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How badly do MCAT retakes affect your application? I'm registered for the November 7th MCAT but at the rate I'm going (with trying to understand content…I don't remember anything! and school…) I feel like I won't be fully prepared by then.
I could technically postpone my exam to January but then, if I did do terrible, I wouldn't be able to retake anymore…it would be the new test. It's a lot of pressure just thinking about it.
Should I go ahead and take it in November expecting to not do so great and then retake in January? By that time, I would have a general idea of the MCAT exam structure and experience too right? I think I'd also be more calm taking the Nov. MCAT knowing that I still have another chance if I don't do well.
Help me decide please! Pros/cons advice about this decision are greatly appreciated! @Goro @gyngyn @hushcom @Catalystik @LizzyM I'd love some adcom input too!
Too many people are fussing about this change like the exam is going to be written in Korean.
Why are retakes allowed in the first place, anyways? As much as they claim it's a critical thinking test, it's really not. It's a subject exam. Retakes = extra time to study for a subject exam = unfair
Why are retakes allowed in the first place, anyways? As much as they claim it's a critical thinking test, it's really not. It's a subject exam. Retakes = extra time to study for a subject exam = unfair
Why are retakes allowed in the first place, anyways? As much as they claim it's a critical thinking test, it's really not. It's a subject exam. Retakes = extra time to study for a subject exam = unfair
I don't think that either of you have been exposed to real critical thinking tests, yet.
You should go grab a copy of the usmle prep books sometime to see what I mean.
I don't think that either of you have been exposed to real critical thinking tests, yet.
You should go grab a copy of the usmle prep books sometime to see what I mean.
Too many people are fussing about this change like the exam is going to be written in Korean. It's not and you do have time to prepare.
I can actually answer a few of the questions in the USMLE books. You are comparing apples and oranges my friend. I knew medical students who said the USMLE made more sense than the MCAT.
Maybe you can, and good for you. But as long as the MCAT has free standing and easy q's, it's a subject exam. I was just reading someone's story in the school specific forum about not getting any IIs last year, retaking the MCAT, and getting IIs this year. That's not fair to other students, IMO. If nothing else changes in this person's file besides their study hours for chemistry, biology, and physics classes they've already taken, how does this make them more qualified for medical school? That's what I'm getting at. And it sounds like the adcoms are saying the same thing that I am.
Maybe you can, and good for you. But as long as the MCAT has free standing and easy q's, it's a subject exam. I was just reading someone's story in the school specific forum about not getting any IIs last year, retaking the MCAT, and getting IIs this year. That's not fair to other students, IMO. If nothing else changes in this person's file besides their study hours for chemistry, biology, and physics classes they've already taken, how does this make them more qualified for medical school? That's what I'm getting at. And it sounds like the adcoms are saying the same thing that I am.
It was in the last AAMC booklet on interpreting the MCAT.I recall seeing a stat that 40% of MCAT test takers are retaking it. Of course, can't find that information now, but seems like a lot of folks retake the MCAT.
However, I recommend you try to do it only once (it is a soul sucking endeavor). Taking 2- 4 months to restudy for a second time isn't worth it. Good Luck.
Thanks, knew I saw it somewhere. Still more than once really takes a lot of extra effort. Do it right the first time!! However, if it doesn't go your way, I think you have some good company with folks retaking it. My sister is retaking, but with an accommodation for the second time. Not optimal, and watching her go through the studying again is just painful to watch. Best wishes to all.It was in the last AAMC booklet on interpreting the MCAT.
Why are retakes allowed in the first place, anyways? As much as they claim it's a critical thinking test, it's really not. It's a subject exam. Retakes = extra time to study for a subject exam = unfair
Life's not fair. We also believe that people can and do improve themselves. As ruthlessly competitive MD admissions are, I think they'd cut off a lot of qualified applicants if they were only allowed to one crack at the MCAT. By your logic, non-trad students are unfair because they also get more time to get it right.
The story of someone taking MCAT, scoring a, say 30, retaking and scoring 30 again (or a 31) and then being offered an interview doesn't sound right. There are probably more things going on than that.
Just as an aside and to get this off the table, while I don't know what MCAT is asking these days, I can tell you that both COMLEX and USMLE do NOT test on brute memory. You need to think through two or even three levels. For example:
A man presents with X, Y and Z symptoms. He is a diabetic and takes A, and B for his for his diabetes. Which of the following medications is contraindicated?
OR
A man presents with X, Y and Z symptoms. You would diagnose____?
OR
A man presents with X, Y and Z symptoms. You would treat him with ___?
No, life isn't fair. And we will see what we see when boards come around and people that retook the mcat, spent thousands on review courses, etc get their scores.
There are a number of decent studies that show that poor MCAT performance, meaning results <25 correlates with failing boards. That deosn't mean that someone who got a 25 and them got a 33 does poorly...just that a 1x test taker with a score <25 does poorly. I have yet to see any data that shows someone with an avg'd score that's >25 or so does poorly on Boards.
What kills my students on Boards is poor performance in med school, period.
Am I getting a whiff of jealousy there?
No need to namedrop.I knew someone that took the Princeton review and Kaplan classes twice, each, got a 35, and barely matched is all I'm saying.
Edit: I wish that you guys would try a little harder. This is thickening my skin for a talk I'm having tomorrow with an emeritus prof at Harvard medical school and the dean of research at UCD, tomorrow. Oh, and I was told that I should check out Carib med schools by one of those guys for having a 30. I'm shaking, here...
I knew someone that took the Princeton review and Kaplan classes twice, each, got a 35, and barely matched is all I'm saying.
Edit: I wish that you guys would try a little harder. This is thickening my skin for a talk I'm having tomorrow with an emeritus prof at Harvard medical school and the dean of research at UCD, tomorrow. Oh, and I was told that I should check out Carib med schools by one of those guys for having a 30. I'm shaking, here...
I knew someone that took the Princeton review and Kaplan classes twice, each, got a 35, and barely matched is all I'm saying.
Edit: I wish that you guys would try a little harder. This is thickening my skin for a talk I'm having tomorrow with an emeritus prof at Harvard medical school and the dean of research at UCD, tomorrow. Oh, and I was told that I should check out Carib med schools by one of those guys for having a 30. I'm shaking, here...
Realistically, if someone with a strong application retakes a 25 MCAT and gets 34+, how much will the lower MCAT hurt the application (on a scale of 1-10, with 1 = it doesn't matter and 10 = instant rejection)
Edit: I should add, for mid/high tier schools
I know what you mean Goro. He asking Harvard adcoms, a place where a 36 score is the average. Wrong people to ask for getting into medical school in general.
Is the information in this thread still true? The information is like ten years old but it might partially answer OP's question. http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...ple-mcat-scores-vs-best-set-of-scores.119179/
I've had a series of unfortunate events befall on my mcat. The first time a family member fell off a ladder and was in critical condition the day before and the second time was sick and hit on the way to the exam and should have voided. I have a nearly perfect GPA. S*** happens. I hope I'm not turned away because of this but it's certainly helped me become more resilient.
N =1 doesn't count.
But a 30 MCAT score is fine, and competitive for many schools. OK, Harvard and Yale, no, but UCD? Yes, especially if you're committed to serving the Central Valley.
It's a critical thinking test, but it's also very much a content test. If you don't have solid content knowledge, you're not getting >10 on a section. Case in point: 13 V and 12 PS, but a 10 in BS because my bio knowledge was lacking.
Really? Will a 30 MCAT get me into an MD school somewhere considering my GPA (3.76+), research and EC's were okay? I feel like a 30 is not enough these days and prompts a faster rejection =(
That's a great score! Would you mind sharing what practice materials you used?
Taking 3 gap years to study for the test one time is not extra time?Why are retakes allowed in the first place, anyways? As much as they claim it's a critical thinking test, it's really not. It's a subject exam. Retakes = extra time to study for a subject exam = unfair
Really? Will a 30 MCAT get me into an MD school somewhere considering my GPA (3.76+), research and EC's were okay? I feel like a 30 is not enough these days and prompts a faster rejection =(
Taking 3 gap years to study for the test one time is not extra time?