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And I live in a no-fire zone. Well, sort of. The local ordinance says this "the foregoing prohibition on the discharge of firearms shall not apply ... to any person in protection of his property from destruction by animals." The problem is lawn grubs have infested my 3 acres of lawn, and the crows go digging for them. I will Grub-Ex the hell out of the property later this season, but that won't solve my current problem. Only removal of the crows will do that. If you haven't seen what crows can do to sod while looking for grubs, it's impressive. Your whole lawn can look like it was carpet bombed in no time.

I bought a Gamo Whisper 177 cal pellet gun, and while it's pretty accurate at 20-30 yards, By 40 yards I'm shooting 5 inch groups. I've tried various methods of steadying the gun, and none make a big difference, including the artillery hold. I need accuracy (and power) out to 50 yards to kill these things. A scoped 22 cal would seem to fit the bill, but I need it to be quiet so as not to attract too much attention. I can fire it from a upper floor window to suppress the noise a bit, and this gives me a great vantage point. Down range I have a large stream that leads to a river, so I can see very well that there are no houses or people in the way

To keep this relevant to anesthesiology, I thought of a few ideas for chemical assist. I could soak some bread in 1) propofol, 2) sux, or 3) ketamine to either kill or at least knock down the birds for the kill shot. I'm not sure how fast any of these would work PO in a crow. I can't really use rat poison due to concern for other animals, like, oh.. a bald eagle that frequents my area. I'm not sure if I could get into legal trouble for rxing myself some ketamine powder for "vetranary" use.

Ideas? Suggestions on a rifle/pistol?

And does anyone know how to turn off this damned spell checker??
 
pgg said:
If your state allows suppressors, a .22 can is just what you need. I suggest this one. Of course, you'll have to wait 7+ months for it.
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A buddy told me there's a local guy who makes suppressors and would sell me one for $1800 (including the 22 rifle and scope). Does that sound remotely reasonable, because it sounds crazy to me. He did say it suppresses down to a very minor thud. Does it take 7 months to get the permit?
 
The wait time on form 4s is over four months. The ATF hired more examiners but they have been outpaced by the massive increase in applications since Sandy Hook.
 
If the crows are relatively infinite, I'd be surprised if shooting a few at a time will have any noticeable impact on the infestation. I like the idea of succ-ing them, though.
 
powermd said:
A buddy told me there's a local guy who makes suppressors and would sell me one for $1800 (including the 22 rifle and scope). Does that sound remotely reasonable, because it sounds crazy to me. He did say it suppresses down to a very minor thud. Does it take 7 months to get the permit?
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Depends on the rifle, but that sounds obscene on the surface.

Lots of very nice, accurate .22 bolt or semi-auto guns are out there and cost less than $500. CZ, Savage, Ruger. Street price of the SilencerCo Sparrow is about $350-400 and it's widely regarded as one of the best .22 suppressors made. Add $200 for the ATF tax. Lots of choices for scopes, but $250 is more than enough for an excellent rimfire scope.

A suppressed 22 rifle will be quieter than your air gun. With subsonic ammunition, a bolt 22 will be absolutely silent.

Current Form 4 wait times are easily 7+ months still. They used to be 3-4 months. I have a couple of stamps still pending in the 5-6 month range. Note that 7+ month is the wait AFTER the suppressor is at your local dealer. If you or they order it from elsewhere, there will be another ~2 month wait for the dealer-to-dealer Form 3 transfer.


It's also still very much a seller's market right now. The latest gun-buying panic is slowing but not quite over. Finding something in stock for close to MSRP might not be easy.


You could easily spend $1000+ on a custom .22 or something uncommon and out of production. But you don't need that to shoot vermin in your yard. (Which is likely to be more transiently satisfying than permanently effective, anyway.)
 
I heard a story a few years back about a guy that was trying to do the same thing in a suburban area and used a rifle. The story is that he shot and killed a young boy who was ~ a quarter mile away. I don't know the details and I know very little about guns, but that news story was very sobering.
 
"Adopt" a cat as an outdoor pet.

He will learn to survive in the situation, which means you don't spend money on food and the birds are thinned out.

It's like having National Geographic in your backyard!
 
Gern Blansten said:
I heard a story a few years back about a guy that was trying to do the same thing in a suburban area and used a rifle. The story is that he shot and killed a young boy who was ~ a quarter mile away. I don't know the details and I know very little about guns, but that news story was very sobering.
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Yeah, unsafe is unsafe. I read a story about some guy who was shooting at tree stumps in his back yard with a .308 rifle and killed a neighbor in his kitchen a very long distance away. No substitute for shooting in a safe direction with a safe backstop.

But if the law allows it and your property layout makes it safe ... I wish I could take on the massive flock of pigeons that thinks my hot tub spillway is a bird bath. Flying rats. 😡
 
powermd said:
I've tried various methods of steadying the gun, and none make a big difference, including the artillery hold. I need accuracy (and power) out to 50 yards to kill these things. A scoped 22 cal would seem to fit the bill, but I need it to be quiet so as not to attract too much attention.
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Try steadying with sandbags.

There is no way you are going to get a suppressor approved by the ATF before winter. Plus, given your no discharge ordinance, I suspect you are going end up with an expensive time proving that you were protecting your property. That verbiage is supposed to cover farms, although technically your lawn would likely be covered.

Getting rid of the grubs is the real key. The other thing you can try is a laser for harassment. A really high power model can actually burn at that range.

pgg said:
I have a couple of stamps still pending in the 5-6 month range. Note that 7+ month is the wait AFTER the suppressor is at your local dealer.
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Forget the crows what are you pending now?
 
BADMD said:
Forget the crows what are you pending now?
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Still waiting on the 338 LM suppressor from way back. I think that Form 4 went to the ATF in October. Might even have been in September, since I bought the rifle in October. Maybe I should call about that one since it's coming up on 7 months now.

Have a SureFire 556-212 pending since January. We had been using the .308 can on the .223 rifles, which works, but wanted to try one a bit more compact with maybe better sound suppression. With the SOCOM line coming out, I thought I should seize the moment and round out the collection of their legacy cans before they quit making them, since all of our rifles have the legacy mounts.

We got the stamp back for the SureFire 5.56 Mini in Feb. That one took a looooong time. It was on backorder for months from SF, then the Form 3, then the Form 4. Total of a year, maybe.

Form 4 for a Tirant 9S went out in Feb. Guess that's only been a couple months. My brother / co-trustee did the legwork for that one, since I'm away from home for a while. (He also put two Form 1s for SBRs in the mail a couple weeks ago.) I already have a fullsize Tirant 9 and it's awesome, but it's almost silly-huge on smaller pistols. The 9S will fit my wife's P239 better, and hopefully still suppress at least the 147gr subs well enough.

So that'll round out my corner of the Trust's herd to
- SilencerCo Sparrow (22 rimfire)
- SF 556 Mini (compact .223)
- SF 556-212 (fullsize .223)
- SF 762K (fullsize .308)
- SF 338SS (fullsize .338)
- SilencerCo Osprey 45
- AAC Tirant 9S (compact 9mm)
- AAC Tirant 9 (fullsize 9mm)
Other family trustees have their stuff too.

I actually think I'm done buying NFA stuff for a while. The above covers just about every caliber, either directly or with adapters for subcalibers. Between the suppressors and SBRs there's not much else I want. I can't make myself fork over the money for a registered receiver, I just can't ... The prices are ridiculous.

Definitely a patient man's game. Looking on the bright side, the fact that I won't be home until August takes the sting out of the wait. The one I'm looking forward to most is the 338 can for my TRG-42. The brake makes it an angry loud gun, and it could use some taming.
 
Please abide my ignorance, but why do law-abiding folks want silencers for their weapons? BTW, I like the cat idea.
 
imfrankie said:
Please abide my ignorance, but why do law-abiding folks want silencers for their weapons? BTW, I like the cat idea.
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Basic principle of industrial design: You have a piece of equipment that can injury someone who is using it properly. Do you a) modify the equipment so that it won't hurt the user or b) make the user use a piece of safety equipment, that must be used properly and must be functioning properly, in order to prevent injury? The answer is obviously the former and OSHA actually forces business to take steps to mitigate risk before they can require safety equipment. Only when it comes to guns do we make risk mitigation hard (and if you work in an industry that uses fixed shotguns, such as for a kiln, they are sold with integrated suppressors, standard).

A single gun shot has the potential to deafen the shooter. Ear muff will get the noise just below the level of injury. Foam ear plugs do a better job, but are more difficult to use properly and lose effectiveness when place improperly. Other types of plugs are easier to use, but not as effective. Even with a combo of muff and plugs, shooting is load and the noise jarring. Instead, with a bit metal at the end of the gun, the noise level can be dropped to hearing safe levels. (It is still pretty loud and most people will still use some sort of hearing protection when using a suppressed gun).

Gunshots also carry a long distance and can be disturbing to the neighbors. Ranges that are anywhere near civilization make good neighbors when they take steps to mitigate the noise from the range. In the UK, it is practically expected that weapons will be moderated (they actually have some pretty nifty shotgun suppressors in the UK).

Unfortunately, most Americans have gotten their gun education from movies and video games. Suppressors are not in the realm of assassins and "Special ops." Sound Suppressors are great for shooting with new shooters, young people and when shooting with a group recreationally. Not only do they tame the "shock" of the gun shot, but they can help with recoil. Quite frankly, once shooters start using suppressors, they never want to shoot without.
 
Get the highest power air rifle you can find? I like the cat and laser ideas. Overwatering -> grubs?
 
I am serious about the RWS. My little brother killed a raccoon with his. You can get some cheap air rifle rings and a scope (cheap, bushnell banner or equivalent) and you will be lethal if you can shoot.
 
BADMD said:
Basic principle of industrial design: You have a piece of equipment that can injury someone who is using it properly. Do you a) modify the equipment so that it won't hurt the user or b) make the user use a piece of safety equipment, that must be used properly and must be functioning properly, in order to prevent injury? The answer is obviously the former and OSHA actually forces business to take steps to mitigate risk before they can require safety equipment. Only when it comes to guns do we make risk mitigation hard (and if you work in an industry that uses fixed shotguns, such as for a kiln, they are sold with integrated suppressors, standard).

A single gun shot has the potential to deafen the shooter. Ear muff will get the noise just below the level of injury. Foam ear plugs do a better job, but are more difficult to use properly and lose effectiveness when place improperly. Other types of plugs are easier to use, but not as effective. Even with a combo of muff and plugs, shooting is load and the noise jarring. Instead, with a bit metal at the end of the gun, the noise level can be dropped to hearing safe levels. (It is still pretty loud and most people will still use some sort of hearing protection when using a suppressed gun).

Gunshots also carry a long distance and can be disturbing to the neighbors. Ranges that are anywhere near civilization make good neighbors when they take steps to mitigate the noise from the range. In the UK, it is practically expected that weapons will be moderated (they actually have some pretty nifty shotgun suppressors in the UK).

Unfortunately, most Americans have gotten their gun education from movies and video games. Suppressors are not in the realm of assassins and "Special ops." Sound Suppressors are great for shooting with new shooters, young people and when shooting with a group recreationally. Not only do they tame the "shock" of the gun shot, but they can help with recoil. Quite frankly, once shooters start using suppressors, they never want to shoot without.
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Interesting. Makes sense: I was in the field artillery and can't hear a word you're saying.
 
pgg said:
Still waiting on the 338 LM suppressor from way back...The one I'm looking forward to most is the 338 can for my TRG-42. The brake makes it an angry loud gun, and it could use some taming.
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I assumed you had that one already. The waits are a killer. At least in this climate, you can still find powder for the LM.

I'm 6 weeks into a Form 4 for a M4-2000, so I'm just trying to forget about it.
 
powermd said:
And I live in a no-fire zone. Well, sort of. The local ordinance says this "the foregoing prohibition on the discharge of firearms shall not apply ... to any person in protection of his property from destruction by animals." The problem is lawn grubs have infested my 3 acres of lawn, and the crows go digging for them. I will Grub-Ex the hell out of the property later this season, but that won't solve my current problem. Only removal of the crows will do that. If you haven't seen what crows can do to sod while looking for grubs, it's impressive. Your whole lawn can look like it was carpet bombed in no time.

I bought a Gamo Whisper 177 cal pellet gun, and while it's pretty accurate at 20-30 yards, By 40 yards I'm shooting 5 inch groups. I've tried various methods of steadying the gun, and none make a big difference, including the artillery hold. I need accuracy (and power) out to 50 yards to kill these things. A scoped 22 cal would seem to fit the bill, but I need it to be quiet so as not to attract too much attention. I can fire it from a upper floor window to suppress the noise a bit, and this gives me a great vantage point. Down range I have a large stream that leads to a river, so I can see very well that there are no houses or people in the way

To keep this relevant to anesthesiology, I thought of a few ideas for chemical assist. I could soak some bread in 1) propofol, 2) sux, or 3) ketamine to either kill or at least knock down the birds for the kill shot. I'm not sure how fast any of these would work PO in a crow. I can't really use rat poison due to concern for other animals, like, oh.. a bald eagle that frequents my area. I'm not sure if I could get into legal trouble for rxing myself some ketamine powder for "vetranary" use.

Ideas? Suggestions on a rifle/pistol?

And does anyone know how to turn off this damned spell checker??
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Dude I almost

SPIT OUT A SIP OF CAYMUS CABERNET READING THIS!!!

EPIC POST MAN.👍👍

Btw I know BOW HUNTERS use succinylcholine on their arrow tips when available for Deer Season...need to figure out how to put it on a pellet for your pellet gun...
 
Okay, so I almost bought a Ruger 10/22 takedown today, but the scope mount threads were off, and it was their last one in stock. I stopped by a few other places, and couldn't find an acceptable substitute. Moreover, no one seems to have the quiet subsonic ammo I need to minimize noise to an acceptable level.

So I ordered a Beeman R9 and scope in 22 cal. From what I see on Youtube, a high quality pellet gun has no problem taking down crows from a good distance.

http://www.amazon.com/Beeman-Elite-...=1368660509&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=beeman+r9

This should give me a good balance of safety, low noise, and effectiveness for the task.

ALLEGEDLY, there was a guy right in my area who found an old expired 50 mL bottle of propofol and emptied it into a dinner roll and set it out for a bunch of crows this morning. Nothing exciting happened. They ate the bread and flew off, only to return later for seconds.
 
jetproppilot said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Dude I almost

SPIT OUT A SIP OF CAYMUS CABERNET READING THIS!!!

EPIC POST MAN.👍👍

Btw I know BOW HUNTERS use succinylcholine on their arrow tips when available for Deer Season...need to figure out how to put it on a pellet for your pellet gun...
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While I've never seen it used, it sounds quite effective based on this article from the 70's. I wonder if it's still legal to hunt with sux.


http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.23...&uid=2&uid=4&uid=83&uid=63&sid=21102289519657
 
imfrankie said:
Please abide my ignorance, but why do law-abiding folks want silencers for their weapons? BTW, I like the cat idea.
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A few reasons, mainly -

As a courtesy to other people. Mufflers on cars are required by law. We have noise pollution and noise nuisance laws. Keeping shooting noise down is good. Many states allow suppressors for hunters and it's encouraged for general outdoorsy politeness. Lots of civilized places not in the US, from Europe to New Zealand, don't even regulate suppressors, and you can just buy them over the counter, because they are correctly viewed as mufflers.

They reduce felt recoil and make guns more pleasant to shoot, especially for kids and smaller people.

But mostly, I like them because guns are loud and they hurt my ears. An unsuppressed rifle shot is around 170 dB give or take. That's loud enough to cause instant, permanent damage to unprotected ears. Regular earplugs or muffs are usually rated at 28-33 dB reduction, but in practice the reduction is probably only in the mid 20s. Only with quality custom plugs can you really approach 33 dB reduction. So even with hearing protection you're exposed to something around 150 dB. OSHA has some things to say about the subject ... above about 140 dB exposure is not regarded as hearing safe.

Centerfire rifle "silencers" don't really silence anything. They cut about 30 dB off the noise. A silenced rifle is still loud ... just not damagingly loud. Add in ear plugs or muffs of most any any gun is well within a hearing safe range.

My wife already has hearing loss and needs hearing aids. Use of a suppressor + ordinary hearing protection very safely preserves what she has. I always double up with ear plugs and muffs because I want to keep the hearing I have. When my kids shoot the .22s I don't want their hearing to be at any risk at all.


With special low velocity ammunition (mostly the domain of some handguns and 22s) a suppressor can actually silence the gun. For the most part though, the Hollywood portrayal of suppressors as effective "silencers" and tool of criminals and assassins is just fantasy.

Interesting historic footnote - the main reason they were regulated in the first place by the 1934 National Firearms Act was because poor people were using them to poach meals during the Depression.
 
powermd said:
ALLEGEDLY, there was a guy right in my area who found an old expired 50 mL bottle of propofol and emptied it into a dinner roll and set it out for a bunch of crows this morning. Nothing exciting happened. They ate the bread and flew off, only to return later for seconds.
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I wonder what kind of 1st pass metabolism you'd get from drinking propofol.

I don't know much about veterinary anesthesia, but I do know that MAC in animals is very different than people. When we do procedures for military working dogs, we start the propofol at 350 mcg/kg/min, and they drink fentanyl like they're alcoholic junkies. I don't know anything about bird physiology though.
 
BADMD said:
I assumed you had that one already. The waits are a killer. At least in this climate, you can still find powder for the LM.

I'm 6 weeks into a Form 4 for a M4-2000, so I'm just trying to forget about it.
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Funny you should mention it, I've been watching for Retumbo online for months and just found some in stock at Powder Valley a few days ago. I was starting to think I'd have to start load workup over with some H1000.

The waits are painful that's for sure. By the time the stamps come back it's a pleasant surprise.
 
powermd said:
Moreover, no one seems to have the quiet subsonic ammo I need to minimize noise to an acceptable level.
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I've had 2K of 22 subsonic on order since July...


ALLEGEDLY, there was a guy right in my area who found an old expired 50 mL bottle of propofol and emptied it into a dinner roll and set it out for a bunch of crows this morning. Nothing exciting happened. They ate the bread and flew off, only to return later for seconds.
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I bet they would like vodka. But only the really good stuff, since crows are discriminating.
 
pgg said:
Funny you should mention it, I've been watching for Retumbo online for months and just found some in stock at Powder Valley a few days ago. I was starting to think I'd have to start load workup over with some H1000.
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Last I was there, my LGS only had 1 pound of Retumbo and 2 of RE22. I'd probably throw a party if I found some AR Comp somewhere. I have 1 pound of 2520 and will have to start using that.
 
Interesting post pg, thanks. Wondered why they'd be regulated--makes good sense to have them for sport shooting.

I am most interested in this sux on arrows for bow-hunting idea. Shoulda had a V-8. My buddy is an avid bow hunter and would be interested to learn more about the possibility of using this. I expect a little of the ole sux powder and down you go. Maybe even a more humane way, but I speculate naively.
 
The problem with the Sux bowhunting thing would be obtaining the necessary concentration. How much Sux does it take to paralyze an elk? How would you get that amount on the tip of an arrow, and how would you ensure it is absorbed correctly? How do you finish off the animal after you have paralyzed it (admittedly the least difficult part of the problem).

I will stick with my broadheads. Reliably lethal. I used to pop squirrels out of trees with my 70 pound Bowtech. Crows at 50 plus yards would be a blast, but you would definitely lose a few arrows.

-pod
 
periopdoc said:
The problem with the Sux bowhunting thing would be obtaining the necessary concentration. How much Sux does it take to paralyze an elk? How would you get that amount on the tip of an arrow, and how would you ensure it is absorbed correctly? How do you finish off the animal after you have paralyzed it (admittedly the least difficult part of the problem).

I will stick with my broadheads. Reliably lethal. I used to pop squirrels out of trees with my 70 pound Bowtech. Crows at 50 plus yards would be a blast, but you would definitely lose a few arrows.

-pod
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Peri,

It apparently works man. Back in my residency days (1992-1996) I frequented the same barbershop where I lived on the West Bank of New Orleans called Al Overson's or something close to that.

My barber's name was Hulon Matherne. I had the privilege of getting to know Hulon pretty well over those years...he started about every third sentence with "First thing you know,...":laugh:

Hulon was an expert woodsman like alotta dudes here in Louisiana. You could drop him off in the middle of nowhere with no food and no water and I swear he'd eventually emerge alive months later.

Back then,

SUCCINYLCHOLINE CAME BOTH IN DILUENT AND POWDER FORM.

(There's an old anesthetic technique which used a succinylcholine INFUSION more commonly called a sux-drip for paralysis during a case...the clinician would mix the powder into an IV bag...)

I'd order the powder succinylcholine and give it to Hulon. He would lay newspapers out on the floor and don a pair of gloves. He used small balloons and somehow cut the upper third of a small balloon, laid it on the newspaper and using gloved hands sprinkled a buncha succinylcholine powder into the rubbery nest and somehow sealed it. He then attached it right behind the arrow tip of his arrows.

He swore by this technique. I'm not a hunter but from what I understood it's rare to drop a deer in it's tracks after a bow shot. They usually run a while and you haffta follow the blood trail. Hulon said the deers shot with succinylcholine-instilled arrows didn't run far.

PROBLEM IS, CURRENT DAY I don't even know if they manufacture the powder form of sux anymore.

Anyway, SOME COOL ANESTHESIA HISTORY and a COOL HUNTING TECHNIQUE.
 
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Wait a minute....isn't there something about you are not supposed to throw rice to birds? :meanie:

Or you could try fighting bird with bird...get a inflatable owl. We had a grackle problem, they wanted to use our porch just like we did, (except they made a mess, were way louder than even our drunk friends, would steal the dog food, and actually attack the dog when he wasn't looking). We got an inflatable owl, put him on a corner post, and that stopped them.
 
An aside, Jet...

Sux tipped arrows may be illegal now. Don't know. I am by no means a hunter.

I only bring this up from a story one of my old school attendings brought up in residency.

Our attending gives us a what would you do scenario from a real world experience. Apparently our attending, who is a hunter, had to take care of a dude who was bow hunting with his buddies. Unfortunately, this dude became the accidental game. The dude comes to the ED impaled by an arrow through the torso. Alive and talking. I can't recall if it was completely through torso or if was going chest to back, or back to chest. I know there was significant arrow exposed through the patient's back, as attending said dude was in the ED on his side and you could see arrow in the back. Our attending also mentioned the fact that in the past there were sux tip arrows, but I think he said there are laws against that now.

Anyway our attending posed the question of how would you position this patient for induction of anesthesia if he has more than a foot of arrow coming out of his back??
--Induction in lateral position??
--Fiberoptic in lateral position??

What they did was pretty cool. Genius really.

They got 2 OR tables and placed them side by side with a small gap in between them. The patient then just lay supine on the beds with the arrow going through the gap.

Sorry I don't remember the exact details of my attendings story, like if pt was going for thoracotomy. The point I took home was the 2 OR bed trick if pt has an impaling object coming out his back.
 
excalibur said:
an aside, jet...

Sux tipped arrows may be illegal now. Don't know. I am by no means a hunter.

I only bring this up from a story one of my old school attendings brought up in residency.

Our attending gives us a what would you do scenario from a real world experience. Apparently our attending, who is a hunter, had to take care of a dude who was bow hunting with his buddies. Unfortunately, this dude became the accidental game. The dude comes to the ed impaled by an arrow through the torso. Alive and talking. I can't recall if it was completely through torso or if was going chest to back, or back to chest. I know there was significant arrow exposed through the patient's back, as attending said dude was in the ed on his side and you could see arrow in the back. Our attending also mentioned the fact that in the past there were sux tip arrows, but i think he said there are laws against that now.

Anyway our attending posed the question of how would you position this patient for induction of anesthesia if he has more than a foot of arrow coming out of his back??
--induction in lateral position??
--fiberoptic in lateral position??

What they did was pretty cool. Genius really.

They got 2 or tables and placed them side by side with a small gap in between them. The patient then just lay supine on the beds with the arrow going through the gap.

Sorry i don't remember the exact details of my attendings story, like if pt was going for thoracotomy. The point i took home was the 2 or bed trick if pt has an impaling object coming out his back.
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awesome man.
 
This thread is

THE MOST ENTERTAINING, HILARIOUS, INFORMATIVE, CAPTIVATING

non-anesthesia related thread on SDN right now.

POWERMD VERSES PROPERTY RUINING BIRDS

GUNS, SILENCERS, SCOPES, SNIPERS, OTHER OPTIONAL TACTICS

Epic s h it man.

I envision PowerMD on the second floor of his home in a bedroom facing the back yard with the window open wearing camouflage and black high laced boots sporting a super power pellet gun with an eight hundred dollar scope and succinylcholine instilled pellets loaded. Gun is on a tripod. Power has built up a base behind the window so both he and the tripod of the gun can lay on it, providing a clear and very stable shot at the back yard. Several crows circle and eventually land at the distant point of his property line sixty yards from his vantage point. They commence digging up his fine grass contour. The four-crow team is oblivious to the laser scope teeming upon them. Power selects the far left crow first. Right eye closed, left eye peering at the crow thru the scope, he takes the slack off the trigger with his right index finger with gentle pressure. Crow in the crosshares. Deep breath and a gentle exhale and then

POP

Not a loud noise but an audible one. Crow #1 falls lifelessly to the left.

ONE SHOT ONE KILL.

Power eases his gun a little to the right and homes in on Crow #2...
 
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excalibur said:
They got 2 OR tables and placed them side by side with a small gap in between them. The patient then just lay supine on the beds with the arrow going through the gap.
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Or you just cut off the excess foot of arrow at the skin and the lay the dude on his back.
 
Actually Jet, I was thinking more along the lines of

PAYBACK TIME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrDG4sPul8w

I need to get some sand bags for my Beeman R9. I don't think a tripod will work with a spring piston airgun.

What do you think of sufentanil PO crow? That would solve some the problem of potency. I'm still thinking of ways to drop a whole group when they show up for lunch. A remote detonated pressure cooker bomb would be great, but the neighbor is too close and the fragments might end up stuck in the house.

jetproppilot said:
This thread is

THE MOST ENTERTAINING, HILARIOUS, INFORMATIVE, CAPTIVATING

non-anesthesia related thread on SDN right now.

POWERMD VERSES PROPERTY RUINING BIRDS

GUNS, SILENCERS, SCOPES, SNIPERS, OTHER OPTIONAL TACTICS

Epic s h it man.

I envision PowerMD on the second floor of his home in a bedroom facing the back yard with the window open wearing camouflage and black high laced boots sporting a super power pellet gun with an eight hundred dollar scope and succinylcholine instilled pellets loaded. Gun is on a tripod. Power has built up a base behind the window so both he and the tripod of the gun can lay on it, providing a clear and very stable shot at the back yard. Several crows circle and eventually land at the distant point of his property line sixty yards from his vantage point. They commence digging up his fine grass contour. The four-crow team is oblivious to the laser scope teeming upon them. Power selects the far left crow first. Right eye closed, left eye peering at the crow thru the scope, he takes the slack off the trigger with his right index finger with gentle pressure. Crow in the crosshares. Deep breath and a gentle exhale and then

POP

Not a loud noise but an audible one. Crow #1 falls lifelessly to the left.

ONE SHOT ONE KILL.

Power eases his gun a little to the right and homes in on Crow #2...
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powermd said:
Actually Jet, I was thinking more along the lines of

PAYBACK TIME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrDG4sPul8w

I need to get some sand bags for my Beeman R9. I don't think a tripod will work with a spring piston airgun.

What do you think of sufentanil PO crow? That would solve some the problem of potency. I'm still thinking of ways to drop a whole group when they show up for lunch. A remote detonated pressure cooker bomb would be great, but the neighbor is too close and the fragments might end up stuck in the house.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

SUFENTANIL AS A WEAPON AGAINST CROWS?

OK OK OK I WANT ALL YOU MOE FOES OUT THERE REALIZE WE ARE ALL INTELLECTS AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE REAL LIFE SITUATION OF

POTENTIALLY 187ing(GOOGLE 187, nerds/geeks)


CROWS WITH SUFENTANIL!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHHAA

POWER...DUDE...THAT's

INGENIUS!!!:laugh::laugh:

SUFENTANIL PO CROW

Dude, I'm incapable of relaying to you how hard I laughed and how much entertainment you provided to me with that post!

THANKS MAN.👍

Getting back to the CROW ASSASSINATION,

SUFENTANIL WOULD WORK!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

DUDE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ASSASSINATING CROWS WITH SUFENTANIL....HOW EPIC IS THAT?????

Dude, I read how your buddy saturated bread with propofol and the crows ate it and came back for more.

SATURATE BREAD WITH SUFENTANIL AND SAID CROWS WILL BE FALLING OUTTA THE SKY LIKE

LAWN DARTS.

That's my professional opinion. I'm willing to TAKE THE STAND.

(EPIC THREAD....THANX POWERMD)
 
187? I learned something new. Not sure how I had not heard of that. Because I am a Van Halen fan, I know what 5150 is.🙂
 
powermd said:
What do you think of sufentanil PO crow? That would solve some the problem of potency. I'm still thinking of ways to drop a whole group when they show up for lunch. A remote detonated pressure cooker bomb would be great, but the neighbor is too close and the fragments might end up stuck in the house.
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Your prose is better than the current writers on

SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE.

That's not a joke. 👍
 
just be sure to clean up dead ones ASAP, before the guys from the CDC land, looking for evidence of bird flu!!:laugh:
 
I can hear the 911 call now, from powermd's neighbor lady, after feeding crows:
911, what is your emergency?
OMG OMG OMG...
calm down ma'am..
OMG we are all going to die!
ma'am...what is happening?
my neighbor's back yard is covered in dead birds! there must be hundreds of them! they must have some mutant highly contagious disease, we are all going to die!!
 
jetproppilot said:
Peri,

It apparently works man. Back in my residency days (1992-1996) I frequented the same barbershop where I lived on the West Bank of New Orleans called Al Overson's or something close to that.

My barber's name was Hulon Matherne. I had the privilege of getting to know Hulon pretty well over those years...he started about every third sentence with "First thing you know,...":laugh:

Hulon was an expert woodsman like alotta dudes here in Louisiana. You could drop him off in the middle of nowhere with no food and no water and I swear he'd eventually emerge alive months later.

Back then,

SUCCINYLCHOLINE CAME BOTH IN DILUENT AND POWDER FORM.

(There's an old anesthetic technique which used a succinylcholine INFUSION more commonly called a sux-drip for paralysis during a case...the clinician would mix the powder into an IV bag...)

I'd order the powder succinylcholine and give it to Hulon. He would lay newspapers out on the floor and don a pair of gloves. He used small balloons and somehow cut the upper third of a small balloon, laid it on the newspaper and using gloved hands sprinkled a buncha succinylcholine powder into the rubbery nest and somehow sealed it. He then attached it right behind the arrow tip of his arrows.

He swore by this technique. I'm not a hunter but from what I understood it's rare to drop a deer in it's tracks after a bow shot. They usually run a while and you haffta follow the blood trail. Hulon said the deers shot with succinylcholine-instilled arrows didn't run far.

PROBLEM IS, CURRENT DAY I don't even know if they manufacture the powder form of sux anymore.

Anyway, SOME COOL ANESTHESIA HISTORY and a COOL HUNTING TECHNIQUE.
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Thanks for sharing JPP, interesting piece of history.
 
excalibur said:
An aside, Jet...

Sux tipped arrows may be illegal now. Don't know. I am by no means a hunter.

I only bring this up from a story one of my old school attendings brought up in residency.

Our attending gives us a what would you do scenario from a real world experience. Apparently our attending, who is a hunter, had to take care of a dude who was bow hunting with his buddies. Unfortunately, this dude became the accidental game. The dude comes to the ED impaled by an arrow through the torso. Alive and talking. I can't recall if it was completely through torso or if was going chest to back, or back to chest. I know there was significant arrow exposed through the patient's back, as attending said dude was in the ED on his side and you could see arrow in the back. Our attending also mentioned the fact that in the past there were sux tip arrows, but I think he said there are laws against that now.

Anyway our attending posed the question of how would you position this patient for induction of anesthesia if he has more than a foot of arrow coming out of his back??
--Induction in lateral position??
--Fiberoptic in lateral position??

What they did was pretty cool. Genius really.

They got 2 OR tables and placed them side by side with a small gap in between them. The patient then just lay supine on the beds with the arrow going through the gap.

Sorry I don't remember the exact details of my attendings story, like if pt was going for thoracotomy. The point I took home was the 2 OR bed trick if pt has an impaling object coming out his back.
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That's a great idea. I recently attended a lecture on "ultra obese" patients ie 600-800 lbs. The anesthesiologist suggests placing two OR beds together and taping the controls together so nobody accidentally moves one side. As a side note they take their patients to the city zoo for pre/post op imaging studies. 😱
 
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