Having a kid during the last year of pharm school...

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I've only worked at one company that had it, and that was the mail order place I worked at in the mid 1990s. Women got 6 weeks; men got 3 days. They could take more time if they wanted but had to use vacation time if they wanted to be paid for it.

I actually had two weeks paid maternity leave at my last full time job. I was the only full time employee so I don't know if it would have been offered to a male in my position. The only person I know right now who has paid leave is my brother in law. His company provides paid maternity and paternity leave, plus a bunch of other cool benefits (like free lunch everyday!).

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What's your point? If you have health insurance and know that it doesn't cover childbirth, then you'd also expect to have to pay for it yourself, right?

The health insurance plan I have right now does not cover pregnancy expenses and says so right up front. My dad's a retired firefighter who therefore had government benefits, and his insurance did not cover childbirth expenses until around the time that my parents got married in 1962.

ETA: Your BIL doesn't live in Des Moines, does he? In the mid 1980s, I worked at an insurance company that had a free employee cafeteria. It was, however, for employees only and we couldn't take food out of there.
 
Maternity leave in the US is unpaid, unless you have a particularly generous employer. So if someone is willing to give up nearly a fourth of their yearly income to take that time off, I'm not sure why anybody else would care. Except for the part about picking up all of their slack, which would definitely suck.


My employer gives 60% salary, 6 wks natural 8 for C section.
 
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Tell me about it. My brother's fiancee is worse than before. Now she recieves food stamps and disability on top of Medicaid.
I have the thought not to go to her second baby shower or participate in any way. We shall see!

If you also support a PURELY capitalistic society...disagree with affirmative action, religion, medicaid, any welfare programs, etc.

And support abortion and flat taxes...then we need to be best friends! :laugh:
 
My employer gives 60% salary, 6 wks natural 8 for C section.

How many women request elective c-sections so they can get 2 extra weeks off with pay? I'm curious if that happens.

The section rate at the local hospital is about 30%, or was anyway, because the doctor who did the excess sections died a few months ago. I heard nothing but good things about him as a gynecologist, but not such good things about him as an obstetrician.
 
The health insurance plan I have right now does not cover pregnancy expenses and says so right up front. My dad's a retired firefighter who therefore had government benefits, and his insurance did not cover childbirth expenses until around the time that my parents got married in 1962.

ETA: Your BIL doesn't live in Des Moines, does he? In the mid 1980s, I worked at an insurance company that had a free employee cafeteria. It was, however, for employees only and we couldn't take food out of there.

Right. If a female willingly chooses to work for an employer that doesn't pay pregnancy expenses, she has to live with that choice and should plan ahead if she wants a baby. I think that's a no brainer!

And no, not in Iowa. He's a programmer for a large internet shoe company. They have REALLY good free lunch every day. But it's not always healthy food so it may be a negative benefit in terms of the waistline! :laugh:
 
I must say that I'm surprised how some of the women on here feel about maternity leave and pregnancy. This is why I do not like working with women. Too much drama. Seriously, you are not paying for it..so who gives a ****? When you become an employer, you can set whatever rules you want. If someone wants to get pregnant, let them. If someone wants to take 3 months off, let them. This doesn't really concern you in anyway.

Fair enough...take as many days off as you want. As long as it is unpaid I am fine with it. Have as many children as you want...as long as you are rich and have the money for it..fine with me.

Just don't ever become a leech and use medicaid or any other services that you haven't paid for yourself was my point.

Too bad pharmacy is 70% women. :(
 
How many women request elective c-sections so they can get 2 extra weeks off with pay? I'm curious if that happens.

That would be whack. The pain/recovery time for a c-section is so much greater. It's totally not worth an extra two weeks off. I'd much rather take two weeks unpaid and deliver vaginally, but I don't have that option, unfortunately.
 
Fair enough...take as many days off as you want. As long as it is unpaid I am fine with it. Have as many children as you want...as long as you are rich and have the money for it..fine with me.

Just don't ever become a leech and use medicaid or any other services that you haven't paid for yourself was my point.

Too bad pharmacy is 70% women. :(

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That would be whack. The pain/recovery time for a c-section is so much greater. It's totally not worth an extra two weeks off. I'd much rather take two weeks unpaid and deliver vaginally, but I don't have that option, unfortunately.

Natural births hurt like hell during the process...C-sections hurt like hell AFTER the process...

My mother had three kids naturally without any drugs at all. I don't know how she did it...and I am not 100% sure if I want a kid b/c I don't know if I can take the pain. CHICKEN...I know. :oops:
 
We have similar opinions on babies? Cool beans.

I can see where allformydaugther is coming from in this thread and in the medicaid thread. I have taken a women's studies class before and the professor had similar views as allformydaughter. So I see where they are coming from...I however, just prefer to keep as much money as I can to myself. To be honest! LOL...I don't like socialism and I really HATE it when people have the idea that "it's okay, I can do whatever I want...b/c the government will paid for everything mentality." Or the mentality that I don't have to take responsibility for my own actions b/c someone else will bare the consequences for me. I just don't like that kind of people.

I have always been in favor of a purely capitalist society in which everyone works for their own money and benefits from their own ideas and creations. Socialism is just not for me. Is there any country that is PURELY capitalist? If there is I will move there.
We must just have similar baby opinions. I'm starting to value charity more as I practice pharmacy longer. I'll give money to patients when they don't have enough money, etc. So maybe that's as far as it goes! Lol
 
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I must say that I'm surprised how some of the women on here feel about maternity leave and pregnancy. This is why I do not like working with women. Too much drama. Seriously, you are not paying for it..so who gives a ****? When you become an employer, you can set whatever rules you want. If someone wants to get pregnant, let them. If someone wants to take 3 months off, let them. This doesn't really concern you in anyway.
Really? So who had to verify all of the prescriptions when the pregnant pharmacist was throwing up or feeling bad day after day? Me. I had to "pay for it" and pick up the slack during the aftermath shifts.
 
We must just have similar baby opinions. I'm starting to value charity more as I practice pharmacy longer. I'll give money to patients when they don't have enough money, etc. So maybe that's as far as it goes! Lol

I have donated to the Humane Society and PETA. I try to support no kill animal shelthers whenever I can. I am very generous with organizations that I believe in.

Yes, I care about dogs more than I care about some humans.
 
Ouch, what does that say about me? :lol:

Both pharmacies I worked at I worked with women...have YET to work with a hot guy at a pharmacy. :rolleyes:
 
I have donated to the Humane Society and PETA. I try to support no kill animal shelthers whenever I can. I am very generous with organizations that I believe in.

Yes, I care about dogs more than I care about some humans.
Ha! Deja vu... I called 911 about a dog in the median on the interstate today. I was really worried about it and thought that it would run back into traffic if I went after it myself.
 
Don't complain, sweetie. It improves your odds greatly!

My global health trip I am going on over spring break? The ratio is 1:7. They added a dude, before that it was 1:13. Frankly I could stand one or two more guys - balance, ya'know? Still, not complaining. :D
 
Ha! Deja vu... I called 911 about a dog in the median on the interstate today. I was really worried about it and thought that it would run back into traffic if I went after it myself.

If the government wants to support baby golden retrievers, I am ALL for it. :D

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I'm assuming that you were implying that such a thing does not currently exist.

Currect - the draft does not currently exist. So there is currently perfect gender equality - neither sex is drafted. If the draft were to return...I would say yes would woman should be drafted as well as men. We are long past the days of needing women to be bare foot and pregnant. We would need a system where only one spouse is called to service though, or else who will watch the children. Won't someone please think of the children?

I think you were trying to get at the fact that only men must register with selective services? OK you got me there - but because no one is drafted anymore I would argue that is simply a leftover from a bygone era, hardly indicative of current gender inequalities. Requiring woman to register with selective services would be a largely symbolic action - unless the draft returns. At this point what would have to happen for the draft to return? It is unimaginable to me - nothing short of a world war I think.

And like so many of my posts, it was mostly a joke.
 
Waaaaah. You men may have to register for Selective Service but I don't feel bad for you. You can PEE STANDING UP. I have often wished for this ability. I think it would be highly useful in bars, in the woods and in portapotties! :p

While that ability is awesome no question, no one under any circumstance should ever - EVER - use a portajohn.
 
Well, if I had the ability to do it standing up, I'd just go behind the portajohn or behind a building and let it rip.

Yup. Or a tree, car, sign. Really there is no place worse than a portajohn. Maybe an elementary classroom full of children and it just happens to be bring your camera to class day...even then, close call.
 
Yup. Or a tree, car, sign. Really there is no place worse than a portajohn. Maybe an elementary classroom full of children and it just happens to be bring your camera to class day...even then, close call.

Now there's a way to become a registered sex offender!!! :smuggrin::laugh::laugh:
 
Feel better now?
No, I still have to pick up baby slack (actually, I work only with men and old, outside of baby-making age women now...so I guess it doesn't affect me now) and listen to noise pollution. AND my new baby tax hasn't been enacted into law yet. Why the hell would I feel better? Now I feel worse because my utopia is yet to form.


If you don't want to deal with screaming kids, don't go to Denny's. Just a hint.

Why should I have to not go to Denny's? In fact, this is a good point you brought up. People with children should have to stay at home until their offspring are trained to not cry. That's being added to the "if Mike was emperor" list.
 
Yeah, if it's private insurance that you bought yourself then that's fine.

For the paid or unpaid maternity leave I was just trying to figure out why WVU was so angry in that one post. I wasn't sure if maternity leave was paid or not. If it's unpaid that's fine...WVU seems to disagree, but I don't see a problem with it. A employee should be allow to take off time if they wish (as long as they aren't getting paid who cares?).

If it's paid then I guess I can see some tension b/c if I decided NOT to have kids and I work with someone that has THREE babies over the few years...then pretty much the company has paid that person to have a 9 month PAID vacation...while I got NOTHING. I guess I can see the bitterness coming out b/c of that. I think that was what WVU is refering to.

Well, the last job I had, two people took off for 4 months of leave. During the winter (worst possible time)...leaving me all alone on several occasions with temp workers. Winter in a hospital with RPH on the Go people is brutal. "They can check stuff" is about the peak of their usefulness. Yay. That's really fair to me, now isn't it. Hell, that's a reason to work mail order or retail right there. If your partner goes down, hell, at least CVS and Wags has an army of floaters that actually know what they are doing.

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And another thing. If I got an elective sex change, how do you think people would feel if I took a 3 months "rehabilitative" vacation? They'd think I was milking it...and what if I had the ability to go back and forth every 9 months...and I actually did it...yeah, everyone would hate me...
 
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I can't wait until my partner and I have children. Smart people need to breed more. The more educated people there are having children, the better. I don't know why you chicks are ragging on parents... how old are you? Like 12? Believe me, when you grow up a little bit, you might feel differently- maybe not, but we can hope. Pregnancy may or not be "elective" as some put it but, either way, it is none of your ****ing business. You guys are complaining about paying taxes for this and that but one of you doesn't even have a job so you don't have any right to be complaining, anyway. I have put plenty of tax dollars into the economy... my tax dollars from my 12 years of work experience are probably helping fund your education right now. I wonder if I can "elect" to have those tax dollars be put to better use as you suggest SHC. Either way, when my partner gets pregnant and takes leave, I will have no qualms about it. Hell, I might take a leave too, so we can BOTH be home with our baby for a while. That's the wonderful thing about working somewhere with such a benefit in the form of PTO, leave, "disability", or whatever.

Some of you sure spout ridiculous opinions about things you have absolutely no experience with.

My only beef with parents in the workplace is when they believe they have the right to have holidays off while the rest of us should work because "they have kids and we don't". That is total BS, IMO. Everyone rotates their holidays and weekends so, do your fair share and work the days you're supposed to work, and I don't give a damn if you get FMLA or whatever. Hell, sometimes I need a break from certain people, anyway.

I remember when I first started working at the hospital. Nobody knew that I had a partner so, come Valentine's Day, I had all these people coming to me asking me to work for them. That was an odd way of coming out of the closet to some people... :laugh:
 
I don't know why every thread on here about kids has to derail into a discourse about how all pregnant women and babies are evil. :( Just think, you were a baby once. Do you wish your mom never had you?

And pharmDstudent is acting like there is no such thing as accidental pregnancy...seriously, do you think someone who is 35 and married should be abstinent? We aren't teenagers at Catholic school. Though some people would argue that married people have the least amount of sex, lol.
 
I don't know why every thread on here about kids has to derail into a discourse about how all pregnant women and babies are evil. :( Just think, you were a baby once. Do you wish your mom never had you?

And pharmDstudent is acting like there is no such thing as accidental pregnancy...seriously, do you think someone who is 35 and married should be abstinent? We aren't teenagers at Catholic school. Though some people would argue that married people have the least amount of sex, lol.

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EDIT: I'd also add (and I know this is asking to be flamed) that I'd NEVER tell someone who didn't want children that they had to have them or that they were selfish or making the wrong choice, etc. So why do some who are childless by choice seem to think it is their right/duty to lecture those who do want children? If you don't want kids, don't have them. But stay out of my personal decisions. MYOB.
 
c'mon, you're near NOLA, mardi gras is next month, i can think of a few ways :smuggrin:
Not really. If vehicular manslaughter is the responsibility of the drunk driver, then pregnancy is the drunk couple's responsibility, too.

I miss NOLA :(
 
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EDIT: I'd also add (and I know this is asking to be flamed) that I'd NEVER tell someone who didn't want children that they had to have them or that they were selfish or making the wrong choice, etc. So why do some who are childless by choice seem to think it is their right/duty to lecture those who do want children?

Because this is a freaking discussion board. What the hell are we supposed to do ? Log in and tape our hands to the desk?

Everyone boo this person!

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
*crowd begins booing*
 
I don't know why every thread on here about kids has to derail into a discourse about how all pregnant women and babies are evil. :( Just think, you were a baby once. Do you wish your mom never had you?

And pharmDstudent is acting like there is no such thing as accidental pregnancy...seriously, do you think someone who is 35 and married should be abstinent? We aren't teenagers at Catholic school. Though some people would argue that married people have the least amount of sex, lol.
Pregnancy is either intentional, unintentional, or forced. It is not accidental, because you can not accidentally have sex.
 
Pregnancy is either intentional, unintentional, or forced. It is not accidental, because you can not accidentally have sex.

Skiing injuries are either intentional, unintentional, or forced. They are not accidental, because you can not accidentally go skiing.
 
Skiing injuries are either intentional, unintentional, or forced. They are not accidental, because you can not accidentally go skiing.
Unless you know ahead of time that there are specific hazards on the ski slope, then it is an accident. The consequence of having sex is well known - it's pregnancy. Therefore, pregnancy is not accidental... unless you have an IQ of 0 and don't know what sex entails.
 
Because this is a freaking discussion board. What the hell are we supposed to do ? Log in and tape our hands to the desk?

Everyone boo this person!

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
*crowd begins booing*
Right. Because people on this board are trying to lecture her in particular. Because it has nothing to do with the fact that 50% of children born in Louisiana were sponsered by Medicaid.
 
Unless you know ahead of time that there are specific hazards on the ski slope, then it is an accident. The consequence of having sex is well known - it's pregnancy. Therefore, pregnancy is not accidental... unless you have an IQ of 0 and don't know what sex entails.

The idea that if you ski or engage in other potentially hazardous activity, the risk that you could get hurt is also well known and forseeable. Just as every person who goes skiing (or bungie jumps, or skidives, or plays Russian roulette) doesn't get injured, every person who has sex doesn't get pregnant. There is an element of chance to both, whether you want to see it or not.

Right. Because people on this board are trying to lecture her in particular. Because it has nothing to do with the fact that 50% of children born in Louisiana were sponsered by Medicaid.

I'd argue that Medicaid babies in Louisiana have nothing to do with the question posed by the person who started this thread. Her question wasn't, "Should I have a child because I don't know if I can support it?" It was "Is having a baby in the 4th year of pharmacy school doable?" Medicaid babies (regardless of geographic locale) are pretty much irrelevant to her question. :)
 
I can't wait until my partner and I have children. Smart people need to breed more. The more educated people there are having children, the better. I don't know why you chicks are ragging on parents... how old are you? Like 12? Believe me, when you grow up a little bit, you might feel differently- maybe not, but we can hope. Pregnancy may or not be "elective" as some put it but, either way, it is none of your ****ing business. You guys are complaining about paying taxes for this and that but one of you doesn't even have a job so you don't have any right to be complaining, anyway. I have put plenty of tax dollars into the economy... my tax dollars from my 12 years of work experience are probably helping fund your education right now. I wonder if I can "elect" to have those tax dollars be put to better use as you suggest SHC. Either way, when my partner gets pregnant and takes leave, I will have no qualms about it. Hell, I might take a leave too, so we can BOTH be home with our baby for a while. That's the wonderful thing about working somewhere with such a benefit in the form of PTO, leave, "disability", or whatever.

Some of you sure spout ridiculous opinions about things you have absolutely no experience with.

QFT! :thumbup:
 
As for the OP.

Yes, have the child now before you actually become important and depended upon in a professional career.

All of you need to get your baby making done before you graduate. This should be another new law.
 
Just hire an illegal live in nanny for **** you don't want to deal with (i.e: stupid chores and errands)! Isn't this what illegal immigrants want anyway (work in a low paying job as long as it's in USA)? Problem solved >_>; Oh ya, not to mention free new language crash course -.-;
 
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The idea that if you ski or engage in other potentially hazardous activity, the risk that you could get hurt is also well known and forseeable. Just as every person who goes skiing (or bungie jumps, or skidives, or plays Russian roulette) doesn't get injured, every person who has sex doesn't get pregnant. There is an element of chance to both, whether you want to see it or not.



I'd argue that Medicaid babies in Louisiana have nothing to do with the question posed by the person who started this thread. Her question wasn't, "Should I have a child because I don't know if I can support it?" It was "Is having a baby in the 4th year of pharmacy school doable?" Medicaid babies (regardless of geographic locale) are pretty much irrelevant to her question. :)
It's about causality, not risk. You can not accidentally get fat or spend all of your money, just like you can't accidentally get pregnant.

We went off topic a while back. Medicaid was discussed repeatedly. Who will finance the pregnancy and childbirth if her husband loses his job? My old pharmacy manager's wife had a premature birth and eclampsia with her first pregnancy. The total hospital bill (12 years ago!) was $400,000.
 
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EDIT: I'd also add (and I know this is asking to be flamed) that I'd NEVER tell someone who didn't want children that they had to have them or that they were selfish or making the wrong choice, etc. So why do some who are childless by choice seem to think it is their right/duty to lecture those who do want children? If you don't want kids, don't have them. But stay out of my personal decisions. MYOB.

I don't know why every thread on here about kids has to derail into a discourse about how all pregnant women and babies are evil. :( Just think, you were a baby once. Do you wish your mom never had you?

And pharmDstudent is acting like there is no such thing as accidental pregnancy...seriously, do you think someone who is 35 and married should be abstinent? We aren't teenagers at Catholic school. Though some people would argue that married people have the least amount of sex, lol.

NO ONE is saying babies are evil!!!

Okay do you both believe or feel that if a couple CANNOT afford a baby, then they should NOT have one? If yes, you agree with me.

Do you both believe or feel that if a couple CANNOT afford a baby, but have one anyways they are being a bunch of selfish *******s because they are forcing society to pay for their baby? If yes, you agree with me.

DO you both believe or feel that if a woman CANNOT afford a baby, but had one by accident (I don't believe you can accidently get pregnant...and FORGETING to take your BC is YOUR fault...99% of the time that is what happens...BC has to be taken everyday and many people forget that), but anyways...do you guys believe that if a woman get pregnant but CANNOT afford a baby she should get an abortion? If yes, you agree with me.

Those 3 points is ALL that I am saying.

If you are filthy rich and want children and can afford anything in this world, then by ALL MEANS HAVE AS MANY AS YOU WANT. I think that is great. I know plenty of rich people that have like 4 or 5 children and they all turn out to be great people. I think that is just great and I have no problem with that.

Does this clear it up now? or do people still assume that I hate babies b/c I do not. Thank you. :)
 
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