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I have been rejected at Midwestern Glendale twice now, denied by U of A, Vegas, Univ of Colorado and University of New Mexico.

How many times can you be rejected by schools before they finally let you in? I am ready to walk away. My science GPA is 3.3.
 
Have you followed up with those schools to see what you can do to improve your application?
 
I have been rejected at Midwestern Glendale twice now, denied by U of A, Vegas, Univ of Colorado and University of New Mexico.

How many times can you be rejected by schools before they finally let you in? I am ready to walk away. My science GPA is 3.3.

as many time they want. it seem like you have a good science gpa of 3.3. did you even get an interview? or did you mess up the interview.
 
I have been rejected at Midwestern Glendale twice now, denied by U of A, Vegas, Univ of Colorado and University of New Mexico.

How many times can you be rejected by schools before they finally let you in? I am ready to walk away. My science GPA is 3.3.

Don't be a quitter. Did you change your application at all between the 1st and 2nd times?

Did you call the schools and ask them what you can do to improve?

Were you rejected before you even got an interview?

Your science GPA is decent, I don't think that is the problem. What is your PCAT composite at?
 
What is your overall GPA? I know tons of people with 4.0 science GPA with cumulative GPA of somewhere around 2.7.

The key is to follow up with the schools and ask them what you can do to improve. However, you applied to some very competitive schools and public schools. Consider applying to newer and private schools. They are "easier" to get in. It matters greatly on what schools you apply to.
 
What i am finding is higher GPA and a higher PCAT. I admit my pcat is not that high, but after this semester I am done and my science gpa should probably be about a 3.4. I just dont think schools are looking at anything besides numbers. What really sucks is Pharmcas is calculating my GPA from classes i took 11 years ago and flunked. If those grades were removed, my gpa would be even higher in pharmcas.


Does anyone know anyone who has walked away after being rejected so much?
 
Don't be a quitter. Did you change your application at all between the 1st and 2nd times?

Did you call the schools and ask them what you can do to improve?

Were you rejected before you even got an interview?

Your science GPA is decent, I don't think that is the problem. What is your PCAT composite at?

I have been rejected at all of them without getting interviews.
 
I have been rejected at all of them without getting interviews.

It happens to the best of us. You should call these schools personally and ask them what you need to improve on. I'm not sure about other schools, but I know that UNM will meet with students.
 
What i am finding is higher GPA and a higher PCAT. I admit my pcat is not that high, but after this semester I am done and my science gpa should probably be about a 3.4. I just dont think schools are looking at anything besides numbers. What really sucks is Pharmcas is calculating my GPA from classes i took 11 years ago and flunked. If those grades were removed, my gpa would be even higher in pharmcas.


Does anyone know anyone who has walked away after being rejected so much?

Did you retake any of the courses that you failed? Maybe you can also trying applying to schools that have March 1st deadlines. There are schools that look at the whole applicant, not just numbers. I think it's partly the schools that you have applied to.
 
What is your PCAT? Anything under 80 you should retake.
 
What is your PCAT? Anything under 80 you should retake.

there are people on this forum who got accepted with pcat scores in mid 60's. so it depends what schools you apply to and when you apply.
 
the journalists always try to make a big story, they blame the wrong people, wrong reason, they make themselves look like moral god, in fact they are stupid.
you don't work in a pharmacy, you don't know what's going on.
and how come that 16 yr old tech remember a prescription she typed 3 months ago. I don't even remember any prescription I typed 3 days ago.
the pharmacist is the one that takes the blame.
overall, the video is stupid and naive and stupid, it's just stupid.
i do feel sorry for the people who got hurt from the errors, but how do I know it's not the doctor called in the wrong thing?
whatever
 
the journalists always try to make a big story, they blame the wrong people, wrong reason, they make themselves look like moral god, in fact they are stupid.
you don't work in a pharmacy, you don't know what's going on.
and how come that 16 yr old tech remember a prescription she typed 3 months ago. I don't even remember any prescription I typed 3 days ago.
the pharmacist is the one that takes the blame.
overall, the video is stupid and naive and stupid, it's just stupid.
i do feel sorry for the people who got hurt from the errors, but how do I know it's not the doctor called in the wrong thing?
whatever

Wrong thread, methinks...
 
I know Nevada is doing the forgiveness. They don't calculate your grades with courses over 5 years ago. There is another school I cannot remember the name on top of my head, but someone might be able to help...they take your higher grades, but once you get in...it's a 5-year program instead of 4. So look for those schools. Look for schools that want science GPA vs schools that look more for the overall GPA. You need to spend a good few weeks going through the school on Pharmcas.
 
What i am finding is higher GPA and a higher PCAT. I admit my pcat is not that high, but after this semester I am done and my science gpa should probably be about a 3.4. I just dont think schools are looking at anything besides numbers. What really sucks is Pharmcas is calculating my GPA from classes i took 11 years ago and flunked. If those grades were removed, my gpa would be even higher in pharmcas.


Does anyone know anyone who has walked away after being rejected so much?

U of A doesn't use pharmcas; and USN you can do the academic forgiveness. Don't give up. I went to the U of A fresh out of high school and tanked my GPA below a 2.0 and actually left on academic probation. I was unfocused and unmotivated to do well. After regrouping I spoke with a counselor about maybe doing pharmacy school and was told that it was unrealistic and I should look elsewhere. I didn't listen and retook classes and completed my prereqs and I got accepted early at my #1 pick. If you really want it go for it. You cannot fail as long as you don't give up.
 
Science GPA is far from the only thing schools consider.

Have you volunteered? Do you have leadership experience? Have you worked in a pharmacy? How is your personal statement? Do you probably have good letters of recommendation? How is your PCAT?

These are all areas you can improve in. A 3.3 science GPA with no extracurriculars, a so-so PCAT, a weak personal statement, and a LOR from a professor that doesn't actually know you isn't going to impress anyone. A 3.3 with hundreds of hours of experience, involvement in various activities, and a kickass PCAT will get the adcoms' attention.
 
Science GPA is far from the only thing schools consider.

Have you volunteered? Do you have leadership experience? Have you worked in a pharmacy? How is your personal statement? Do you probably have good letters of recommendation? How is your PCAT?

These are all areas you can improve in. A 3.3 science GPA with no extracurriculars, a so-so PCAT, a weak personal statement, and a LOR from a professor that doesn't actually know you isn't going to impress anyone. A 3.3 with hundreds of hours of experience, involvement in various activities, and a kickass PCAT will get the adcoms' attention.

don't forget giving back to the community and helping those in need! cause lord knows those who are more fortunate should help the less fortunate. 🙂 Even if it's not necessarily for application, go volunteer and do stuff just because you want to help people and enjoy it.
 
I know I can redo my PCAT and do even better.

Has anyone walked away after getting rejected so many times?
 
I know I can redo my PCAT and do even better.

Has anyone walked away after getting rejected so many times?

This is the third time that you have asked this. The answer is no, no one on here has walked away. If we had, we wouldn't be here. There are people that have been rejected three years in a row, but are still trying. If this is what you want to do, then do it. Call schools and see where you can improve.
 
Of course people have given up - but they aren't going to be posting on a prepharmacy board, now will they?
 
By the number of people who apply compared to the number of people who get accepted over the years, it is pretty safe to assume that many people walk away. I have had many prepharms friends switch to nursing because they were just not getting the grades. All 3 of them are in nursing school now and sound like they are enjoying it, they all want to be NPs eventually os we will see how that goes. Schools can reject you forever if you are a bad applicant, they are not going to eventually feel sorry for you like some stray cat that hangs around outside your door in the cold and eventually let you inside.

Your GPA is fine, same as mine was at least when I was applying and improving your PCAT sounds like a good idea. Focus on things you can improve.
 
APPLY EARLY!!! June is the best time. Your science GPA is decent. However, you should look back and retake those classes that you did not get the grades that you wanted. Now, focus on improving your PCAT score. Get more experience in a pharmacy, more extracurricular activities, volunteers. Also, improve your personal statement, essays, LOR's. A good personal statement does not need to be fancy, it should be from your heart and state what you really want to do and include any hardship, obstacles that you've been through. It is where you can expose your self to the adcoms. Don't give up. Your effort will be paid off one day. Good luck!

Doan
 
This is the third time that you have asked this. The answer is no, no one on here has walked away. If we had, we wouldn't be here. There are people that have been rejected three years in a row, but are still trying. If this is what you want to do, then do it. Call schools and see where you can improve.

Why do you have to be so nasty? I thought we were all supposed to help each other. Jesus christ, my self esteem is in the toilet from so much rejection, dont be so nasty to other people.
 
Why do you have to be so nasty? I thought we were all supposed to help each other. Jesus christ, my self esteem is in the toilet from so much rejection, dont be so nasty to other people.

aww boohoo, the internet made you cry.

sometimes we need to be nasty to get our point across. my guess is that you've asked friends, and they've gussied up your situation and patted you on the back.
 
aww boohoo, the internet made you cry.

sometimes we need to be nasty to get our point across. my guess is that you've asked friends, and they've gussied up your situation and patted you on the back.

wow, what a great person you are to give such wonderful advice. I'm gonna use that advice from now on. How brilliant you are!!!
 
Why do you have to be so nasty? I thought we were all supposed to help each other. Jesus christ, my self esteem is in the toilet from so much rejection, dont be so nasty to other people.

The geographic location of your self-esteem is your choice.

People have asked you some legitimate questions about what you've done to improve your application packet from year to year. I don't remember seeing any answers to that. You appear not to be taking steps to make yourself more competitive. Also, your opening question sounds like you think you're entitled to be admitted to this particular school, but you want to know how many times they're allowed to reject you before finally saying "Okay, it's your turn."

It doesn't work like that. You clearly need to make your application more competitive. Have you contacted the school to find out what you need to do? To help identify your shortcomings? To find places where you need to, oh I don't know.... DO SOMETHING???? Have you made any changes to your application, at all? If I saw the same application coming across my desk a second year, with nothing substantial done by the applicant to make themselves more competitive, the only thing I'd do differently is throw it in the trashcan sooner. A third year wouldn't even make it to the review pile.

Just coming in here whining about rejection after rejection after rejection, with no substantial effort on your part to change your application, is pretty dumb. If you're basing your self-esteem on repeated rejections of the same application, then professional school isn't a good choice for you. Nobody's here to bolster your self-esteem. You got rejected, deal with it. Make yourself more competitive.

Maybe, just maybe, apply to a different school. But absolutely DO SOMETHING like ask where your application fell short....... oh, ANY of the three times.
 
I have been rejected at Midwestern Glendale twice now, denied by U of A, Vegas, Univ of Colorado and University of New Mexico.

How many times can you be rejected by schools before they finally let you in? I am ready to walk away. My science GPA is 3.3.

Don't be passimistic. Keep trying. you will get it eventually. Improve your over all GPA and good PCAT. Repeat those classes that you didn't do well. As other member said that you should call school and found out what you need to improve your chance.

You might need to get variety experiences in Pharmacy such as volunteer in hospital and work in retail, show leadership, .....

Good luck.
 
Why do you have to be so nasty? I thought we were all supposed to help each other. Jesus christ, my self esteem is in the toilet from so much rejection, dont be so nasty to other people.

that wasnt meant for me but just ignore some ppl if their post bother u. if u applied 3 times and u cant get in then u need to ask urself what other options are their. I mean DONT spend your entire life trying to do something, if u cant do it after several tries then its not for u, that dosnt make u a quiter it just means its not for u. A quiter is one who dosnt do supplimentals and says whats the use to trying. If u dont have the stats after aton of trying then look into other jobs or programs and apply to both pharm school and that program, so in case anything at least u have a shot at something.

Everyone comes here and says if its what u want to do then never give up, well thats loaded. Fact is Pharmacy isnt as glamorous as it seems (i have years of experience in a retail setting) nor is a good amount of jobs. The field is so competitive bc MOST ppl do it for the money and its not as tough as med school in a sense. Sure not every1 does it for the money but a pharmacist dosnt really get to counsel patients alot but just reviews aton of rx like crazy. now in a hospital setting might be different, i cant say bc ive never been in one.

SO dont think pharmacy is ur only options in life, life is about providing for u and ur family and doing what makes u happy. money dosnt have to make u happy and if u want to help ppl then allow a portion of ur paycheck to go to an orphanage or something. NEVERTHELESS THIS IS MY 2ND TIME SO I DIDNT GIVE UP AND IM ACCEPTED TO ONE SCHOOL so far. gl
 
The geographic location of your self-esteem is your choice.

haha.... it's why it's called SELF-esteem.

I just want to bitch slap people when they say things like "you lower my self-esteem!" It's like...STFU and take it you weak little bitch!
 
wow, what a great person you are to give such wonderful advice. I'm gonna use that advice from now on. How brilliant you are!!!

hah fine i'll give you some advice you can use (though you DO need thicker skin)...you're applying to the wrong schools, and you haven't given us enough info to make a solid assessment.

1) how's your overall GPA?
2) PCAT?
3) essay?

I got into school with a far more dismal GPA than you did...so we need more info. I think you're applying to the wrong schools for your stats.

In the end....if you keep knocking and you can't get in, you're just wasting your own time and possibly $$$ per year out of work. People walk away all the time. Sometimes, walking away is the best/most difficult decision you can make.
 
The geographic location of your self-esteem is your choice.

People have asked you some legitimate questions about what you've done to improve your application packet from year to year. I don't remember seeing any answers to that. You appear not to be taking steps to make yourself more competitive. Also, your opening question sounds like you think you're entitled to be admitted to this particular school, but you want to know how many times they're allowed to reject you before finally saying "Okay, it's your turn."

It doesn't work like that. You clearly need to make your application more competitive. Have you contacted the school to find out what you need to do? To help identify your shortcomings? To find places where you need to, oh I don't know.... DO SOMETHING???? Have you made any changes to your application, at all? If I saw the same application coming across my desk a second year, with nothing substantial done by the applicant to make themselves more competitive, the only thing I'd do differently is throw it in the trashcan sooner. A third year wouldn't even make it to the review pile.

Just coming in here whining about rejection after rejection after rejection, with no substantial effort on your part to change your application, is pretty dumb. If you're basing your self-esteem on repeated rejections of the same application, then professional school isn't a good choice for you. Nobody's here to bolster your self-esteem. You got rejected, deal with it. Make yourself more competitive.

Maybe, just maybe, apply to a different school. But absolutely DO SOMETHING like ask where your application fell short....... oh, ANY of the three times.



At least you are honest without being nasty. I appreciate that.
 
hah fine i'll give you some advice you can use (though you DO need thicker skin)...you're applying to the wrong schools, and you haven't given us enough info to make a solid assessment.

1) how's your overall GPA?
2) PCAT?
3) essay?

I got into school with a far more dismal GPA than you did...so we need more info. I think you're applying to the wrong schools for your stats.

In the end....if you keep knocking and you can't get in, you're just wasting your own time and possibly $$$ per year out of work. People walk away all the time. Sometimes, walking away is the best/most difficult decision you can make.


If this wasnt a board, i would have plenty to say to you. I dont need thicker skin, what you need is respect for other people. Obviously my GPA is better than you so dont tell me what I need...you're not my father. I dont need your advice
 
It's kinda funny how ridiculously twatish some ppl are on these forums lol...
 
hey stewiefan2006, you shouldn't give up, maybe it's the personal statement, because that's also the make it or break it part of the process. I don't really have a high gpa, but my personal statement got me 4 interviews out of 5 schools I applied to. You should ask the pharmacists to look at your essay, and revise many, many times! good luck!
 
If this wasnt a board, i would have plenty to say to you. I dont need thicker skin, what you need is respect for other people. Obviously my GPA is better than you so dont tell me what I need...you're not my father. I dont need your advice

And yet, Confetti is in Pharmacy school, while you are not. Respect must be earned in this game.


Bottom line is that you messed up somewhere on your application. Call up the schools and ask why you were not accepted and how you can improve. A 3.3 sounds good to me, so it's probably the one of the other 3 factors (essay, PCAT, LoR).


"Nothing in life worth having will come easy. Now get off your keester and do something about it." - Dr. Bob Kelso.


If you want to be a pharmacist enough, then go improve your app.
 
And yet, Confetti is in Pharmacy school, while you are not. Respect must be earned in this game.

Confetti will also probably reject partials for patients out of refills for blood pressure, cause it was "their own fault for not paying attention". 👎
 
Hey stewie...

In the end whether or not you choose to pursue pharmacy is just up to you. If you truely want to be a pharmacist, getting these rejection letters should make you strive more to improve yourself. Try applying to the newer schools and apply early. Since you pcat score is not that great, try applying to CA schools which does not require pcat. There is a new pharmacy school in sacramento, ca that seems to be accepting anyone so you should apply there. The school is called california northstate. try to google that name. I don't think the school name will come up if you use yahoo (at least not when i tried it) good luck.
 
Interesting attitudes all around.

It helps to ask the right question. It helps even more to give enough information to provide sufficient direction. If you want the advice of people who walked away, I doubt you'll find any since the people here obviously haven't and most can't imagine why someone would ask, "when is it time to give up?" (That seems the best restatement of the question.)

Now there are people here who can tell you what to do to get accepted if you haven't after the first, second, or even the third try. That's not the question you asked though. You also don't seem very keen on listening to the answers (though who can blame you on some of them). The point being, decide whether or not you really want to try again. If you decide you do, then be willing to take good advice from less than pleasant people in addition to good advice from those who are more conciliatory. Either way, your self-esteem, or lack thereof, isn't going to sway an adcom. If you need help with a PS, there are threads for that. If you want help with interviewing, there are threads and feedback for that as well. If you want to know how to dress, what to say, where to put ECs, how to get experience, there's info all over this board. Be willing to look, and be willing to overlook people's bad habits and listen to good advice where ever you can find it. If you don't know what's good advice and what's not, find someone you trust, who might have some sense about the subject and ask them. In the end, if you want to change the result, you have to change the factors that brought that result about. If you don't know what they are, do some research. As many have said, the people who said, "No," know what it takes to get a "yes." They'd be your best source for what needs to be done. If you feel it's too much to go through all of this, then don't do it, but it's not our choice either way.
 
Confetti will also probably reject partials for patients out of refills for blood pressure, cause it was "their own fault for not paying attention". 👎




that's so true...he is such a jerk
 
lol...i just say what everyone else is thinking in their heads.
 
Tossing around insults, even if you think they're true, won't win you many friends. Some of the more informed, more experienced people can be harsh. Better to keep quiet and learn than to start throwing labels out.
 
oh mr. trojan man farmercyst, you're so much more diplomatic than i am. :hardy:

but i'm glad you implictly agree with what i've been writing :luck:
 
Some of the more informed, more experienced people can be harsh.
Usually the ones who weren't loved enough as a child tho 😍. Eitherway, anyone can be an asshat, but I'll gladly label em as such when they are.
 
I'm gonna write this again. You are applying to the wrong schools. You need to apply early to newer private schools. Public schools are a lot harder to get in especially for out of state students since I see that you applied to U of A, University of New Mexico and Colorado. So if you've already been rejected, then start gathering some LORs and get some experience if you haven't had any, then spend some time on pharmcas to go through the schools.
 
You applied to the thoughest instate schools (UCSF being one of them), and very tough out-of-state schools. Colorado is very, very hard to get into out of state. New Mexico hardly takes anyone from out-of-state, and Arizona is very tough to get into.

You should apply to the following schools instead, which are private AND have accepted people with 3.3 GPA's for sure!

Nova, Palm Beach Atlantic, LECOM-Bradenton, Mercer (which values pharmacy experience more than GPA), South, Loma Linda, Midwestern (both campuses), MCPHS-Worcester, Appalachia (which has accepted some people with slightly under 3.0!)

If you apply to the 10 most difficult schools (in-state and out-of-state), even I would expect to be rejected from some or perhaps even all of them even with 3.9 overall GPA and a PhD!

Research the schools, and figure out what chances you have.

I did the same thing when I applied to stat PhD program. I only went to undergrad for 2 years and one year of CC with a high GPA and high GRE. But unfortunately, my undergrad was not rated very highly, and it was seen that my academic background was questionable for graduate study. Many US applicants came from established math departments KNOWN for their excellent undergrad education such as St. Olaf College in Minnesota, Cal Polytech in San Luis Obispo, CA, the same college as the graduate school in many cases, Purdue undergraduate in mathematics, and Brigham Young University in statistics. So I KNEW that I was up against them. So I researched schools that met my goal of going into the pharmaceutical industry and was willing to give an applicant with a high GPA and GRE from a not well-known school a chance. Plus my personal statement, and goal, was to work for the pharmaceutical industry. So I tried to find schools that sent their graduates in that direction. So I only applied to 5 schools, got admitted to 3, and funding offers from 2 of the schools (NC State and Ohio State).

You need to do your own research. E-mail and cal the faculty and students, and see if you are a good fit for the school.

I think you need to do more research about where to apply. Also NEVER use exactly the same personal statement from school to school. See what the schools mission is. South, for example, is more about training retail pharmacists quickly. So on this statement you would write about the role of a retail pharmacist and how you are interested in that. A school, like UCSF, on the other hand, wants the prospective students to think more outside the conventional role of a pharmacist, such as a clinical pharmacists' job, and even the role of pharmacy in such places as the industry or academia. So then in this personal statement, you would write about how you are interested in that role, and that UCSF's strong research component and excellent special programs (PHarmD / Phd, for example) can help you achieve that goal.

I think you should definitely NOT give up, but just do some more research. Other factors besides GPA, (such as personal statemnet, your pharmacy experience especially, and whether you are applying to the right schools) ARE MORE IMPORTANT FACTORS BY FAR!!!
 
When school is considering applications, they are not looking at whether this is the first or the fifteenth time someone is applying. They are looking at the qualifications of the candidate, and how they compare to all other candidates. That's all. Therefore, whether you are admitted, depends on a)how strong your application is, b) how strong the candidate pool as a whole is, and both can vary considerably from year to year. I do know a few people who got in on their third time applying, but I also know a lot of people who were rejected fourth and fifth time around. Can you still get in? Yes, but not without substantial work on your part, since you didn't even get invited to any interviews.
 
oh mr. trojan man farmercyst, you're so much more diplomatic than i am. :hardy:

but i'm glad you implictly agree with what i've been writing :luck:

In this thread I can see one part of one post I agree with.
you're applying to the wrong schools, and you haven't given us enough info to make a solid assessment.

1) how's your overall GPA?
2) PCAT?
3) essay?

I got into school with a far more dismal GPA than you did...so we need more info. I think you're applying to the wrong schools for your stats.

In the end....if you keep knocking and you can't get in, you're just wasting your own time and possibly $$$ per year out of work. People walk away all the time. Sometimes, walking away is the best/most difficult decision you can make.

I'm just pretty decent at ignoring useless info. I'd prefer it if other people were as well. That doesn't mean you should have free reign to instigate, but I'm trying to be less of a nazi.😉
 
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