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I don't suspect bryndi
Then whyd you mention her as an either/or?
I don't suspect bryndi
lol OK what kind of threat is this
I don't think wz said AM was hard village.. I think wz made statements like "She is definitely NOT a wolf" which WAS true...🙄
It's a hard vouch. The reasons are solid. I just can't talk about them. How is this a difficult concept?
I've shared what I could.
Oh and don't call it a soft vouch. She's not a wolf. Full stop.
I was evaluating mutts reason for voting weimThen whyd you mention her as an either/or?
I came up with a theory of a different role that I thought you had so this is interesting.Not a threat, but I make the game more fun (passively).
You're right, she didn't say she was village. But she "hard vouched" for her multiple times:
So no, she didn't say that AM was village, but I've never seen anyone hard vouch for chaos. If she hard vouched for AM as chaos then it would have thrown up massive red flags, as everything I've ever seen from anyone has said to kill anything that's not village with fire until ded. The only reason I can think of that Dubz would vouch for AM knowing AM was chaos was if AM really was going to shoot Dubz's top wolf read (Capri). Now that Dubz has flipped village, I believe that statement more and am inclined to go with a Capri lynch today.
AM being third party muddies the water so I'm not sure. We have no idea what her win conditions were which means that we cannot trust anything that she said, so I will have to go back and look at stagg independent of his interactions of AM.And she flipped 3rd party, what are your thoughts on stagg now?
Stagg - previously stated village lean reevaluated neutral, since WZ's NK could lean more wolf here -
Capri - neutral - never really see much from her, definitely more substance this game which could be NAI
I came up with a theory of a different role that I thought you had so this is interesting.
Are you neutral?
How come?I've been on the fence about Snowy, but posts from today make me feel worse about her.
How come?
YesHow come I feel worse about her?
LOL you bring up the Reading game every game we play together, and every time I tell you that Reading is the exception and not the rule.Capri has been sketchy to me for a while. Her comment earlier about "wolves not voting together" struck me as odd, because she did exactly this as a wolf when she sheeped all of wolf AM's votes until AM was lynched (I think in Reading) and ended up with a wolf win because everyone said "wolves wouldn't vote that poorly". If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.
Why?Lynch capri
Capri has been sketchy to me for a while. Her comment earlier about "wolves not voting together" struck me as odd, because she did exactly this as a wolf when she sheeped all of wolf AM's votes until AM was lynched (I think in Reading) and ended up with a wolf win because everyone said "wolves wouldn't vote that poorly". If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.
Oh right and I forgot to ask you why those three specifically?LOL you bring up the Reading game every game we play together, and every time I tell you that Reading is the exception and not the rule.
It was, for the record, completely accidental anyway.
I'm still good with a stagg lynch tomorrow. AM may have been a third party, but I bet she was actually wolf-hunting as she likes village more then wolves. Going to think on my dubz read, though I'm thinking it leans her village. She would definitely save chaos (especially if its AM) no matter affiliation so NAI for her. Its really weird AM didn't tell mel she was third party...but I don't see why he would lie about that.
The fact that we had a village ability seer makes me think that the abilities are more affiliation determined this game. So if an ability seems wolfy, it probably is. And if it seems village, it probably is.
I could go with Stagg, Lupin, or Cubs today. Cubs needs to answer the PM I just sent though before I’ll vote.
LOL you bring up the Reading game every game we play together, and every time I tell you that Reading is the exception and not the rule.
It was, for the record, completely accidental anyway.
Oh right and I forgot to ask you why those three specifically?
I'm not saying you should throw the baby out with the bath water. VCA is still valid, obviously. But the argument "wolves wouldn't vote that way" is still valid because >95% of the time wolves are not going to vote together every day like in Reading.Because it's a great example of why the "wolves wouldn't vote that way" argument is complete WIFOM and get people to completely disregard the VCA.
Don't forget that VMH was village for half that game.Kara and Lupin because I think they're sketchy (for reasons stated earlier) and d/t VCA. VMH d/t tone (feels like Dogs) and VCA.
I'm not saying you should throw the baby out with the bath water. VCA is still valid, obviously. But the argument "wolves wouldn't vote that way" is still valid because >95% of the time wolves are not going to vote together every day like in Reading.
I mean if you're seeing 4-6 players voting for the same person several days in a row in this game, let me know because I'm not seeing it. I think it's safe to say the wolves are not consistently voting together this game.
Don't forget that VMH was village for half that game.
Also what I was trying to get at is what is the connection between those three?
Hi there everybody, just a heads up that I'm catching up on thread now, but anticipate that my overall level of participation will remain low for the foreseeable future. I have been struggling badly this week with the death of a friend and have asked the mods to look for a sub for me.
Thank you. I couldn't make it to his funeral today (too far away), but will be going to a memorial service for him at our school next week and I think that grieving with others in a public space will help me get some closureSorry for the loss VMH. Hope things get better, hang in there girl.
So this explains part of the three night kill (I think somebody mentioned AM said she killed shelter?), so wolves likely have a double kill mechanism of some sort unless we have even more players with kills kicking around. I haven't seen the night write up yet but would be interested to see if there was another double kill or if it seems related to certain conditions like the extra kills in Finn/Ski games tend to be
It does somehow seem very on brand for @WildZoo to try really hard to wolf hunt and accidentally kill villagers in the processFor whoever it was who asked earliet, this circle of eventa plus on thread tone makes me feel fairly confident that Dubz is village.
lolAnd I agree she was playing her village game here, minus the whole shooting people thing
I never said that I was good, just rude for you to say I’m notProve me otherwise.
As a plus, if he gets shot then he can become an official member of the Mel Aeronautical Cow SocietySounds to me like you were gonna git' shot soon. lol
The above felt like an overly fishy approach to this particular line of questioningHappy to answer, but first I'd like to know how you hard cleared AM.
Every time someone tries to play Super Spy I have horrible flashbacks to how out of the loop and confused I felt every time STL did his thing in WW games lolNote that AM was getting some headway in her defense by using PM. Note that when PM intel is brought to the class, more people are able to judge it and also come forward with their own info that may be useful.
Keeping things to yourselves in small little factions leaving the rest of the village in the dark and unable to offer their own judgments, only sets us all up to be in the shadow of your blind spot.
The above felt like an overly fishy approach to this particular line of questioning
It's WIFOM - I can see a scenario where WZ was killed to frame someone likely Capri - which you're falling right in toI'm concerned about this NKA. Why would Dubz's death make me more wolfy but not Capri? Dubz had been pushing a Capri lynch for a while and even said she wanted AM to try and NK her. So why does this add sketch to me and not Capri? Seems off to me.
If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.
I'm going to hope that this is accurate, but a living player posting in ******* raises some doubts in my mind**************************************
Day 5 It's Friesian Friday Lynch Tally
Stagg (3) - Weim, snowy, Skim
Skim (1) - skiski
Lupin (4) - Mel, coffee, Dina, Mutts
capri (2) - Stagg, MJ
10/20 voting
Lupin you are in the lead!
Lynch close at 9pm CST (~5 hrs remaining)
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I'm going to hope that this is accurate, but a living player posting in ******* raises some doubts in my mind
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When I was a kid I was obsessed with this movie and loved Bullseye. I had a little cowgirl costume that I wore almost every day and I tried to get my parents to change my name to Jessie*****************
Wolves just threw THE CUTEST HORSE TOY in the TRASH
I am upset
Go village!
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It's WIFOM - I can see a scenario where WZ was killed to frame someone likely Capri - which you're falling right in to
If Capri flips village, what will you learn?
I think there is a least 1 wolf between those 4. Not sure who though -
Lynch Lupin
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I'm going to hope that this is accurate, but a living player posting in ******* raises some doubts in my mind
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If your ability is passive why didnt it go through?Last night I "felt a huge presence standing over me". Just throwing that out there.
My current general thoughts:
I still want to to crack the Kara/Lupin/VMH egg. That being said, now that Kara has come back and is participating more I'm actually feeling better about her, so more inclined for a Lupin vote than KB. Plus a Lupin lynch will still give info on KB and VMH.
Capri has been sketchy to me for a while. Her comment earlier about "wolves not voting together" struck me as odd, because she did exactly this as a wolf when she sheeped all of wolf AM's votes until AM was lynched (I think in Reading) and ended up with a wolf win because everyone said "wolves wouldn't vote that poorly". If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.
I've been on the fence about Snowy, but posts from today make me feel worse about her.
I'm also on the fence about Mutts but this post was interesting to me:
I'm concerned about this NKA. Why would Dubz's death make me more wolfy but not Capri? Dubz had been pushing a Capri lynch for a while and even said she wanted AM to try and NK her. So why does this add sketch to me and not Capri? Seems off to me.
Nope, I am village. I've got no problem role revealing at this point. I don't think it would actually have an effect either way, which should be evident based on my actions so far. I'm disappointed that my action last night didn't go through though, would have been fun.
So we have "a huge presence" and a "small and formidable" presence? I'm intrigued by the differences in flavor text - two blockers, or something else afoot?Last night I "felt a huge presence standing over me". Just throwing that out there.
My current general thoughts:
I still want to to crack the Kara/Lupin/VMH egg. That being said, now that Kara has come back and is participating more I'm actually feeling better about her, so more inclined for a Lupin vote than KB. Plus a Lupin lynch will still give info on KB and VMH.
Capri has been sketchy to me for a while. Her comment earlier about "wolves not voting together" struck me as odd, because she did exactly this as a wolf when she sheeped all of wolf AM's votes until AM was lynched (I think in Reading) and ended up with a wolf win because everyone said "wolves wouldn't vote that poorly". If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.
I've been on the fence about Snowy, but posts from today make me feel worse about her.
I'm also on the fence about Mutts but this post was interesting to me:
I'm concerned about this NKA. Why would Dubz's death make me more wolfy but not Capri? Dubz had been pushing a Capri lynch for a while and even said she wanted AM to try and NK her. So why does this add sketch to me and not Capri? Seems off to me.
Nope, I am village. I've got no problem role revealing at this point. I don't think it would actually have an effect either way, which should be evident based on my actions so far. I'm disappointed that my action last night didn't go through though, would have been fun.
Little column A, little column BI mean, Dubz came on thread and said she had clear evidence that AM was performing NKs. Dubz also said that even if she did believe it was a village thing she felt like she had to vote for AM anyway due to the overwhelming evidence (which she shared on thread). Then Dubz came back and basically said 'nvmd, she's actually hard cleared but I can't tell you why' and later said part of her reasoning was that AM was moving lynch votes. You really don't think that's something worth finding out more about? So yea, I wanted more info and so did half the other players in the game.
Unless you're saying I'm overly fishy because I'm Staggikarp. Then I applaud your pun.
When I was a kid I was obsessed with this movie and loved Bullseye. I had a little cowgirl costume that I wore almost every day and I tried to get my parents to change my name to Jessie
I voted for you because I find you sketchy.Why Cubs? Also, you never answered why you voted for me. I'd like to hear some better contributions from you when you get the chance.
If I told you it was Stagg, can he be actually mod-killed?{WHOEVER DELETED THE GIF IS (almost) MOD KILLED}
I've thought Capri was wolfy since before the Dubz flip. You say I'm falling into a trap but you commented that the Dubz flip made me look more sketch, so same trap you're saying I fell into. I'll ask again, if you think the Dubz flip makes me seem more sketchy, why does it not also make Capri seem more sketchy?
I think there's 2 wolves between those 4. If Capri flips village I learn that myself and at least 2 dead non-wolves were wrong and that I need to re-evaluate my reads. It also moves Mel more towards my wolf leans.
Looking at the night kills last night has me somewhat convinced that the wolves read Dubz' strong conviction that AM was not a wolf as evidence that either she or a PM partner had seered AM, and elected to use the double kill on Dubz and her PM partner in an effort to kill a seer
which to some degree reads like relatively advanced wolfery and leans me a little more suspicious of there being at least one wolf who is more seasoned