Henry Stickmin - Game Thread

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Would he do that again, though, with how well that went for him in WoWP?
Hell if I know. Like I said, I wanted to throw him into the neutrals but we know there’s 3 total and if I had to choose, this pinged me.

The thing about it too, is that he placed it at the same time I was unyeeting Mayo. Which means if Pippy, Dubz, and April are all right, and the Zenge/Mayo interactions were v/v, then Bread was essentially creating a tie between two villagers.
 
Well, I was throwing a third reason out there and was being dramatic. I take back that I sus anyone that sus her. It just doesn’t help their case. My main point is that I like Vis logic and thoughts so far.

I haven’t kept up with every person that has sussed vis bc I don’t really base my main reads on that.

Your entrance reason pinged me so I watched you closely which didn’t help. Maybe a bit of confirmation bias.
I'm not a huge fan of the backtracking now that this reasoning isn't working out for you

If you say you're going to sus everyone who susses Vis, I would expect you to be aware of the people who have sussed Vis lol
 
Day 1 Yeet Tally
April () -
dubz (2) - Sporty, sunshine
Sporty (1) - Pippy
Bread (1) - mkg
Cray () -
Vis (1) - genny
Mel (1) - Vis
mayo (1) - Cray
Zenge (3) - mayo, Bob, Bread
genny (1) - dubz
Bob (3) - alley, April, Mel

14/15
yeet close in ~6 hours
 
Believe me, your play needed improvement. I usually vote you out of sheer frustration. I appreciate you trying to play straight or play more similar to MU style. My vote on you isn't because you're being more straight, not in the slightest.

But keep blaming it on that and working the guilt angle. The guilting is a #1 reason I can't justify pulling my vote now.
I disagree that there was anything inherently wrong with Mayo's previous play, people can play however they want and we were all adjusted to the way he played :shrug:

But I do agree with the bolded. My vote wasn't there because he was trying to play more straight, it was there because of how sus it was to throw out a naked vote and then defend it in two different ways at two different times for jokey and non-jokey reasons alike
 
Why genny over bob or bread?
Keep things interesting.

Breads driving so he’s not here to defend himself.

Bob, if he’s wolfing, is doing it for his first time, so I feel a little guilty about yeeting him D1 his first time out. He’s my strongest read of the 3 though, so I’ll move there if I need to depending how the day progresses.

If I’m right about Genny, then she is by far the most experienced, and thus most dangerous of the 3, so yeeting her over the other two seems more prudent.
 
Keep things interesting.

Breads driving so he’s not here to defend himself.

Bob, if he’s wolfing, is doing it for his first time, so I feel a little guilty about yeeting him D1 his first time out. He’s my strongest read of the 3 though, so I’ll move there if I need to depending how the day progresses.

If I’m right about Genny, then she is by far the most experienced, and thus most dangerous of the 3, so yeeting her over the other two seems more prudent.
Also to add to that, I feel the shakiest about Bread. So I would choose between Genny and Bob.
 
Bread- I was really tempted to just throw bread in the neutrals along with MK, Sporty, and Alley, but it’s the way he voted for me that pinged me. It’s like he never even stopped to consider the possibility that Mayo and I were v/v. He did this thing a lot in WoWP where he would use his vote to back up the vote of a fellow wolf. I feel like that’s maybe what he’s doing here with following Bob’s vote. Generally I would have just said I think there’s a wolf somewhere between Bread, MK, Sporty, or Alley, but having just wolfed with him, the way he placed this vote pinged me.
Hell if I know. Like I said, I wanted to throw him into the neutrals but we know there’s 3 total and if I had to choose, this pinged me.

The thing about it too, is that he placed it at the same time I was unyeeting Mayo. Which means if Pippy, Dubz, and April are all right, and the Zenge/Mayo interactions were v/v, then Bread was essentially creating a tie between two villagers.
I'm assuming this is what you're referring to in regards to bread
Totally breaking my post up since I have to head out soon.


Think there might be something between Zenge and Mayo but I am feeling like Mayo is most likely to be a villager. Mayo does a feel a little less like regular Mayo but he does seem to take this as more of a prep game rather than just a run of the mill game serious. And maybe jumping away from metas is the best thing we can do.
I will go with voting Zenge for now and maybe I can get some reading in while taking breaks.


###yeet zenge###
I am reading Mayo as village, not entirely sure about zenge. Feel safer preserving zenge and I am going to be stuck on the road for about 10ish hour in a bit
I don't really blame him for thinking you and mayo felt w/v, a lot of other people thought that too. It seems he hopped onto the thread before hitting the road and probably saw that interaction going down and everyone talking about it and didn't have the time to go back and consider someone else. I'd like to see how he feels once he's done driving and can catch up on the thread

Maybe I'm just remembering differently but I thought when we wolfed together last time, he intentionally seemed to do the opposite as us so that we weren't moving together as a group too much? I need to go back and see if Bob posted a read of Bread
 
I'm assuming this is what you're referring to in regards to bread



I don't really blame him for thinking you and mayo felt w/v, a lot of other people thought that too. It seems he hopped onto the thread before hitting the road and probably saw that interaction going down and everyone talking about it and didn't have the time to go back and consider someone else. I'd like to see how he feels once he's done driving and can catch up on the thread

Maybe I'm just remembering differently but I thought when we wolfed together last time, he intentionally seemed to do the opposite as us so that we weren't moving together as a group too much? I need to go back and see if Bob posted a read of Bread
Like I’ve said, knowing there’s three total, if I had to pick one, he’s my pick, but he’s the shakiest of my picks.

Bob said for Bread and Dubz he didn’t know at all. No read.
Bread, wildzoo- can’t tell
 
The cojones it takes to put Mel at the top of your village reads despite never having played with him before.... wow.
I specified the groups weren’t in order, so Mel isn’t “at the top”. Mel’s thread presence and contributions read village to me.
 
I was wondering who was going to give me **** for that lol.

I don’t think I honestly have a good reason.
Were you also wondering if anyone would give you **** for leaving your v/ status up in the air in that post?

I mean, I too make sure to state other people's assumptions about my own affiliation when I analyze my own actions, just in case they were wrong lol
 
If I’m right about Genny, then she is by far the most experienced, and thus most dangerous of the 3, so yeeting her over the other two seems more prudent.
This is incongruent with me changing my style and attracting more attention. I'm a good, experienced wolf, adept at hiding, so you figured me out right away. Yes, makes sense.
 
This is incongruent with me changing my style and attracting more attention. I'm a good, experienced wolf, adept at hiding, so you figured me out right away. Yes, makes sense.
I think his point is that if we think an experienced person is wolfing it's probably a better bet to yeet them over a noob who we think is wolfing

Makes sense. Take out the pack leader who provides guidance, and also give the noobs time to get on their feet in case they're just villagers who sound wolfy D1
 
Although @WildZoo the posts overnight critiquing the play style of players who I think are generally pretty darn good at being village is making me bump her more back towards village

I hate the way this paragraph sounds but oh well
Can you be more specific? Who?

I don't like the implication that I only seem village when you think my reads suck
 
This is incongruent with me changing my style and attracting more attention. I'm a good, experienced wolf, adept at hiding, so you figured me out right away. Yes, makes sense.
I don't know about Zenge's reasons, but I feel like the incongruence lies with you right now. Your voting and joke posts aren't really lining up with who you're suspicious of.
 
awww is someone a little jealous?
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You know what you’ve also done as a wolf? Pushed bad logic on thread (I.e. voting dubz based on an emoji), and then doubled down on it and tunneled when people started poking holes in your theory.

Besides her, what two other players would you consider voting today and why?

my n=1 on wolf!sunny is from the last game I played, so I recognize the tendency for recall bias. Does anyone have more data? Is this AI or just baseline?


I would appreciate expansion on what specifically pinged your radar.



Who else is on your suspicious list right now?

@Viscernable what are your thoughts on April?
I think it's baseline for Sunny. There comes a point where it's wolfy and AI for her, but that can be tough to call.
 
I don't like the implication that I only seem village when you think my reads suck
That's not what I said, and it's not what I meant. I think you are much more free with play style advice/opinions/etc when you're a villager. You also tend to aim that advice at people who match you in terms of being vocal and confident in their own style. Unfortunately that sometimes means you sometimes end up sussing people who are not afraid to say wolfy stuff.

When you're a wolf you don't want to rock the boat so much, so I feel like you don't initiate those lines of discussion so often.
 
Sunshine- makes more sense and seems different meta then when they were wolf.
Vis- making a lot of logical sense
Zenge-seems very touchy and defensive.
Genny- seems like normal self
April- seems sus with saying weird vis entrance. And throwing sus at sunshine (said sun was manufacturing sus)
Pippy- I think village as much as it makes her suspect me
Cray- why is he an alternate in any game that has post limits!?! Seems normal so far
Bread, wildzoo- can’t tell
The others that are lurking are always more sus to me bc I would hang out in the shadows if I was wolf
This reads list reads kinda wolfy. Full of truisms and less with AI
 
I want to see more from Mayo and think about it more before I decide if he's playing to his wolf meta or just a villager changing up his play style.

Unyeet Mayo
Yeet Bob
Agreed.

#### unyeet Mayo ###

#### yeet Bob ####

Plus I don't feel like voting with Bob or Bread on anyone
 
I almost don't want to say this because I feel like I'm going to shoot myself in the foot... but I think if I were a wolf and saw a villager say "yo wolves, early death plz," I would village read that person and then night kill them.

Just saying.
Nah. I would almost assume that person doesn't have a PR (and if they really give a damn about village team's wincon wouldn't be skirting death on purpose) and that they might make a great misyeet if they aren't NK'd, sus may build on them and they may be too checked out to defend well. That plus likely lack of PR makes such a player possibly great for end game or safe to leave alive for a bit. I know this implicates me, but a wolf could invoke LIS rule and vote them with impunity. I'm not doing that, yet, I have wolfier concerns elsewhere besides inappropriate wishes for death (if coming from a villager).

As a wolf making NK choices I would still wonder if asking for a NK was WIFOM and if the person still had a PR. There's enough wolves that will kill villagers on request that it makes it a pretty ballsy strat for a PR. The more I believed the request was sincere for death, the more comfortable I would feel putting the kill off though.

Never NK what you think you can get misyeeted. *Especially* likely vanillagers. Also villagers that ask for death tend to get sussed and often don't go on to be great village leaders where the rest of village looks to them for guidance.

If you're village and this wasn't a reaction test, then you've given the wolves a great gift. If you're wolfy perhaps the WIFOM will pay off. Or get you yeeted eventually I dunno.
 
It really didn't. I'm nominating Mayo for best villager this year actually.

His reads and reasoning are awesome and he has fun at the same time. I wish more people played like that.
Half the time I can't make out what he really thinks, but sure. I can think of lots of other players that are communicative and have fun too, and good reads. Dubz, genny, April, come to mind right away. Mayo is quite far from best villager in my mind just because of his constant BS. He regularly almost gets yeeted just for posting nonsense, and the worst thing he does is not answer *direct* questions when he's a villager ffs. Playing one game well as a neutral 3P also hardly qualifies one for best villager either. But yanno, people can nom or vote whoever they want.
 
If you're village and this wasn't a reaction test, then you've given the wolves a great gift. If you're wolfy perhaps the WIFOM will pay off. Or get you yeeted eventually I dunno.
Fine fine, you got me, it was all a reaction test. As long as I'm gone by approximately Wednesday, mmk?
 
Half the time I can't make out what he really thinks, but sure. I can think of lots of other players that are communicative and have fun too, and good reads. Dubz, genny, April, come to mind right away. Mayo is quite far from best villager in my mind just because of his constant BS. He regularly almost gets yeeted just for posting nonsense, and the worst thing he does is not answer *direct* questions when he's a villager ffs. Playing one game well as a neutral 3P also hardly qualifies one for best villager either. But yanno, people can nom or vote whoever they want.
🤷🏼‍♀️ I just think you're wrong. I got to see his logic & evaluation process behind the scenes in England and imo it's one of the main reasons why village won that game.
 
I think his point is that if we think an experienced person is wolfing it's probably a better bet to yeet them over a noob who we think is wolfing

Makes sense. Take out the pack leader who provides guidance, and also give the noobs time to get on their feet in case they're just villagers who sound wolfy D1
It only backfires if we're wrong, that could mean killing off an experienced villager, and keeping noob villagers. But point taken
 
Sigh. I don't feel lately, especially with decently experienced players, that we've had much luck playing this little reaction test game where we try to draw out who seems overly convinced some other player is village.
You literally just said 40 min ago that you're creeped out by people saying others are village
 
That's not what I said, and it's not what I meant. I think you are much more free with play style advice/opinions/etc when you're a villager. You also tend to aim that advice at people who match you in terms of being vocal and confident in their own style. Unfortunately that sometimes means you sometimes end up sussing people who are not afraid to say wolfy stuff.

When you're a wolf you don't want to rock the boat so much, so I feel like you don't initiate those lines of discussion so often.
Ah well I like this and think it's a good read of my meta. No matter how well/not well I may cover it up, I definitely subjectively always feel a pressure not to rock the boat too much when I wolf.
 
@WildZoo is this the genny way? I can’t read genny ever
Eh, not quite. I'll let you know if I see it. It's not always just a single post but a flavor in general. I think she was hinting that she was intentionally changing her tone up a bit anyway for MU srs bizness reasons (whether that's true or just to cover wolfiness, :shrug: ) so might not be useful this game.
 
You literally just said 40 min ago that you're creeped out by people saying others are village
Yes, but the game where someone tries to draw it out of someone vs just noting where it happens is different. I feel like wolfy slips happen most where a known (to the wolf) villager DOESN'T say "Oh gee how can you be so sure they're village?" Like, when a wolf is put on the spot to read someone and they know they're on the spot they know to be more careful than that.

That's why I'm more suspicious of village reads that come unprompted and seem based in very little. But the little game that some people do doesn't make any sense to me. Even noob wolves know not to take that bait 99% of the time.
 
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