Originally posted by celticmists18
I have a friend who graduated second in his class from Harvard with a degree in journalism, he is currently coaching football for a living. (lesson: going to Harvard does not always equal success).
I have had dealings with another school famous for grade inflation-Stanford. For reasons I still don't completely understand, I decided to take my MCAT prep class across the street from Stanford. As you would guess the class was FULL of Stanford students. In fact it was all Stanford students except for myself (University of CA-San Diego) and a girl from UC Davis. It was interesting watching the supposedly all-knowing, "best of the best" Stanford students struggle just like us commoners.
I would also disagree with anyone who says the Harvard students are more motivated than the rest of us . . .besides one also has to consider that some people (God forbid) actually CHOOSE not to attend ivy leagues or other "more prestigious" schools. (Like myself, I chose to attent UCSD instead of Vanderbilt)
-sorry about the rant, but snotty ivy leaguers who refuse to even admit to the possibility that there school is not all that really tick me off!
Okay, I just want to say that I am going to stop checking this thread from this point on because it's probably giving me high blood pressure. Besides, whatever I say probably won't influence what anyone here thinks anyways.
1) There is no such thing as a journalism degree at Harvard. Nor does Harvard rank their students. Therefore, your friend is lying or your friend does not exist.
2) In response to your "lesson", that coaching football does not equal success, my response is that success is however you define it. And if your "friend" is happy coaching football, then all the more power to him. College is not just about opening doors, it's about developing your ability to think, meeting new people and learning new perspectives, and a host of other things. If you really do know someone who graduated near the top of his class from Harvard and is happy coaching football, I think that's absolutely awesome, because my major complaint about Ivy League schools is that they tend to funnel their students into only a few major professions.
3) Being from Stanford (Or Harvard, or any other Ivy League school), does not mean that people in your MCAT class will blow you out of the water with their extensive knowledge. Nobody claims omniscience. However, it does mean that they are, on average, probably better test-takers, better at analyzing problems on paper, and better at absorbing information than the average student at UCSD (note: you could easily be above the mean). And all this is borne out in the fact that Harvard and Stanford have higher MCAT averages than most schools.
4) As has been reiterated to death, of course there are brilliant state-schoolers. Of course there are plenty of people at every school who are intelligent enough to do well at an Ivy League and either chose not to for financial or other reasons, or just didn't have their act together in high school.
However, if you look at the caliber of an average student at an Ivy League versus the caliber of an average student at a substantially lower ranked school, I think it's hard to argue that there's no difference in qualifications.
Note, I am not saying "better." This is not a value judgment. And I am assuming that's why so many people argue about this, because they have this perception that Ivy Leaguers think that they're "better" than non-Ivy Leaguers (or maybe it's just their personal insecurity). Either way, I don't think that's true at all. But, I think it's hard to argue against the fact that the average Ivy Leaguer (compared to a student at a much lower ranked school) is simply more academically prepared, better suited to handle tougher academic loads, and has a history of overachievement in extracurriculars.
As additional side notes -- I am not saying intelligence is directly correlated with academics, in fact I don't really believe that. And two, the reason why I used "much lower-ranked school" as my example, is because I don't think there's any hold on exclusivity for the Ivy League, I am simply talking about top-schools versus non top-schools. So yes, there are other great schools, and I am not excluding them, I am simply using Ivy League schools as an example of top schools.
Okay that's it. I don't think anyone other than periodic even read my last post, so I don't think there's a ton of use in continuing to post my thoughts. Final note: This does not mean that I agree with anything that may follow my post, simply that I refuse to spend any more of my time refuting arguments when hardly anybody reads them. Adios and good luck to everybody in their application process.