How many "advanced" biology classes are really necessary to get into med school?

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I am not a science major, so I do not naturally take the advanced bio courses (a&p, genetics, cell bio, biochem) in my degree program.

I am currently doing the required pre med classes (phys,basic and organic chem, and basic bio; all w/ labs) and I plan on taking genetics, biochem, and possibly human A&P on top of those courses.

I am wondering (since I am paying my own tuition) how many of these "extra" courses are truly necessary. Are they really just helpful for the MCAT, or do med schools really place importance on taking these classes??

If they are indeed very important for med school admissions, which of the classes should I take? (i.e. which would look best on an application: genetics, cell bio, a&p, etc.)

Thanks for any helpful replies.

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some med schools strongly encourage biochem
 
I think that biochem would be the most useful, followed by genetics. For the mcat, only mendelian genetics were covered and you should get that from general bio. The A&P stuff can be learned on your own for the mcat.

As for what is really necessary, it will be school-specific. Some schools require biochem, some suggest it, and some don't mention it at all. I'm not aware of any that outright require genetics, but I didn't look at every school either. I would invest in MSAR if you want an easy reference. Otherwise you will need to go to each school's website.
 
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Biochemistry is slowly becoming a prereq at many schools. It will also be tested on the 2015 MCAT.

As for the MCAT, Biochemistry, Physiology, and Genetics are generally helpful for the MCAT, but aren't necessary if you took General Biology.
 
I think that biochem would be the most useful, followed by genetics. For the mcat, only mendelian genetics were covered and you should get that from general bio. The A&P stuff can be learned on your own for the mcat.

As for what is really necessary, it will be school-specific. Some schools require biochem, some suggest it, and some don't mention it at all. I'm not aware of any that outright require genetics, but I didn't look at every school either. I would invest in MSAR if you want an easy reference. Otherwise you will need to go to each school's website.

So med schools will not "look down" on me because all I took was the required classes + biochem + genetics?
 
I hope zero, because that's how many I'll have. I'm not a science major either, so I don't plan on going out of my way to take a biochem or genetics class just for kicks.
 
I wouldn't think so....as long as you have good grades overall. I think they might be concerned if all your other classes are A's but your sciences are B's and C's.
 
Biochem is good to have, you really don't need any more than that.

I had neuroscience courses, as that was my major, but never took any upper level bio classes apart from biochem.

I have classmates who majored in music, history, and a variety of other humanities who didn't have a boatload of upper level bio classes. If the school doesn't require them, you don't need them. If a school recommends certain classes, consider taking them, but it's not a secret requirement.

You won't be looked down upon for just having the basics. I honestly barely even look at applicant course lists.
 
Medical schools place no importance on any of these classes. Some schools require biochemistry. That being said, for the MCAT: genetics helps (mainly because it reviews DNA stuff) and physiology helps (half mcat bio is physio). The bio section likes to test on the most random things so people have had experiences where they've seen graphs that look like ones from classes and may have had advantages but it is rare. In order to interpret those graphs, all you'll need is biology (which should cover the physiology and cell biology tested on the mcat).

Overall, none of the classes are required or look good if taken, but if you're concerned about the MCAT bio section this is the order of priority

1. Physiology
2. Biochemistry
3. Genetics
4. Some advanced cell biology class
5. All other -ology (immunology, micro, neurobio, parisito, histo, etc, etc.)
6. Anatomy
 
Instead of genetics, i would take molecular biology. covers more useful stuff than genetics.
 
You can get in with the bare minim of a year of Bio. Just excel in whatever courses you're taking. Don't worry about what looks good to us. Your acing things looks good.

My own belief is that having Biochem, Cell Bio and Genetics will help you prepare for medical school.

I am not a science major, so I do not naturally take the advanced bio courses (a&p, genetics, cell bio, biochem) in my degree program.

I am currently doing the required pre med classes (phys,basic and organic chem, and basic bio; all w/ labs) and I plan on taking genetics, biochem, and possibly human A&P on top of those courses.

I am wondering (since I am paying my own tuition) how many of these "extra" courses are truly necessary. Are they really just helpful for the MCAT, or do med schools really place importance on taking these classes??

If they are indeed very important for med school admissions, which of the classes should I take? (i.e. which would look best on an application: genetics, cell bio, a&p, etc.)

Thanks for any helpful replies.
 
If you are taking the new MCAT Biochem goes from worthless to essential.
 
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Good luck taking new MCAT with no knowledge of Biochem or Physiology. I recommend everyone who will be taking it to look at all MCAT 2015 foundational concepts and decide what courses at their school will be the best preparation. Passages on chemistry and physics will be written in the context of human body (living systems in AAMC terminology) and my school teaches no anatomy or physiology in gen bio whatsoever.

I don't know what med schools think of this but AAMC is expanding science coursework for the new MCAT.
 
Good luck taking new MCAT with no knowledge of Biochem or Physiology. I recommend everyone who will be taking it to look at all MCAT 2015 foundational concepts and decide what courses at their school will be the best preparation. Passages on chemistry and physics will be written in the context of human body (living systems in AAMC terminology) and my school teaches no anatomy or physiology in gen bio whatsoever.

I don't know what med schools think of this but AAMC is expanding science coursework for the new MCAT.

How can you say this confidently? There's no practice test out...what are you basing that on?
For those taking the previous MCAT, nothing is essential besides Gen Bio so long as you use a solid review book (I know Princeton, Berkeley, or EK are good). Anyone who says otherwise is just overplaying their experience of a passage that stuck out to them on their MCAT. All these things are covered with a solid understanding of Gen Bio and a solid MCAT review.


In case you're wondering OP, here's a summary of what I learned in biochem:

In depth protein folding mechanisms and forces involved, various protein rxns, enzyme kinetics in depth, and then memorization of every little detail of glycolysis (+ thermodynamics) and then second semester was in depth fatty acid metabolism, some more protein stuff, and then a large # of pathways, and endless memorization of subunits of things that made nucleic acids, very minor details about DNA etc. None of that is essential. Could you possibly see a passage about how a drug inhibits the alpha unit of DNA Polymerase III on the MCAT? Yes...but doesn't mean you had to take biochem. You just have to read and understand basic things like what inhibit means/drug/allosteric/rate/yeast are eukaryotes/etc (all in gen bio)

Here's a summary of what I learned in physio:

We learnt about cell physiology and how electric and chemical forces balance the cell (a gen bio concept), then talked about those channels in depth. Then we learned about G-proteins and how they along with channel proteins are highly involved in cell signaling. Then we learnt about action potentials and learned a lot of neurobiology (a lot of which is useful on the MCAT). Afterwards, we learnt a good deal of cardiology from a cellular perspective (like what kind of special channels are needed to cause autorhytmicity) which was also important. Next semester, we learnt about stem cells, the gastrointestinal system (MCAT likes to throw in random discretes about this), endocrinology (can be boiled down to negative feedback), reproductive system (the one exception to negative feedback w/ the LH surge), reproduction, and then we wrapped up with some cool case studies.

For the pre-2015 MCAT, if you want to take a class that probably overlaps the most with what you have to know for the MCAT, it's this one, especially if your Gen Bio wasn't so physio heavy. That being said, the MCAT tests basic physiology so you don't need to know all of what you learnt, just the bare essentials.

As for the new MCAT, who knows...but I wouldn't go as far as saying "Good luck taking the new MCAT with no knowledge of biochem and physiology"...your intro classes should cover the basics...
 
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Upper level science is probably only necessary if your GPA is low/borderline to show schools you can handle the coursework. That being said, physiology, cell bio, and genetics helped me a lot with MCAT, and biochem. is required by so many schools, you should take it.
 
Biochemistry will be the new official prereq when 2015 MCAT kicks in.

Supplementary (i.e. recommended) courses include physiology, genetics and cell biology. The minor ones (anatomy and developmental biology) are school-specific and very rare for the most part.

Good luck taking new MCAT with no knowledge of Biochem or Physiology. I recommend everyone who will be taking it to look at all MCAT 2015 foundational concepts and decide what courses at their school will be the best preparation. Passages on chemistry and physics will be written in the context of human body (living systems in AAMC terminology) and my school teaches no anatomy or physiology in gen bio whatsoever.

I don't know what med schools think of this but AAMC is expanding science coursework for the new MCAT.

It can be self-studied (not for everyone), but yeah, it's becoming increasingly recommended-required to have physiology and biochem down.
 
How can you say this confidently? There's no practice test out...what are you basing that on?

Kaplan is very straightforward about this in their prep books that they already released for the new MCAT.

Also, if you carefully read what AAMC says:

Chemical and Physical Foundations of Biological Systems
59 items, 95 minutes

This section asks you to combine your knowledge of foundational concepts in the chemical and physical sciences with your scientific inquiry, reasoning, and research and statistics skills to solve problems that demonstrate readiness for medical school.

Understanding the mechanical, physical, and biochemical functions of tissues, organs, and organ systems is important to the study of medicine. You will be tested on your knowledge of the basic chemical and physical principles that underlie the mechanisms operating in the human body, and your ability to apply an understanding of these general principles (they are talking about chem with physics here) to living systems.
 
cause theres a biochem section on the new mcat?

Alright fair enough...you're right. I guess if they're requiring biochemistry as an official prereq now, that's 'nuff said.

If it were me reforming the MCAT though, I would make students take less upper level pre-requisites and focus more on general biology concepts and reasoning (like data analysis and statistics).
 
Alright fair enough...you're right. I guess if they're requiring biochemistry as an official prereq now, that's 'nuff said.

If it were me reforming the MCAT though, I would make students take less upper pre-requisites and focus on general biology concepts.

that would make the exam pretty easy haha
 
Alright fair enough...you're right. I guess if they're requiring biochemistry as an official prereq now, that's 'nuff said.

If it were me reforming the MCAT though, I would make students take less upper level pre-requisites and focus more on general biology concepts and reasoning (like data analysis and statistics).

I think on top of all, they will also incorporate those two skills in every section (data analysis and statistics) of the new MCAT as well. I find it hypocritical that they state that students only need this many pre-requisites but at the same time stick in so many more things on top of the official prerequisites they endorse.

I just feel like my entire college career is revolving around preparation for MCAT.
 
that would make the exam pretty easy haha

Not necessarily. You'd be surprised how difficult you could make a critical thinking biology exam. Integrate statistical concepts like specificity/sensitivity/confidence intervals and ask questions like "what evidence in the passage provides the greatest support for the hypothesis "x" and I think that's the way to go. Definitely not easy.
 
I'm so confused, if Biochem/Genetics are upper levels, what are the pre-reqs?
 
At my school, general bio 1 is the prereq for Genetics, Micro, and so on. Gen Bio and Gen chem are the prereqs for Biochem.
 
Take only enough to make yourself a well-rounded non-science major (include biochem in there).
 
Oh I see... My school doesn't have that. Is that just a bunch of random stuff?

yeah..pretty pointless stuff imo. learn about very basic bio concepts as well as about fungi and protists and stuff lol
 
yeah..pretty pointless stuff imo. learn about very basic bio concepts as well as about fungi and protists and stuff lol

it's just super basic biology. like AP biology level stuff

I see, but at least you aren't thrown into Physiology/Biochemistry/Genetics right away, it seems like a nice way to transition for people who did not have AP Biology.
 
I see, but at least you aren't thrown into Physiology/Biochemistry/Genetics right away, it seems like a nice way to transition for people who did not have AP Biology.

oh yeah, definitely. Should always take the intro stuff before going into the advanced stuff
 
Definitely not any other than the new Biochemistry prerequisite, I think some schools even require Genetics or Cell biology now
 
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