumber, and HELP people. That's IT.

http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/107216/obamas-doctor-knocks-obamacare.html;_ylt=Avn9qv2rWSBPumcbGYJHYma7YWsA?mod=insurance-health

Regarding health care reform: Do you think physicians are going to take better or worse care of their patients if further decreases reimbursements? Do you think the brightest or dumbest students are going to enter medical school if it means 40 years of paying back debt?

I told you: get out while you can OR email you senator and tell them not to make "Medicare for all" part of health care reform.

TRUST ME. I'M LIVING IT.

Here's an email from a friend's anesthesia group. He forwarded it to me because he's only 2 years out of residency but already has his plan B, next career ready to go (lucky him):
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Most readers have heard and read that anesthesiology faces a major risk that is unique to this specialty: the possibility that a public option will pay Medicare rates, or anything close to Medicare's current national average anesthesia conversion factor of $20.92. In that scenario, a shift of just 500 cases from private insurance to the public plan or co-op using the Medicare rate could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars lost. For example:

500 commercially-insured cases x 12 units (average) = 6,000 units
Average 2009 commercial conversion factor (hypothetical) = $65
Gross revenues = $390,000
______________

Average 2010 public plan conversion factor (if unchanged from 2009): $20.92
Gross revenues = $125,520
______________

Net loss = ($264,480)
______________

And, if the SGR-driven decrease of 21% in the conversion factor is not fixed, the public plan could be paying as little as $16.53, for a net loss of nearly $300,000 on those 500 hypothetical cases.


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...And don't forget, physician's have rent, electricity, employees, malpractice to pay too!

What did I say??? Get out while you can.
 
Might as well send you guys the entire email. I'm not a "troll" - I'm a real attending anesthesiologist just out of residency and alerting all you pre-meds what you are getting yourself into.

IT WILL PASS. WE WILL BE MAKING MUCH LESS MONEY THAN YOU CAN BELIEVE.

Don't be an idiot and just blow off what I say and/or turn a blind eye to what is really going on in Congress. You THINK you understand the risk, but you haven't had to take a 30-hr call - over and over - yet! Ha!

Medicine is still an honorable profession though. I enjoy the challenge, taking good care of my patients, and I have 0 school loans. But not having any school loans was a big part of my decision process in going into medicine.

GOOD LUCK!

Here's the entire email that my friend forwarded me:
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June 15, 2009

In June???

Today President Obama will deliver a major speech at the American Medical Association's annual meeting in Chicago. The President will use this opportunity to push for a government sponsored health plan to compete with private insurance. He called for a "public option" last week in his open letter to top Senate Democrats and again in remarks given in a high school gymnasium in Green Bay, Wisconsin, but intended for the American public.

The AMA opposes any public plan that requires physicians to participate, that expands the Medicare program or that pays Medicare rates, as does the American Society of Anesthesiologists. The AMA has just indicated that it is open to considering alternatives such as a "federally-chartered co-op health plan or a level playing field option for all plans." The outlines of an insurance cooperative that would be owned and operated for its members, but not government-run, will probably appear in the draft healthcare reform bill expected to be released by the Senate Finance Committee within the next several days.

President Obama has said from the beginning that he wants bipartisan support for a healthcare reform bill. That is much more likely to happen if the bill provides for a co-op than for a government-run plan, as the AMA has urged.

Today's speech should be very interesting, and the negotiations over the form of the future public plan even more so. Add to the mix the President's proposal to reduce Medicare/Medicaid spending by an additional $313 billion over the next decade, announced in his weekly radio and internet address on June 13. It is definitely the season for anesthesiologists, nurse anesthetists, anesthesiologists assistants, their practice administrators and their friends to involve themselves in shaping healthcare reform.

Most readers have heard and read that anesthesiology faces a major risk that is unique to this specialty: the possibility that a public option will pay Medicare rates, or anything close to Medicare's current national average anesthesia conversion factor of $20.92. In that scenario, a shift of just 500 cases from private insurance to the public plan or co-op using the Medicare rate could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars lost. For example:

500 commercially-insured cases x 12 units (average) = 6,000 units
Average 2009 commercial conversion factor (hypothetical) = $65
Gross revenues = $390,000
______________

Average 2010 public plan conversion factor (if unchanged from 2009): $20.92
Gross revenues = $125,520
______________

Net loss = ($264,480)
______________

And, if the SGR-driven decrease of 21% in the conversion factor is not fixed, the public plan could be paying as little as $16.53, for a net loss of nearly $300,000 on those 500 hypothetical cases.

If you think that we're hitting this topic too hard and would like us to address more practice issues, please send us topic suggestions or questions. In the meantime, bear with us as we make another appeal for personal action. First, we encourage you to continue your telephone calls and letters to your legislators asking them to oppose both Medicare-based payment rates and to repeal the SGR.

There is a new opportunity for ASA members to lend their voices to the cause. We would like to urge you to participate in ASA's Grassroots Network. <http://abc.createsend.com/t/r/l/iruhjr/jjjijdlr/r> Fourteen hundred individuals have already signed up for the Grassroots Network since its launch at the May 2009 Legislative Conference. As explained on ASA's website, "The ASA Grassroots Network educates and activates members when the collective voices of anesthesiologists are needed to influence legislation, regulation or other actions that impact the specialty."

Grassroots Network volunteers agree to respond to "Action Alerts" from ASA and to talk and write to their legislators and colleagues about the specialty's issues. Even more valuable are the Grassroots Network anesthesiologists who develop and cultivate personal relationships with their legislators and who commit to respond to requests from ASA to take specific action, on short notice, on significant legislative issues - the "Key Contacts".

ASA has answered the question, "HOW DO YOU BECOME A KEY CONTACT?" in its Washington Advocacy Guide <http://abc.createsend.com/t/r/l/iruhjr/jjjijdlr/y> , recently published by the Committee on Governmental Affairs. The Guide states:

Developing a relationship with your Member of Congress
is key. Some relationships are personal and develop naturally
through friends, family or a common thread such as
membership in the same civic or alumni organization or
even having children that attend school together. Other
Key Contact relationships are developed through years
of meeting and working with the Member of Congress on
various issues.

Developing a Key Contact relationship from scratch takes
time, effort and patience. An ideal way to meet an elected
official is to be introduced through a common friend,
such as another ASA member that already has an established
relationship.

The Guide describes a number of other ways to grow your relationship you're your Senators or Members of Congress and invites interested ASA members to identify themselves at http://www.asahq.org/Washington/grassroots.htm <http://abc.createsend.com/t/r/l/iruhjr/jjjijdlr/j> .

ASA members who are willing to become Grassroots Network volunteers or, better yet, Key Contacts can leverage the Society's ability to advance the specialty's interests in Washington exponentially if enough of you join. Imagine if every anesthesiology group had at least one member who was willing to spread the message within the group and on the Hill.

Anesthesia practice administrators, we hope that you are reading this Announcement too. A number of you have told us that you're ready to make it as easy as necessary for your anesthesiologists to join in ASA's efforts. You may well be the vital advocates who inspire your doctors to become Key Contacts for your individual groups.

ABC is very grateful to ASA. The representation ASA provides is going to determine the survival of the specialty. We would like to repay the debt by persuading as many of our readers as possible to become activists and advocates.

As always, we are eager to receive suggestions for practice management (or legislative!) topics on which our clients and other readers would like us to publish information.

Sincerely,

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President and CEO

If you have any questions or would like additional information please call 517-xxx-xxxx x 4113
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And also, it's NOT to late to quit unless you are in your 4th yr of med school by which time you will have invested way too much time/money to stop and might as well just slog through the rest of it.
 
And also, it's NOT to late to quit unless you are in your 4th yr of med school by which time you will have invested way too much time/money to stop and might as well just slog through the rest of it.


Well damn, I start med school in August. I don't think you're a troll. I won't be practicing for another 8-10 years.....who knows where the system will be by then (yes this is a very naive approach).

I appreciate the info and this does make me want to be more political for my future career and its outlook.
 
Hmm if you're just discovering that you don't like getting pages at 4am, maybe you should have gotten some related experience before entering med school. I've been getting pages at such hours for the past three years as an EMT. Even better, such pages are just another part of a 24 (yes 24) hour shift. Guess how much I make (in San Diego county)-$10.00/hour. Yet for some reason, I continue to do it. If money was the main motivator for many of the people on this board, I doubt that they would still be here, because that's really not what it's about. Beat it kook-no one gives a rat's rectum about your worries. 😡

Yeaaah buddy. I've been working 24's as well. 3 per week! I beat you though, here in LA we get $9.80 😉
 
Yea, I don't think appleanesthesia is a troll either. I really appreciate the info and warnings you're giving us, but unfortunately, I can't seem to want to do anything other than medicine. :meanie:

Like Cp22kjer, I will definitely try to be more active regarding politics, etc. though.
 
I'm SERIOUS guys! Medicine is NOT the field to get into if you want MONEY. Only if you REALLY want to work hard, get paid less than a plumber, and HELP people. That's IT.

http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/107216/obamas-doctor-knocks-obamacare.html;_ylt=Avn9qv2rWSBPumcbGYJHYma7YWsA?mod=insurance-health

Regarding health care reform: Do you think physicians are going to take better or worse care of their patients if further decreases reimbursements? Do you think the brightest or dumbest students are going to enter medical school if it means 40 years of paying back debt?

I told you: get out while you can OR email you senator and tell them not to make "Medicare for all" part of health care reform.

TRUST ME. I'M LIVING IT.

I'm not sure why you posted this link. This is a quote from the article:

What should the president be focused on? Scheiner thinks that a good health reform would be "Medicare for all," a single-payer system where the government would cover everyone and pay for it by cutting out waste in the system. "A neurosurgeon gets paid $20,000 for cutting into the neck of my patient. Have him get paid $1 million a year instead of $2 million or $3 million. He won't starve," Scheiner says.

Scheiner thinks that Obama's "public plan" reform doesn't go far enough. He supports the idea of that option for people who don't like or can't afford their HMO. But he worries that it will be watered down or not happen at all. "It's nonsense that the private insurance companies need to be protected," he says. "Why? Because they've done such a good job?"

I respect your decision to warn premeds, so thank you for that. Having said that, your particular specialty is one of many. Plus I suspect whatever reform happens will shift the focus away from specialties and put it on primary care. I have seen many places that argue salaries for PCPs will go up.
 
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