Henry Stickmin - Game Thread

[The_Breadmann]

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I'm assuming preserving isn't the word you meant to use for Zenge but I get what you're trying to say lol

Thank you meant to say Mayo.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Oooh I do not like this post and am tempted to yeet you for it.

What did you not like about it? I didn't fully follow the logic and kind of skipped over it

 

[PippyPony]

What did you not like about it? I didn't fully follow the logic and kind of skipped over it

I don't follow the logic either and frankly I don't think anyone should be solid village reading me based on that particular string of posts he's referencing.

 

[genny]

I tried not to use meta so much because that won't be helpful for champs but, well..

WW is srs bsns
Great that you noticed I’m not playing to my meta, but has anything I’ve said actually struck you as wolfy?

 

[PippyPony]

And he's simultaneously defending the other person who was like "well I'd rather yeet a real wolf."

Wolfy.

 

[WildZoo]

WW is srs bsns
Great that you noticed I’m not playing to my meta, but has anything I’ve said actually struck you as wolfy?

Yeah, I didn't like your vis vote

 

[PippyPony]

@PippyPony how are you feeling about cray?

Neutral to light wolf

 

[PippyPony]

Although @WildZoo the posts overnight critiquing the play style of players who I think are generally pretty darn good at being village is making me bump her more back towards village

I hate the way this paragraph sounds but oh well

 

[PippyPony]

I changed my mind about the mayo/Zenge thing. I think it's most likely v/v.

 

[PippyPony]

The wolves love the selfinflicted sus. Throws the topic off of them. Sets someone up to be yeet’d that they don’t have to NK.

I always hear Genny as blunt which I love. It’d be disappointing if that is just in my head

Can you explain what you mean here?

I think I get the concept of the first part, but I'm interested in the second blurb and also how you're overall reading genny in light of her small defense of me. Do you think she's setting me up as a misyeet?

 

[PippyPony]

From a setup perspective and “plot”:

Dubz is too important and can’t be a wolf.
Cray is a wolf bc good training, they should likely be separated, and counter to expectations.

Also, was this a serious comment?

 

[alleycat03]

I’m awake, but I’m going to be spending the next several hours driving to my parents to celebrate Mother’s Day. I will be back this evening and should have plenty of time to get caught up before EOD

 

[PippyPony]

Unyeet cray
Yeet Sporty

I don't like the long cycles either but I literally forgot you were playing this game.

 

[PippyPony]

I’m awake, but I’m going to be spending the next several hours driving to my parents to celebrate Mother’s Day. I will be back this evening and should have plenty of time to get caught up before EOD

Thank you for the scheduling update 😛

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
April () -
dubz (2) - Sporty, sunshine
Sporty (1) - Pippy
Bread (1) - mkg
Cray () -
Vis (1) - genny
Mel () -
mayo (2) - Cray, April
Zenge (3) - mayo, Bob, Bread
genny (1) - dubz

11/15
yeet close in ~11 hours

 

[alleycat03]

For now, I’m going to

###yeet bob###

because he’s given me the most pings in my read through so far.

 

[PippyPony]

I don't like any of the 2+ options on the board right now.

Pick better votes.

 

[Viscernable]

I also don’t like any of the current wagons much, and I want to wait for Bob’s reply before going there. I think we’ve been exhausting wolfhunting momentum with focus on v/v tiffs. Time to shake it up.

yeet @Melchizedek

 

[Aprilthearab]

Unyeet cray
Yeet Sporty

I don't like the long cycles either but I literally forgot you were playing this game.

Speaking of which, I just saw the tally and realized mkg put down a vote and also hasn't showed up since

 

[Aprilthearab]

I expect to hear more from mkg this far into D1. Not so sure about sporty, I think I remember she usually shows up late?

 

[genny]

I also don’t like any of the current wagons much, and I want to wait for Bob’s reply before going there. I think we’ve been exhausting wolfhunting momentum with focus on v/v tiffs. Time to shake it up.

yeet @Melchizedek

No, he’s village. Try someone else.

 

[Aprilthearab]

No, he’s village. Try someone else.

Please enlighten me. I've only played with mel once and heard that he's difficult to read

 

[PippyPony]

Speaking of which, I just saw the tally and realized mkg put down a vote and also hasn't showed up since

My only hesitation with voting either one of them is that I know AM will lay the smackdown if they don't meet the content minimum.

 

[Melchizedek]

Why do you only care about zenge’s thoughts? Is he a suspect for you?

awww is someone a little jealous?

I would definitely do, and have done, something like that as a wolf.

You know what you’ve also done as a wolf? Pushed bad logic on thread (I.e. voting dubz based on an emoji), and then doubled down on it and tunneled when people started poking holes in your theory.

Besides her, what two other players would you consider voting today and why?

my n=1 on wolf!sunny is from the last game I played, so I recognize the tendency for recall bias. Does anyone have more data? Is this AI or just baseline?

For now, I’m going to

###yeet bob###

because he’s given me the most pings in my read through so far.

I would appreciate expansion on what specifically pinged your radar.

I am reading Mayo as village, not entirely sure about zenge. Feel safer preserving zenge mayo and I am going to be stuck on the road for about 10ish hour in a bit

Who else is on your suspicious list right now?

@Viscernable what are your thoughts on April?

 

[Aprilthearab]

My only hesitation with voting either one of them is that I know AM will lay the smackdown if they don't meet the content minimum.

Yeah, I never like wasting a yeet on someone who might get mod killed for inactivity. But I'm taking note for if they do show up and skirt the minimum

 

[PippyPony]

Yeah, I never like wasting a yeet on someone who might get mod killed for inactivity. But I'm taking note for if they do show up and skirt the minimum

That's why I'm not tagging them.

 

[PippyPony]

my n=1 on wolf!sunny is from the last game I played, so I recognize the tendency for recall bias. Does anyone have more data? Is this AI or just baseline?

I don't understand what you're asking about as baseline vs not baseline.

 

[Melchizedek]

I don't understand what you're asking about as baseline vs not baseline.

When presented with information that conflicts with her current theory, is wolf!sunshine more prone to doubling down and tunneling on her initial read/thought process. Or does this happen in her gameplay regardless of alignment?

 

[PippyPony]

When presented with information that conflicts with her current theory, is wolf!sunshine more prone to doubling down and tunneling on her initial read/thought process. Or does this happen in her gameplay regardless of alignment?

Is Dubz calling bull**** on a Dubz vote 'information' somehow?

 

[Melchizedek]

Is Dubz calling bull**** on a Dubz vote 'information' somehow?

You’re nitpicking at my words. When she is challenged for faulty logic does she double down is what I’m asking.

 

[PippyPony]

You’re nitpicking at my words. When she is challenged for faulty logic does she double down is what I’m asking.

When she is challenged she doubles down, period.

 

[PippyPony]

There's been so much meta discussion in this game so far.

@Melchizedek you going to drop a vote at any point today?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

But the game is to help both if them get practice so either can be on either side. So we should no assume one way or another just because of the purpose of the game.

Agreed. I was staying from a plot armor perspective. And if I was the one selecting roles (or writing it out). I would have one on each side

 

[PippyPony]

And if I was the one selecting roles (or writing it out). I would have one on each side

This is an unproductive line of speculation that will not help us find wolves

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I don’t get it and also don’t like Bob answering for sunny

Bummer bc I have really liked your reads so far.

I mentioned it was a guess. But with zenge seeming sus, then Mel asking zenges takes seemed obvious. It didn’t seem like Mel was pushing others for reads like that. Or did you mean that I shouldn’t have given that away?

 

[PippyPony]

In fact @BobLoblaw78 from a numerical perspective it's more likely they're both village:

12/15 = 80% individual likelihood of village
3/15 = 20% individual likelihood of wolf

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I’ve read this post so many times trying to figure out who you’re casting as the wolf enjoying the villagers making their own misyeet... cray? genny? Or are you saying anyone involved in this exchange you’re reading v because the wolves want to stand back and let village dirty their hands with a misyeet?

Whoever the wolves are loves this. Not directed towards anyone (but right now I sus zenge).
You nailed it with the second part. If I was wolf, I would like a villager saying to vote themselves off- one less to NK and wastes a village yeet

 

[PippyPony]

In fact @BobLoblaw78 from a numerical perspective it's more likely they're both village:

12/15 = 80% individual likelihood of village
3/15 = 20% individual likelihood of wolf

Finishing up the math because it's gonna bug me

Spoiler: Probabilililililities

0.8 * 0.8 = 64% chance both village
0.8 * 0.2 = 16% chance each of one wolf + one village --> *2 because 2 versions of this combo = 32% chance of either/or
0.2 * 0.2 = 4% chance both wolf

--------
.64 + .32 + .04 = 1

 

[WildZoo]

Finishing up the math because it's gonna bug me

Spoiler: Probabilililililities

0.8 * 0.8 = 64% chance both village
0.8 * 0.2 = 16% chance each of one wolf + one village --> *2 because 2 versions of this combo = 32% chance of either/or
0.2 * 0.2 = 4% chance both wolf

--------
.64 + .32 + .04 = 1

Pls, I just finished my last semester of statistics classes, I don't want to look at numbers

 

[PippyPony]

Pls, I just finished my last semester of statistics classes, I don't want to look at numbers

I put it in a spoiler!

 

[BobLoblaw78]

In fact @BobLoblaw78 from a numerical perspective it's more likely they're both village:

12/15 = 80% individual likelihood of village
3/15 = 20% individual likelihood of wolf

Again, I was coming from a plot armor perspective. I didn’t know if roles would be preselected or not tbh since it was practice but whatever. I didn’t realize it was RNG or not. But back to productive work

 

[genny]

Please enlighten me. I've only played with mel once and heard that he's difficult to read

He's not difficult to read, he has comfy pockets.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I don't follow the logic either and frankly I don't think anyone should be solid village reading me based on that particular string of posts he's referencing.

If I sus someone as wolf, I like to leave them as an ace in the hole. And watch how they behave to see if they unveil the other wolf.

Let’s play out you asking to be voted off:
1- We vote you D1. You were village and we wasted a vote
2- we vote a wolf or two off first couple of days and win game. You make it to end.
3- we don’t vote a wolf or two off and realize you may have actually been a wolf and vote you off D3 or D4
4- We vote you D1 and you were actually wolf. And you made a stupid move to ask to be voted off as a wolf.

I don’t think #4 is likely. I think #1 is a waste. I think #2 is unlikely. #3 seems most likely and I will play it out this way. I don’t see you making the end having made your statement. Too many villagers will get paranoid D4 to not remember this

 

[Aprilthearab]

He's not difficult to read, he has comfy pockets.

But what exactly makes you certain he's village?

 

[PippyPony]

4- We vote you D1 and you were actually wolf. And you made a stupid move to ask to be voted off as a wolf.

Well apparently not because it seems like a bunch of people are reading me at least slight village

 

[Aprilthearab]

If I sus someone as wolf, I like to leave them as an ace in the hole. And watch how they behave to see if they unveil the other wolf.

Let’s play out you asking to be voted off:
1- We vote you D1. You were village and we wasted a vote
2- we vote a wolf or two off first couple of days and win game. You make it to end.
3- we don’t vote a wolf or two off and realize you may have actually been a wolf and vote you off D3 or D4
4- We vote you D1 and you were actually wolf. And you made a stupid move to ask to be voted off as a wolf.

I don’t think #4 is likely. I think #1 is a waste. I think #2 is unlikely. #3 seems most likely and I will play it out this way. I don’t see you making the end having made your statement. Too many villagers will get paranoid D4 to not remember this

Same thing I said to Zenge yesterday about the Mayo deal, I think this is a lot more complicated than anyone would have thought out before choosing their strategy lol

The way I'm reading it - Pippy said she wants to die early because it's the last two weeks of vet school. Seems like a very legit reason. That alone is NAI, but it also means I don't think she's trying to pull some reverse psychology thing. I also think if she did rand wolf she would probably push through for the sake of her pack, so I want to lean that part of her play slightly village, if anything. Not ready to put her in my village reads but that's how I'm reading her wanting to die

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Sunshine- makes more sense and seems different meta then when they were wolf.
Vis- making a lot of logical sense
Zenge-seems very touchy and defensive.
Genny- seems like normal self
April- seems sus with saying weird vis entrance. And throwing sus at sunshine (said sun was manufacturing sus)
Pippy- I think village as much as it makes her suspect me
Cray- why is he an alternate in any game that has post limits!?! Seems normal so far
Bread, wildzoo- can’t tell
The others that are lurking are always more sus to me bc I would hang out in the shadows if I was wolf

 

[Zenge142]

Genny- seems like normal self
April- seems sus with saying weird vis entrance.

Ummmm.

Dislike your opening
Unyeet April
Yeet Vis

Seems to be an incongruity there.

 

[Aprilthearab]

April- seems sus with saying weird vis entrance. And throwing sus at sunshine (said sun was manufacturing sus)

Many wolves have been correctly IDed D1 because of their strange entrances, Vis included. Actually I was wolfing with her the one time she got sussed over a weird entrance. Again, the Sun manufacturing sus thing was a joke because she loves to say people are manufacturing sus and it was fun to say it back at her when she was throwing some weird sus on Dubz for an emoji.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Oh
Mayo- seems more involved. But anytime some one changes playing style, it causes sus. But I’m willing to give them a chance esp if they are helpful