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I just read this and it is the reason I tell family and friends interested in pre-med to go engineering (Chem E and Bio E usually):

Best Starting Undergrad Salaries:
1. Chemical Engineer $52,853
2. Computer Engineer $51,720
3. Electrical Engineer $49,946
4. Mechanical Engineer $48,441
5. Computer Sciences $47,419

one, two skip a few

Liberal Arts $30,157
Biology $29,554
Psychology $27,454

A LOT of premeds change thier minds while in undergrad. Why not have something to fall back on? BTW, I'm not picking on other majors. I just don't think enough pre-freshman and freshman premeds think about this.


Let's give it up for the techies! Nerd Pride :clap:

Now where's my pocket protector..........
 
Not to mention Bioengineering/Biomedical engineering has one of (if not the) highest acceptance rates into medical schools....

Doesn't seem to be helping me today though... Stupid Pritzker
 
Originally posted by thackl
I just read this and it is the reason I tell family and friends interested in pre-med to go engineering (Chem E and Bio E usually):

Best Starting Undergrad Salaries:
1. Chemical Engineer $52,853

If you go into the high-tech industry, you can start higher than this. Many people from my class went to work for Motorola, Hyundai, etc., and started at ~$80,000. Before med school I went to work for a large computer chip manufacturer and the promotion I got just prior to leaving would have put me just over six figures. If you're a pre-med with a creative mind and some abstract thinking skills, and would like a fall-back career in the (rather likely, statistically speaking) event that you decide medicine isn't for you, there are lots of interesting opportunities are there for chem/bio engineers.
 
Originally posted by sacrament
If you go into the high-tech industry, you can start higher than this.

That was me. I started out at Moto then went to 3M.
 
Originally posted by thackl
Let's give it up for the techies! Nerd Pride :clap:

Now where's my pocket protector..........


Or better yet, who can identify, operate, or might even own a slide rule??

I would ID the slide rule but have no idea of how to use it.

Engineering and beyond has always paid me nicely. I suffered in school vs. my biz buddies workload. Accounting is a good fall back degree, always pays good, but I don't recall of any BA Acctg as a SOM matriculant.
 
YAY for the Chemical Engineers!! #1!!! Whohooo!!

Chem Engineering (as are other majors) is definitely not a joke. Its much harder than I had anticipated, especially when you get to the upper divisions like Transport and Reactor Design, but @ the end its all worth it. I think the field itself is kind of boring, which is why I am applying to med schools 🙂 Its nice to know that if med school doesn't work out, or if your interest in medicine changes, there is always something to fall back on.

Go Engineers! hehe 🙂
 
Originally posted by thackl
I just read this and it is the reason I tell family and friends interested in pre-med to go engineering (Chem E and Bio E usually):

Best Starting Undergrad Salaries:
1. Chemical Engineer $52,853
2. Computer Engineer $51,720
3. Electrical Engineer $49,946
4. Mechanical Engineer $48,441
5. Computer Sciences $47,419


W00T Engineers!

ChemE also opens doors for high paying internships, without which there would be no way i could afford these ridiculous secondary app fees and interview costs.


😀 I can also build C4 explosives or make ecstasy/meth cocktails if this med school thing doesnt work out. Such useful skills.
 
Glad to see some other engineers on the board. My dad can use a slide rule..... he's a big time nerd.

Hey Loosey, I know about those internships. My school required 5 quarters of CO-OP's for graduation. It was nice to make some $$ between taking classes. Really opens up doors too.
 
Originally posted by looseygoosey


😀 I can also build C4 explosives or make ecstasy/meth cocktails if this med school thing doesnt work out. Such useful skills.

Hey, let me know if you decide to go into business.... I feel like I could contribute to the venture with my abilities as a biomedical engineer...
 
Originally posted by thackl
Nerd Pride :clap:
don't forget the civils! (even though we barely make anything the first year)
 
Civils seem to have the best job security, plus a lot of them make it to med school. The Dr. who delivered my first child was a civil eng. before going to med school😀
 
Originally posted by thackl
Civils seem to have the best job security, plus a lot of them make it to med school. The Dr. who delivered my first child was a civil eng. before going to med school😀

I don't know about that "job security" thing unless you mean working for the state or federal government. Privately employed Civil Engineers have their ups and downs. Heck, I went to medical school because, among other things, the cyclical nature of the engineering business drove me towards a career with a more steady salary.

But I agree with the OP about engineering. And from what I've seen, admissions officers at medical schools look very favorably at engineering majors and practicing engineers.

And, engineering is one of the few professions which is universally respected.

Panda Bear, PE Civil Engineering
 
Originally posted by Panda Bear
PE Civil Engineering

WOO HOO:clap: A professional engineer among us. That mean you were a practicing engineer for at least 5 years. How long is your PE stamp good for?

Go Nerds😀
 
Sure we do, but this is a post for engineers to brag about making the most $$ with just a BS degree :clap: Sad, I know...... if that info is even accurate.

Math majors are great 😍
 
Originally posted by thackl
WOO HOO:clap: A professional engineer among us. That mean you were a practicing engineer for at least 5 years. How long is your PE stamp good for?

Go Nerds😀

In my state, your professional registration has to be renewed every two years. This involves a $200 fee and completing a certain number of "professional development" credit hours.

In civil engineering, unlike say mechanical or electrical, professional registration is very important. In fact, I was not allowed, by law, to work for myself until I got registered. My medical school plans depended on my being able to have the flex-time to take classes. I worked for myself for the two years it took me to apply to medical school. (I am a third year)

Also, let me just say that engineering is one of the few college majors left that almost guarantees you a good job with only a Bachelor's degree. In other words, it is one of the few majors that has not been "dumbed down" or made trivial by grade inflation.
 
Do Civil engineers make good money? I am guessing they start out with 40-50k but what kind of potential do they have in 5 years or 10 years?
 
CE's are usually left out of the high paying high-tech market, but with a PE they can do well. The upside is better job security overall. As far as pay goes, they tend to be at the lower end of engineering but still very competitive when compared to other majors.
 
Originally posted by thackl
CE's are usually left out of the high paying high-tech market, but with a PE they can do well. The upside is better job security overall. As far as pay goes, they tend to be at the lower end of engineering but still very competitive when compared to other majors.

I think you are right about this. Here in Northern Louisiana, a Civil Engineer typically starts around $40K. Once you get your PE license you can expect to make in the low fifties.

You can probably expect a salary plateau in the low 70Ks, assuming anyone will want to employ you. If you work for yourself and if you have a good year you can easily gross 120K. If you are a consultant and work out of your home or a small inexpensive office you can keep most of this as "net."

When I started my engineering firm, my startup costs for computers, software, and various things were about $15,000. I had no permanent employees but hired freelance draftsmen, surveyors, and other consultants "as needed." The advantage of this is that you can bill their hours as your own but add a little mark-up plus you have no overhead and very little liability. The downside is you have no staff if you land a big project and you are limited in the type of work you can take.

But 40K is a good salary for our area. Just for comparrison, I had a 2400 square foot house for which I paid $120,000.

It also depends on your "sub-specialty" within Civil Engineering. I was a structural engineer so my pay was a little higher then, say, someone doing municiple road and drainage work.

Also, there are a lot of Civils employed by the state who make a low-end salary but get excellent benefits and retirement.
 
Originally posted by Panda Bear
Also, there are a lot of Civils employed by the state who make a low-end salary but get excellent benefits and retirement.

Yep, those would be the clock watchers/day counters. Ask a 25 yr old CE working for the state and they could tell you, down to the day,hour and minute, when they get to retire.
 
Hooray!! for the biomed engineers
we're the coolest
Im proud of my state funded tech school. I think were one of the best in the country.

Go Louisiana Tech Bulldogs :clap: :clap:
 
I'm also a graduate of Louisiana Tech. It might not be as fancy as Dartmouth but you can get a pretty good engineering or science education there. (At about 1/8 the cost, too.)

Plus we have two state medical schools here and a somewhat limited applicant pool. (LSU Shreveport and LSU New Orleans only accept residents of our beautiful but tropically hot state)

Plus, for some reason, it drives them yankees crazy when you tell them you're from Louisiana!
 
What about physics?!? Its by far the best, but engineering is still cool. In a few months I'll have my M.S. in mechanical/environmental engineering, so I'll be a physicist, biologist, and engineer. I don't think I'll get to work as an engineer, though, unless I do it before I start med school (hopefully in '05!). Is it possible to work for just a year to get some cash before school?
 
Ooooh, you guys have hit a sore spot! I wouldn't recommend the engineering field to anyone, and here's why (in my biased opinion):

1) I graduated with a BS in materials engineering in '92, during the trough of the most significant recession the US has recently had. Out of the 40 Matl. Engrs. in my class, only 2 found jobs by the time of graduation. I went to grad school and got an MS in the same field (and eventually a job), but I had friends who stuck it out and were happy to find jobs as technicians making $20k/yr. Engineering gets hit hard in a down economy, and I think we already know the bubble of the 90s is over.

2) I don't know what your ugrad experience was like, but mine was not exactly enjoyable. I needed something like 130 credit hours to graduate, and the first 2 years there was little choice of classes... you got to pick your humanities elective, but everything else was dictated by the core curriculum. The final 2 years you got to pick electives in your chosen major. There would have been no way for me to take any of the electives required for med school, for instance.

3) Salaries for engineers plateau quickly. Yeah, a BS in management doesnt get you much to start, but the management guys are the ones making the $$$ in the corporate world.

4) Unless you are lucky, don't expect to be inventing something that will change the world. More likely, a lot of your time will be spent on cost reduction projects, which really doesn't yield a lot of job satisfaction.

I would suggest getting a degree in something you want, rather than in something that you think will make you money.

And that's why I've been seriously thinking about bailing out and doing something in the health care field lately, and why I'm here in the first place.
 
Interesting post. Engineers do suffer just as nearly everyone else does during a recession. Nurses, Dr's, Police, etc would be the exceptions. It seems you need at least an MS an likely a PhD in materials to really do well. There are some subspecialties of engineering like this. I spent my first 2.5yrs in Aerospace E. and got out just because of this. The cieling in engineering is about double what you start at (without going to management). Not rich but pretty good.

You definitely need to pick the right specialy and make sure it is enjoyable. I love learning engineering, but the practice wasn't so great.
 
Yes I agree I don't recommend doing engineering unless it is something you want to do and felt that you were meant to do. I don't think you should look at it as something to fall back on in case you don't get into medical school. There are a lot of different types of personalities that can become doctors but the range of personalities in engineering are highly limited. Engineering is also a subculture that is difficult to fit into if you are not the "typical" nerd. So all in all, do what you like and get good at it. Do not do it for the money or prestige because in the end you will regret it. I am speaking from experience. As a former pre-health student, I am currently doing my back up plan working as an Mech Eng. I have a great job, a huge office, great benefits/salary, saved a lot but I am still not satisfied. I enjoy helping people more and making a difference in people's lives. Making profits in the corporate world was not what I had in mind when I was in school. Well it pays the bills for now but I am working on going back to school so I can apply and do what I have always really wanted to do - Help people using medical knowledge. Wish me good luck on my endeavor...
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I never realized there is other engineers going to medical school. I am a chemical engineer and thought I was alone. At least we have a unique major which may spark the ADCOMS interest.
 
Originally posted by thackl
Yep, those would be the clock watchers/day counters. Ask a 25 yr old CE working for the state and they could tell you, down to the day,hour and minute, when they get to retire.
After a year I was making $46K working for the Army Corps of Engineers as a civil designing levees. It was great while applying to med schools since I could work extra hours ahead of time to take leave for interviews, you get a TON of vacation (after 3 years you get 6hr annual and 4hrs sick every 2 weeks plus all the great federal holidays.) Great job while I was a student too.

The WORST part about majoring in engineering and then going to med school is the change in studying. You're no longer figuring stuff out when you study, you're just memorizing crap. I get so frustrated at times because it has nothing to do with how smart I am, but if I remember one little factoid. At least if I got something wrong on a test in engineering I knew they had out smarted me. Now I'll be sitting in a test and I'll know exactly where the info I need is in my notes, but I just can't remember it which just makes me pissy.

SeaworthC Civil Engineer EI 😛
 
wow you must take good notes. most of the time i'm pretty sure i've never seen those words in my life. 🙂
 
Go EE's!!!!!! I like EE and if for some reason I decided I don't like medicine in the 2 years left of undergrad, I can work as an engineer!! I don't know how to use a slide rule either though 🙁
 
Originally posted by Terje131
What about physics?!? Its by far the best, but engineering is still cool. In a few months I'll have my M.S. in mechanical/environmental engineering, so I'll be a physicist, biologist, and engineer. I don't think I'll get to work as an engineer, though, unless I do it before I start med school (hopefully in '05!). Is it possible to work for just a year to get some cash before school?

Yeah, it's entirely possible. Probably not a good idea to let the company know that's what you're doing though 🙂
 
Originally posted by Street Philosopher
wow you must take good notes. most of the time i'm pretty sure i've never seen those words in my life. 🙂
I don't take notes. Its called a SYLLABUS.
 
If I'm not mistaken engineering seems to be cyclical.
I currently go to an engineering/agriculture school(NCSU) and all I've heard from all the engineers is that it's not a good time to be one. A few years back an engineer could look forward to a cushy job out of school but now to get one of those jobs you have to be willing to get up and move across the country.

That being said, I'm sure the pendulum will swing the other way again.

BTW, I'm not into engineering, but the Biomed engineers get to do all the fun stuff. The lastest project I know of is getting to make a treadmill for autistic children.

Take care.
 
Originally posted by Jonkst
Not to mention Bioengineering/Biomedical engineering has one of (if not the) highest acceptance rates into medical schools....

I'm sure Pritzker'll come around


Aside from that, this is the best news I've heard all day, but I was thinking my back-up would be to go into nano-technology.
 
Originally posted by OrthoFixation
Or better yet, who can identify, operate, or might even own a slide rule??

I would ID the slide rule but have no idea of how to use it.

Engineering and beyond has always paid me nicely. I suffered in school vs. my biz buddies workload. Accounting is a good fall back degree, always pays good, but I don't recall of any BA Acctg as a SOM matriculant.

My dad bought me one as a high school graduation present, & spent that whole summer "quizzing" me. I didn't even take my first engineering class til I was a sophomore, and now I'm a junior, & have yet to use it.
 
Industrial engineers rock!

Several reasons:

1) We can do all sorts of cool math (that you can actually apply)
2) We can get jobs in both high tech and low tech
3) How many industrial engineers do you know?
4) How many Industrial engineers do you know in med school? (It's pretty easy to find ChemE's, EE's, and BioE's.....BioE's are a dime a dozen in my class)
5) If you want to rise quickly, IE is the way to go!

Oh, and my last plug, Georgia Tech RULES! Best bang for the buck when it comes to an engineering education!
 
Originally posted by SunnyS81
Industrial engineers rock!

Several reasons:

1) We can do all sorts of cool math (that you can actually apply)
2) We can get jobs in both high tech and low tech
3) How many industrial engineers do you know?
4) How many Industrial engineers do you know in med school? (It's pretty easy to find ChemE's, EE's, and BioE's.....BioE's are a dime a dozen in my class)
5) If you want to rise quickly, IE is the way to go!

Oh, and my last plug, Georgia Tech RULES! Best bang for the buck when it comes to an engineering education!

TRUE THAT!!
BTW, I am also a yellow jacket applying to med schools.

EE baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I would have to throw in my 2 cents that the best bang for the buck would be the U of I engineering.

GO Materials science engineering!! Without materials, there isn't engineering.

Anybody have any crafty ways to answer the question "so why engineering? How can you apply it to medicine?" Get alot of those at interviews.

One more question. Do you feel that ADcoms take into consideration that engineers tend to have lower GPA's when compared to say a psychology major? Or do they not care.

Goodluck to all the enginerds out there.
 
Throughout highschool I kind of assumed that I would major in computer science and be a programmer, but didnt happen since i majored in bio.
 
Originally posted by Jonkst
Not to mention Bioengineering/Biomedical engineering has one of (if not the) highest acceptance rates into medical schools....

Worked for me. 🙂 (Phew!)
 
Originally posted by seaworthc
The WORST part about majoring in engineering and then going to med school is the change in studying. You're no longer figuring stuff out when you study, you're just memorizing crap. I get so frustrated at times because it has nothing to do with how smart I am, but if I remember one little factoid. At least if I got something wrong on a test in engineering I knew they had out smarted me. Now I'll be sitting in a test and I'll know exactly where the info I need is in my notes, but I just can't remember it which just makes me pissy.

Totally agree. I did biomed engineering and system engineering in college, and studying for exams at the time wasn't too hard. I just needed to make sure I figured out and understood everything that we would be tested on. I have always been good at that. Memorization and regurgitation were minimal. Med school is a totally different story. Materials are very easy to understand. However, they expect you to memorize the most insignificant little details and spit them back out on tests. So I always know what they're asking about and understand why they're asking certain questions and what not on the test. I just can't remember the one minute detail that they're looking for as the answer. That frustrates me.
 
Originally posted by autobot


One more question. Do you feel that ADcoms take into consideration that engineers tend to have lower GPA's when compared to say a psychology major? Or do they not care.

They don't give a rip...their attitudes (generally, for what is it worth... many med school profs/pre-med advisors told me) are, "why did you pick a major if you can't do well in it?" And honestly, most people I have talked to don't give a rip about majoring in engineering either. Honestly, I hate engineering with a passion and am glad I am picking up a bio degree too. I think I would shoot myself if I had to be an engineer for the rest of my life (GO MEDICINE!).

Just in general...I hear a lot of engineers/phsyics/whatever hard science (non chem or bio) complain about having to memorize in med school. Anyone who is as intelligent as engineers like to think they are should have no problem memorizing some measly facts. Memorization is lower on the intellectual food chain then problem solving, right? So anyone who is great at problem solving should be AWESOME at memorizing seeing that they have progressed up the ladder. Memory IS part of intelligence. It would be like a pro baseball player complaining that tee-ball is hard for them. If they are good enough to actually be a pro baseball player then teeball should be cake and you would never hear them complain....

If people think that memorizing some medical knowledge for two years so they can start applying it to clinical situations for the rest of their life is too much underneath them, then go and take an engineering job (if you can find one) and spend the rest of your life in a cubicle figuring out how to save $.02 for every transmission your company makes or doing quality control on the floor. All this while knowing you will never have the opportunity to really move up in the company (most engineers never really leave the position they start in) unless you are a good people person (which most engineers are not, and if they are they could have majored in management and had the same management jobs afforded them by the engineering degree without all the hassle) and can get into management.

This isn't directed toward anyone in general, I just get tired of the general engineering mentality. I can't get away from it at my school/in-class, so it irks me when it pops up on SDN every-so-often (not just this thread...this one is actually not NEARLY as annoying as most... I am just in a feisty mood this morning). If you like engineering and are good at it, great. Just don't pick up the "engineering attitude". I have some friends and relatives (father included) who love engineering and aren't buttholes about it.

Kind of funny though, I hate the engineering mentality, so what do I do? I go into a field that is just as bad (sometimes worse) in its overall attitude and over inflated egos.

I can't wait until I can start to become a "human mechanic" next year (hopefully...).
 
Memorization is lower on the intellectual food chain then problem solving, right? So anyone who is great at problem solving should be AWESOME at memorizing seeing that they have progressed up the ladder. Memory IS part of intelligence. It would be like a pro baseball player complaining that tee-ball is hard for them. If they are good enough to actually be a pro baseball player then teeball should be cake and you would never hear them complain....

Just doesnt work like that.
They are not simply different rungs on a common ladder.

More like.....your really good at gymnastics, you quite an athlete...lets bowl!
Or your very academicaly talented, you graduated with a 3.8, now go make a 38 on the MCAT.

I dont think memorization has to much TOO do with intelegence and everything to do with motivation and time. Some people who are quite smart may see symetries and trends which lend themselves to quicker organization and memorization. But that is not always possible in the world of biochem and anatomy.
 
engineering rocks...every interview i've been to they've mentioned how being an engineer basically carries over especially to physiology...and the whole project management and working as a team aspect is really good experience too...working at Boeing definitely paid me well and paid for all my classes after college too =)
 
I can vouch that the best money is made in high tech. The starting salaries are higher, and more importantly, the pay raises are huge. 15-30% increases are not uncommon. However, the high salaries are causing a backlash from companies because many are actively looking into outsourcing the jobs overseas. High tech is not the only field in the cross hairs. Anything not nailed down is being outsourced. Accounting, engineering, computer work, even some medical specialties. I've been hearing that radiology is increasingly being outsourced. A Radiologist here makes 300K but one in India makes only 70K. So, pick your specialty wisely children.
 
Originally posted by autobot
One more question. Do you feel that ADcoms take into consideration that engineers tend to have lower GPA's when compared to say a psychology major? Or do they not care.

I've heard of both. Some schools will give you an add'er for being in a tough program from a tough school (I've heard as much as 0.30 to your GPA). Others will just run the #'s first (computer centifuge) then analyze later, in which case you could get the ax before they ever figure out you were in the toughest engineering program in the country.
 
Originally posted by JKDMed
What type of career would work in producing weapons or theoretical weapons reasearch? Physicist?

I would say that both production and research of weapons could fit just about any engineering field. I worked for Texas Instruments and did research and design work on a back pack anti-tank weapon system. The whole thing weighed 35# and keyed off the heat signatures and tank geometry to blast the turret/body interface. That's the achilles heal of a tank btw. I could tell you more, but then I would have to kill you.

We employed ME, EE, IE to support this project. My work was in cryogenic cooling of the computer chip that drove the weapon logic. Thermal analysis and component design mostly. We had lots of kool lab equipment, toys, and witnessed some live fire testing.

I suspect that EE's have become a bigger part of the weapons field in the last 20 years with the digital age.

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Thackl,
What was TTU's position on engr GPA? Did they add any points?
 
This is why engineering is bad ass. Cool projects that blow $hit up. How many Biology majors get to blow up tanks? I'm a Biomedical engineer and would never in a million years major in management or some other joke of a major.

From engineers I've talked to that are currently in medical school, almost every adcom will look favorably upon your major during interviews. You get asked why you would turn down a starting salary of 40-60k a year to go to medical school. You also stand out compared to the thousands of bio majors applying.

Hooray for Enginerds,

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