Highest USMLE score? Lowest?

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Now that we are almost done the match, let's see what the range of board scores is for applying to neuro this year!!

Highest I have heard: 269
Mine: 265
Lowest I have heard: 196
 
While I see the benefit in this line of discussion, I would like to short-circuit this thread. The board score is just one tiny element of the whole picture. I think we are all a community, and getting into the who-has-more-publications or who-scored-best-on-the-USMLE discussion is counterproductive. I don't want any MS3s to read this and think "I am not competitive". Anyone who loves neurology can do well in the match.

I say we put off this discussion until after the match. Then we can be honest about how we stack up, and where we ended up. That will be more useful than causing anxiety now...

Gopher
 
This is aggravating.

I see this board as a public space for those who a) love neurology or b) are looking for information about how to pursue a career in neurology.

Jacksonian march, you need to take a good hard look at yourself and ask why you want to establish a board score pecking order with a bunch of virtual colleagues.

You're ruining the environment for the rest of us.

I'm not interested in what you got, how smart you are, or how many programs are dying to have you. I'm not your mother.

Get over yourself, and readjust your attitude and priorities. You'll like yourself better.
 
scared sh*tless said:
This is aggravating.

I see this board as a public space for those who a) love neurology or b) are looking for information about how to pursue a career in neurology.

Jacksonian march, you need to take a good hard look at yourself and ask why you want to establish a board score pecking order with a bunch of virtual colleagues.

You're ruining the environment for the rest of us.

I'm not interested in what you got, how smart you are, or how many programs are dying to have you. I'm not your mother.

Get over yourself, and readjust your attitude and priorities. You'll like yourself better.

You all need to chill out.... I did not start this thread in order to dissuade people from feeling inadequate or insecure.... quite the contrary, I am trying to give future applicants a range of scores of individuals that go into neurology... so that they know, "hey, if I have a 190, I can get into neuro and be happy" and also "hey, I got a 250, which is a really good score, but I don't 'have to' go for ophtho or derm, there are tons of people with high board scores going into neuro too... and I can be happy!"
 
jacksonianmarch said:
You all need to chill out.... I did not start this thread in order to dissuade people from feeling inadequate or insecure.... quite the contrary, I am trying to give future applicants a range of scores of individuals that go into neurology... so that they know, "hey, if I have a 190, I can get into neuro and be happy" and also "hey, I got a 250, which is a really good score, but I don't 'have to' go for ophtho or derm, there are tons of people with high board scores going into neuro too... and I can be happy!"

Alright, then, I am glad to hear that this is not turning into something too crazy. Listen, I have to admit that this thread and the "calls from program directors" thread are incredibly intimidating, and sort of make me NOT want to talk on the forum. I feel badly for people who do just drop in on the site, look at that and say, oh crap, my #1 (whatever school it is) didn't call me, i totally suck and now i wont rank it. the thing is, we very much need to be careful about how we word things. on some level im glad this is all anonymous, although with some sneaky detective work im sure it wouldnt be too difficult to find out who is who. we should be honest, of course, but not try to intimidate others. jm, i do believe you had good intentions. however, you have to realize that if you start this thread, and then sort of set it up by putting a board score for yourself that you KNOW is extremely high, then people are going to think youre just starting the thread to show off. anyway, i dont want to fight with you because, honestly, im very impressed and you know, now i understand why you got so many incredible interviews, and im sure you will do well. it is hard to disregard a score that high.

regardless, that said-- i agree with what gopher said above. the board score is just one piece of a very large picture, of which i think that personality, diversity, clinical grades and recommendations count much more. i personally think that the board score may have been used as a strict who-to-invite-for-interviews cut-off. in which case, i would like to assure everyone that i have heard of people getting only the national average, and getting interviews at mayo, cleveland clinic, and hopkins, just to name a few, since --well-- that person is me.
and really, i think ill be just fine.
 
To scared: now that you know his board score and the top 4 programs whose program directors called him, you can easily call these 4 places with his board score and let them know what a respectful colleague he will be in the future. Alas, who is to say that no one has already?

However, I've been finding what jacksonian march posts to be somewhat odd. He has only posted generic impressions of programs quoting exactly what others have said. He has interviewed at a million places which is logistically not likely, and he keeps on asking unrealistic questions (if you've been called by UCSF and MGH, you don't rank Utah - that is just a straightforward thought process). Does anyone else question that he is even applying/interviewing this year?
 
tofurious said:
Does anyone else question that he is even applying/interviewing this year?

His posts sound genuine to me. I know another applicant who has interviewed at 20+ programs all over the country. You need to take a lot of vacation time
or be "off-cycle" with your classmates to pull it off but it is certainly possible given the number of programs that continue to interview into Jan. I think the exercise of ranking Jacksonian's list is somewhat odd. I think we are all looking for similar qualities in programs but it comes down to important differences that ultimately guide our final list. Good luck everyone. I'm so not stressed out about the match. I feel like I am in the drivers seat. I have no clear #1 and would be happy at a number of programs.
 
Unfortunately, nowhere that I am aware of, can anybody find stats on average board scores and specialties. I think people become too neurotic (no pun inteded). Not just at this forum, but everywhere, look around, I see it all of the time,

"I got a score of X, so should I even bother trying, etc etc"

My opinion, you want something, go for it!! It is at least worth a try, board scores help, but going to a place, doing a great rotation, and getting a LOR from faculty at your desired program helps the most!!

I do see jacksonianmarch idea here, but, I think that people considering neuro ought to just go for it, no matter what, it is not a competitive area right now (mediocre pay, sometimes long hours).

Myself, my heart goes out to all of you. I am in the military, so I already matched and know my fate. For the rest of you that will not know until the spring, hang in there and good luck!!!
 
tofurious said:
To scared: now that you know his board score and the top 4 programs whose program directors called him, you can easily call these 4 places with his board score and let them know what a respectful colleague he will be in the future. Alas, who is to say that no one has already?

However, I've been finding what jacksonian march posts to be somewhat odd. He has only posted generic impressions of programs quoting exactly what others have said. He has interviewed at a million places which is logistically not likely, and he keeps on asking unrealistic questions (if you've been called by UCSF and MGH, you don't rank Utah - that is just a straightforward thought process). Does anyone else question that he is even applying/interviewing this year?

looks like ill have interviewed at 22 places then this is all done (prelim+ neuro), its possible. ive had off, essentially from the end of october through jan 18th..doing some emg stuff right now inthe lab but still, much free time, though i couldnt have afforded or coordinated all the places he went...

i got a 137 on step 1 and a 143 on step 2
 
scm said:
i got a 137 on step 1 and a 143 on step 2

Probably meant 237, 243?
 
I am still waiting to hear JM ask everyone to rank his 120+ prelim programs...
 
bustbones26 said:
I do see jacksonianmarch idea here, but, I think that people considering neuro ought to just go for it, no matter what, it is not a competitive area right now (mediocre pay, sometimes long hours).

Let's not get the wrong idea here. Board scores are important for neuro.
Yeah, there are probably enough neuro spots for every US med student applying this year and so neuro is termed non-competitive. However, for the top 15 programs, it is highly competitive with board scores counting for a whole lot more. In fact, from what I have heard on the interview trail, this year may be the most competitive in recent history.
 
yeah, there were a few programs where they flipped through my chart in front of me, and wrote down my board score on the side..the chair at UWashington did this, in front of me, right away as we began talking-it was my first interview there of 4 or 5, and it made me not very excited to be there.. (i was joking above about my score)

i havent heard anything about this yr being more competitive etc...i guess the PD at Michigan said they had really strong people this yr in the 30 or so they interviewed.. i think sometimes when PDs/Chairs say this stuff its often BS or an exaggeration , comes from other motives (i.e. scare you into ranking us highly)..who knows.
 
Hi all...

I just tuned into this thread, and wanted to reiterate what others have said.... for any of you who are in the process of considering potential residency choices and are using the information you see posted here, or anywhere for that matter, to help you discern how "competitive" you are, how "competitive" a program is, etc., please keep in mind that everything here is completely subjective. Apart from a few facts thrown about, our impressions about programs, program directors, phone calls, and the like, are greatly influenced by our own personal biases and ambitions. Since it was not too long ago that I was beginning this whole interview process myself, I do see some rationale behind JM's starting this thread -- I definitely sought out information regarding how "competitive" I needed to be in terms of scores/school/etc. when I began seriously considering neurology and, as long as this information is taken with a grain of salt and it is recognized that grades are, indeed, just one tiny part of the big picture, I think it can continue to be very beneficial for future applicants. Anyone thinking of going this route -- you are in good company... neurology is an incredible field with incredible people, and I don't think you'll be disappointed.

And for those of you, like me, who are now in the tedious process of ranking our lists... let's just try to remember that this forum is much like the conversations we have been having on the interview trail: "oh, so you interviewed there? how did you like it? i heard this/that/the other thing... what do you think of that?". It's just a way to get some insight. It's been difficult for me, especially at my last couple of interviews when I don't have the energy I did at the beginning of the interview season, to really go all-out and get a good sense of the programs in a few hours on interview day. So, sometimes, reading little comments made by future colleagues, however vague or generic they may be, help to trigger personal memories or initial impressions I have had of programs, and so have proven to be helpful and appreciated. Again, it's subjective. Had I taken every word written here to heart, I never would have interviewed at Georgetown.... having actually gone on the interview there, I can say it was one of the most pleasant experiences I have had. Just an example. But we're all looking for different things, we all get different "vibes", and when it comes right down to it -- we're all going to be great neurologists at the end of the day, no matter where we train. Programs don't make physicians. People do. At this point, it comes down to our character and determination to make the best of any program we match at. And that's the bottom line.

As for my rank list -- I'm ranking everything. 16 in total. I honestly haven't found a program where I'd rather be unmatched than train there. As for the order, it's probably going end up being based largely on "gut" feel. Sorry I can't be more calculated than that, but I've personally tried to sift through the major differences between some of these places and it's not easy to quantify. Are the residents happy/Were you happy on interview day... these should be the big questions, in my perspective.

BEST OF LUCK to everyone! The end is in sight!

:luck:
 
scm said:
yeah, there were a few programs where they flipped through my chart in front of me, and wrote down my board score on the side..the chair at UWashington did this, in front of me, right away as we began talking-it was my first interview there of 4 or 5, and it made me not very excited to be there.. (i was joking above about my score)

i havent heard anything about this yr being more competitive etc...i guess the PD at Michigan said they had really strong people this yr in the 30 or so they interviewed.. i think sometimes when PDs/Chairs say this stuff its often BS or an exaggeration , comes from other motives (i.e. scare you into ranking us highly)..who knows.


Just to follow up on your second paragraph regarding this year being more competitive... Several of the programs I interviewed at said overall apps were WAY up this year, including at Michigan. However, I was also told that programs are tending to keep their "number of applicants interviewed" static. So while the applicant pool is perhaps stronger, clearing the interview hurdle at all or most of your schools should still carry roughly the same weight as in past years. For what it's worth, my med school usually matches 1 grad into Neuro--we've got 6 this year...

Also, to speak to the original point of this wandering thread, I really appreciate the fact that this forum exists, having only stumbled upon it a few days ago. In order to preserve the collegiality we all *should* feel for one another, please don't post board scores. It's gauche, sophomoric, and a sentiment best left in the stone ages when cavemen regularly engaged in pissing contests...
 
famousCFC said:
please don't post board scores. It's gauche, sophomoric, and a sentiment best left in the stone ages when cavemen regularly engaged in pissing contests...

Well said. I guess some people just see themselves only as a number.
 
funny story..

i just finished another pre-lim interview.. and during the interview.. i gave my interviewer my step two scores..

basicaclly.. my step one scores were avg.. and my step two scores rocked..

when he saw me saw step two score.. he basically said i score as high as the FMGs in the program who teach only towards the board exams.. 😱 :laugh:
 
AznTrojan-MS said:
funny story..

i just finished another pre-lim interview.. and during the interview.. i gave my interviewer my step two scores..

basicaclly.. my step one scores were avg.. and my step two scores rocked..

when he saw me saw step two score.. he basically said i score as high as the FMGs in the program who teach only towards the board exams.. 😱 :laugh:

what did he mean by that? sorry, my brain isn't functioning right now, i don't get it. 😳
 
drgirl said:
what did he mean by that? sorry, my brain isn't functioning right now, i don't get it. 😳

many of the internal med FMGs at that particular location had really high board scores.. so the interviewer was complimenting me on my board scores by comparing me to a FMG.. 😉
 
Yeh man, your a stud with your step 2 score. Cool. Your my idol.

P.S. I don't know why I read this dribble, I guess it speaks to my inate human interest in the obsurd. Kind of like how everyone slows down in their cars when passing a car wreck.
 
syrinx said:
In fact, from what I have heard on the interview trail, this year may be the most competitive in recent history.

*L* This reminds me of reading my undergraduate school paper. When I was a freshman, there was this article about how my freshman class was the strongest ever (best SATs, etc). The next year, there was nearly the same article, about how the new class was the best ever. Sure enough, same thing my junior year, and then again when I was a senior...

I bet that more years than not everyone goes on and on about the strength of the applicant group. 😀
 
I actually support this type of thread, it's voluntary. But I suggest we share after the match. I think I'd be comfortable listing everything then. I do think many of the top 10-20 programs use step score/grade cutoffs when screening applicants (probably unofficially with several exceptions, but what else can they use in granting interviews to people they don't knowk - I'm sure most have excellent recs and a somewhat similar list of other accomplishments).

Also it will help people decide what schools to target for applying, interviewing. This all is expensive for most of us non-workers here.
 
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