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[thegenius]

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Aaarrgggh! our school year (two kids in high school) is starting remotely. &$%@ing terrible.

The email is full of "safety first, we value safety more than anything else, safety this, safety that, we have a Task Force that recommends safety."

The school district is asking the unions to sign a meaningless "Memorandum of Understanding" related to the safe return to school.

I'm pissed!!

 

[Birdstrike]

Aaarrgggh! our school year (two kids in high school) is starting remotely. &$%@ing terrible.

The email is full of "safety first, we value safety more than anything else, safety this, safety that, we have a Task Force that recommends safety."

The school district is asking the unions to sign a meaningless "Memorandum of Understanding" related to the safe return to school.

I'm pissed!!

You need to recall your Governor. That's nucking futs. My Governor just gave a speech telling the school superintendent he will not approve any local school plan that doesn't involve a parental choice of a 5-day in-school option (along with an online-school choice) essentially forcing schools to reopen. Now the state superintendent is saying she's going to refuse to do it, setting up a showdown between the her and the Governor. I put my money on the Governor winning that showdown. Should be interesting. Time for me to send out another round of blistering emails.

At-risk kids and nervous parents + at risk teachers = online school pathway.

Low risk kids & comfortable parents + low risk teachers = 5-day in-school pathway.

Hybrid models are a mess and will be near impossible logistically.

 

[thegenius]

You need to recall your Governor. That's nucking futs. My Governor just gave a speech telling the school superintendent he will not approve any local school plan that doesn't involve a parental choice of a 5-day in-school option (along with an online-school choice) essentially forcing schools to reopen. Now the state superintendent is saying she's going to refuse to do it, setting up a showdown between the her and the Governor. I put my money on the Governor winning that showdown. Should be interesting. Time for me to send out another round of blistering emails.

I hope your Governor wins. Teaching kids is an essential service, more essential than just about anything else in this world besides eating, breathing and shiiting.

Problem is I live in Marin county and a bunch of rich bozos who made their money on AirBnB, Pets.com, and investment banking that is driving up national and worldwide debt to astronomical levels while making a very small handful of people rich and the rest of the 6B billion people struggling to make ends meet can afford to do whatever they want. And they live, en-mass, in my county.

Look at this nonsense, from our High School's email:

Full K-8 Remote Learning Option: Based on survey data, it is apparent that there is a percentage of families that are only interested in remote learning and do not want their children to come back to school under any circumstances. We are preparing for this and have asked **** to set up an all-remote learning academy for grades K-8. More details will be shared at the July 28 Board meeting; shortly after the Board makes the decision on August 3 as to what school will look like, parents will be asked to commit to the option of fully remote learning for the school year if they choose to do so. We are exploring options for grades 9-12, which is more challenging given the schedule.

and

AB77: Last month, the State legislature passed AB 77, which was meant to encourage schools to bring students back to school in person. It includes relaxed instructional minutes for each grade level as well as penalties for districts that do not have students in school for in-person learning unless directed by public health. We are still working with *** to determine the full interpretation of this law, which is not clear at the moment.

 

[deleted1005514]

Our Governor passed the buck on return to school plans to the Dept of Education, who then passed it onto the local school boards. The state now has a million different plans of craziness, from fully online to fully in person, because no one wanted to take the blame for whatever happens.

Our school district has decided that K-6 will go in person 5 days a week, and 7-12 will be housed in the high schools, be broken up into teams of 10 and assigned a "learning coach", and will complete their classes online but at the school 2 days a week with the learning coach facilitating office hours for extra help with their teachers when needed. They will also be shortening the school day to 10-3:30, and having the kids take 3 classes in the fall and 4 in the spring instead of 7 all year. It's unnecessarily complicated in my opinion, and focuses on the younger students at the expense of the older.

 

[Rekt]

Blame the 15-25 year old social media justice warriors still living at home with zero responsibilities or kids or even intellect making the outcry against schools opening. Even pushing the AAP to go back on it's decision. It was literally the only covid thing I cared about.. Thankfully we're opening. But I understand the frustration. It's a huge blow that most people cannot understand. I expect adolescent suicides to sky rocket.

 

[Apollyon]

(two kids in high school)

Wow! Youze ode, dude! I thought YOU were the kid!

 

[Birdstrike]

I hope your Governor wins. Teaching kids is an essential service, more essential than just about anything else in this world besides eating, breathing and shiiting.

Problem is I live in Marin county and a bunch of rich bozos who made their money on AirBnB, Pets.com, and investment banking that is driving up national and worldwide debt to astronomical levels while making a very small handful of people rich and the rest of the 6B billion people struggling to make ends meet can afford to do whatever they want. And they live, en-mass, in my county.

Look at this nonsense, from our High School's email:



and

Have you wondered why Democrat politicians uniformly want schools to stay closed and Republicans want them reopened 5 days per week? Is it because Democrats know 'science' and care about people, and Republicans failed science and want people to die? Not exactly. Our world is never that simple.

Rumor has it that the directive has gone down from the top (Pelosi, Schumer, AOC & Omar; Biden has been pushed out of the way and must follow) that if schools reopen on schedule, millions of parents who have not been able to work due to school shutdowns, will return to the work force. That would cause a massive plunge in the unemployment rate and a massive increase in job and economic growth in the next 2-3 months. They've decided that's too risky, because it would increase Presidential and Congressional reelection chances immensely, which have taken a big hit with the economic downturn due to COVID-19. They've told their politicians, Democrat Governors, who've passed it down to school boards, "No matter how much your constituents want this, DO, NOT, GIVE IT TO THEM. It's too risky. Open schools equal an economic boom, which equals people happy, which equals people not wanting change." The whole Democrat party, top to bottom, is on board with the plan through November, and possibly into the 2022 elections if more seats are needed to take/keep the House and Senate. And it's all for political and strategic reasons.

 

[AMEHigh]

Every teacher and democrat I know wants school to open up SAFELY for teachers and staff especially. It’s absolutely insane that people think that a crowded school with hundreds to thousands of 14-18 year olds not wearing masks (which many districts have pushed for) and staff not wearing masks would not cause transmission of the virus and staff and teachers to be sick enough that they’d at least have to take off from work. Same for elementary and middle school. We had 70,000 new cases, how would it not spread in a school? Then, who is going to teach and staff the building while people are home sick for a week or longer recovery. Mild cases often cause symptoms that require people to rest at home.

It’s pretty clear there’s a reason why more private schools are going to be able to open safely because they have the funds to do so safely with less crowding and ability to purchase PPE.

This is just another thing that Covid has highlighted in regards to the disparities and underfunding of schools....overcrowding, old and falling apart buildings with poor ventilation, not enough staff, etc.

The whole federal response has been a mess and cost people their health and economic well-being for those that had that before. Why was none of this talked about before and why are (in general) republicans suing due to mask mandates and threatening schools who don’t want to open while not helping them to do so safely?!?! Absolutely insane, dangerous and it doesn’t have to be that way. Covid does not care if you’re a democrat or republican.

"One proposal from Senate Democrats would include nearly $350 billion to help schools and universities reopen safely, which could be used for purposes like purchasing personal protective equipment or cleaning buildings."

“Everyone wants to see schools open,” said Sen. Doug Jones (D-Ala.), a member of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions, whose own proposal would provide federal grant money to help schools reopen. “The unfortunate thing is that the president doesn’t use the word ‘safely’ in front of ‘opening.’ And I think that that’s the key.”

Redirect Notice

 

[Birdstrike]

Every teacher and democrat I know wants school to open up SAFELY for teachers and staff especially. It’s absolutely insane that people think that a crowded school with hundreds to thousands of 14-18 year olds not wearing masks (which many districts have pushed for) and staff not wearing masks would not cause transmission of the virus and staff and teachers to be sick enough that they’d at least have to take off from work.

Requires mask for kids and teachers, order some jugs of sanitizer and plexi-glass for teachers' desks, and get back to work like everyone else. No special exemptions and no protected classes of people.

Many European countries never closed schools and kept them open with masks & precautionary measures and the data shows that it was safe, or at least as safe as possible. Certainly you read all the data from Europe I posted on this forum about hat. I agree that reopening without any precautions, no masks, no teacher PPE, and without any sterilization precautions would be stupid.

However, don't be so naive. It's very easy to appear to want schools reopened, while setting the bar so high, you know it'll never happen. The school boards in my state have tried exactly that, creating a formula so strict, requiring viral counts so low that we take years (or never) achieve them, to justify appearing to favor reopening, but stacking the deck to guarantee a result that equals "stay home and get a pay check."

And don't think these teachers that are staying home are so naive. Many of them are double dipping, cashing their paycheck and working second jobs while they do their daily 1-hour "zoom meeting" while kids and parents do the teachers' jobs. They're not dumb. It's called be resourceful and they don't want to give it up. You bet your tulips I'd pick up some additional work to get two salaries for working the equivalent of one job. I also see their Facebook posts of them at their family reunions with no masks on, with their kids at the arcade and beeboppin' around town while "quarantining in fear." I call BS on them being "scared." They don't seem too worried about the elderly lady working at Target for 1/4 of what they earn, who's been risking exposure for the last 4 months so they can stay home with their special exemptions that literally no one else in the world gets.

For as long as I live, I'll never forget how teachers have exploited a pandemic using it essentially as blackmail, bordering on threatening a de facto strike, saying, "Pay me not to work, give me a raise or I don't show up." And they've done it all at the expense everyone's children, including mine.

 

[TwoHighways]

We spend more per student than just about all of our OECD peers. Corruption at the local level is what keeps poor schools in poor shape and underachieving. It’s the breeding ground for future victims. It’s hard to think of yourself as one if you actually learn some stuff and rise out of generational poverty as a result of applying what you‘ve learned.

 

[Birdstrike]

Corruption at the local level is what keeps poor schools in poor shape and underachieving.

Some schools. I hear a lot of excuses from a lot of people. Yet, we live in a state with "bad schools" yet somehow in our district my kids consistently get >95% on national standardized tests, are two years ahead and my oldest is going to a high school on a college campus where she'll be taking a mix of advanced high school and college classes on the college campus at age 14, for college credit. All in public schools. It all trickles down from the parents to the kids to the results. If there's a commitment to education starting with the parents, the kids will be successful. If there's not, they won't.

 

[TwoHighways]

Some schools. I hear a lot of excuses from a lot of people. Yet, we live in a state with "bad schools" yet somehow in our district my kids consistently get >95% on national standardized tests, are two years ahead and my oldest is going to a high school on a college campus where she'll be taking a mix of advanced high school and college classes on the college campus at age 14, for college credit. All in public schools. It all trickles down from the parents to the kids to the results. If there's a commitment to education starting with the parents, the kids will be successful. If there's not, they won't.

Yeah, parents need to be parents too and that’s a big part of the equation as well. Certainly helps when you have both a dad and a mom in the household (or I suspect two dads or two moms). #WOKEAF

 

[Birdstrike]

Yeah, parents need to be parents too and that’s a big part of the equation as well. Certainly helps when you have both a dad and a mom in the household (or I suspect two dads or two moms). #WOKEAF

Why not three?


#TripleWoke

 

[TwoHighways]

Why not three?


#TripleWoke

Wait a minute though, isn’t that something the Mormons do? #cancelled #patriarchy #oppressor #SJWbuzzwords

 

[Birdstrike]

Wait a minute though, isn’t that something the Mormons do? #cancelled #patriarchy #oppressor #SJWbuzzwords

Isn't that somethin'? When one group does it, it's bad. When another group does it, they're exalted, put on a pedestal and praised as "woke" and "exploring boundaries." All for being on the wrong team.

 

[AMEHigh]

Requires mask for kids and teachers, order some jugs of sanitizer and plexi-glass for teachers' desks, and get back to work like everyone else. No special exemptions and no protected classes of people.

Yep agreed about the requirements, but unfortunately school districts disagree. Teachers and parents have to buy paper, hand sanitizer, etc during normal school years. They shouldn't be forced to buy masks for students and bring their own plexi-glass. Hence why politicians (mostly democrats) want a federal relief bill to help schools open. It's insane that we're fighting around and around about simple safety measures while cases rise and rise and don't want to provide the funding for such safety measures.
And in regards to other countries opening schools, they don't currently have 70,000 new cases of covid daily.

Florida’s guidelines simply ask schools to “explore strategies to utilize” masks and support “students, teachers and staff who voluntarily wear” them. Indiana’s guidance recommends but doesn’t require employees or students to mask up, while Michigan mandates masks for staffers and students in grades 6-12 but allows younger students to forgo face coverings if they remain in the same classroom all day. Iowa’s education department initially declined to require masks, but said it would revisit its recommendations following a public outcry"

"Some states are mandating masks for all students and school employees, heeding guidance from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that says face coverings should be worn in schools “as feasible” to prevent infected people from spreading the virus. Other states are only requiring masks for staff members and older students or punting the decisions to individual districts, some of which say they will not order anyone to wear face coverings."

"This week, Texas issued guidance requiring school staffers and students ages 10 and up to wear masks after inadvertently posting draft guidelines last month that did not mandate masks. Meanwhile, Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday that the CDC will publish additional guides for districts on reopening schools after President Trump criticized the current recommendations as “very tough” and “expensive.”

America’s mask debate shifts to schools

Given loose and evolving guidance, school districts have been left to decide who should wear masks and how to enforce the new policies.

www.chalkbeat.org

 

[Birdstrike]

Yep agreed about the requirements, but unfortunately school districts disagree. Teachers and parents have to buy paper, hand sanitizer, etc during normal school years. They shouldn't be forced to buy masks for students and bring their own plexi-glass. Hence why politicians (mostly democrats) want a federal relief bill to help schools open.

Yes, the teachers are trying to play this angle. That's why the Governor of my state has already called them out and informed the public the Federal government has already given the states plenty of money for PPE and he's refusing to approve any Fall school plan that doesn't give parents a choice of either 5-day school or remote learning. But there's no point in us arguing. If you don't want your kids back in school, that's cool. You can have it. I just feel very fortunate my Governor isn't putting up with the political BS that others are using to deny my kids the education I paid for already through my tax dollars. People may have to literally move states because states seem to be stratifying into either, A) "Life Is An Apocalypse Now, Forever" or, B) "Let's get back to normal, ASAP."

I choose B. You're free to choose A, if you want. That's cool.

 

[TwoHighways]

This is offense, please use appropriate language on this forum. Please correct to: “They shouldn’t be forced to buy m***s....”

What about “face coverings”?

 

[AMEHigh]

Yes, the teachers are trying to play this angle. That's why the Governor of my state has already called them out and informed the public the Federal government has already given the states plenty of money for PPE and he's refusing to approve any Fall school plan that doesn't give parents a choice of either 5-day school or remote learning. But there's no point in us arguing. If you don't want your kids back in school, that's cool. You can have it. I just feel very fortunate my Governor isn't putting up with the political BS that others are using to deny my kids the education I paid for already through my tax dollars. People may have to literally move states because states seem to be stratifying into either, A) "Life Is An Apocalypse Now, Forever" or, B) "Let's get back to normal, ASAP."

I choose B. You're free to choose A, if you want. That's cool.

Playing what angle?
State and local school governing bodies aren't requiring people to wear masks as I shared above. PPE does no good if no one is required to use it. I don't think that's playing, but ok. In this very thread people talked about not wearing masks lol. Again, who is going to teach and staff schools when teachers and staff get sick from mild cases and have to stay home in cities where community spread is way above the recommended epidemological threshold for large gatherings?

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Yes, the teachers are trying to play this angle. That's why the Governor of my state has already called them out and informed the public the Federal government has already given the states plenty of money for PPE and he's refusing to approve any Fall school plan that doesn't give parents a choice of either 5-day school or remote learning. But there's no point in us arguing. If you don't want your kids back in school, that's cool. You can have it. I just feel very fortunate my Governor isn't putting up with the political BS that others are using to deny my kids the education I paid for already through my tax dollars. People may have to literally move states because states seem to be stratifying into either, A) "Life Is An Apocalypse Now, Forever" or, B) "Let's get back to normal, ASAP."

I choose B. You're free to choose A, if you want. That's cool.

I've talked to more than a few people who are thinking about sending their young kids to private schools to make sure they get in person learning.

 

[AMEHigh]

Do people not realize that covid is an actual illness? Yes there are people that are asymptomatic, but people with covid actually often do feel bad and have to stay home because they have a fever, fatigued, diarrhea, etc. There's already a shortage of substitute teachers. So who is going to teach children when people feel sick and need to stay home? It's such poor planning to not want community spread to be less before opening schools in 2 weeks.

 

[Birdstrike]

Playing what angle?
State and local school governing bodies aren't requiring people to wear masks as I shared above. PPE does no good if no one is required to use it. I don't think that's playing, but ok. In this very thread people talked about not wearing masks lol. Again, who is going to teach and staff schools when teachers and staff get sick from mild cases and have to stay home in cities where community spread is way above the recommended epidemological threshold for large gatherings?

First of all, why do you keep using the m-word? Are you trying to get us all banned?

The "angle" being played is, "I want to get paid for not going to work." Anything other than teachers masking up with sanitizer and PPE like the rest of America, is crap. Anything else equals people trying to get paid for not going to work. And it's crap. Show up to work like the rest of America, like the little old lady at Walmart that's been working through the pandemic so you can hoard toilet paper, or don't get paid. Period. End of story.

 

[AMEHigh]

I've talked to more than a few people who are thinking about sending their young kids to private schools to make sure they get in person learning.

Yep exactly. Which in the long run hurts those who can't afford private school.
I would love to see data on class size of private schools and what their requirements for opening will be, such as mask requirements and other safety measures.
Already starting in general with smaller class sizes in private schools makes a big difference.

 

[Birdstrike]

So who is going to teach children when people feel sick and need to stay home?

Wait. All of a sudden, the person who wants force kids to stay home and not have anyone teach them, is worried kids might have to stay home and not have anyone to teach them?

 

[AMEHigh]

First of all, why do you keep using the m-word? Are you trying to get us all banned?

The "angle" being played is, "I want to get paid for not going to work." Anything other than teachers masking up with sanitizer and PPE like the rest of America, is crap. Anything else equals people trying to get paid for not going to work. And it's crap. Show up to work like the rest of America, like the little old lady at Walmart
that's been working through the pandemic so you can hoard toilet paper, or don't get paid. Period. End of story.

Not sure what your first question means about getting banned.

But yeah clearly you're not going to answer my question or respond in regards to schools not requiring PPE.
Again, state and local governing bodies are not requiring students and staff to wear masks. So PPE does no good if people don't use it.
Yes factory workers and people in prison have been spending large amount of time indoors with hundreds to thousands of people, but many (most?) of us that have returned to work aren't spending time indoors with hundreds to thousands of unmasked kids and adults. Obviously every school is different, but there are TONS that have thousands of students in small spaces.

 

[Birdstrike]

I've talked to more than a few people who are thinking about sending their young kids to private schools to make sure they get in person learning.

We've considered the same, but the strange thing about where I live is that the public schools are actually really good and the private schools are all very small and inferior. My kid will be getting college credit at age 14 through the public track, and no private school hear can even come close to that. But we did think about that. And I might have given it thought if the private schools near me were good. Here's why I'd be super hesitant: What's to stop your private school from taking your tuition for 1st semester, then as soon as case numbers go up a bit, turn around and say, "Sorry, COVID's too high, for 'safety' we must go to remote learning'? If you can't get it in writing, that a refund is guaranteed if 5-day per week school is closed, then I'd think long and hard before writing the check, if that's the only reason you're thinking of switching. But that's just me.

 

[AMEHigh]

Wait. All of a sudden, the person who wants force kids to stay home and not have anyone teach them, is worried kids might have to stay home and not have anyone to teach them?

Which person?
What I'm saying is that school districts with a lot of community spread and don't want to require people to wear masks are likely going to end up with teachers and staff who aren't well enough to teach, thus defeats the purpose of opening schools in 2 weeks. Lessen community spread, require PPE and then open schools, but that is not what some government officials want to do. I quoted above information in regards to places not requiring PPE.

 

[Birdstrike]

Not sure what your first question means about getting banned.

Mods have said they're banning any threads that discuss m**ks. Those things we put on our faces? Where've you been? Can't discuss the m-word.

 

[Birdstrike]

But yeah clearly you're not going to answer my question or respond in regards to schools not requiring PPE.

Mandate PPE. Give them PPE. Require them to where it and show up and do their jobs. Fire them if they don't. It's that simple. What's so hard to understand about this?

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Yep exactly. Which in the long run hurts those who can't afford private school.
I would love to see data on class size of private schools and what their requirements for opening will be, such as mask requirements and other safety measures.
Already starting in general with smaller class sizes in private schools makes a big difference.

My kids are 4 so their class size is governed by the state. Its the same as the public 4k classes.

Safety measure are: no parents inside the school, lots of hand washing, teachers wear masks, older kids too.

 

[AMEHigh]

Mandate PPE. Give them PPE. Require them to where it and show up and do their jobs. Fire them if they don't. It's that simple. What's so hard to understand about this?

Ok cool. So we're on the same page. Unfortuantely government officials aren't (and the general public, hence outrage about masks in the first place), but hopefully they get it together for the improved safety of everyone. However, I won't hold my breath based on how things have been going so far, especially since school is supposed to start in about 2-3 weeks in some areas. I guess we'll see, I'm hoping for improvements.

 

[AMEHigh]

My kids are 4 so their class size is governed by the state. Its the same as the public 4k classes.

Safety measure are: no parents inside the school, lots of hand washing, teachers wear masks, older kids too.

That's great.
I've just been watching some of these town hall and school board meetings and it's insane. People yelling about "you can't make my kid wear a mask!!!!!" and then school officials agreeing/saying the same thing.
Obviously we'll never know, but I guess private school parents are more willing to follow these rules? Obviously if they aren't willing then they can withdraw and not have their kids go there anymore, so private institutions can make up any rules they want and enforce them. Glad it sounds like your kids school is following general safety measures!

 

[Birdstrike]

Ok cool. So we're on the same page. Unfortuantely government officials aren't

This depends on your location. Education is administered state by state and locally. My Governor is hardcore on same page as far as requiring parental choice for 5-day school or remote learning, and has at least said there is money and orders placed for PPE. I haven't heard him say one way or the other on a "must wear mask in school law" but every time I see him on TV he's wearing one. But this can be handled locally, also. My state has not required masks for everyone, everywhere. But each city, county and town where I live, has. So it's a moot point.

All I can say is, start lighting up either the E-mail servers or phone lines of your Governor, Lt. Governor, State School Superintendent and local School Board Chair and reps. That's what my wife and I have been doing. Wherever you stand, let them know and be a thorn in their side until you get what you want.

 

[Birdstrike]

I've just been watching some of these town hall and school board meetings and it's insane. People yelling about "you can't make my kid wear a mask!!!!!" and then school officials agreeing/saying the same thing.

Agree. It's driving me nuts hearing people be so oblivious like this. Do you want your kids in school or not? Tell Jimmy to wear a frickin' mask, okay, or Jimmy is your 8-5 problem and he can sit in your lap all day while he coughs and you go over multiplication tables, okay? It's a small price to pay.

Really? Is this that hard. Tell the kids and everyone else to where a mask SO WE CAN GET ON WITH LIFE. And guess what? Some will, some won't. It's impossible to enforce anyways, and the one's that really need them the most (at risk teachers age) will be wearing them anyways. And since "masks work" no one will have to worry. Problem solved. Life goes on.

But a certain percentage of people will always try to be unreasonable and irrational. This is why we elect leaders to make tough decisions and bring those people along, kicking and screaming.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

We've considered the same, but the strange thing about where I live is that the public schools are actually really good and the private schools are all very small and inferior. My kid will be getting college credit at age 14 through the public track, and no private school hear can even come close to that. But we did think about that. And I might have given it thought if the private schools near me were good. Here's why I'd be super hesitant: What's to stop your private school from taking your tuition for 1st semester, then as soon as case numbers go up a bit, turn around and say, "Sorry, COVID's too high, for 'safety' we must go to remote learning'? If you can't get it in writing, that a refund is guaranteed if 5-day per week school is closed, then I'd think long and hard before writing the check, if that's the only reason you're thinking of switching. But that's just me.

Honestly we only started here because they offer 8-6 care. We're zoned for a great district but the girls love this place so we may never leave.

 

[Birdstrike]

Honestly we only started here because they offer 8-6 care. We're zoned for a great district but the girls love this place so we may never leave.

What do you mean, the private school you send your kids to?

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

What do you mean, the private school you send your kids to?

Yep. We're actually zoned for the same schools I went to which is part of why we moved where we did. But childcare became an issue so we started them at the main private school here.

 

[Birdstrike]

Yep. We're actually zoned for the same schools I went to which is part of why we moved where we did. But childcare became an issue so we started them at the main private school here.

Okay, cool. My kids are older (11 and 14) so childcare is not a factor anymore. We're more in the, "How does this affect applying to college?" phase. But, yeah, whatever's best for your kids, do that thing. That's what we do. So, 👍

 

[MediMike]

Have you wondered why Democrat politicians uniformly want schools to stay closed and Republicans want them reopened 5 days per week? Is it because Democrats know 'science' and care about people, and Republicans failed science and want people to die? Not exactly. Our world is never that simple.

Rumor has it that the directive has gone down from the top (Pelosi, Schumer, AOC & Omar; Biden has been pushed out of the way and must follow) that if schools reopen on schedule, millions of parents who have not been able to work due to school shutdowns, will return to the work force. That would cause a massive plunge in the unemployment rate and a massive increase in job and economic growth in the next 2-3 months. They've decided that's too risky, because it would increase Presidential and Congressional reelection chances immensely, which have taken a big hit with the economic downturn due to COVID-19. They've told their politicians, Democrat Governors, who've passed it down to school boards, "No matter how much your constituents want this, DO, NOT, GIVE IT TO THEM. It's too risky. Open schools equal an economic boom, which equals people happy, which equals people not wanting change." The whole Democrat party, top to bottom, is on board with the plan through November, and possibly into the 2022 elections if more seats are needed to take/keep the House and Senate. And it's all for political and strategic reasons.

Well I heard a rumour that the Republicans aren't requiring masks because their lizard people overlords don't like social welfare programs and hope to kill off the poor and elderly so that they don't have to pay them. And there are monks that live in the center of the earth. And that you were caught smooching with @vector2 at Suzy's party.

That sounds about as ridiculous as what you said.

 

[TwoHighways]

Well I heard a rumour that the Republicans aren't requiring masks because their lizard people overlords don't like social welfare programs and hope to kill off the poor and elderly so that they don't have to pay them. And there are monks that live in the center of the earth. And that you were caught smooching with @vector2 at Suzy's party.

That sounds about as ridiculous as what you said.

There’s likely more truth in both of these posts than most would like to admit to themselves.

 

[Birdstrike]

Well I heard a rumour that the Republicans aren't requiring masks because their lizard people overlords don't like social welfare programs and hope to kill off the poor and elderly so that they don't have to pay them. And there are monks that live in the center of the earth. And that you were caught smooching with @vector2 at Suzy's party.

All true.

 

[Birdstrike]

Yep. We're actually zoned for the same schools I went to which is part of why we moved where we did. But childcare became an issue so we started them at the main private school here.

FYI: Just make sure there’s no risk of local authorities passing an ordinance that even private schools can’t reopen. It wouldn’t be easy to get your money back. Apparently that just happened in Milwaukee.

 

[Birdstrike]

Well I heard a rumour that the Republicans aren't requiring masks because their lizard people overlords don't like social welfare programs and hope to kill off the poor and elderly so that they don't have to pay them. And there are monks that live in the center of the earth. And that you were caught smooching with @vector2 at Suzy's party.

That sounds about as ridiculous as what you said.

I like the way this relationship is going. I think we're going to like each other a lot.

 

[GeneralVeers]

It's interesting to note that the irrational teachers unions (and they are irrational) are going to harm the kids that the Democrats always claim they want to help the most. Black, brown, poor and underprivileged kids are going to have their education suffer, and be poorer because their parents aren't allowed to work.

Rich, white privileged people will just send their kids to private school or get a home tutor.

Unfortunately the unholy deal, whereby teachers unions funnel campaign contributions to Democrats, who then funnel taxpayer money to teachers unions is going to hurt a lot of people.

 

[Rekt]

It's interesting to note that the irrational teachers unions (and they are irrational) are going to harm the kids that the Democrats always claim they want to help the most. Black, brown, poor and underprivileged kids are going to have their education suffer, and be poorer because their parents aren't allowed to work.

Rich, white privileged people will just send their kids to private school or get a home tutor.

Unfortunately the unholy deal, whereby teachers unions funnel campaign contributions to Democrats, who then funnel taxpayer money to teachers unions is going to hurt a lot of people.

You're making the mistake that Democrats care about poor people and minorities. Reality check. Politicians don't care about anyone.

 

[GeneralVeers]

You're making the mistake that Democrats care about poor people and minorities. Reality check. Politicians don't care about anyone.

You are wrong. Politicians care about themselves and their egos.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

FYI: Just make sure there’s no risk of local authorities passing an ordinance that even private schools can’t reopen. It wouldn’t be easy to get your money back. Apparently that just happened in Milwaukee.

We're on a monthly payment plan, so its not too hard to just stop payment.

One of my neighbors signed up for the lump sum payment (gets like a 5% discount). He's pissed as that was just paid 2 weeks ago and he has the same thought you're articulating.

 

[Birdstrike]

CDC, 7/17/20: "...deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased... twelfth consecutive week during which a declining percentage of deaths..."

 

[xaelia]

CDC, 7/17/20: "...deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased... twelfth consecutive week during which a declining percentage of deaths..."

"...Data for recent weeks are incomplete, and the PIC percentage may increase as more death certificates representing deaths during these weeks are processed."

Sorry to see the previously cited lagging chart is ticking up – and you have to find a laggier one to support an argument for ... ?

 

[thegenius]

Have you wondered why Democrat politicians uniformly want schools to stay closed and Republicans want them reopened 5 days per week? Is it because Democrats know 'science' and care about people, and Republicans failed science and want people to die? Not exactly. Our world is never that simple.

Rumor has it that the directive has gone down from the top (Pelosi, Schumer, AOC & Omar; Biden has been pushed out of the way and must follow) that if schools reopen on schedule, millions of parents who have not been able to work due to school shutdowns, will return to the work force. That would cause a massive plunge in the unemployment rate and a massive increase in job and economic growth in the next 2-3 months. They've decided that's too risky, because it would increase Presidential and Congressional reelection chances immensely, which have taken a big hit with the economic downturn due to COVID-19. They've told their politicians, Democrat Governors, who've passed it down to school boards, "No matter how much your constituents want this, DO, NOT, GIVE IT TO THEM. It's too risky. Open schools equal an economic boom, which equals people happy, which equals people not wanting change." The whole Democrat party, top to bottom, is on board with the plan through November, and possibly into the 2022 elections if more seats are needed to take/keep the House and Senate. And it's all for political and strategic reasons.

Ummm....I don't think this is true.

But I do not question that there are some paid partisan political strategists who have argued your general point. ****-flinging goes both ways.