Hypothetically speaking, can you lie about your EC's, shadowing, and research?

[ReptarBar]

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And that assertion was already disproved long ago, along with many of circulus' other rants.

that's besides the point. circulus still will perform the necessary EC's, regardless of value, to get into medical school as evinced by the hoop statement. incyepoo's comment simply makes no sense given the context, which is why i called him stupid.

 

[music2doc]

it's true, though. how could anyone infer that circulus believes applying to medical school without EC's is acceptable? he clearly said it's a "hoop to jump though," meaning that it's necessary to do but possesses little value.

all i can say is WTF?


"Extracurricular activities are just another bull**** hoop to jump through. They mean nothing, and lying about them has literally zero impact on anything or anyone."

Other statements he has made might lead one to think he believes this to be true and/or feels that surely there must be people on the adcom who believe these ECs are as pointless as he does. (There are probably are, but they are almost certainly in the minority at most schools where I've spoken with faculty. What they value definitely varies, but nobody wants a robot....)

And that assertion was already disproved long ago, along with many of circulus' other rants.

This.

 

[inycepoo]

that's besides the point. circulus still will perform the necessary EC's, regardless of value, to get into medical school as evinced by the hoop statement. incyepoo's comment simply makes no sense given the context, which is why i called him stupid.

Who's "incyepoo"?

No, you're the idiot for not being able to tell between serious and troll posts. I am now convinced you lack this ability as this is the second instance you have failed to realize the differences. Consider a different hobby other than coming onto here and dealing with those of us with sub-average intelligence.

Should you need a suggestion because your life is so sad, your personality so insecure, and skill set so limited beyond debunking trolls online with personal attacks, here's a suggestion: go **** yourself.

(This was a serious post. Hope that helps your interpretation of it.)

 

[KnuxNole]

i might be the only one in this thread who thinks that academic cheating is in NO WAY unethical. i perfectly condone cheating because life is a race and formal education is overall BS. i don't cheat myself, but bravo to anyone who has the balls to cheat rampantly. great reward, huge risk. if you get caught lying on your amcas somehow at any point during med school, then they will kick you out.

No offense, but you're acting like it's supposed to be some crazy cutthroat process. It's not. It's only med school, and life is not that intense haha. It's ridiculously easy to have a good app without any cheating/lying whatsoever. Regardless, I know you said you don't cheat yourself(which is good!), but just wanted to comment that med school admissions isn't that intense that someone needs to cheat/lie to make it.

Then again, some people overvalue hours.

 

[ReptarBar]

Who's "incyepoo"?

No, you're the idiot for not being able to tell between serious and troll posts. I am now convinced you lack this ability as this is the second instance you have failed to realize the differences. Consider a different hobby other than coming onto here and dealing with those of us with sub-average intelligence.

Should you need a suggestion because your life is so sad, your personality so insecure, and skill set so limited beyond debunking trolls online with personal attacks, here's a suggestion: go **** yourself.

(This was a serious post. Hope that helps your interpretation of it.)

your favorite hobby is solving a rubik's cube.

 

[inycepoo]

your favorite hobby is solving a rubik's cube.

Cubes.* (I'll give you credit for almost spelling "Rubik's" correctly. Better than the "rubix" crap that gets thrown around.)

Yeah, and I'm pretty ****ing good at it, too. NR holder in one and attempting a Guinness in another category. Better than you'll ever be at your favorite hobby.

The fact that you read through my MDApps profile only to come up with such a pathetic quip against me shows just how meaningless of a life you lead.

 

[Doctor Bob]

This coming from someone whose statements have been repeatedly rebutted by adcom members and medical students alike. Might not be a great source of wisdom.... Lying on your ECs or any other part of your application is lying. Period. Don't do it.

A few medical students who are in their preclinical years and who are stuck in the premed mindset.

Then let me add my perspective.
I don't care if you've done 10 hours at a soup kitchen, 500 hours in an emergency department, or 0 hours doing anything. One thing I am looking for when I ask applicants (at all levels) about their various experiences is honesty.

You will be, in a short time, a physician whose practice will live and die by what you write down in the chart. I have (for example) crucified a few residents and medical students who have written in their notes that the heart sounds were normal when they never listened to heart sounds. Then I have to doubt the validity of everything else they wrote.

It's the same with ECs. If I ferret out that an applicant is less than honest in regards to some aspect of their application (and this happens every year) then it calls their character into question and I start to wonder how they got the GPA they did, and the scores they did, and where they draw the line as to what is a bulls*** hoop to jump through and what isn't. And once I start having that philosophical debate with myself, then the application I'm reviewing goes right in the trash. I have plenty to replace it.

Medicine is a constant risk/benefit analysis; I'm always deciding is the treatment I have to offer the patient worth the risk of the medication/radiation study/surgical procedure/etc. So... what's the risk/benefit analysis for lying on ECs...

 

[SunsFun]

Unfortunately the nature of volunteering for many premeds makes it very difficult to by 100% honest and still present the activity as meaningful. To be fully honest it would go something like this for ER volunteer in the big hospital: "I sat on my arse 90% of the time when the seat was available. If attending came around I frantically tried to pretend I was excited to see him and engage into mindless small talk. For the most part I could care less how his day was, I just wanted to know him better to be able to shadow him someday. The other time was spent restocking the supplies, giving blankets to random people, and trying to stay away from the bums due to smell and out of the way of the staff to not make them mad." Most premeds would make this sound much better focusing on only the "good" parts. Such a story is clearly incomplete even though it isn't quite a lie.

As I have said in other threads though, embellishing or EC's is hardly a big deal in my opinion. ADCOM as well as anybody who has done any type of hiring or resume reading is pretty aware of the difference between what is written and reality. A much bigger problem is people with physician friends who write an MD LoR that makes that person who hasn't done anything sound like Mother Teresa with a microscope in one hand and a defibrillator in another. Those letters, IMO, could have a gigantic impact on ADCOM even if the person in question has literally done absolutely nothing.

 

[The Buff OP]

To be fully honest it would go something like this for ER volunteer in the big hospital: "I sat on my arse 90% of the time when the seat was available. If attending came around I frantically tried to pretend I was excited to see him and engage into mindless small talk.

Did you go in the mornings? At night is when the fun starts. Yesterday, was my last day of ER clinical's (for my EMT classes) and **** when down last night. The afternoon was really quiet, though.

 

[487806]

your favorite hobby is solving a rubik's cube.

Dude. Rubik's Cube is awesome. Stop dissing it. 👎thumbdown👎

Cubes.* (I'll give you credit for almost spelling "Rubik's" correctly. Better than the "rubix" crap that gets thrown around.)

Yeah, and I'm pretty ****ing good at it, too. NR holder in one and attempting a Guinness in another category. Better than you'll ever be at your favorite hobby.

The fact that you read through my MDApps profile only to come up with such a pathetic quip against me shows just how meaningless of a life you lead.

👍 Have you tried a 4x4 cube, one-handed?

 

[circulus vitios]

And that assertion was already disproved long ago, along with many of circulus' other rants.

Disproved in what sense? Extracurriculars are necessary to get into medical school. I did not say anything contrary to this. I said extracurricular activities are a meaningless hoop to jump through. The only people who think otherwise are ivory tower admissions committee members who are disconnected from reality and truly think that volunteering in the capacity of a typical pre-med (i.e. doing incredibly low-skilled work like that is worth minimum wage in the real world) actually benefits anyone.

In before "find something you're passionate about." Ugh, spare me.

 

[KnuxNole]

Clinical volunteering isn't the only extracurricular activity out there. I'm sure there are things you like to do. If you don't want to waste time doing "incredibly low-skilled work like that is worth minimum wage in the real world" don't do it. Unless what you are doing is for an income...then well, gotta feed yourself and live under a roof right? If what you are doing as volunteer work isn't what you want to be involved in, don't waste your time.

 

[inycepoo]

Dude. Rubik's Cube is awesome. Stop dissing it. 👎thumbdown👎


👍 Have you tried a 4x4 cube, one-handed?

Thanks bro. Appreciate it 👍

I don't like big cubes (and yes, 4x4 counts as big in my book, unlike the 6x6 fanatics...), so I rarely do 4x4 anymore. In fact, I don't even think I remember some of the algorithms for it lol. I also never worked at it, so my 70 sec average is pretty pathetic anyway.

4x4 OH is possible, but really really annoying and basically impossible to get really good at because of the middle slices. I can't imagine being able to 1) hold the damn thing in OH and have good access to all the sides, unless you got Shaq-sized hands, and 2) being able to do l/l' or r/r' moves quickly enough.

It's no surprise that it's not an official event. Don't it ever will be until a smaller version of it comes out, but I can see problems with the inner mechanisms for designers trying to make it smaller; it may not turn or cut corners as smoothly, and that'd defeat the point of making it for OH.

(Wow this is the geekiest post I've ever made hahaha)

 

[inycepoo]

Disproved in what sense? Extracurriculars are necessary to get into medical school. I did not say anything contrary to this. I said extracurricular activities are a meaningless hoop to jump through. The only people who think otherwise are ivory tower admissions committee members who are disconnected from reality and truly think that volunteering in the capacity of a typical pre-med (i.e. doing incredibly low-skilled work like that is worth minimum wage in the real world) actually benefits anyone.

In before "find something you're passionate about." Ugh, spare me.

What's wrong with finding something non-academic that you're passionate about to make you want to work at it?

I agree that pointless volunteering is pointless, but that doesn't mean all ECs are necessarily pointless. If you were only talking about the dumb clinical experience people are going after, you're completely correct.

But to say all ECs are pointless is going too far. College is meant for much more than studying and taking exams. One can learn much more about a lot of things through ECs that you just can't in a classroom. Beyond admissions, ECs hold much potential to teach young college students skills and ways of doing things that can benefit them in the future (e.g., organizing logistics, coordinating events, establishing people skills, and so forth).

Just because you may not like doing any EC for whatever reason (no interest in anything, only like studying, no time, don't care, it's a hoop, etc., whatever) doesn't mean that ECs are pointless for EVERYONE. If you don't have passions for ECs, don't do them. But other people definitely do, and it's not right to go around saying it's all pointless just because you may not find it to be personally rewarding.

Also, I think it's pretty damn important (most would probably agree) to have interests outside of your professional field of work. Otherwise, people would burn out so much more quickly.

Again, if you were only referring to a specific subset of ECs premeds tend to undertake for the specific goal of satisfying adcoms, then my post is misguided. However, ECs do add lots of benefits to those who really do undertake them because it's something they enjoy doing.

 

[circulus vitios]

But to say all ECs are pointless is going too far. College is meant for much more than studying and taking exams. One can learn much more about a lot of things through ECs that you just can't in a classroom. Beyond admissions, ECs hold much potential to teach young college students skills and ways of doing things that can benefit them in the future (e.g., organizing logistics, coordinating events, establishing people skills, and so forth).

I learned those skills at my job. It's kind of like volunteering, except you get paid because what you do actually matters.

 

[Spitphire]

Did you go in the mornings? At night is when the fun starts. Yesterday, was my last day of ER clinical's (for my EMT classes) and **** when down last night. The afternoon was really quiet, though.

My curiosity...do tell

 

[deleted550985]

Embellishing ECs is still not okay, and I also agree with inycepoo on their value.

I agree that other things are more serious, but embellishing hours or contributions could lead to you being chosen over someone who had done exactly the same as you but had been honest about their ECs. There is clearly something wrong with that.

 

[inycepoo]

I learned those skills at my job. It's kind of like volunteering, except you get paid because what you do actually matters.

Lol getting paid doesn't automatically mean what you do matters. It only means that someone else thinks that it matters enough to pay you.

See what I did there? What is considered to matter or not is a highly subjective judgment at best, and a useless statement at worst. Your own judgment on what matters does not dictate what matters to others, and vice versa. If this is the basis of your argument, we will never go anywhere. Others may find ECs to matter because they derive personal enjoyment out of it, or for whatever other reason. If you don't, that's your business, but don't speak so generally for everyone.

And again with the focus on volunteering. I'm talking about ECs in general, not volunteering. Not all ECs constitute volunteering, because people can be doing the activity for themselves, not necessarily always for someone else. Don't make me suspect you have a learning disability now.

 

[SunsFun]

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[SunsFun]

Embellishing ECs is still not okay, and I also agree with inycepoo on their value.

I agree that other things are more serious, but embellishing hours or contributions could lead to you being chosen over someone who had done exactly the same as you but had been honest about their ECs. There is clearly something wrong with that.

Okay, I will bite. What exactly is wrong with picking a better salesman out of two otherwise identical candidates? Assuming the person didn't flat out lie, could he be more suitable for a role that may requires "investing or motivating" patients to consider more demanding yet effective treatment options?

 

[LuciusVorenus]

Ha, I majored in chemistry at a top ten undergrad. Atleast half the people in my classes would manage to acquire "illegal" study material such as old exams that the prof did not provide the class, knowing that the profs mostly recycled old exam questions. Keeping illegal crib sheets under chairs, in laps, etc. was also very common during exams, along with sharing answers with the people around you. I only know of two people who were caught during an exam and they were just given a light scolding. And probably about 90% of the class used old lab reports from former students and molded them into their own. The people who cheated the most rampantly came out top of our class and most of them are going to/in medical school....not saying any of this is okay, but maybe some people on here are just not aware of what their fellow classmates are up to...

Passing down lab reports and old homework solutions is very common, like I said (especially among sororities/fraternities). However, actual cheating IN class I have very very rarely seen in person or even heard about - with the exceptions of the few times the person was caught. Still, I have heard of some frats being punished severely and some graduates having their degrees taken away because the person they handed their old lab report to didn't change it enough before they submitted it to Turnitin.

Maybe it's because the school I go to is notorious for having a **** load of premeds (I think something like 1/5 of the 20k+ student body is premed at some point) but they had all their bases covered it seemed. Hell, every test we took was proctored by like 10 grad students. One of the work study jobs at our school involved just walking around with the sole intention of catching people cheating.

I can't really believe that there's someone out there who needs to cheat to get in, and was successfully able to cheat on all the necessary exams throughout their entire undergraduate career without getting caught. In other words, I can't really believe that cheating your way from a poor GPA to a good GPA is realistically possible. A 0.1 difference - maybe...

 

[deleted550985]

Okay, I will bite. What exactly is wrong with picking a better salesman out of two otherwise identical candidates? Assuming the person didn't flat out lie, could he be more suitable for a role that may requires "investing or motivating" patients to consider more demanding yet effective treatment options?

"Investing or motivating" sounds a lot like "misleading", just as embellishing ECs does to ADCOMs. Dishonest doctors are much more of a problem than doctors that can't make a good (misleading) sales pitch.

 

[SecretlyMe]

Of course you could. This shouldn't even be a topic, however. Unless you're addressing the fact that people do falsify documents and more systemic changes need to take place, I don't see the point of the thread.

"Is it possible to lie on the app?" come on now...

 

[SunsFun]

"Investing or motivating" sounds a lot like "misleading", just as embellishing ECs does to ADCOMs. Dishonest doctors are much more of a problem than doctors that can't make a good (misleading) sales pitch.

Misleading is not exactly what I am thinking. Being passionate enough to get people on board, not twisting facts. Although in perfect world I would agree with you that not being able to make a sales pitch should be the last of doctors worries, but in reality it is part of good bedside manners which is the key to not getting sued. Unfortunately, it is not your knowledge and effectiveness that will count the most. Maybe medical schools realize it.. Who knows...

 

[inycepoo]

Lol at those who are obviously "quick replying" on a very early page of this thread because it's painfully obvious they haven't read much farther.

Not saying it's bad, just that it's funny haha

 

[deleted303591]

A little OT, but you guys need to be careful about "harassment".

SDN is getting more serious about harassment towards other members, by giving out warnings. However, the enforcement is inconsistent. Just look at the Wolf's Den sometime.

Not everyone is perfect so be careful.

 

[deleted550985]

Misleading is not exactly what I am thinking. Being passionate enough to get people on board, not twisting facts. Although in perfect world I would agree with you that not being able to make a sales pitch should be the last of doctors worries, but in reality it is part of good bedside manners which is the key to not getting sued. Unfortunately, it is not your knowledge and effectiveness that will count the most. Maybe medical schools realize it.. Who knows...

I'd argue that embellishing ECs is beyond "being passionate" and strays dangerously close to "twisting facts", if that makes sense. But I think at this point we're probably better off agreeing to disagree.

 

[LuciusVorenus]

Guys. Obviously this thread was a trap. Now the adcoms on SDN know who lied about their ECs.

 

[BecksTriad]

to me theres a difference between making something up completely and embellishing. I have definitely partaken in the ladder and I don't think it's that big of a deal. In fact, I've heard ppl on adcoms say they expect it and that most applicants do it

 

[The Buff OP]

My curiosity...do tell

I used the phrase "the patient" repeatedly due to these events were recently and it could be easily identifiable by their gender. You never know if we got students or docs on here from they same hospital. HIPAA​

First, I had a seizure patient that came in unconscious patient's breath sounds were rales, and you could hear upper airway was snoring. Doctor came in and did a tracheal intubation on the patient, I got to ventilate the patient for 5 minutes, then patient got put on a ventilator, some suction of blood had to be done, and a foley catheter was also placed. I heard the patient is still unconscious. Second, a patient with jaundice came in semi-conscious (this where **** got cray) the patient was intubated also had a nasal canula on. We later found out the patient had a GI bleed so they stick a tube down the patients throat and that thing kept suctioning forever, the patient was going through lots of blood bags. Patient's liver is pretty much screwed. The patient also coded and was brought back, then for some reason they turn the patient 's body to it's lateral side and after that the patient just spurt out a lot of blood, a towel full of it. To prevent brain damage the patient was wrap in some pads and his body temperature was brought to 33 degrees. The patient also had to get this big thin bar put int to the patients rectum I don't know what it was for, maybe temperature. Also a central venous catheter was put into the patient, the doc almost hit the carotid artery. lol
Third patient was a stab wound to the neck, the patient receive more than 14 stitches. Lucky MOFO

 

[inycepoo]

Buff OP is still buff.

 

[Planes2Doc]

Why would anyone have to lie about the things we are PASSIONATE ABOUT?

Aren't we supposed to enjoy doing these things?! 😕

 

[thefritz]

Friend of a friend was interviewing and told the Adcom member about a soup kitchen she volunteered at. Little did she know the Adcom member helped start that soup kitchen and was a huge part of it. Long story short she was asked a bunch of questions that anyone that actually worked there would know, and she couldn't give a correct answer at all.

What I am concerned about is that people actually think that volunteering at a soup kitchen somehow bolsters ones qualifications to become a physician. I couldn't think of a more unrelated activity. Where is the spot on the application to list that I planted potatoes twice one april weekend or rode a bike to school and stopped to look at some ducks in the pond?

Even if it actually mattered for something and there was evidence to show that people who volunteered at soup kitchens were more likely to succeed in med school and result in improved clinical outcomes, it is a totally subjective and unverifiable self-reported qualification. I would think that any admissions committee with half a brain amongst them would totally disregard these sorts of things in favor of more objective means of selecting applicants.

 

[The Buff OP]

What I am concerned about is that people actually think that volunteering at a soup kitchen somehow bolsters ones qualifications to become a physician. I couldn't think of a more unrelated activity. Where is the spot on the application to list that I planted potatoes twice one april weekend or rode a bike to school and stopped to look at some ducks in the pond?

+1
True. That's why now, I only do anything related to the medical field. I guess people volunteer at those places to "show compassion". <------

 

[Planes2Doc]

What I am concerned about is that people actually think that volunteering at a soup kitchen somehow bolsters ones qualifications to become a physician. I couldn't think of a more unrelated activity. Where is the spot on the application to list that I planted potatoes twice one april weekend or rode a bike to school and stopped to look at some ducks in the pond?

Even if it actually mattered for something and there was evidence to show that people who volunteered at soup kitchens were more likely to succeed in med school and result in improved clinical outcomes, it is a totally subjective and unverifiable self-reported qualification. I would think that any admissions committee with half a brain amongst them would totally disregard these sorts of things in favor of more objective means of selecting applicants.

There's a crazy "ZERO to Mother Teresa" mentality among pre-meds. People may have never done altruistic things, yet suddenly the day they officially become pre-med, they take part in a laundry-list full of volunteer activities!

People on this site are always bashing those who openly admit that they are only box-checking and hate volunteering. Throughout my life, I met very few people who are actually genuinely altruistic. I fail to see how pre-meds are somehow morally superior to college students who have no medical school ambitions. In fact, there's probably a very good reason why pre-meds have such a piss poor reputation everywhere as volunteers or researchers.

Just like you said, if these activities meant anything for being a doctor, then we would have a massive failure in the system because realistically speaking, how many of these pre-meds genuinely enjoy these ECs or do them out of the goodness of their hearts?

Just use common sense! When was the last time you saw people who aren't pre-med lining up at hospitals to provide free labor? It can't really be that fun, can it?

 

[Conflagration]

to me theres a difference between making something up completely and embellishing. I have definitely partaken in the ladder and I don't think it's that big of a deal. In fact, I've heard ppl on adcoms say they expect it and that most applicants do it

Similar precarious situation, IMO.

 

[thefritz]

I can't really believe that there's someone out there who needs to cheat to get in, and was successfully able to cheat on all the necessary exams throughout their entire undergraduate career without getting caught. In other words, I can't really believe that cheating your way from a poor GPA to a good GPA is realistically possible. A 0.1 difference - maybe...

Another interesting observation:

Theft in the form of copyright infringement is rampant in medical school and nobody does anything about it. Compared to an honest poor student who struggles to make ends meet and goes through a lot of effort to legally obtain his study materials, this does seem like cheating to me when a more privileged student has greater access to resources through illicit means.

 

[thefritz]

Just use common sense! When was the last time you saw people who aren't pre-med lining up at hospitals to provide free labor? It can't really be that fun, can it?

It was my understanding that the pretty much stated requirement that one volunteer at a hospital in order to be accepted into medical school was founded in the desire of admission committees to make sure that applicants had adequate exposure to the field of medicine to know what they were getting into and wouldn't bail 1 week into third year after their first overnight in an ED. This opposed to requiring students to volunteer to benefit humanity or provide free unskilled labor to the hospital.

I don't see anything medically related to working in a soup kitchen. You might as well list every unpaid activity you've ever done: mowing the grass, scrubbing graffiti off the sidewalk, taking a lost cat the shelter, your perfect record of attendance at sunday school, etc.

 

[KnuxNole]

It's not a requirement to volunteer at a hospital. Getting clinical exposure is the unwritten requirement at a decent amount of places. Volunteering at the local hospital is not the only way to do this. Lots of people have not do that(I'm one of them) and get accepted(which makes sense).

 

[487806]

A little OT, but you guys need to be careful about "harassment".

SDN is getting more serious about harassment towards other members, by giving out warnings. However, the enforcement is inconsistent. Just look at the Wolf's Den sometime.

Not everyone is perfect so be careful.

Quoted for emphasis. Calm down guys

 

[Planes2Doc]

It was my understanding that the pretty much stated requirement that one volunteer at a hospital in order to be accepted into medical school was founded in the desire of admission committees to make sure that applicants had adequate exposure to the field of medicine to know what they were getting into and wouldn't bail 1 week into third year after their first overnight in an ED. This opposed to requiring students to volunteer to benefit humanity or provide free unskilled labor to the hospital.

I don't see anything medically related to working in a soup kitchen. You might as well list every unpaid activity you've ever done: mowing the grass, scrubbing graffiti off the sidewalk, taking a lost cat the shelter, your perfect record of attendance at sunday school, etc.

But if you pick up an entry-level clinical job, you're still expected to do volunteer work of some sort. Therefore, you're still essentially required to do something that shows you at least pretend to care about helping others, despite these non-clinical activities having absolutely nothing to do with being a doctor.

 

[yehhhboiii]

Unfortunately the nature of volunteering for many premeds makes it very difficult to by 100% honest and still present the activity as meaningful. To be fully honest it would go something like this for ER volunteer in the big hospital: "I sat on my arse 90% of the time when the seat was available. If attending came around I frantically tried to pretend I was excited to see him and engage into mindless small talk. For the most part I could care less how his day was, I just wanted to know him better to be able to shadow him someday. The other time was spent restocking the supplies, giving blankets to random people, and trying to stay away from the bums due to smell and out of the way of the staff to not make them mad." Most premeds would make this sound much better focusing on only the "good" parts. Such a story is clearly incomplete even though it isn't quite a lie.

As I have said in other threads though, embellishing or EC's is hardly a big deal in my opinion. ADCOM as well as anybody who has done any type of hiring or resume reading is pretty aware of the difference between what is written and reality. A much bigger problem is people with physician friends who write an MD LoR that makes that person who hasn't done anything sound like Mother Teresa with a microscope in one hand and a defibrillator in another. Those letters, IMO, could have a gigantic impact on ADCOM even if the person in question has literally done absolutely nothing.

wait you got to talk to attendings as a volunteer? wow

 

[LuciusVorenus]

Another interesting observation:

Theft in the form of copyright infringement is rampant in medical school and nobody does anything about it. Compared to an honest poor student who struggles to make ends meet and goes through a lot of effort to legally obtain his study materials, this does seem like cheating to me when a more privileged student has greater access to resources through illicit means.

This is way I hate frats for passing down old material 😉

Jk.

Well...60% JK.

Or are you talking about pirating books?

 

[LuciusVorenus]

wait you got to talk to attendings as a volunteer? wow

I volunteered at a hospital and the attendings would get mad at me for taking up their time - even though I was just delivering a chart like the nurse told me to -_-

On the other hand, I volunteered at a free clinic and the doctors there would talk to me allll the time about their favorite sport, how they got into medicine, etc etc etc. Plus I got to do a lot of really cool stuff.

Depends on the place, really.

 

[Gauss44]

I was talking to my buddy the other day and he was telling me people do lie in their applications, because they don't really ask for proof. Is it true? I personally would never lie about something like that, I suck at lying. LOL If it does happen. WOW!

The worst is when you get rejected because your competitor pulled a fast one.

 

[Spitphire]

I used the phrase "the patient" repeatedly due to these events were recently and it could be easily identifiable by their gender. You never know if we got students or docs on here from they same hospital. HIPAA​

First, I had a seizure patient that came in unconscious patient's breath sounds were rales, and you could hear upper airway was snoring. Doctor came in and did a tracheal intubation on the patient, I got to ventilate the patient for 5 minutes, then patient got put on a ventilator, some suction of blood had to be done, and a foley catheter was also placed. I heard the patient is still unconscious. Second, a patient with jaundice came in semi-conscious (this where **** got cray) the patient was intubated also had a nasal canula on. We later found out the patient had a GI bleed so they stick a tube down the patients throat and that thing kept suctioning forever, the patient was going through lots of blood bags. Patient's liver is pretty much screwed. The patient also coded and was brought back, then for some reason they turn the patient 's body to it's lateral side and after that the patient just spurt out a lot of blood, a towel full of it. To prevent brain damage the patient was wrap in some pads and his body temperature was brought to 33 degrees. The patient also had to get this big thin bar put int to the patients rectum I don't know what it was for, maybe temperature. Also a central venous catheter was put into the patient, the doc almost hit the carotid artery. lol
Third patient was a stab wound to the neck, the patient receive more than 14 stitches. Lucky MOFO

Sounds like a wild day! haha Patient 2 had the worst day of his life, i would like to see if anyone can clarify exactly they stuck the bar in his rectum...ive NEVER heard of that before

Patient 1 reminds me of an encounter i had while shadowing the ER, crazy stuff man.

 

[The Buff OP]

Sounds like a wild day! haha Patient 2 had the worst day of his life, i would like to see if anyone can clarify exactly they stuck the bar in his rectum...ive NEVER heard of that before

Patient 1 reminds me of an encounter i had while shadowing the ER, crazy stuff man.

Yeah..... patient 2 is not expected to live longer.

 

[LostinLift]

Similar precarious situation, IMO.

Best post in thread.

 

[Planes2Doc]

I volunteered at a hospital and the attendings would get mad at me for taking up their time - even though I was just delivering a chart like the nurse told me to -_-

On the other hand, I volunteered at a free clinic and the doctors there would talk to me allll the time about their favorite sport, how they got into medicine, etc etc etc. Plus I got to do a lot of really cool stuff.

Depends on the place, really.

Yeah doctors would either completely ignore me, or get pissed off if I needed to ask if a patient can have water or not.

If you live in Chicago, which has multiple large universities loaded with pre-meds close to each other, then you're probably going to be out of luck trying to find a gig at a free clinic. Schools like Loyola and UIC are pre-med factories!

I also don't get what's so bad about volunteering at a "crappy" hospital gig, since you can probably spend that time doing useful things like studying for school and the MCAT if they really don't care. ADCOMs aren't expecting you to learn any useful skills. They just want you to get used to the clinical environment.

 

[Radon XP]

Yeah doctors would either completely ignore me, or get pissed off if I needed to ask if a patient can have water or not.

If you live in Chicago, which has multiple large universities loaded with pre-meds close to each other, then you're probably going to be out of luck trying to find a gig at a free clinic. Schools like Loyola and UIC are pre-med factories!

I also don't get what's so bad about volunteering at a "crappy" hospital gig, since you can probably spend that time doing useful things like studying for school and the MCAT if they really don't care. ADCOMs aren't expecting you to learn any useful skills. They just want you to get used to the clinical environment.

Best use of my time 👍

I've been trying to find a nice, quiet area for study, actually. Obviously I won't say what hospital I'm at for privacy reasons, but it's a large hospital, so I hope there are good study areas. Have found a few cafe-ish areas which might do