HELP, want to change residency

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Hey everyone,
So I'm in quite a predicament. Long story short, I'm an IMG (US citizen, went to Caribbean med school). Currently PGY-2 in a (not so great) radiology program. But I really feel like Preventive Medicine is the specialty for me. I'm all about nutrition and exercise to prevent disease and trying to fix the broken healthcare system instead of just going with the flow and feeling like another cog in the machine.

I only just discovered Preventive Med a month ago but have submitted apps through ERAS to some programs.

Important questions is: Since I'm an IMG, most states don't grant a license unless you've had 2 years of residency, but I believe in the same specialty. So do I have to go back and do 2 years of medicine? Reapply to IM/FM programs? Or does anyone have any info. on the matter? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

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Hey everyone,
So I'm in quite a predicament. Long story short, I'm an IMG (US citizen, went to Caribbean med school). Currently PGY-2 in a (not so great) radiology program. But I really feel like Preventive Medicine is the specialty for me. I'm all about nutrition and exercise to prevent disease and trying to fix the broken healthcare system instead of just going with the flow and feeling like another cog in the machine.

I only just discovered Preventive Med a month ago but have submitted apps through ERAS to some programs.

Important questions is: Since I'm an IMG, most states don't grant a license unless you've had 2 years of residency, but I believe in the same specialty. So do I have to go back and do 2 years of medicine? Reapply to IM/FM programs? Or does anyone have any info. on the matter? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

State licensure is based on the number of years of graduate medical education, not your specialty.


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State licensure is based on the number of years of graduate medical education, not your specialty.


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I saw that but on some state licensing websites it says that the GME must be in the same specialty or "progressive" education. So wasn't sure if 1 year of medicine and 1 year of radiology would count.
 
I saw that but on some state licensing websites it says that the GME must be in the same specialty or "progressive" education. So wasn't sure if 1 year of medicine and 1 year of radiology would count.

That is "progressive education"; it's not like you're doing multiple preliminary years at different programs.


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Hello all,

I came across this thread while looking for answers to my predicament and I am hopeful to find some good advice. I am a PGY-1 resident in an Internal Medicine program. I did well in medical school. I was in the top half of the class, scored above average on step 1 and Step 2, and had good evaluations/letters of recommendations. I matched into internal medicine thinking that it was broad enough that I might be able to find my niche, as I was unsure of what I wanted to do. As time goes on, I am quickly learning that Internal Medicine is not for me. I have the utmost respect for those who do this day in and day out, but I no longer see myself doing this in the future. In fact, I don't think I will be practicing clinical medicine. Out of desperation, I started researching other career options for Medical school graduates and I came across preventive medicine. The more I read about it, the more believe that this would be a better fit for me. The issue is that I realize that I am half way through my intern year and it's a little late to be attempting to switch out now. I am becoming more and more depressed the longer I stay in this residency and it is beginning to take a toll on my home life and is putting a strain on my relationship with my wife. I don't want to give up on medicine completely. Also, I am a 250,000 dollars in debt and I realize that there just are not that many job opportunities out there for people who have just an MD with no board certification. I would like to attempt to switch into Preventive medicine and I have read that It is possible to do this after only completing an Intern year. I am looking for anyone who has experience with this. Should I notify my program director and rush to submit applications to the local programs, or should I just keep my head down and be glad I have a residency spot in the first place? I would like to switch if possible, but also I realize that having a residency position in a field I don't enjoy is better than not having a residency at all. I would hate to leave this program only to have the switch not work out. If anyone has any advice or experience with this I would be greatly appreciative.
 
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I'll try to find a link to one of the threads where I've discussed this more thoroughly, but in order to give you some quick thoughts....

It is, in my opinion, worth changing residencies if you know it's not going to be a good fit. I, too, started in internal medicine, and I still value my experiences in it. IM offers a lot of diverse opportunities and is amenable to a wide variety of personalty types and skill sets. So, as far as job opportunities go, it does make life a lot easier in the long run to be boarded in a primary care specialty like IM if you want to have a clinical medicine be a big part of your career. And, being dual-boarded in primary care PLUS preventive medicine can open up a lot of opportunities, including those that have little-to-no direct patient care. So... if you aren't certain that you don't want to finish IM *residency* (regardless of whether or not that would be your life-long practice), you might want to tough it out at least another year. You might also find that your feelings change about IM as you get closer to PGY-2. I'm sure SOMEONE can pull up the graphs that show a clear spike in depressive symptoms in PGY-1 between Oct and Feb. (And, for a good portion of my residency class, I can confirm that clinical depression is a real entity at this stage). You may or may not feel the same way as you get more confidence toward the end of the year, and hopefully get more balance between electives and hard-core call months.

HOWEVER... you may have reached the point of certainty that this (IM) isn't what you want to do. So, this time of year is still a perfectly reasonable time to start looking at Prev Med residencies. You are correct --- not only is it possible to complete a PM residency after your intern year... it's in fact mandatory. Having a PGY-1 year is a pre-req for applying to Prev Med, Occ Med, or Aerospace Med programs. You need to have enough clinical experience and training to be able to take Step III and obtain a medical license for the state you intend to practice in (EDIT: Not that you have to have your license to start in PM residency). And, in your preventive medicine rotations.... or more appropriately in some cases, practicums... you'll often be relying on your clinical experience from IM while learning and practicing public health and preventive medicine.

I'm a few years out of the loop, and things have been in flux since I did my PM residency. The best source of information is going to be ACPM.... and this is the link to the Resident information page: Residency Programs - American College of Preventive Medicine

They have been working on a more standardized application process (which the page alludes to)... but, historically, it was still possible to submit applications, get interviews, and get acceptances well into the Spring (for July 1 start dates). Even though the standardized process has pushing the schedule up, I would not automatically assume that it would be impossible to get a spot for July 1 at many programs (included some of the most respected in the field). (EDIT: There is usually a residency fair at the annual conference at ACPM, which used to be in Feb but now is in May.... so even if you can only come for a day or two, the conference is always a great opportunity to learn about programs, and historically at least, some programs conduct interviews at the conference).

Then there's the question of "what can you do with Prev med?" (particularly if you are not dual-board certified but opt to complete and pass just PM). That's where this page is helpful (Medical Student Section - American College of Preventive Medicine). More specifically, check out the recruiting slideshow (link halfway down the page) for specific examples of the kind of work we do (in residency and then as career options).

Like IM, one of the great things about PM is that there are a lot of different avenues you can go with this training. (for me, that's a blessing and a curse.... because I kind of like several areas and still am not 100% sure which way I want to commit long term to). I won't pretend that PM doesn't have issues of it's own. Lack of visibility is one - people don't even realize we're a real field, partially because you don't apply directly out of medical school. Many people know about PM and plan to do PM after their intern year (or after a full residency with the plan to be dual-boarded). But, the relative number of jobs is smaller, as we're a small and diverse specialty. We're even smaller than Occ Med (but this is a "sister specialty" and their are routes to becoming an Occ Med specialist after a PM residency). I don't have the data to support this, but during the job hunt, it certainly seems like - for every 1 PM job listing, there are probably 10 OM job listing. And, there's probably 100 IM job listings. (You'll find out how frequently recruiters start bugging you in PGY2 IM just how many IM jobs are out there)... but... there is data to support this: Prev Med and Occ Med both have some of the highest job satisfaction ratings for physicians.


Ha... that was my attempt at a quick response. I'm sure the other threads I bump will have similar information but may have some specific details I forgot to mention today. But, I'll be glad to answer questions (in this thread or via private message if you prefer). But, I probably should stop procrastinating :)
 
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