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lol OK what kind of threat is this

Not a threat, but I make the game more fun (passively).

I don't think wz said AM was hard village.. I think wz made statements like "She is definitely NOT a wolf" which WAS true...🙄

You're right, she didn't say she was village. But she "hard vouched" for her multiple times:

It's a hard vouch. The reasons are solid. I just can't talk about them. How is this a difficult concept?
I've shared what I could.

Oh and don't call it a soft vouch. She's not a wolf. Full stop.

So no, she didn't say that AM was village, but I've never seen anyone hard vouch for chaos. If she hard vouched for AM as chaos then it would have thrown up massive red flags, as everything I've ever seen from anyone has said to kill anything that's not village with fire until ded. The only reason I can think of that Dubz would vouch for AM knowing AM was chaos was if AM really was going to shoot Dubz's top wolf read (Capri). Now that Dubz has flipped village, I believe that statement more and am inclined to go with a Capri lynch today.
 
Not a threat, but I make the game more fun (passively).



You're right, she didn't say she was village. But she "hard vouched" for her multiple times:




So no, she didn't say that AM was village, but I've never seen anyone hard vouch for chaos. If she hard vouched for AM as chaos then it would have thrown up massive red flags, as everything I've ever seen from anyone has said to kill anything that's not village with fire until ded. The only reason I can think of that Dubz would vouch for AM knowing AM was chaos was if AM really was going to shoot Dubz's top wolf read (Capri). Now that Dubz has flipped village, I believe that statement more and am inclined to go with a Capri lynch today.
I came up with a theory of a different role that I thought you had so this is interesting.

Are you neutral?
 
And she flipped 3rd party, what are your thoughts on stagg now?
AM being third party muddies the water so I'm not sure. We have no idea what her win conditions were which means that we cannot trust anything that she said, so I will have to go back and look at stagg independent of his interactions of AM.
 
Last night I "felt a huge presence standing over me". Just throwing that out there.

My current general thoughts:

I still want to to crack the Kara/Lupin/VMH egg. That being said, now that Kara has come back and is participating more I'm actually feeling better about her, so more inclined for a Lupin vote than KB. Plus a Lupin lynch will still give info on KB and VMH.

Capri has been sketchy to me for a while. Her comment earlier about "wolves not voting together" struck me as odd, because she did exactly this as a wolf when she sheeped all of wolf AM's votes until AM was lynched (I think in Reading) and ended up with a wolf win because everyone said "wolves wouldn't vote that poorly". If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.

I've been on the fence about Snowy, but posts from today make me feel worse about her.

I'm also on the fence about Mutts but this post was interesting to me:

Stagg - previously stated village lean reevaluated neutral, since WZ's NK could lean more wolf here -
Capri - neutral - never really see much from her, definitely more substance this game which could be NAI

I'm concerned about this NKA. Why would Dubz's death make me more wolfy but not Capri? Dubz had been pushing a Capri lynch for a while and even said she wanted AM to try and NK her. So why does this add sketch to me and not Capri? Seems off to me.

I came up with a theory of a different role that I thought you had so this is interesting.

Are you neutral?

Nope, I am village. I've got no problem role revealing at this point. I don't think it would actually have an effect either way, which should be evident based on my actions so far. I'm disappointed that my action last night didn't go through though, would have been fun.
 
I'm going to

Lynch Capri

She's been on my sketchy list for a while, and with the current info there are too many roads that lead back to her. A Capri flip would yield info on the KB/Lupin/VMH situation as well as info on Mutts.
 
Lynch Lupin

I feel like there's been a lot of sketchy-ness surrounding her and then she kind of disappeared in the background.
 
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Day 5 It's Friesian Friday Lynch Tally
Stagg (2) - Weim, snowy
Skim (1) - skiski
Lupin (3) - Mel, coffee, Dina
capri (1) - Stagg

7/20 voting
Lupin you are in the lead!

Lynch close at 9pm CST (~5 hrs remaining)

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Capri has been sketchy to me for a while. Her comment earlier about "wolves not voting together" struck me as odd, because she did exactly this as a wolf when she sheeped all of wolf AM's votes until AM was lynched (I think in Reading) and ended up with a wolf win because everyone said "wolves wouldn't vote that poorly". If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.
LOL you bring up the Reading game every game we play together, and every time I tell you that Reading is the exception and not the rule.
It was, for the record, completely accidental anyway.
 
Capri has been sketchy to me for a while. Her comment earlier about "wolves not voting together" struck me as odd, because she did exactly this as a wolf when she sheeped all of wolf AM's votes until AM was lynched (I think in Reading) and ended up with a wolf win because everyone said "wolves wouldn't vote that poorly". If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.
LOL you bring up the Reading game every game we play together, and every time I tell you that Reading is the exception and not the rule.
It was, for the record, completely accidental anyway.
Oh right and I forgot to ask you why those three specifically?
 

The quotes below:

I'm still good with a stagg lynch tomorrow. AM may have been a third party, but I bet she was actually wolf-hunting as she likes village more then wolves. Going to think on my dubz read, though I'm thinking it leans her village. She would definitely save chaos (especially if its AM) no matter affiliation so NAI for her. Its really weird AM didn't tell mel she was third party...but I don't see why he would lie about that.

Bold made me double take. Would Dubz definitely save chaos all the time? I could see her doing it, but this felt pretty definitive. If Snowy is a wolf, then pack could kill Dubz and snowy would get credit for properly reading that situation. Especially after her tinfoil (which I don't remember) was supposedly true. The last line also feels like it's a little pocket-y towards Mel. I don't think that's what was happening, but the wording kind of feels that way.

The fact that we had a village ability seer makes me think that the abilities are more affiliation determined this game. So if an ability seems wolfy, it probably is. And if it seems village, it probably is.

This seems like a great way to try and get people to lynch certain roles which should be NAI. It also seems like she's trying to make a strong argument while not actually saying anything all that useful. Just another post that seems weird to me, especially because I think it's wrong.

I could go with Stagg, Lupin, or Cubs today. Cubs needs to answer the PM I just sent though before I’ll vote.

Why Cubs? Also, you never answered why you voted for me. I'd like to hear some better contributions from you when you get the chance.

LOL you bring up the Reading game every game we play together, and every time I tell you that Reading is the exception and not the rule.
It was, for the record, completely accidental anyway.

Because it's a great example of why the "wolves wouldn't vote that way" argument is complete WIFOM and get people to completely disregard the VCA.

Oh right and I forgot to ask you why those three specifically?

Kara and Lupin because I think they're sketchy (for reasons stated earlier) and d/t VCA. VMH d/t tone (feels like Dogs) and VCA.
 
Because it's a great example of why the "wolves wouldn't vote that way" argument is complete WIFOM and get people to completely disregard the VCA.
I'm not saying you should throw the baby out with the bath water. VCA is still valid, obviously. But the argument "wolves wouldn't vote that way" is still valid because >95% of the time wolves are not going to vote together every day like in Reading.
I mean if you're seeing 4-6 players voting for the same person several days in a row in this game, let me know because I'm not seeing it. I think it's safe to say the wolves are not consistently voting together this game.
Kara and Lupin because I think they're sketchy (for reasons stated earlier) and d/t VCA. VMH d/t tone (feels like Dogs) and VCA.
Don't forget that VMH was village for half that game.
Also what I was trying to get at is what is the connection between those three?
 
Can someone color code this? I'm still at work and also am lazy with this kind of thing.

Day 1 Aaaand they're off! Lynch Tally


Lupin () -
Mel (1) - Cray
Kara (3) - Mel, dolphin, Stagg
Weim (1) - AM
Cray (1) - Gwen
Capri (2) - skim, Dubz
Dina () -
SAR () -
Coffee? (3) - shelter, MJ, Ski
Zigjazz (1) - killer
AM () -
killer (5) - SAR, mutts, cubs, Dina, Bryndi
Shelter () -
Bryndi (5) - Karabeans, meats, snowy, Lupes, coffee
Miranda (3) - ziggy, barks, genny
genny () -
Dolphin (1) - Miranda
gwen (1) - capri

27/29 voting
PHOTO FINISH between @bryndiana.jones & @killerleaf


Day 2 A Little Like a Liverpool Lynch Tally

MOOSE (6)
- zigzag, SAR, genny, meats, lupin, cray
Cray () -
Gwen (1) - AM
capri (2) - Dubz, MJ
MSU (2) - bryndi, capri
bryndi (1) - Weim
Kara (5) - Cubs, MOOSE, Mel, mutts, stagg
Coffee (1) - Ski
SAR (1) - killer
Lupin (1) - Dina
dubz (1) - Snowy
Stagg (2) - dolph, skim
AM (1) - coffee

24/28 voting

Missing: @MSUcvmHOPE @Gwenevre @sheltermed @Karabiner13


Day 3 Woah There, Wednesday Lynch Tally


Kara (5) - mel, weim, MSU, coffee, cubs
Capri (1) - dubz
Gwen (6) - AM, genny, ski, stagg, kara, lupin
Dubz () -
Stagg (4) - SAR, bryndi, skim, snowy
Coffee (2) - meats, MJ
AM () -
SAR (1) - Killer
Mel () -
MSU (1) - Capri
Lupin (1) - cray
Cray (1) - mutts

22/24 voting

Missing:
@Dinashadow@Gwenevre

Day 4 Thoroughbred Thursday Lynch Tally

AM (10) - meats, cray, SAR, bryndi, cubs, snowy, skim, MSU, Stagg
Kara () -
Mutts () -
Mel () -
MJ () -
capri (2) - MJ, lupin
MSU (2) - killer, capri
Stagg (7) - Dubz, genny, AM, Weim, Kara, Mel, Dina
Weim (1) - mutts

21/22 voting

Missing: Coffee
 
Hi there everybody, just a heads up that I'm catching up on thread now, but anticipate that my overall level of participation will remain low for the foreseeable future. I have been struggling badly this week with the death of a friend and have asked the mods to look for a sub for me.
 
I'm not saying you should throw the baby out with the bath water. VCA is still valid, obviously. But the argument "wolves wouldn't vote that way" is still valid because >95% of the time wolves are not going to vote together every day like in Reading.
I mean if you're seeing 4-6 players voting for the same person several days in a row in this game, let me know because I'm not seeing it. I think it's safe to say the wolves are not consistently voting together this game.

Don't forget that VMH was village for half that game.
Also what I was trying to get at is what is the connection between those three?

So I've already stated the connection between Kara and Lupin. VMH was initially there d/t VCA on D1 and 2 where her and Lupin voted together and on D2 they were near the end where the vote swung to lynch Moose. D3 she lynched coffee because??? (legit can remember her reason), but stayed away from the last minute shenanigans. I know I had other semi-tin-foily reasons that there was a connection, but my brain is fried and I don't recall them off the top of my head. Will go back and look if I have time tonight if you want, but I do remember that I had some connection with her to both the KB/Lupin group and the AM/Dubz situation. She was more of a "if this happens, then that becomes more likely" situation in terms of actual logic, which is why I haven't talked about voting for her.

At this point I'd vote for you or Lupin. I'd also be okay with a KB lynch, but she has moved farther down my list for the time being.
 
Hi there everybody, just a heads up that I'm catching up on thread now, but anticipate that my overall level of participation will remain low for the foreseeable future. I have been struggling badly this week with the death of a friend and have asked the mods to look for a sub for me.

Sorry for the loss VMH. Hope things get better, hang in there girl.
 
Sorry for the loss VMH. Hope things get better, hang in there girl.
Thank you. I couldn't make it to his funeral today (too far away), but will be going to a memorial service for him at our school next week and I think that grieving with others in a public space will help me get some closure
 
I'm only current on page 40 atm so ignore me if these things got answered later

Retired is @Animal Midwife - Mine That Bird, 3x kill/vote controller
So this explains part of the three night kill (I think somebody mentioned AM said she killed shelter?), so wolves likely have a double kill mechanism of some sort unless we have even more players with kills kicking around. I haven't seen the night write up yet but would be interested to see if there was another double kill or if it seems related to certain conditions like the extra kills in Finn/Ski games tend to be

For whoever it was who asked earliet, this circle of eventa plus on thread tone makes me feel fairly confident that Dubz is village.
It does somehow seem very on brand for @WildZoo to try really hard to wolf hunt and accidentally kill villagers in the process

And I agree she was playing her village game here, minus the whole shooting people thing
lol
 
Sounds to me like you were gonna git' shot soon. lol
As a plus, if he gets shot then he can become an official member of the Mel Aeronautical Cow Society

Happy to answer, but first I'd like to know how you hard cleared AM.
The above felt like an overly fishy approach to this particular line of questioning

Note that AM was getting some headway in her defense by using PM. Note that when PM intel is brought to the class, more people are able to judge it and also come forward with their own info that may be useful.

Keeping things to yourselves in small little factions leaving the rest of the village in the dark and unable to offer their own judgments, only sets us all up to be in the shadow of your blind spot.
Every time someone tries to play Super Spy I have horrible flashbacks to how out of the loop and confused I felt every time STL did his thing in WW games lol
 
Playing catch up again. I hope to be around more tomorrow. While I'm glad we got rid of a 3rd party, I'm disappointed AM didn't flip wolf, because that would have given us a lot more info on people like stagg and mel. I've been suspicious of mel for a while (I forget if I mentioned it on thread before, or just pm's), and I'm definitely keeping my eye on him. If wz wasn't dead, I'd be side eyeing her a bit for believing that AM was redirected but her action still went through as planned.

I have cray in the firmly village category now, and I think that the discussion between her and mutts seemed v/v.

Stagg still seems the most wolfy of my leans so far, so I'm going to stay there for now, but I'm open to hearing details of why others are voting where the are (I admit, there are many pages of the thread that I haven't read.)

Lynch stagg
 
The above felt like an overly fishy approach to this particular line of questioning

I mean, Dubz came on thread and said she had clear evidence that AM was performing NKs. Dubz also said that even if she did believe it was a village thing she felt like she had to vote for AM anyway due to the overwhelming evidence (which she shared on thread). Then Dubz came back and basically said 'nvmd, she's actually hard cleared but I can't tell you why' and later said part of her reasoning was that AM was moving lynch votes. You really don't think that's something worth finding out more about? So yea, I wanted more info and so did half the other players in the game.

Unless you're saying I'm overly fishy because I'm Staggikarp. Then I applaud your pun.
 
I'm concerned about this NKA. Why would Dubz's death make me more wolfy but not Capri? Dubz had been pushing a Capri lynch for a while and even said she wanted AM to try and NK her. So why does this add sketch to me and not Capri? Seems off to me.
It's WIFOM - I can see a scenario where WZ was killed to frame someone likely Capri - which you're falling right in to
If Capri flips village, what will you learn?

If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.

I think there is a least 1 wolf between those 4. Not sure who though -

Lynch Lupin
 
Day 5 Unofficial It's Friesian Friday Lynch Tally
Stagg (3) - Weim, snowy, Skim
Skim (1) - skiski
Lupin (4) - Mel, coffee, Dina, Mutts
capri (2) - Stagg, MJ

10/20 voting
Lupin you are in the lead!

Lynch close at 9pm CST (~5 hrs remaining)

 
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Day 5 It's Friesian Friday Lynch Tally
Stagg (3) - Weim, snowy, Skim
Skim (1) - skiski
Lupin (4) - Mel, coffee, Dina, Mutts
capri (2) - Stagg, MJ

10/20 voting
Lupin you are in the lead!

Lynch close at 9pm CST (~5 hrs remaining)

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I'm going to hope that this is accurate, but a living player posting in ******* raises some doubts in my mind
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I'm going to hope that this is accurate, but a living player posting in ******* raises some doubts in my mind
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Only certified AM tallies can be trusted, all others are full of sketch
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Wolves just threw THE CUTEST HORSE TOY in the TRASH

I am upset

Go village!
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When I was a kid I was obsessed with this movie and loved Bullseye. I had a little cowgirl costume that I wore almost every day and I tried to get my parents to change my name to Jessie
 
Looking at the night kills last night has me somewhat convinced that the wolves read Dubz' strong conviction that AM was not a wolf as evidence that either she or a PM partner had seered AM, and elected to use the double kill on Dubz and her PM partner in an effort to kill a seer

which to some degree reads like relatively advanced wolfery and leans me a little more suspicious of there being at least one wolf who is more seasoned
 
It's WIFOM - I can see a scenario where WZ was killed to frame someone likely Capri - which you're falling right in to
If Capri flips village, what will you learn?



I think there is a least 1 wolf between those 4. Not sure who though -

Lynch Lupin

I've thought Capri was wolfy since before the Dubz flip. You say I'm falling into a trap but you commented that the Dubz flip made me look more sketch, so same trap you're saying I fell into. I'll ask again, if you think the Dubz flip makes me seem more sketchy, why does it not also make Capri seem more sketchy?

I think there's 2 wolves between those 4. If Capri flips village I learn that myself and at least 2 dead non-wolves were wrong and that I need to re-evaluate my reads. It also moves Mel more towards my wolf leans.
 
Last night I "felt a huge presence standing over me". Just throwing that out there.

My current general thoughts:

I still want to to crack the Kara/Lupin/VMH egg. That being said, now that Kara has come back and is participating more I'm actually feeling better about her, so more inclined for a Lupin vote than KB. Plus a Lupin lynch will still give info on KB and VMH.

Capri has been sketchy to me for a while. Her comment earlier about "wolves not voting together" struck me as odd, because she did exactly this as a wolf when she sheeped all of wolf AM's votes until AM was lynched (I think in Reading) and ended up with a wolf win because everyone said "wolves wouldn't vote that poorly". If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.

I've been on the fence about Snowy, but posts from today make me feel worse about her.

I'm also on the fence about Mutts but this post was interesting to me:



I'm concerned about this NKA. Why would Dubz's death make me more wolfy but not Capri? Dubz had been pushing a Capri lynch for a while and even said she wanted AM to try and NK her. So why does this add sketch to me and not Capri? Seems off to me.



Nope, I am village. I've got no problem role revealing at this point. I don't think it would actually have an effect either way, which should be evident based on my actions so far. I'm disappointed that my action last night didn't go through though, would have been fun.
If your ability is passive why didnt it go through?
 
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This came up in a role PM and I feel like it needs to be shared with the world

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Am I influencing the game? No one knows.
Am I cluttering the thread? Probably but look at that chihuahua derp face and tell me this is irrelevant content


Edit: OMG I have all of westminster (including agility) taped and i forgot until just now
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Last night I "felt a huge presence standing over me". Just throwing that out there.

My current general thoughts:

I still want to to crack the Kara/Lupin/VMH egg. That being said, now that Kara has come back and is participating more I'm actually feeling better about her, so more inclined for a Lupin vote than KB. Plus a Lupin lynch will still give info on KB and VMH.

Capri has been sketchy to me for a while. Her comment earlier about "wolves not voting together" struck me as odd, because she did exactly this as a wolf when she sheeped all of wolf AM's votes until AM was lynched (I think in Reading) and ended up with a wolf win because everyone said "wolves wouldn't vote that poorly". If Capri flipped wolf it would make me believe there was at least 1 wolf between Kara/Lupin/VMH, likely 2.

I've been on the fence about Snowy, but posts from today make me feel worse about her.

I'm also on the fence about Mutts but this post was interesting to me:



I'm concerned about this NKA. Why would Dubz's death make me more wolfy but not Capri? Dubz had been pushing a Capri lynch for a while and even said she wanted AM to try and NK her. So why does this add sketch to me and not Capri? Seems off to me.



Nope, I am village. I've got no problem role revealing at this point. I don't think it would actually have an effect either way, which should be evident based on my actions so far. I'm disappointed that my action last night didn't go through though, would have been fun.
So we have "a huge presence" and a "small and formidable" presence? I'm intrigued by the differences in flavor text - two blockers, or something else afoot?

Also, I have no idea how I got lumped in with Kara and Lupin, but at least I can appreciate being in good company

I mean, Dubz came on thread and said she had clear evidence that AM was performing NKs. Dubz also said that even if she did believe it was a village thing she felt like she had to vote for AM anyway due to the overwhelming evidence (which she shared on thread). Then Dubz came back and basically said 'nvmd, she's actually hard cleared but I can't tell you why' and later said part of her reasoning was that AM was moving lynch votes. You really don't think that's something worth finding out more about? So yea, I wanted more info and so did half the other players in the game.

Unless you're saying I'm overly fishy because I'm Staggikarp. Then I applaud your pun.
Little column A, little column B

my concern is about what answers you were expecting to tease out that would have been helpful to your reasoning about Dubz's affiliation. In my mind, an answer from her would have given you insight that essentially boiled down to one of three things:
  • she just trusted AM super strongly from their PMs and actually has no good reason
  • she has mod-confirmed info about AM
  • she is a wolf and duh, AM is not one of da woofs
these are basically the three options you would have had in the first place before questioning her, and trying to tease out more from a seasoned player who is strongly implying they have a good reason for their firm belief another player is not a wolf really isn't going to help you too much in determining whether the last option is true. However, as a wolf, distinguishing between the first and second option is much more useful because it's in the best interest to kill off a seer, so assessing whether it's mod confirmed info can become really helpful in PR hunting
 
After catching up, I am leaning mel, cray, bryndi more village

And feeling worse about stagg, kara, lupin (to be fair I historically can't read at least two of these players)

Re: capri, when was the last time she gave a reads list? I know last time I wolfed with her she mentioned that she has a hard time coming up with reads when she's a wolf and she often avoided giving reads because of it, not sure if she's been doing that again this game or not

would like to hear more thoughts from @cubsrule4e
 
Day 5 It's Friesian Friday Lynch Tally
Stagg (3) - Weim, snowy, Skim
Skim (1) - skiski
Lupin (4) - Mel, coffee, Dina, Mutts
capri (2) - Stagg, MJ

10/20 voting
@Lupin21 you are in the lead!

Missing: @Crayola227 @Lupin21 @cubsrule4e @genny @vetmedhead @MSUcvmHOPE @capri1722 @bryndiana.jones
Lynch close at 9pm CST (~2.5 hrs remaining)

Pleeeeeease consider sending in your action early. Pretty plz with brandied cherry on top

{WHOEVER DELETED THE GIF IS (almost) MOD KILLED}​
 
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When I was a kid I was obsessed with this movie and loved Bullseye. I had a little cowgirl costume that I wore almost every day and I tried to get my parents to change my name to Jessie

This was 100% wholesome content and my life has improved 10 fold simply by reading it.
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Why Cubs? Also, you never answered why you voted for me. I'd like to hear some better contributions from you when you get the chance.
I voted for you because I find you sketchy.

Not sure on cubs yet. There's something going on there with Lupin that is making me mildly uncomfortable.
 
I've thought Capri was wolfy since before the Dubz flip. You say I'm falling into a trap but you commented that the Dubz flip made me look more sketch, so same trap you're saying I fell into. I'll ask again, if you think the Dubz flip makes me seem more sketchy, why does it not also make Capri seem more sketchy?

I think there's 2 wolves between those 4. If Capri flips village I learn that myself and at least 2 dead non-wolves were wrong and that I need to re-evaluate my reads. It also moves Mel more towards my wolf leans.

I'm not falling into the trap bc I'm willing to see how you 2 progress, you're actually voting based on this. Capri is neutral, she could go either way, I'm not sure.

Looking at the night kills last night has me somewhat convinced that the wolves read Dubz' strong conviction that AM was not a wolf as evidence that either she or a PM partner had seered AM, and elected to use the double kill on Dubz and her PM partner in an effort to kill a seer

which to some degree reads like relatively advanced wolfery and leans me a little more suspicious of there being at least one wolf who is more seasoned

😵 Maybe it's nothing but the bold bothers me.

also, very sorry for your loss
 
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