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I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I'm starting vet school this year! With that said, I have time off since I graduated and while it's nice to focus on art and creative stuff, my science brain is a little bored.

I know some of you will just say enjoy your time off and don't do anything, but if you had time to learn some stuff and get a "head start" before vet school, what would you focus on?
 
Stop making the rest of us look bad!
 
I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I'm starting vet school this year! With that said, I have time off since I graduated and while it's nice to focus on art and creative stuff, my science brain is a little bored.

I know some of you will just say enjoy your time off and don't do anything, but if you had time to learn some stuff and get a "head start" before vet school, what would you focus on?

I would focus on enjoying your time off.
 
I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I'm starting vet school this year! With that said, I have time off since I graduated and while it's nice to focus on art and creative stuff, my science brain is a little bored.

I know some of you will just say enjoy your time off and don't do anything, but if you had time to learn some stuff and get a "head start" before vet school, what would you focus on?
I didn't prepare academically. I worked a lot and used that money for groceries/rent to get a "head start."
 
Nothing. It's not worth it. You'll either discover that you spent the whole summer studying something that was brushed over in a day or so or you studied the material wrong (or in a different way than your school presents it). The only thing I wish I would have learned before vet school is how to cook and eat healthy. 😛 If you're really bored you could get a (low-stress) job with animals or work in a clinic to save some money. I worked for my parents the summer before vet school (training standardbred race horses) and shadowed a semi-retired race track vet once a week. Spent my time off traveling with my SO (getting engaged 😀), relaxing, SLEEPING, making some pinterest-decor for my apartment ect. There is usually a thread every year on this topic if you feel like searching for them.
 
Sleep, travel, fun things, and more sleep. That is my plan.
 
Sleeping all summer is totally acceptable, yes? Okay? Cool. 😴

In actuality, I haven't gotten in anywhere yet, but if I do, I just intend on relaxing, really. I may see if I can secure a small part-time job to help out a bit with living costs and food and whatnot. But that's about it.
 
I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I'm starting vet school this year! With that said, I have time off since I graduated and while it's nice to focus on art and creative stuff, my science brain is a little bored.

I know some of you will just say enjoy your time off and don't do anything, but if you had time to learn some stuff and get a "head start" before vet school, what would you focus on?
I'm going to keep working two jobs and prepare to move, and I have financial aid paperwork and scholarship applications to complete, which will keep me busy on my days off. Although I'm not going to be hitting a textbook anytime soon, to answer your question if I DID....I would brush up on anatomy and physiology, I love that stuff and everything I learned in that class I apply every day to my job, there's nothing in those subjects that I would find a waste of time. I'm also reminding myself that I'm going to be a student again for a verrrrrry loooooong time, and I will be giving up a certain amount of independence that I've enjoyed since graduating in 2014, so basically the textbooks are very far away at this point!
 
I feel like every year there is a thread in which the incoming vet students feel like they are going to be "behind" academic wise, and they all want to "study ahead." It's seriously not worth it, and people that studied over the summer versus enjoyed themselves are usually at the same page by the end of day 2 or 3. In general, vet schools do a good job at getting everyone on the same page regardless of prior background so don't worry about trying to get ahead, just enjoy your time off!

Something that I would actually recommend though, if you want to do anything "productive," is to get into good habits that will follow you into vet school. For me it was finding and trying recipes that I liked that I could freeze and throw into my crockpot. This is a HUGE time saver and it really helps my physical and mental health when I don't have to rely on ramen or frozen pizzas all the time. I also went through 10-12 different baking recipes so I could have some "stress-baked cookies" on hand that I loved. Some of my classmates exercised a few times a week and let that flow into vet school. Some even adjusted sleeping habits a few weeks before. Whatever helps you mental and/or physically to set yourself up for success for vet school is (in my opinion), much more valuable than studying a chapter or two out of the "Dissection Guide of the Dog."
 
Well fine then. I'm taking a nap.

Hey man, you asked. 🙂

Seriously. I was an idiot and I spent a while reviewing all my .... biochem, I think it was.

And then alllllllll that material was covered in the first of 6 (or 7?) biochem exams in the first semester of vet school. Yay me. All that time invested only to blaze through the material and then be no more 'studied up' than anyone else, with 5 or 6 exams to go in the class.

It's really just not worth it.

I mean, if you <REALLY> have to ... the anatomy coloring book comment someone made is probably a good place to start. Learning another language is an awesome idea. Doing things like getting your life in order and all your bills on auto-pay is a good plan. But spending large chunks of time trying to 'pre-study' for vet school - it just isn't efficient and ends up not being a good investment. Not that it can't help you a little ... just that it isn't worth it.
 
That is actually a super recommendation.
Seriously, if you could speak Spanish or Chinese, you open up so many doors.
Totally agreed on this point! There's definitely a shortage of veterinarians in the US who are multilingual. You may not think it all that useful to learn another language, but it really, really does open up a lot of doors for you. I've studied Spanish for 8 years and Japanese for 3, both in an academic setting; I've also used both far more than I'd have expected to as a customer service worker -- imagine just how helpful it could be in practice! Especially Spanish.
 
I just said the above not that long ago. I'm going to have to smack you upside the head now.

Bring it.

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Coursera!! It's the best! I don't really like their veterinary/animal courses but I've seen and taken some really interesting courses in neuro, evolution, etc. Tons of free courses on everything, homework/exams optional (who wants to actually feel like they're in school though), no strings attached. There are some classes offered by med schools that could give you a teeny bit of a leg up. Mostly though, it'll help with your science deprivation and, you know, make you a cooler human being. 😎

Our anatomy group was told by a prof last semester that we were already behind the first day of class -- probably partly due to how none of us do the reading before lab. It's really hard to know how to study until you're neck deep in cadavers, though. In hindsight, knowing bones before dissecting all the stuff attached to them would've helped me a lot. Buuut travel/sleep/Netflix/chill will be better for your mental health. Priorities.
 
Seriously, if you could speak Spanish or Chinese, you open up so many doors.
Out of curiosity, for those of you who are currently working in GP, do you come across clients who have English as a second language often? I suppose that depends on the area you are in, as well.
 
Out of curiosity, for those of you who are currently working in GP, do you come across clients who have English as a second language often? I suppose that depends on the area you are in, as well.
You also come across clients that barely have English as a language at all.
Hand signals and pictures, plus conference call with their relatives generally. I do a so-so Spanish job, really need to brush up on that. But had Italian speakers the other day, and it was tough. I'm also useless when it comes to mandarin and others like that.
 
I want to get Rosetta Stone and learn to speak Spanish better!

Don't waste your money on Rosetta Stone. It really is not worth it. If you can get it for free or super cheap, go for it, but it's not very useful if you want to have a good command of the language. If you want to learn some bare bones basics, it'll suffice, but there are cheaper, better language learning programs that'll get you to the same point. If you already know the basics and are trying to get to the intermediate and advanced levels, Rosetta Stone will be completely useless, since you need explicit instruction and explanations as well as regular feedback/correction to really make progress. You could also try playing online with Duolingo, which is free. It's a bit flawed, but it's fun enough that most people actually really enjoy practicing and it's good enough to keep some of your knowledge/skills fresh. Finding a buddy to chat with in person and do things like watch movies or listen to music is also a really great way to keep learning, and it's fun enough that you don't even feel like you're doing any work. 🙂
 
Out of curiosity, for those of you who are currently working in GP, do you come across clients who have English as a second language often? I suppose that depends on the area you are in, as well.

Or who don't speak it period. I have had to use clients' young children as a translator. That's always fun when you have a 6 year old trying to translate what you're saying into something the parent(s) can understand.
 
Don't waste your money on Rosetta Stone. It really is not worth it. If you can get it for free or super cheap, go for it, but it's not very useful if you want to have a good command of the language. If you want to learn some bare bones basics, it'll suffice, but there are cheaper, better language learning programs that'll get you to the same point. If you already know the basics and are trying to get to the intermediate and advanced levels, Rosetta Stone will be completely useless, since you need explicit instruction and explanations as well as regular feedback/correction to really make progress. You could also try playing online with Duolingo, which is free. It's a bit flawed, but it's fun enough that most people actually really enjoy practicing and it's good enough to keep some of your knowledge/skills fresh. Finding a buddy to chat with in person and do things like watch movies or listen to music is also a really great way to keep learning, and it's fun enough that you don't even feel like you're doing any work. 🙂

I loooove foreign films, so I actually watch a decent amount of Spanish movies! I took 3 semesters of it in college, and I think the way they taught it was super flawed. Not enough speaking practice (even with the 2-3 hours a week I spent in extra credit conversation meetings). I've heard really good things about Rosetta Stone, but I'll look in to better/cheaper options. I surprised myself in Miami with how much I could speak, but it really wasn't good Spanish. I SOOO badly want to be bilingual!

Edit: to the horror of my friends and family, I also listen to the Spanish radio in my car to help myself learn. Lol. I don't think it's as effective as I would hope!
 
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Or who don't speak it period. I have had to use clients' young children as a translator. That's always fun when you have a 6 year old trying to translate what you're saying into something the parent(s) can understand.
It's even better when both parties speak English, and the younger one still needs to 'translate' for you 😛
 
Out of curiosity, for those of you who are currently working in GP, do you come across clients who have English as a second language often? I suppose that depends on the area you are in, as well.

No, it's extremely rare for me. I work in an area with a very predominantly white English speaking clientele.

Man it's funny how PC my clients are. They could just tell my staff "the Asian one" and it would be easy when my staff asks them what doctor they were trying to contact. But they are so worried about being offensive that they go "the shorter younger one with the dark hair." Pretty sure I'm the only Asian doctor who's ever been at this practice in like 50 years or something that it's been here.
 
I loooove foreign films, so I actually watch a decent amount of Spanish movies! I took 3 semesters of it in college, and I think the way they taught it was super flawed. Not enough speaking practice (even with the 2-3 hours a week I spent in extra credit conversation meetings). I've heard really good things about Rosetta Stone, but I'll look in to better/cheaper options. I surprised myself in Miami with how much I could speak, but it really wasn't good Spanish. I SOOO badly want to be bilingual!

Edit: to the horror of my friends and family, I also listen to the Spanish radio in my car to help myself learn. Lol. I don't think it's as effective as I would hope!

Listening to the radio isn't going to magically make you bilingual, but it definitely helps! Especially if you find it interesting enough to keep doing. 🙂 You get to hear how people pronounce things and the specific words they choose in specific contexts. It may not seem like it's helping all that much, but it does improve your understanding. Same thing with music and movies. They're good ways to expand your vocabulary and get exposure to different accents and variations. It gives you more of a flavor for the actual living language. In all of my years of studying languages, before I switched careers, movies and music were my go-to methods for really delving into a language. I found that singing along to songs I liked really, really helped refine my pronunciation. It lets you do something repetitive without it seeming so boring, and even when we learn a song in our native language, we tend to imitate the singer, and that imitation helps you learn.

Reading can also be pretty useful, if you avoid some of the pitfalls. If you read to get a general idea of what's going on and then go back to look up a few words that seem really important to understanding, it'll be more enjoyable, and you'll read more than you would if your goal was to understand absolutely every word. I like reading the news and I like fiction, so those are two things that I used to read to practice. Worked pretty well.

Do see if you can find a speaking buddy somewhere, though. Writing is the most difficult skill to acquire, followed by speaking, so it's always super helpful to have a way to practice active skills instead of only passive ones like reading.

IME, Spanish has been pretty useful in my work in vet med, and it's saved our butts more than once. I've had to translate for the doctors before, and in a few instances, it would've been very difficult for them to communicate effectively otherwise. Simple phrases, gestures, etc. can take you a long way, but sometimes you're stuck. I think it's a great idea to work on practicing in another language. Keep at it. 🙂 And if I ever get around to making my sheet of English/Spanish medical terminology, I'll send it to you. 😀
 
Listening to the radio isn't going to magically make you bilingual, but it definitely helps! Especially if you find it interesting enough to keep doing. 🙂 You get to hear how people pronounce things and the specific words they choose in specific contexts. It may not seem like it's helping all that much, but it does improve your understanding. Same thing with music and movies. They're good ways to expand your vocabulary and get exposure to different accents and variations. It gives you more of a flavor for the actual living language. In all of my years of studying languages, before I switched careers, movies and music were my go-to methods for really delving into a language. I found that singing along to songs I liked really, really helped refine my pronunciation. It lets you do something repetitive without it seeming so boring, and even when we learn a song in our native language, we tend to imitate the singer, and that imitation helps you learn.

Reading can also be pretty useful, if you avoid some of the pitfalls. If you read to get a general idea of what's going on and then go back to look up a few words that seem really important to understanding, it'll be more enjoyable, and you'll read more than you would if your goal was to understand absolutely every word. I like reading the news and I like fiction, so those are two things that I used to read to practice. Worked pretty well.

Do see if you can find a speaking buddy somewhere, though. Writing is the most difficult skill to acquire, followed by speaking, so it's always super helpful to have a way to practice active skills instead of only passive ones like reading.

IME, Spanish has been pretty useful in my work in vet med, and it's saved our butts more than once. I've had to translate for the doctors before, and in a few instances, it would've been very difficult for them to communicate effectively otherwise. Simple phrases, gestures, etc. can take you a long way, but sometimes you're stuck. I think it's a great idea to work on practicing in another language. Keep at it. 🙂 And if I ever get around to making my sheet of English/Spanish medical terminology, I'll send it to you. 😀

Uhh, send to me too please?? I know flea, tick, dog food, and that' s about it. All of which I learned in the Galapagos. I can occasionally understand bits and pieces of what clients say, but I'm no where near proficient enough to communicate back in Spanish. I can read some stuff for the bigger picture because I have 5 years of latin from high school and can figure out a lot of the words. I've totally made drug labels in Spanish for clients before (sometimes w/ the wrong conjugations but it got the message across).

I honestly wish I kept learning Spanish after I initially started in 3rd grade. I know a bunch of random stuff in a bunch of different languages and it's all pointless.
 
Out of curiosity, for those of you who are currently working in GP, do you come across clients who have English as a second language often? I suppose that depends on the area you are in, as well.
I live ina pretty homogeneous area, but we have a university and a lot of Chinese students. So even in my very small city of 31,000 speaking Mandarin would be reasonably helpful.
 
Out of curiosity, for those of you who are currently working in GP, do you come across clients who have English as a second language often? I suppose that depends on the area you are in, as well.

A lot more often than I thought, and the county I work in is very well known for being white and affluent. I have absolutely zero skills in Spanish - two of the doctors can manage and two of my techs are native/fluent speakers so I rely on them heavily to get my history and communicate my findings/recommendations/etc. I really wish I had some command of Spanish, but honestly, there is only so far conversational command of a language can get you. There is a lot of complexity to what I'm trying to ask, what they're trying to say, describing tests/outcomes/prognosis/recommendations/etc. that I think it's far more worth it to have a fluent speaker you can bring in with you and get those little details.
 
Out of curiosity, for those of you who are currently working in GP, do you come across clients who have English as a second language often? I suppose that depends on the area you are in, as well.
I'm in rural Kansas and have quite a few clients that either speak very broken English or no English. I know enough Spanish to struggle through a wellness appointment but often have to use their kids to translate. One of our kennel workers is bilingual and she translated for me 1 Saturday but she only works part time soI was lucky she was there. I can understand a lot more than I can speak.
 
I know most of the posts say not to study and I didn't intend to, but NCSU I thought recommended an online anatomy/physiology type course for people who hadn't taken anything like that before. I got the min pre-reqs for the application (came from a non-bio degree) and anatomy wasn't one of them. I understand its a rough course in vet school. Do you think I'd benefit from spending a little bit of time on the subject before I got there just glancing over it or taking an online course? Just curious since most will have taken some kind of anatomy course because of their major or pre-reqs for a different program. I never thought about learning another language. That's an interesting thought....
This is all assuming I get in this cycle...
 
I know most of the posts say not to study and I didn't intend to, but NCSU I thought recommended an online anatomy/physiology type course for people who hadn't taken anything like that before. I got the min pre-reqs for the application (came from a non-bio degree) and anatomy wasn't one of them. I understand its a rough course in vet school. Do you think I'd benefit from spending a little bit of time on the subject before I got there just glancing over it or taking an online course? Just curious since most will have taken some kind of anatomy course because of their major or pre-reqs for a different program. I never thought about learning another language. That's an interesting thought....
This is all assuming I get in this cycle...
I never took anatomy or physiology before vet school. I did fine. If a school doesn't require those prior to matriculation then they should assume their students know nothing about them.
 
I never took anatomy or physiology before vet school. I did fine. If a school doesn't require those prior to matriculation then they should assume their students know nothing about them.
Good .... because I don't want to spend anymore time studying than I have to. 😉
 
Good .... because I don't want to spend anymore time studying than I have to. 😉
That is honestly the best thing to do for everyone entering vet school...de-stress and relax. You have 4 long years to study and be on top of your game. I was told this by my friend who is a vet. However, learning to speak Spanish wouldn't be a waste of time. I speak Spanish as a second language and I found it fun to learn. We have had some clients that are of hispanic origin and it helped a lot!

Unfortunately, I do not have that option since my thesis is due by July and so is my defense :dead:. If you have the option to relax your mind, definitely take advantage of it!
 
Unfortunately, I do not have that option since my thesis is due by July and so is my defense :dead:. If you have the option to relax your mind, definitely take advantage of it!
Masters or PhD?
 
Masters or PhD?
Master's in Animal Science (Dairy Nutrition)
I did it for my love of teaching and I wanted to be able to consult in nutrition after vet school. 😉 I would honestly do it again too. The experiences you gain are worth the time and effort!
 
Master's in Animal Science (Dairy Nutrition)
I did it for my love of teaching and I wanted to be able to consult in nutrition after vet school. 😉 I would honestly do it again too. The experiences you gain are worth the time and effort!
I have an interest in nutrition but on the companion animal side of things. I am just getting started when it comes to animals though. I did a masters in Engineering. No thesis. Got about halfway through and realized I didn't want a job in what I was studying, so changed to non-thesis. I still had to defend using a paper I had published with my advisor and it was a headache! Not an easy task. Get it done early or you'll be burnt out before you start vet school! I hope you get a nice long mental break in there somewhere. Best of luck on your defense!
 
I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I'm starting vet school this year! With that said, I have time off since I graduated and while it's nice to focus on art and creative stuff, my science brain is a little bored.

I know some of you will just say enjoy your time off and don't do anything, but if you had time to learn some stuff and get a "head start" before vet school, what would you focus on?
Vet school's not a competition my friend, stop trying to get a leg up on everybody already.
 
Vet school's not a competition my friend, stop trying to get a leg up on everybody already.

I always like to assume the positive stance first, so I really hope that was a sly joke regarding the “leg up” part. If so, well done.

If you were serious, may I ask how you came to the conclusion that I started this thread out of a competitive desire to one-up future classmates sitting next to me? Could I not have started this thread because I have a lot of time off and thought I could study a bit to further my chances of success and prepare myself as much as possible?

Just saying…
 
I always like to assume the positive stance first, so I really hope that was a sly joke regarding the “leg up” part. If so, well done.

If you were serious, may I ask how you came to the conclusion that I started this thread out of a competitive desire to one-up future classmates sitting next to me? Could I not have started this thread because I have a lot of time off and thought I could study a bit to further my chances of success and prepare myself as much as possible?

Just saying…
Oh no I wasn't serious, I just didn't know how to fit a joke in. I apologize if my attempt at humor failed.
From previous posts I think it's pretty obvious that you're a hard worker and high achiever, and are looking for ways to most effectively utilize your time until school starts.
 
Vet school's not a competition my friend, stop trying to get a leg up on everybody already.
I'm going to interject and say that, depending on your future goals, vet school is still somewhat of a competition IMO. It may (or may not) be considerably less cutthroat than undergrad, but if you have your eyes set on a residency (particularly one in one of the more competitive areas), you will be 'competing' for grades, summer opportunities, lab opportunities with certain teachers, and other CV builders. I've felt this already as a first year. It's usually pretty subtle, but it's there.

If you don't have your eyes set on a competitive goal or any competitive summer jobs, I would agree that it isn't much a competition. Just a 4 year struggle. Applying for post-DVM jobs is competitive too, but that's to be expected.
 
Listening to the radio isn't going to magically make you bilingual, but it definitely helps! Especially if you find it interesting enough to keep doing. 🙂 You get to hear how people pronounce things and the specific words they choose in specific contexts. It may not seem like it's helping all that much, but it does improve your understanding. Same thing with music and movies. They're good ways to expand your vocabulary and get exposure to different accents and variations. It gives you more of a flavor for the actual living language. In all of my years of studying languages, before I switched careers, movies and music were my go-to methods for really delving into a language. I found that singing along to songs I liked really, really helped refine my pronunciation. It lets you do something repetitive without it seeming so boring, and even when we learn a song in our native language, we tend to imitate the singer, and that imitation helps you learn.

Reading can also be pretty useful, if you avoid some of the pitfalls. If you read to get a general idea of what's going on and then go back to look up a few words that seem really important to understanding, it'll be more enjoyable, and you'll read more than you would if your goal was to understand absolutely every word. I like reading the news and I like fiction, so those are two things that I used to read to practice. Worked pretty well.

Do see if you can find a speaking buddy somewhere, though. Writing is the most difficult skill to acquire, followed by speaking, so it's always super helpful to have a way to practice active skills instead of only passive ones like reading.

IME, Spanish has been pretty useful in my work in vet med, and it's saved our butts more than once. I've had to translate for the doctors before, and in a few instances, it would've been very difficult for them to communicate effectively otherwise. Simple phrases, gestures, etc. can take you a long way, but sometimes you're stuck. I think it's a great idea to work on practicing in another language. Keep at it. 🙂 And if I ever get around to making my sheet of English/Spanish medical terminology, I'll send it to you. 😀
It'S large animal... but this has helped me:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...lPQpQY8jF4crsfXvg&sig2=CjBLyGMZJO1Z0TOjKdb-rg

And this:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...jbecxzi23D6TpR6XA&sig2=K7LovnbHQ46f-xol_smIkg
 
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