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Reckoner said:
As the Damphair tells us:

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Willy38 said:
SPECULATION. You have only attended your school so you can't make sweeping generalizations about others like that.
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I have all the information I need. Unless someone really doesn't even try here, as in they don't even open a book they'd do great at many other colleges.
 
Anyone who really denies that fact probably goes to that kind of a university. As you see, the one from Hopkins acknowledges this FACT.
 
PurpleLove said:
Well, I never asked how to study better or stated that I'm unhappy with my GPA that I earned here.

The fact that you think studying is what separates me from the people who get As. No, they're smarter. There will always be 5 people in a class that can easily get 100's. Just like there are people who can't get B+s here.
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You did state that basically every school that's not in the top X is a worthless institution and implied that a lot of medical schools are garbage that you wouldn't want to attend as well.
PurpleLove said:
4 hours of classes = 8 hours of studying.
The general rule is 1 hour of class = 2 hours of studying.

Better?
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That's the rule for average students. You're a premed, you had better work harder and longer if you expect to outperform the average student. I studied 6 hours a day, 5 days a week (would have studied more, but I worked a job that took up 28 hours of every weekend for my last two years of college) to make sure I got As in every single class (except physics, got an A- in that one). Biochem. Immunology. Orgo. Chem. Bio. Genetics. A pile of non-sciences. Every last course, a damn A, because I sacrificed every moment of my personal life (except Wednesday nights after 9 p.m. when I'd go out with my friends) to memorize every concept and formula that would give me an edge over the other students. I read every chapter, memorized every equation, re-watched every lecture, did every set of practice problems I could get my hands on over and over again until I could write both the problem and the answer from memory. You don't become exceptional studying 8 effing hours a week. You pass.
PurpleLove said:
Nah, if I don't get into medical school my first round, I'm pretty sure PhD here I come. 😀
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I fear for the bench's sanity.
PurpleLove said:
Did I mention I am the top of the premed classes I take? I have done just fine as a premed here.
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>complaining you won't get into medical school
>I have done just fine

Pick one, and only one.
PurpleLove said:
And you seriously think people with 2.7 sGPAs that get a postbacc suddenly became geniuses overnight and managed 4.0 in post-bacc programs, okay. Sure, why not?
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Some people just didn't give a damn in high school or when taking the SAT or ACT, because they didn't think a big name college was a big deal, so they didn't study and never got into a top 20 college.
Some people didn't give a damn in college because they didn't think they'd use their degree, so they never studied and didn't do well enough to get into a medical school.
Some people end up in the Caribbean due to low undergrad grades, because they didn't give a damn to do a postbac.

None of this shows that any of these people was not quite intelligent. Some of them might have been highly intelligent. Too intelligent to bother with going through the motions, because they were bored to death by their classes and thus didn't care. Some of them might have just not known where they were going in life, so they didn't put forth a huge effort, because why bother when it will net you nothing.
PurpleLove said:
Wouldn't it just be better to do a PhD?
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If you actually wanted to be a doctor, no. Also, if you want a decent job market, no. And if you want an income over 150k, no.
PurpleLove said:
Wouldn't having my PhD prove to medical schools that I'm more than qualified?
I do like research, just not enough to make a career out of it. Not passionate about it.
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You'll never finish a PhD if you aren't passionate about it. Also, you're not willing to do a 1 year postbac but you're willing to do a 5 year PhD to become competitive for med school? Wut.
 
Mad Jack said:
You did state that basically every school that's not in the top X is a worthless institution and implied that a lot of medical schools are garbage that you wouldn't want to attend as well.

That's the rule for average students. You're a premed, you had better work harder and longer if you expect to outperform the average student. I studied 6 hours a day, 5 days a week (would have studied more, but I worked a job that took up 28 hours of every weekend for my last two years of college) to make sure I got As in every single class (except physics, got an A- in that one). Biochem. Immunology. Orgo. Chem. Bio. Genetics. A pile of non-sciences. Every last course, a damn A, because I sacrificed every moment of my personal life (except Wednesday nights after 9 p.m. when I'd go out with my friends) to memorize every concept and formula that would give me an edge over the other students. I read every chapter, memorized every equation, re-watched every lecture, did every set of practice problems I could get my hands on over and over again until I could write both the problem and the answer from memory. You don't become exceptional studying 8 effing hours a week. You pass.

I fear for the bench's sanity.

>complaining you won't get into medical school
>I have done just fine

Pick one, and only one.

Some people just didn't give a damn in high school or when taking the SAT or ACT, because they didn't think a big name college was a big deal, so they didn't study and never got into a top 20 college.
Some people didn't give a damn in college because they didn't think they'd use their degree, so they never studied and didn't do well enough to get into a medical school.
Some people end up in the Caribbean due to low undergrad grades, because they didn't give a damn to do a postbac.

None of this shows that any of these people was not quite intelligent. Some of them might have been highly intelligent. Too intelligent to bother with going through the motions, because they were bored to death by their classes and thus didn't care. Some of them might have just not known where they were going in life, so they didn't put forth a huge effort, because why bother when it will net you nothing.

If you actually wanted to be a doctor, no. Also, if you want a decent job market, no. And if you want an income over 150k, no.

You'll never finish a PhD if you aren't passionate about it. Also, you're not willing to do a 1 year postbac but you're willing to do a 5 year PhD to become competitive for med school? Wut.
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Well everyone said I studied TOO much and ineffectively, so you're contradicting them. Although I do agree with most of your post.
So then a person who struggled to get a 3.0 in UG and then a 4.0 in a postbacc is less competitive then a person who got a 3.0 at a crappy university and then a 4.0 in a postbacc because they didn't care about school? Sounds like it.
 
Also, you get paid during PHD and you're doing really cool new stuff that is a challenge and not simply to show you're capable of getting As.
Again, my GPA is perfectly fine to me. It is a hell of a lot better than most premeds' here and will only get better.
 
[So then a person who struggled to get a 3.0 in UG and then a 4.0 in a postbacc is less competitive then a person who got a 3.0 at a crappy university and then a 4.0 in a postbacc because they didn't care about school? Sounds like it.][/quote]

Please have a little more tact when referring to other academic institutions. An education is worth what you put into it. Its about what you learn not some name attached to it. (Hence the importance of the MCAT)
 
Willy38 said:
[So then a person who struggled to get a 3.0 in UG and then a 4.0 in a postbacc is less competitive then a person who got a 3.0 at a crappy university and then a 4.0 in a postbacc because they didn't care about school? Sounds like it.]
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Please have a little more tact when referring to other academic institutions. An education is worth what you put into it. Its about what you learn not some name attached to it. (Hence the importance of the MCAT)[/quote]
By "crappy" I meant a university said person got into without caring about school in high school. That doesn't mean it's crappy, but it means they didn't do any work to get into it. Sorry., I should stop using that word.
 
PurpleLove said:
Never said I went to Hopkins. Never said where I went.
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So first you said you went to of one of Princeton, UChicago, and Hopkins. Then you said your university has a med school, which eliminates Princeton. Then you said you don't go to UChicago. And now you're saying that you don't go to Hopkins either?

First you don't know what a DO school is, then you say that you will probably go to one, and now you say that you're too good for them?

First you're bitter about your 3.2 BCPM GPA, and now you're proud of being at the top of all your premed classes?

I refuse to believe that this is a legitimate thread. You're just a slightly more subtle troll than rifle4802.
 
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Euxox said:
So first you said you went of one of Princeton, UChicago, and Hopkins. Then you said your university has a med school, which eliminates Princeton. Then you said you don't go to UChicago. And now you're saying that you don't go to Hopkins either?

I refuse to believe that this is a legitimate thread. You're just a slightly more subtle troll than rifle4802.
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Right, I'll just make sure everyone knows where I go. *sarcasm* Of course, I'm using clues to either draw you to a false university or away from the accurate one.
 
PurpleLove said:
Right, I'll just make sure everyone knows where I go. *sarcasm* Of course, I'm using clues to either draw you to a false university or away from the accurate one.
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I'm pretty sure people from all 3 of those schools have called you out at this point. There's really no more ground left to stand on. When it comes down to it, you're just not working efficiently enough, and you'd have similar problems elsewhere.
 
Microglia said:
I'm pretty sure people from all 3 of those schools have called you out at this point. There's really no more ground left to stand on. When it comes down to it, you're just not working efficiently enough, and you'd have similar problems elsewhere.
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Nope. I've made it pretty obvious where I go.
 
Euxox said:
So first you said you went to of one of Princeton, UChicago, and Hopkins. Then you said your university has a med school, which eliminates Princeton. Then you said you don't go to UChicago. And now you're saying that you don't go to Hopkins either?

First you don't know what a DO school is, then you say that you will probably go to one, and now you say that you're too good for them?

First you're bitter about your 3.2 BCPM GPA, and now you're proud of being at the top of all your premed classes?

I refuse to believe that this is a legitimate thread. You're just a slightly more subtle troll than rifle4802.
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But but... the thread's still open. 17 pages and going strong!
 
LOL 'm not bitter about my 3.2, I'm proud of it. I'm bitter about it not being enough compared to 4.0 for knowing the definition of Orgo mechanisms hahahaha.
 
PurpleLove said:
LOL 'm not bitter about my 3.1, I'm proud of it. I'm bitter about it not being enough compared to 4.0 for knowing the definition of Orgo mechanisms hahahaha.
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PurpleLove said:
HUH, because clearly you are not understanding what I was trying to say.
Didn't know much about DO and didn't want to consider it. Still don't want to, but may consider it. Though they have high average GPAs too, so I'm out of luck.

I have between a 3.2 and a 3.3. I don't ever remember saying I have a 3.1. Could you please quote it? If I did, it was a mistake.
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mistake, simmer down.
if you want, I can screencapture my transcript, once you actually know where I go.
 
This thread was a nice break from MCAT studying. So many laughs.

At the end of the day, you chose to go to a "prestigious" school, so you knew what you were getting into. At first you were complaining about your GPA, now you are all of a sudden proud, which I assume is BS. Get a tutor, go to your professors office hours for help. There are options to increase your GPA, so I'd suggest looking into them instead of complaining about how hard being a pre-med is at whatever school you attend. It's hard everywhere, and med school won't be any easier.
 
cjcarter said:
This thread was a nice break from MCAT studying. So many laughs.

At the end of the day, you chose to go to a "prestigious" school, so you knew what you were getting into. At first you were complaining about your GPA, now you are all of a sudden proud, which I assume is BS. Get a tutor, go to your professors office hours for help. There are options to increase your GPA, so I'd suggest looking into them instead of complaining about how hard being a pre-med is at whatever school you attend. It's hard everywhere, and med school won't be any easier.
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Why would I go to a tutor/office hours when I know the material? Not like I can pay someone to take exams for me.
Never once I stated I wasn't happy with my GPA. Did I not mention 20 times how so many smart people who get B-s/Bs would easily get As elsewhere? Cause they're smart.
 
cjcarter said:
This thread was a nice break from MCAT studying. So many laughs.

At the end of the day, you chose to go to a "prestigious" school, so you knew what you were getting into. At first you were complaining about your GPA, now you are all of a sudden proud, which I assume is BS. Get a tutor, go to your professors office hours for help. There are options to increase your GPA, so I'd suggest looking into them instead of complaining about how hard being a pre-med is at whatever school you attend. It's hard everywhere, and med school won't be any easier.
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Do you go to U Chicago or possibly Northwestern? Cause if not, you have no right to talk, honestly.
 
PurpleLove said:
Do you go to U Chicago or possibly Northwestern? Cause if not, you have no right to talk, honestly.
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Several of the people on this thread that have told you to stop whining go/went to schools that are more highly ranked than U Chicago. Get over yourself.
 
PurpleLove said:
Why would I go to a tutor/office hours when I know the material? Not like I can pay someone to take exams for me.
Never once I stated I wasn't happy with my GPA. Did I not mention 20 times how so many smart people who get B-s/Bs would easily get As elsewhere? Cause they're smart.
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You clearly don't get As on exams if your GPA is 3.1, so why not try getting a tutor or going to SI sessions if you have those. Study sessions led by SI leaders or TAs have taken the class before with the same professor and have done well. It would be in your best interest to talk to professors so they know you are a serious student and actually want to succeed.

And no, I went to DePaul. Several pre-meds transferred out to UIC or U of I because of how difficult our chemistry courses were. I struggled like you in the beginning but I did everything I could to raise my GPA and ended up graduating with honors 3.5-3.6. I get that they are difficult schools, but because you go to U of C or Northwestern doesn't make your life any harder than anyone else's. You're a sophomore, and only in gen chem from what it seems. Just wait until you get to senior year and take biochem. I'm assuming you go to U of C. If it's too hard: TRANSFER if you aren't willing to do everything you can, which would be getting outside help.
 
cjcarter said:
You clearly don't get As on exams if your GPA is 3.1, so why not try getting a tutor or going to SI sessions if you have those. Study sessions led by SI leaders or TAs have taken the class before with the same professor and have done well. It would be in your best interest to talk to professors so they know you are a serious student and actually want to succeed.

And no, I went to DePaul. Several pre-meds transferred out to UIC or U of I because of how difficult our chemistry courses were. I struggled like you in the beginning but I did everything I could to raise my GPA and ended up graduating with honors 3.5-3.6. I get that they are difficult schools, but because you go to U of C or Northwestern doesn't make your life any harder than anyone else's. You're a sophomore, and only in gen chem from what it seems. Just wait until you get to senior year and take biochem. I'm assuming you go to U of C. If it's too hard: TRANSFER if you aren't willing to do everything you can, which would be getting outside help.
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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO DEPAUL HARD. Okay, I'm dying of laughter, please stop.
If I transferred, it would be to a school like Depaul/Loyola. Please, hun. All my friends who didn't do jack **** in high school went to Depaul and continued to do jack **** and get As.

No.... Because it's all test-taking, nothing to do with hardness. I get tutors and they ask me what I need help with, well nothing.
I go to professors and they tell me to stop.
 
PurpleLove said:
Well everyone said I studied TOO much and ineffectively, so you're contradicting them. Although I do agree with most of your post.
So then a person who struggled to get a 3.0 in UG and then a 4.0 in a postbacc is less competitive then a person who got a 3.0 at a crappy university and then a 4.0 in a postbacc because they didn't care about school? Sounds like it.
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A lot of the time, yeah. Smart but lazy college students change their tune all the time after they hit the job market and realize what a mistake they've made and how hard they should have studied and worked in undergrand. And postbacs don't hand out As like you presume, especially linked ones. Such programs guarantee an interview to studetns with over a certain GPA at the end, so they have no interest in offering that guarantee to a student that is garbage and they just gave A's for the hell of it. Plus once you're in, they've got your money. There is no incentive to give high grades, it's not like you'll be a repeat customer.
 
Euxox said:
Several of the people on this thread that have told you to stop whining go/went to schools that are more highly ranked than U Chicago. Get over yourself.
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Who?
 
mehc012 said:
Congratulations on finding a way to make the typical, annoying "but my school is HARD!" thread into a condescending "I'm not complaining, I'm just concerned for them" post. You have truly mastered the art of the passive-aggressive premed whine.
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34 likes. 😱 That's one thing I don't like about troll threads. The first cunning post racks up the most likes :nono::sendoff::caution:
 
But hey, because I have "no credibility" when it comes to other schools my best friends go to, my brother went to, and etc, I'll tell you in a few months if It's "hard". I did choose DePaul as it goes on the quarter system so I won't have to start summer school while in school.
 
Reckoner said:
Not surprising, given the glimpses of your personality we've seen in this thread.
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More like,
professor: So why are you here?
me: I'm not doing as well as I would like to?
professor: *looks up grades* you do very well on exams, what do you need help with?
me: uh
 
PurpleLove said:
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO DEPAUL HARD. Okay, I'm dying of laughter, please stop.
If I transferred, it would be to a school like Depaul/Loyola. Please, hun. All my friends who didn't do jack **** in high school went to Depaul and continued to do jack **** and get As.

No.... Because it's all test-taking, nothing to do with hardness. I get tutors and they ask me what I need help with, well nothing.
I go to professors and they tell me to stop.
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You clearly think you are better than me because I went to DePaul and not U of C. It's actually not easy, and I would like to know who your friends are that went to DePaul and did jack **** to get As, at least bio/health science majors.

A professor told you to stop coming to their office hours? I highly doubt that. Maybe you should think about what you need help with because it seems like what you're doing now isn't cutting it.

I feel bad for every single person who is in class with you or will be in the future. You are the worst type of pre-med.
 
PurpleLove said:
More like,
professor: So why are you here?
me: I'm not doing as well as I would like to?
professor: *looks up grades* you do very well on exams, what do you need help with?
me: uh
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If you are doing well on exams you wouldn't have a 3.1 GPA.
 
cjcarter said:
You clearly think you are better than me because I went to DePaul and not U of C. It's actually not easy, and I would like to know who your friends are that went to DePaul and did jack **** to get As, at least bio/health science majors.

A professor told you to stop coming to their office hours? I highly doubt that. Maybe you should think about what you need help with because it seems like what you're doing now isn't cutting it.

I feel bad for every single person who is in class with you or will be in the future. You are the worst type of pre-med.
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YOU GO TO DEPAUL. IF YOU THINK THAT'S HARD, you shouldn't be a premed.
Anyone who went to a decent high school in Chicago doesn't have to do jack **** to get As there.
You must have had a hard, challenging, life in school.
 
You are also struggling to get a 30 MCAT. Just saying, it aint cause it's hard to get As at Depaul.
 
cjcarter said:
You clearly don't get As on exams if your GPA is 3.1, so why not try getting a tutor or going to SI sessions if you have those. Study sessions led by SI leaders or TAs have taken the class before with the same professor and have done well. It would be in your best interest to talk to professors so they know you are a serious student and actually want to succeed.

And no, I went to DePaul. Several pre-meds transferred out to UIC or U of I because of how difficult our chemistry courses were. I struggled like you in the beginning but I did everything I could to raise my GPA and ended up graduating with honors 3.5-3.6. I get that they are difficult schools, but because you go to U of C or Northwestern doesn't make your life any harder than anyone else's. You're a sophomore, and only in gen chem from what it seems. Just wait until you get to senior year and take biochem. I'm assuming you go to U of C. If it's too hard: TRANSFER if you aren't willing to do everything you can, which would be getting outside help.
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No offense, but do you seriously possibly think DePaul is as hard as UChicago or Northwestern?
I'm honestly asking out of curiosity?
I also believe U of I (Champaign) is way tougher than DePaul...
 
PurpleLove said:
Well everyone said I studied TOO much and ineffectively, so you're contradicting them. Although I do agree with most of your post.
So then a person who struggled to get a 3.0 in UG and then a 4.0 in a postbacc is less competitive then a person who got a 3.0 at a crappy university and then a 4.0 in a postbacc because they didn't care about school? Sounds like it.
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a GPA at X school has the same weight as a GPA at y school.


A 3.2 at Yale doesn't mean a 4.0 at State University. This is a point you haven't grasped.
 
HopelessGirl said:
No offense, but do you seriously possibly think DePaul is as hard as UChicago or Northwestern?
I'm honestly asking out of curiosity?
I also believe U of I (Champaign) is way tougher than DePaul...
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U of I is ranked like 30!
People get denied from U of I!
U of I is amazing!
 
BamaNicole said:
a GPA at X school has the same weight as a GPA at y school.


A 3.2 at Yale doesn't mean a 4.0 at State University. This is a point you haven't grasped.
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I understand this for medical school admission purposes....
Kind of why I don't agree with it/my post.
 
PurpleLove said:
YOU GO TO DEPAUL. IF YOU THINK THAT'S HARD, you shouldn't be a premed.
Anyone who went to a decent high school in Chicago doesn't have to do jack **** to get As there.
You must have had a hard, challenging, life in school.
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You literally have no idea what you are talking about considering YOU don't go there. Your friends obviously aren't biology majors because it's definitely not EASY to get As in upper level courses, it takes a lot of work. Plus you're a sophomore, you're still in 100 level. Anyone who doesn't try to get As in science courses is just crazy smart, and most people aren't like that.

My struggles with the MCAT have no reflection on my undergrad education.
 
cjcarter said:
You literally have no idea what you are talking about considering YOU don't go there. Your friends obviously aren't biology majors because it's definitely not EASY to get As in upper level courses, it takes a lot of work. Plus you're a sophomore, you're still in 100 level. Anyone who doesn't try to get As in science courses is just crazy smart, and most people aren't like that.

My struggles with the MCAT have no reflection on my undergrad education.
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Yes, yes it does.
I'm not even going to argue with you, I need help/advice from people who know what it's like to struggle at a top, grade-deflating school.
When I get a 3.5-3.6, let me tell you, it will have a lot more weight than your 3.5-3.6.

By the way, people have said MCAT is the equalizer between easy/hard schools. I believe the average MCAT here is like a 37. Just saying.
 
Anyways, since GPAs are all the same everywhere, I will take my summer classes at Depaul, raise my GPA to 3.5-3.6 and see how "hard" other schools are.
 
HopelessGirl said:
No offense, but do you seriously possibly think DePaul is as hard as UChicago or Northwestern?
I'm honestly asking out of curiosity?
I also believe U of I (Champaign) is way tougher than DePaul...
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Um no, HopelessGirl, I do not think DePaul is as hard. I never said that, nor implied it. All I said was that being a pre-med is hard no matter where you go.
 
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