How do you guys feel about the piracy issues with bnb, sketchy, etc?

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Do you feel like the high price justifies it? Is it amoral no matter what? Do you think if they lowered the price but went after shared accounts that would be more fair? What's your take on the issue.

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I'm fortunate enough to have a grant that covers educational expenses like BnB.

Do I think the creator(s) of BnB, Sketchy, etc deserve compensation for their work? For sure.
Would I report someone for pirating it? Absolutely not, and I would go as far as to say it's not immoral to pirate/share either.
 
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Do I think the creator(s) of BnB, Sketchy, etc deserve compensation for their work? For sure.
Would I report someone for pirating it? Absolutely not, and I would go as far as to say it's not immoral to pirate/share either.

These are kind of contradictory. If the creators deserve compensation for their work then how is depriving them of that by pirating not immoral? I mean it quite literally is stealing... Is stealing not immoral to you?
 
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I honestly don’t care, just like I don’t care about people pirating movies. It’s the least of things I’m interested in putting my energy towards worrying about. It seems like a waste of energy to virtue single for million dollar companies not getting every single subscriber possible due to pirating.
 
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These are kind of contradictory. If the creators deserve compensation for their work then how is depriving them of that by pirating not immoral? I mean it quite literally is stealing... Is stealing not immoral to you?
Just butting in here. Students come from a large spectrum of economic backgrounds. For those with parents who are not financing their educations, I see pirating material as a moral equivalent to stealing bread to feed yourself. It helps poor students compete in this crazy competitive space and levels the playing field against richer students, who can afford vastly more and better quality resources. And then you have idiots like me who didn't think they needed 3rd party resources until way late in the game 🫠

I would hope that a few people maybe pay or donate a copy some time in the future after graduating. Consider it an alumni donation lol.


My question is, does the 'artist deserves compensation' still apply to BnB, now that it has been sold to McGraw Hill?
 
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These are kind of contradictory. If the creators deserve compensation for their work then how is depriving them of that by pirating not immoral? I mean it quite literally is stealing... Is stealing not immoral to you?
Not particularly, I don't consider it a black-and-white thing.
 
Not taking a position either way but Why would it matter now that it’s owned by a big company. Average people, 401ks, pensions etc own stock in big companies too
 
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Just butting in here. Students come from a large spectrum of economic backgrounds. For those with parents who are not financing their educations, I see pirating material as a moral equivalent to stealing bread to feed yourself. It helps poor students compete in this crazy competitive space and levels the playing field against richer students, who can afford vastly more and better quality resources. And then you have idiots like me who didn't think they needed 3rd party resources until way late in the game 🫠

I would hope that a few people maybe pay or donate a copy some time in the future after graduating. Consider it an alumni donation lol.


My question is, does the 'artist deserves compensation' still apply to BnB, now that it has been sold to McGraw Hill?

Most med students take out loans for school. Not all, but most. Frankly I believe stealing bread to feed yourself is still stealing, but I guess you got to do what you got to do. Or get a job and pay for your bread like everyone else. And to answer your last question, yes. McGraw HIll purchased the company from Dr. Ryan expecting an appropriate return on their investment. Stealing it from them is no different from stealing it from Dr. Ryan.
 
Or get a job and pay for your bread like everyone else.
Not going to get into this debate here, will happily take it to DMs as it's not really relevant to OPs post, but if you think people are choosing to steal bread over "getting a job like everyone else" I'm sorry but you really lack perspective on what it means to be homeless or in poverty.
 
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Stealing is wrong. However, whatever your stance, I would recommend not posting pirated slides on social media on an account linked to your real name...

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Not going to get into this debate here, will happily take it to DMs as it's not really relevant to OPs post, but if you think people are choosing to steal bread over "getting a job like everyone else" I'm sorry but you really lack perspective on what it means to be homeless or in poverty.
Nope. There is no excuse for stealing
 
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That’d be an ultimate gunner move - report a fellow student to the school with evidence of using stolen third party study materials.
 
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I might get hammered for this opinion, but bear with me.

Medical professionals are expected to have a high moral compass and strong ethical decision making. The fact that we see these types of threads pop up every now and then that not only tolerate but at times endorse questionable ethics frustrates me. This includes piracy, stealing, cheating, etc. Particularly with piracy, when I was able to get every resource I needed for free through the school’s library. This included board review texts, course specific text books, rotation specific resources, and electronic copies. It didn’t cost money or involve piracy. They are available.

The other frustration is the thought that it doesn’t hurt anyone, when it absolutely can and does. Cheating can lead to unprepared physicians, improper training, medical mistakes that affect patients, and higher malpractice that affects other physicians. I have also seen patients from someone that was doing questionably unethical treatments for patients. Then the physician retired and these patients are frustrated because other doctors won’t do those unethical things. Again affecting patient care and other physicians.

I would hope that my the residents and students that rotate with me recognize these ethical insufficiencies and work to correct them.

Sure, it’s not black or white, but there are things that we shouldn’t be expected to compromise on.
 
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I might get hammered for this opinion, but bear with me.

Medical professionals are expected to have a high moral compass and strong ethical decision making. The fact that we see these types of threads pop up every now and then that not only tolerate but at times endorse questionable ethics frustrates me. This includes piracy, stealing, cheating, etc. Particularly with piracy, when I was able to get every resource I needed for free through the school’s library. This included board review texts, course specific text books, rotation specific resources, and electronic copies. It didn’t cost money or involve piracy. They are available.

The other frustration is the thought that it doesn’t hurt anyone, when it absolutely can and does. Cheating can lead to unprepared physicians, improper training, medical mistakes that affect patients, and higher malpractice that affects other physicians. I have also seen patients from someone that was doing questionably unethical treatments for patients. Then the physician retired and these patients are frustrated because other doctors won’t do those unethical things. Again affecting patient care and other physicians.

I would hope that my the residents and students that rotate with me recognize these ethical insufficiencies and work to correct them.

Sure, it’s not black or white, but there are things that we shouldn’t be expected to compromise on.
You cry every time someone steals a candy bar from Walmart? Some things just aren’t worth being upset over. If these services want to crackdown on pirating they have money and avenues to do so. Leave big business problems to big businesses is my attitude. I’m not gona feel guilty about not caring about someone pirating. Some things just aren’t that serious and not everything is a high level moral threat.
 
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You cry every time someone steals a candy bar from Walmart? Some things just aren’t worth being upset over. If these services want to crackdown on pirating they have money and avenues to do so. Leave big business problems to big businesses is my attitude. I’m not gona feel guilty about not caring about someone pirating. Some things just aren’t that serious and not everything is a high level moral threat.
My stance was regarding medical professionals, not stealing everything, including candy bars from Walmart. We’re talking about people that are supposed to be movers and shakers. I think it’s reasonable to expect people in the medical community to be held to a higher standard.
 
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My stance was regarding medical professionals, not stealing everything, including candy bars from Walmart. We’re talking about people that are supposed to be movers and shakers. I think it’s reasonable to expect people in the medical community to be held to a higher standard.
The subject of conversation is literally about pirating expensive educational medical school materials. It’s a million dollar business and similar to people stealing from Walmart honestly. They aren’t hurting for money. People can have a high moral compass and still not care about things being pirated. Idk how you equate or compare pirating to unethical and potentially dangerous medical treatment. That’s super dramatic and someone being ok with pirating doesn’t mean they don’t have a high moral compass or don’t hold themselves to a high standard. People love blowing things out of proportion though.
 
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It doesn't upset me that people do it, I have better things to worry about. But my opinion is that it is still wrong. Also whether or not the person you are stealing from is "hurting for money" makes absolutely no difference in whether it is okay to do it.
 
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It doesn't upset me that people do it, I have better things to worry about. But my opinion is that it is still wrong. Also whether or not the person you are stealing from is "hurting for money" makes absolutely no difference in whether it is okay to do it.
I agree with you 100%. I just don’t care to berate people pirating nor do I think it’s some huge moral failing on their part if they do pirate. There’s just so much more important stuff to worry about in the world than pirating 😐
 
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I agree with you 100%. I just don’t care to berate people pirating or think it’s some huge moral failing on their part if they do pirate. There’s just so much more important stuff to worry about in the world than pirating 😐
I’ve been around long enough to know that these discussions in on online forum are essentially pointless. No one will ever change their minds and it feels like people yell a berate through texts. I also know that every decision we make has moral implications. For example, I drank from a disposable water bottle today, I’m typing this on an iPhone, I’m wearing adidas shoes. All of these have ramifications (bad for the environment, exploitation, and what not). And we’ve all made compromises on a moral level for these conveniences.

Again, my suggestion is that med students, residents, and doctors should be held to a higher standard. And maybe that standard is simply recognizing that our actions affect more people than we initially think. Piracy, cheating, immorality, and poor ethical decisions will continue to be made. I think it’s worth at least looking at how our decisions impact others, because I’m sure it affects more that just the billion dollar corporations.
 
These are kind of contradictory. If the creators deserve compensation for their work then how is depriving them of that by pirating not immoral? I mean it quite literally is stealing... Is stealing not immoral to you?
I don't think it's contradictory. I think you can create a product and the way you distribute it you can put whatever security mechanisms you want. However, once the product is purchased, it becomes The property of the owner to do with it as they see fit. If your product is such that it can be replicated, that is your own bad luck. I wouldn't say that I'm stealing if I make a photocopy of a page from a book in the library. In fact, most libraries have copy machines. If I obtain a copy from someone, that's my own private transaction with that person and not your business. Do you understand now?
 
I don't think it's contradictory. I think you can create a product and the way you distribute it you can put whatever security mechanisms you want. However, once the product is purchased, it becomes The property of the owner to do with it as they see fit. If your product is such that it can be replicated, that is your own bad luck. I wouldn't say that I'm stealing if I make a photocopy of a page from a book in the library. In fact, most libraries have copy machines. If I obtain a copy from someone, that's my own private transaction with that person and not your business. Do you understand now?
This argument is completely asinine and I hope you aren't serious. You might want to actually look into copyright laws and intellectual property laws and ponder why they exist. The very reason we have copyright laws is to prevent such behavior and ensure that the person who created the material is not taken advantage of in the manner that you are describing as acceptable. Violating these laws is tantamount to stealing. Yes, you can photocopy parts of books when that photocopying amounts to "fair use", which is a vague term admittedly but it would be determined by courts. If you copy 10 pages to take home and study, thats likely fair use. If you make 100 copies of a chapter and then pass it along to others freely, thats likely not fair use. So no, you can't just do whatever you want with copyrighted materials.
 
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Even if it was technically stealing intellectual property, what if it was done for the ultimate good of evening the playing field between rich medical students and those that come from low SE backgrounds?
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I Kant... I just simpy Kant...
 
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All the comments about the content creators/publishers not "needing" the money so it doesn't matter could also be directed to physician salaries--do specialists really "need" $400k+ a year?
Nope. Physicians are public servants and should work for free. They should live in cardboard boxes outside of the hospital and devote their lives fully to patient care. /s
 
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Seems like everyone is in one camp or the other for the most part. Is anyone in the middle and believe that it would be more fair for the companies to lower their price, but punish account sharing or pirating resources?
 
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Seems like everyone is in one camp or the other for the most part. Is anyone in the middle and believe that it would be more fair for the companies to lower their price, but punish account sharing or pirating resources?
A fair middle-ground would be the dismantling of the capitalist system that pits the proletariat against each other and not against the bourgeoisie who profit off of the proletariat's labor, in this essay I will
 
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Seems like everyone is in one camp or the other for the most part. Is anyone in the middle and believe that it would be more fair for the companies to lower their price, but punish account sharing or pirating resources?
How do you suppose that would happen? Would someone force them to lower their prices? Even if they did lower their prices, would people actually pay?

To answer your question, no. In a free market, which is the ideal type of market, the seller charges whatever price is optimal for their goods and services. This optimal price is the price at which profit or the seller is maximized. Too low and lots of people will buy (theoretically, but with this example it doesn't hold up because of criminals) but aggregate profit will not be maximized. Too high and not enough people will buy to maximize aggregate profit. Do you understand now, Proud Father?

Pop Quiz: Guess what industry absolutely does not operate based on free market principles but if it did would be a whole lot better.
 
Even if it was technically stealing intellectual property, what if it was done for the ultimate good of evening the playing field between rich medical students and those that come from low SE backgrounds?
I don't understand this. So steal from the rich and give to the poor so that we can all be equal? Lol. I don't know why liberals think they can just take things that don't belong to them either for themselves or someone else.
 
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I think it’s reasonable to expect people in the medical community to be held to a higher standard.
Here's my hot take. I don't think medical professionals should be held to a higher standard than any other person. We're people. We make the same mistakes, have the same moral quandaries, are just as error prone as everyone else. I think the higher standard thing is garbage. I am not better than other people. Nor am I worse. I want to be held to the same standards as everyone else I share the street with. No more and no less.
 
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This argument is completely asinine and I hope you aren't serious. You might want to actually look into copyright laws and intellectual property laws and ponder why they exist. The very reason we have copyright laws is to prevent such behavior and ensure that the person who created the material is not taken advantage of in the manner that you are describing as acceptable. Violating these laws is tantamount to stealing. Yes, you can photocopy parts of books when that photocopying amounts to "fair use", which is a vague term admittedly but it would be determined by courts. If you copy 10 pages to take home and study, thats likely fair use. If you make 100 copies of a chapter and then pass it along to others freely, thats likely not fair use. So no, you can't just do whatever you want with copyrighted materials.
Your entire argument is an appeal to authority. You're saying "it's bad because there's a law!" Would you take the side that segregation was okay when a law existed for it? No? Did you all of a sudden discover nuance? I can tell you exactly why copyright and intellectual property laws exist. They exist to benefit those profiting. My argument is not a legal one. I'm answering why I don't find pirating morally wrong or akin to stealing. Now do you understand?
 
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I might get hammered for this opinion, but bear with me.

Medical professionals are expected to have a high moral compass and strong ethical decision making. The fact that we see these types of threads pop up every now and then that not only tolerate but at times endorse questionable ethics frustrates me. This includes piracy, stealing, cheating, etc. Particularly with piracy, when I was able to get every resource I needed for free through the school’s library. This included board review texts, course specific text books, rotation specific resources, and electronic copies. It didn’t cost money or involve piracy. They are available.

The other frustration is the thought that it doesn’t hurt anyone, when it absolutely can and does. Cheating can lead to unprepared physicians, improper training, medical mistakes that affect patients, and higher malpractice that affects other physicians. I have also seen patients from someone that was doing questionably unethical treatments for patients. Then the physician retired and these patients are frustrated because other doctors won’t do those unethical things. Again affecting patient care and other physicians.

I would hope that my the residents and students that rotate with me recognize these ethical insufficiencies and work to correct them.

Sure, it’s not black or white, but there are things that we shouldn’t be expected to compromise on.

This “cheating” is being done to prepare the material better.

There is a strong economic advantage already for folks who were able to afford MCAT courses, didn’t have to work through college, and can afford all the books, prep material etc.

Whether a better board score (or I guess a “Pass” now) actually translates into a more competent doc is … ??

For me, it is just as “wrong” as stealing bread if you are starving…
 
I don't understand this. So steal from the rich and give to the poor so that we can all be equal? Lol. I don't know why liberals think they can just take things that don't belong to them either for themselves or someone else.

If you are in a foot race where the other team gets a head start, clear lanes, get a pass if they step into your lane, would you be OK with that?

These rules are made by the rich, for the rich, and they use the scare tactic of “Socialism” to get people like you to go along with their way of doing things.

If someone hoards a bunch of kidneys, in case they needed them, and people died cos of that, that would be considered immoral (I hope by most), yet doing it with money, (usually NOT earned by work but a bunch of tax loopholes etc) somehow is OK… when the results IS the same i.e death due to hunger, disease, homelessness, violence.

The “everyone must be equal” stupidity is just that.
Its an easy “target” and it shows that one has little understanding of the argument.
There should be some level below which, we as a society, don’t let anyone fall…
If a full time teacher is unable to afford food or rent, is that OK?

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How do you suppose that would happen? Would someone force them to lower their prices? Even if they did lower their prices, would people actually pay?

To answer your question, no. In a free market, which is the ideal type of market, the seller charges whatever price is optimal for their goods and services. This optimal price is the price at which profit or the seller is maximized. Too low and lots of people will buy (theoretically, but with this example it doesn't hold up because of criminals) but aggregate profit will not be maximized. Too high and not enough people will buy to maximize aggregate profit. Do you understand now, Proud Father?

Pop Quiz: Guess what industry absolutely does not operate based on free market principles but if it did would be a whole lot better.
With the free market argument I feel like you could argue that if the price on something is too high, you run the chance of people stealing or imitating your work. Look at the clothes industry, lots of knock offs for brands that are more expensive for no reason other than the company deems that it's worth more than the others.
 
Your entire argument is an appeal to authority. You're saying "it's bad because there's a law!" Would you take the side that segregation was okay when a law existed for it? No? Did you all of a sudden discover nuance? I can tell you exactly why copyright and intellectual property laws exist. They exist to benefit those profiting. My argument is not a legal one. I'm answering why I don't find pirating morally wrong or akin to stealing. Now do you understand?
Dr. Ryan and others created valuable products for medical students. I think we can all agree on that based on the number of medical students who use these resources whether they pay or not. Why should their work not be copyrighted to protect their products and ensure that they are able to profit from creating these valuable products? Sure, everyone knows that given that it is an online platform it can easily be pirated, but do you really think thats perfectly okay? My argument is not simply that "its the law" but I'm trying to convey why these laws exist.
 
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There should be some level below which, we as a society, don’t let anyone fall…
There are many things I disagree on and could comment on in your post, but I think the fact that we fundamentally disagree on this point renders it not worthwhile. I believe that a society should be one in which every individual operates according to their own best interest. If someone wants to be generous for whatever reason, great. If not, I don't believe they should be forced to be.
 
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I believe that a society should be one in which every individual operates according to their own best interest.
What’s the point of a society then?
 
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With the free market argument I feel like you could argue that if the price on something is too high, you run the chance of people stealing or imitating your work. Look at the clothes industry, lots of knock offs for brands that are more expensive for no reason other than the company deems that it's worth more than the others.
Those clothes companies charge an optimal price for their goods. Other companies making cheaper products is simply competition in the market, which is a good thing. Luxury items are a bit different from other goods and services I will say because often times the reason people buy them is due to the fact that they are expensive. A certain percentage of the population is going to prefer a $200 dollar shirt with "Dior" written across the front over a $5 dollar shirt with some other name simply because its a status simple. If those high end companies felt that they were being outcompeted they would have already lowered their prices, but they aren't because that pricee is optimal for them (ie it maximizes aggregate profit). THIS IS DIFFERENT IN THE CASE WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARENT SIMPLY COMPETING WITH DR RYAN, THEY ARE JUST STEALING HIS WORK THUS IT IS NOT A FREE MARKET. Given that they can so easily do this, even if the price were cut in half that would not result in a significant increase in people actually paying for it.
 
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Those clothes companies charge an optimal price for their goods. Other companies making cheaper products is simply competition in the market, which is a good thing. Luxury items are a bit different from other goods and services I will say because often times the reason people buy them is due to the fact that they are expensive. A certain percentage of the population is going to prefer a $200 dollar shirt with "Dior" written across the front over a $5 dollar shirt with some other name simply because its a status simple. If those high end companies felt that they were being outcompeted they would have already lowered their prices, but they aren't because that pricee is optimal for them (ie it maximizes aggregate profit). THIS IS DIFFERENT IN THE CASE WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARENT SIMPLY COMPETING WITH DR RYAN, THEY ARE JUST STEALING HIS WORK THUS IT IS NOT A FREE MARKET. Given that they can so easily do this, even if the price were cut in half that would not result in a significant increase in people actually paying for it.
People have been burning cds/dvds/ getting passcodes to sites without subscriptions, and sharing them since the start of the internet. To expect people to not magically do it is insanity. The trick is to make the product cost what the consumers think is fair to purchase, or provide extra services that cannot be obtained through bootlegging it. This is the free market at work. Alot of medical students have deemed that the price is too expensive, and this is likely tilting decisions to the side of using the resources without purchasing them.
 
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Dr. Ryan and others created valuable products for medical students. I think we can all agree on that based on the number of medical students who use these resources whether they pay or not. Why should their work not be copyrighted to protect their products and ensure that they are able to profit from creating these valuable products? Sure, everyone knows that given that it is an online platform it can easily be pirated, but do you really think thats perfectly okay? My argument is not simply that "its the law" but I'm trying to convey why these laws exist.
Yes, if you are the one profiting, that is what you want. It would also be what I would want if I was making the product. In your original post you proposed it was immoral and theft. I'm arguing that you can genuinely believe it isn't. For me, if I buy a product, it is mine to do with it as I wish. I understand the law disagrees and why. I also understand my philosophy has unintended consequences such as creators not wanting to make products. I think we will just have to agree to disagree here, but I hope at least you can see that not everyone thinks it's cut and dry theft and immorality
 
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There are many things I disagree on and could comment on in your post, but I think the fact that we fundamentally disagree on this point renders it not worthwhile. I believe that a society should be one in which every individual operates according to their own best interest. If someone wants to be generous for whatever reason, great. If not, I don't believe they should be forced to be.

What these folks fail to realise that it IS in YOUR best interest that your neighbour’s house doesn’t catch fire… cos guess who’s house is next?

All the $ spent in police, DEA, FBI etc and all it does it enriches the corporations that have prisons.

A fraction of that spent on mental health, affordable housing, drug rehab, child care, education etc and YOU reap the rewards… through less crime, better neighbours, better QoL, etc

Did you take loans for med school?
If yes, then you benefitted from my parents tax money.
Yes you have to pay it back, but theres no guarantee you will… and as with MANY things the government does, the ROI is so big that it helps fund programs.
 
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There are many things I disagree on and could comment on in your post, but I think the fact that we fundamentally disagree on this point renders it not worthwhile. I believe that a society should be one in which every individual operates according to their own best interest. If someone wants to be generous for whatever reason, great. If not, I don't believe they should be forced to be.
This is a native pov. You can’t be this individualistic in your approach to life in such an interconnected society / world. Your best interest is affected by or affects others.

Sometimes helping others is in your best interest, if there were no foodstamps, do you think the people who leverage them would just die.

Also, the government which you have kinda bashed throughout shows that you lack a deeper understanding of its fundamental role in a market economy.
 
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I'm sure all the doctors in this thread, who uniformly represent the top 5% of income earners in the US, would be as equally blasé if their car was stolen or house robbed.
 
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Nope. Physicians are public servants and should work for free. They should live in cardboard boxes outside of the hospital and devote their lives fully to patient care. /s
You have just been made a moderator of the Subreddits r/antiwork and r/LateStageCapitalism
 
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I'm sure all the doctors in this thread, who uniformly represent the top 5% of income earners in the US, would be as equally blasé if their car was stolen or house robbed.
Stop moving the goalposts and being purposely obtuse lol there's a difference between directly stealing someone's property and stealing intellectual property on the internet
 
Stop moving the goalposts and being purposely obtuse lol there's a difference between directly stealing someone's property and stealing intellectual property on the internet
What if they steal your NFTs or dogecoin?
 
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