Help with rank list

[Radiologyreviews2015]

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Yep, that time of year for an influx of these posts. I'd appreciate any and all feedback regarding ranking the following 5 programs, assuming location is irrelevant:
1. UC Irvine
2. U of Colorado
3. UC Davis
4. U of Minnesota
5. UI-Peoria

 

[deleted564680]

Location irrelevant? They are pretty equal. Probably people would rank them 1. UC-Davis 2. U of Minn 3. UI Peoria 4. UC Irvine 5. Colorado if you are talking just program strength. That being said, I'm personally high on Peoria because they have great fellowships (IR especially) but they are relatively unknown outside of rads. I also don't like California so there's that. haha

 

[preDoGuy24]

Peoria only had an IR fellowship (seemed to be a really strong program) when I interviewed there. Impressive residents though a small class. Thought the PD was really good and was a big resident advocate. I would say OP needs to give more info on location-Peoria, California, and Denver are a huge range of different lifestyles.


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[deleted564680]

Peoria has Neurorads too, but yeah the IR is very good.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

peoria has the university tag but it is actually a private practice group affiliated with the university. there is less emphasis on academics as attendings focus on their workflow. attendings often do not sign out in person with residents and residents are expected to learn mainly through self study and video lectures. the residents on night call q4 night. level 1 trauma center with busy ED. the program had trouble matching the past few years and multiple residents have left the program in recent years. started filling with FMGs and IMGs. class size of 4. great IR fellowship, not so great DR residency. peoria is a small rural city in the middle of illinois.

 

[deleted564680]

As someone from central IL, I find it annoying that people call a 250k metro a "small, rural city."
WTH do I call my 3000 person town I grew up in then?

 

[Baller MD]

As someone from central IL, I find it annoying that people call a 250k metro a "small, rural city."
WTH do I call my 3000 person town I grew up in then?

Podunk, USA.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Location irrelevant? They are pretty equal. Probably people would rank them 1. UC-Davis 2. U of Minn 3. UI Peoria 4. UC Irvine 5. Colorado if you are talking just program strength. That being said, I'm personally high on Peoria because they have great fellowships (IR especially) but they are relatively unknown outside of rads. I also don't like California so there's that. haha

Peoria only had an IR fellowship (seemed to be a really strong program) when I interviewed there. Impressive residents though a small class. Thought the PD was really good and was a big resident advocate. I would say OP needs to give more info on location-Peoria, California, and Denver are a huge range of different lifestyles.


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Thanks for the replies, guys.

I say location is irrelevant because though I'd really like to end up in California for residency and practice (and therefore my rank list as is will probably be in the order I posted, maybe swapping #2 and #3), for the purposes of this post I also want to objectively consider going to the program with the best training.

If any of those 5 offers substantially better training, I would be OK with sacrificing my desire to go to California.

 

[AlexMorph]

Thanks for the replies, guys.

I say location is irrelevant because though I'd really like to end up in California for residency and practice (and therefore my rank list as is will probably be in the order I posted, maybe swapping #2 and #3), for the purposes of this post I also want to objectively consider going to the program with the best training.

If any of those 5 offers substantially better training, I would be OK with sacrificing my desire to go to California.

If you wanna end up in California, go to residency in California. All those programs will offer you the same level of solid training.

 

[Fab5Hill33]

I agree with the last poster. If you want to end up in California (tough market to break into), you are best off doing as much of your training (resident and fellowship) there as possible.

 

[Apoplexy__]

If you wanna end up in California, go to residency in California. All those programs will offer you the same level of solid training.

I agree with the last poster. If you want to end up in California (tough market to break into), you are best off doing as much of your training (resident and fellowship) there as possible.

Sounds like what all my advisors are saying too. Location above most else.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Sounds like what all my advisors are saying too. Location above most else.

I wonder how much this holds true for other regions, like the southeast or midwest. I'm hoping those are less competitive because I'd rather do residency somewhere more fun and then return home.

 

[qwerty89]

As a native Californian who was exiled for med school (and now for rads) who matched last year I would rank them like this:

1. UCI/UCD
2.UCI/UCD
3. University of Colorado
4. University of Minnesota
5. UI-Peoria

Location and culture are huge. I don't see any huge advantages any of these programs have over another in terms of reputation. Personally I don't see how you can have UIPeoria in your top 5. The location, weather, culture is literally a 180 degree turn from a UCI for example. I would rank all California programs that you got interviews at at the top. I'm assuming if you got a UCI interview then you at least got a couple more CA community program interviews?

 

[gwooooooooooooooooooood]

If you want to go to California after training, rank UCI and UCD highly, there's no question about that one.

Reputation wise, Minnesota wins (and a huge % of them go on to train at Mayo and other big midwest programs) but for most the location (and cold) is a huge turnoff, and is keeping me from ranking it highly. It's reputation probably does not go as far in California as training at UC programs does.

I turned down a Univ Colorado interview because of comments I've heard multiple times on the interview trail which are highlighted on the forums in the review thread.

I cannot speak to Peoria but it seems to get a lot of good reviews.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

As a native Californian who was exiled for med school (and now for rads) who matched last year I would rank them like this:

1. UCI/UCD
2.UCI/UCD
3. University of Colorado
4. University of Minnesota
5. UI-Peoria

Location and culture are huge. I don't see any huge advantages any of these programs have over another in terms of reputation. Personally I don't see how you can have UIPeoria in your top 5. The location, weather, culture is literally a 180 degree turn from a UCI for example. I would rank all California programs that you got interviews at at the top. I'm assuming if you got a UCI interview then you at least got a couple more CA community program interviews?

Sorry to hear, man. Same happened with me as well. Hope you can return for a fellowship and/or job.

Unfortunately, I somehow got zero community invites from CA -- UCI and UCD were my only interviews in California. I'm assuming that's the regional bias talking, or maybe I screwed something up in the app process.

Ha, totally see your point about Peoria. I love California but I'm actually coming back mostly for family/friends.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

I turned down a Univ Colorado interview because of comments I've heard multiple times on the interview trail which are highlighted on the forums in the review thread.

I actually did a couple forum searches and looked through the 2015-16 and 2014-15 threads without finding anything about Colorado. If you get a chance, mind linking me?

 

[gwooooooooooooooooooood]

http://www.auntminnie.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=168108&mpage=1#172842

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

that's ridiculous, that post is from 2008. 8 classes of residents will have gone through the program in between that post and the time you would start.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

My friend is a resident at Peoria. He told me if he were to do it again, he would absolutely not have ranked it based on location, sparse didactics, lack of support and respect for residents, and the frequency of call. Unfortunately he did not have too many options. Just my 2 cents.

http://peoria.medicine.uic.edu/departments___programs/GME/residencies/radiology/residents/

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

My friend is a resident at Peoria. He told me if he were to do it again, he would absolutely not have ranked it based on location, sparse didactics, lack of support and respect for residents, and the frequency of call. Unfortunately he did not have too many options. Just my 2 cents.

http://peoria.medicine.uic.edu/departments___programs/GME/residencies/radiology/residents/

4 people is a small class if you don't gel with your fellow residents.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

I actually loved Peoria. I think the program has solid residents and they all seem super happy. Def considering ranking it in my top 3.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

I personally would much rather spend 5 years in my 20s in Cali or Denver versus Peoria 🙂