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I have heard many stories about how incredibly tough it is to get into MD school. Is is any easier to get into a DO school? If so, how much easier?
So, you need to have shadowed a DO
Originally posted by Monkeyguts
Not true. I didn't and had great success with DO schools (at least the ones that don't require a DO letter of recommendation, but I didn't apply to those).
Originally posted by JKDMed
Typically, DO schools can be compared, admission standard wise, to most public state allopathic schools. Most DO schools have a 3.4/3.3 average cumulative/science GPA, while most state MD schools are around 3.5/3.4 -- not a huge difference. The state school here has an average MCAT of 8,8,8.
Originally posted by JKDMed
Typically, DO schools can be compared, admission standard wise, to most public state allopathic schools. Most DO schools have a 3.4/3.3 average cumulative/science GPA, while most state MD schools are around 3.5/3.4 -- not a huge difference. The state school here has an average MCAT of 8,8,8.
Originally posted by WannabeDO
if you look at the number of applicants, there are usually more DO applicants per available seat than in allopathic schools. Also, while the applicant pool overall may be a little lower in scores on the osteopathic side, the matriculant scores are pretty darn close (when you don't consider the top tier allopathic institutions).
Originally posted by BigBopper
What kind of comparison is that? Why don't we compare the allopathic schools to the osteopathic schools without comparing the top tier DO schools?That would just make about as much sense.
Originally posted by WannabeDO
You have to compare apples with apples, oranges with oranges. I'm sorry, but UCSF doesn't compare with Drexel, Harvard doesn't compare to Finch. The top tier schools aren't accessible to most students let alone good students. I'll try to dig up some numbers to prove my point. When you compare the majority of MD schools to DO schools there isn't much difference.
At my interview at Drexel, they told us that last year the average overall gpa was a 3.4 and the average MCAT was a 29. At Western/COMP, last year the average gpa was a 3.5 and the average MCAT was a 27. Those stats seem comparable to me.Originally posted by meanderson
"Safety" allopathic schools like Drexel, NYMC, Jefferson, etc have mcat/gpa averages of 3.55/30. I don't see how that compares in any way to osteopathic schools.
Originally posted by BigBopper
Well put it this way. There are tons of students who still apply to DO schools as backups. Yes I know there are some who only apply DO and some that go over allopathic schools. But I have yet to see anyone apply to US allopathic schools as a backup to DO programs.
Originally posted by Adapt
At my interview at Drexel, they told us that last year the average overall gpa was a 3.4 and the average MCAT was a 29. At Western/COMP, last year the average gpa was a 3.5 and the average MCAT was a 27. Those stats seem comparable to me.
Originally posted by WannabeDO
Look, I'm not arguing you that allopathic schools "in general" have better scores than osteopathic schools. But the scores for the allopathic schools aren't going anywhere, and the DO schools are continually increasing their standards due to an increasingly more competitive applicant pool. In ten years, it'll probably be a wash. The MD schools on average are connected with more prestigious universities, both public and private. But things are changing, we are getting more research dollars and people are beginning to take a deeper look at us. Legally we are exactly the same, we have the same practice rights, can compete for the same residencies and the same jobs. I don't want to get involved in another bs MD vs. DO thread. It's a waste of time and silly. I am going to be a DO and I'm proud of my future profession and its history. I didn't apply to MD schools because I wanted to be a DO.
Anyway, here are the scores for the schools we were talking about (from their respective websites).
GPA MCAT
UCSF 3.76 33
Harvard 3.8 33.2
Drexel 3.45 29.5
Finch 3.43 28
Tucom 3.5 26
The average 2001 MCAT and GPAs for (from the AAMC and AACOM websites). I listed the 2001 numbers because the 2003 numbers weren't available from AACOM:
Allopathic schools - 29.6, 3.60
Osteopathic schools - 24.62, 3.5
Oh, and I found this in case you were interested.
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Originally posted by meanderson
But as always, it is dependent on the individual.....
Originally posted by JPHazelton
Smartest thing posted on this whole topic thus far.
Originally posted by WannabeDO
thats why I got out of it when I did. Stupid thing to argue. After all, we're on our way to being physicians, that's what I care about. I don't know about the rest of these people. I think we should argue about who has hotter wives/girlfriends, DO students or MD students...anyone?
Originally posted by exmike
or we can argue about the timeless topic of DO vs. MD phallice size.
Originally posted by bigmuny
That's not an argument. Everyone knows DOs are better endowed. I can post the articles that have looked at it if that is really necessary.
Originally posted by pnp366
So you need to have a letter of recom from a DO to applyn to a DO school? I didn't know that, can any one confrim?
Originally posted by pnp366
So you need to have a letter of recom from a DO to applyn to a DO school? I didn't know that, can any one confrim?