So I am recent grad from a podiatry school and I can't find any jobs anywhere. I am very pissed off with the state of podiatry in this country and it will continue to get worse. What should I do? In all honesty I don't wanna deal with podiatry anymore.
I Hate My Life... Podiatry Sucks
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C'mon. Mike Hunt? Really?
I'm sure you learned enough about feet to sell shoes at your local Foot Locker...heard the pay is better too.
This thread is dumb...
I'm sure you learned enough about feet to sell shoes at your local Foot Locker...heard the pay is better too.
This thread is dumb...
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Have you considered legally changing your name? I think it may be holding you back...
I literally laughed out loud when I saw this thread. I'm not sure if I got a bigger kick out of the user name or the thread title.
I literally laughed out loud when I saw this thread. I'm not sure if I got a bigger kick out of the user name or the thread title.
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Whooa - don't do anything stupid. If you are depressed see a psychiatrist immediately. No fussing around about that stuff. OK?
Now, as far as your login name eh, eff `em if they can't take a joke. You've got a sense of humor which means, at least to some us, you've got a future - ind of. It takes guts to make a post like the one you made. Maybe there are a lot of other people who feel the same way. I cannot - according to the rules of the board - tell you about the almost uncensored places where a lot of dissatisfied podiatrists hang out on the web exchanging tales.
If you have student loans, and you do not have intentions to pay them back that is not good at all. There are many podiatrists who do some amazing things within their scope of practice that they don't teach in school. I cannot give you their names or states but let me tell you this much - you don't have to be a `Podiatric Surgeon' mainlining `lifer' to make a living and have a great time with like-minded podiatrists backing you up. In fact there are plenty of men/women out there doing fabulously well, many of which didn't do a residency or did one only to get a license in one of the states that's EXTREMELY hospitable to podiatry. You'd have to pay a visit to one of those sites for details. Listen: You spent four years, it was hard work and you've got something. Now, it's up to you. I wish I could be more detailed about these things but wouldn't want to get the organized podiatry folks in a tizzy. Don't give up, NEVER give up - really, whoever you are, you've got guts and that's a sign of character and inegrity. You took a first step in making that post, if it's sincere - and I think it was - it shows that you've got what it takes to succeed in ANY field of endavor (along with a few other things) to get things going. Honesty and humility go to the fundamentals of a person, and that's the sort others are inclined to help. Caddypod as ever was at caddypod at yahoo.com.
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Do you honestly think the original poster was serious? Haha.
I assumed it was another one of his aliases due to the third grade level of wit in the username. That's just me though.
Poser. No one gets a job (except a residency) right out of Podiatry school.
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It's entertainment between one thing or another and more amusing -
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doctazero,
I believe your comments are well intentioned and sincere, however, I'm afraid that it's a sure bet that the poster is less than sincere. I don't think that it's just that he has a "sense of humor", but simply that he's full of sh-t.
As Podfather pointed out, he said he's a recent grad from "podiatry school" and can't get a job, but made no mention of a residency, attempt at residency, etc., which certainly makes the post look suspicious.
Besides, I recognize his writing style and his REAL name is Hugh Janus.
I believe your comments are well intentioned and sincere, however, I'm afraid that it's a sure bet that the poster is less than sincere. I don't think that it's just that he has a "sense of humor", but simply that he's full of sh-t.
As Podfather pointed out, he said he's a recent grad from "podiatry school" and can't get a job, but made no mention of a residency, attempt at residency, etc., which certainly makes the post look suspicious.
Besides, I recognize his writing style and his REAL name is Hugh Janus.
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Hey PADPM, thank you for the courtesy (huge anus, that's a good one).
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Can I just say that this Podiatry Forum is awesome! It makes my day every time I read it! I mean this thread has it all. A guy named Mike Hunt, a helpless podiatrist who is suicidal because he can't find a job. On top of that, he gets advice from doctazero, his personal life coach, about how to deal with this crisis. You can't make this stuff up! Thumbs up!
The definition of an ACO professional by CMS is " a doctor of medicine and osteopathy, or an NP/PA/RN.
The DPM/podiatric physician is not included, with the new dawn of healthcare in the states, exclusionary measures, and other means of keeping podiatric practitioners out is disturbing.
The DPM/podiatric physician is not included, with the new dawn of healthcare in the states, exclusionary measures, and other means of keeping podiatric practitioners out is disturbing.
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A little off topic but yea, that is the big fight. Pods are considered physicians under medicare but not medicaid. That is the big push with Title XIX.
It remains very on topic. The fact that ACOs which WILL be the delivery model for care in the USA and does not include podiatrists/DPMs/Podiatric physicians. ACO professionals include doctors of medicine/osteopathy and NPs/PAs/RNs per CMS.
One must look at the forest, not trees. And looking at the global landscape of the new order of medicine in the states, where does that leave podiatry and those with limited licenses who only treat foot and sometimes ankle disorders. The need for full scope podiatric medicine and surgery is long overdue.
One must look at the forest, not trees. And looking at the global landscape of the new order of medicine in the states, where does that leave podiatry and those with limited licenses who only treat foot and sometimes ankle disorders. The need for full scope podiatric medicine and surgery is long overdue.
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Great post Traum. There are a few things that can be done, but….
Not before the bickering among podiatrists stops and the DPMs can get on the same page. There are only 15K podiatrists with a mouthpiece of a handful of their own raising lobbying funds and trying to forge toward some inclusion. There are hundreds of thousands of MDs and DOs (?) with much more capital and clout. There will need to be a point when all podiatry students, podiatry residents and practicing podiatrists drop their petty squabbles, get on the same page and work together or the, podiatrists, will NOT be a part of more than just Medicaid. Some of the students and practitioners may not be aware of the fact that some podiatric and multi-specialty groups which employ podiatrists need that inclusivity to pay their bills. Some states might not have these issues but these are unusual economic times and cost-cutting is an imperative for most states.
No matter how much training a poditrist has, how well he/she is silled, they deserve to be paid for services rendered. I think we can all agree on this. I don't think that kicking back and saying to yourself: No problem the APMA will take care of this and our podiatric leaders will make sure it gets done - There is only so much the reprentatives of the small profession can do….
We can pick up on the petty squabbles AFTER podiatrists and future podiatrists are assured a place in the reimbursable future with a degree of certainty -
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Valid or not, where did this come from??? How did this suddenly appear in this thread? Is there a hidden agenda here??
Just when doctazero was gaining credibility with me, it appears as if he and "traum" may be one in the same. Yes, I know the rules state that you can only have one identity, etc., etc. But it is very easy to register from two different IP addresses with two different email addresses, etc.
I'm sure it's been done before and will be attempted again.
Just my opinion and observation. Similarly, I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. Just don't tell my wife......I tell her I'm always right.
With all due respect "PADPM", you are indeed incorrect. This comes as a response to the "Mike Hunt" comment from a student/resident/whomever stating their issues with podiatry and their inability to get a job.
Therefore with the ACO/CMS exclusion of podiatry what is your opinion on this matter. Integral, mainstream, why are they excluded?
Or are you very concerned with whom the person is, does, what their background is, multiple accounts, done befores, and other non germane bicker, etc.... Time to put the big boy/girl pants on and deman change==MD, USMLEs, LCME, ABMS, etc.....
Perhaps, you can shed light on this question: what is your opinion on this disturbing fact regardling podiatry and its' exclusion from "ACO professionals".
Or is the answer multiple posts, who is the person behind the mirror, done befores, etc.....how does this propel podiatry forward or change the CMS/ACO fact?
Therefore with the ACO/CMS exclusion of podiatry what is your opinion on this matter. Integral, mainstream, why are they excluded?
Or are you very concerned with whom the person is, does, what their background is, multiple accounts, done befores, and other non germane bicker, etc.... Time to put the big boy/girl pants on and deman change==MD, USMLEs, LCME, ABMS, etc.....
Perhaps, you can shed light on this question: what is your opinion on this disturbing fact regardling podiatry and its' exclusion from "ACO professionals".
Or is the answer multiple posts, who is the person behind the mirror, done befores, etc.....how does this propel podiatry forward or change the CMS/ACO fact?
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It's all rather simple, Podiatrists become defined as physicians under medicaid which is what the Title XIX bill is about. It's done OK over the last couple of years but has yet to pass as part of the bill. It was re-introduced a couple weeks ago. But again, we are defined as physicians under medicare. I do agree that it is important to be recognized under medicaid as well, especially with the way things are going. In the end, as we are the foot & ankle experts and do the majority of F&A surgery/treatment in this country, regardless of how we are defined, something would have to happen sooner than later under any new healthcare system. But I of course would like to see the definition change ASAP. Who knows, maybe this is the year it will pass.
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Would love to see it happen. I LOVE podiatry and want everyone to thrive as stated before.
We all have hundreds of thousands in student loans with interest, and now there are mandatory 3 year post-training programs (AMA needs to call this residency, perhaps with ACGME approval/at least provisional approval).
Like it, or not, ACO/CMS IS the new healthcare model akin to HMOs.
It wiill be mostly be here to stay until they come up with another new system. If pods are cut out, (MD/DO physicians only and NP/PA/RNs), how will they be able to pay student loans, or pay their bills.
Being excluded from ACOs/medicaid, etc is disturbing, and podiatry needs to change its entire educational system top to bottom, and get rid of dead weight, and capsize the boat. Not rock the boat. Full scope podiatric medicine and surgery for all. One board under ABMS. No more artifically dividing the foot and ankle into two boards for money reasons, or inconsistent training reasons. It is plum silly, and is laughable. My dentist is she molar or incisor certified?
Podiatry needs full scope, until then we can have vision 5000, and 8 years of post-school clinical training and it will not resonate with those who own the gold--MDs.
We all have hundreds of thousands in student loans with interest, and now there are mandatory 3 year post-training programs (AMA needs to call this residency, perhaps with ACGME approval/at least provisional approval).
Like it, or not, ACO/CMS IS the new healthcare model akin to HMOs.
It wiill be mostly be here to stay until they come up with another new system. If pods are cut out, (MD/DO physicians only and NP/PA/RNs), how will they be able to pay student loans, or pay their bills.
Being excluded from ACOs/medicaid, etc is disturbing, and podiatry needs to change its entire educational system top to bottom, and get rid of dead weight, and capsize the boat. Not rock the boat. Full scope podiatric medicine and surgery for all. One board under ABMS. No more artifically dividing the foot and ankle into two boards for money reasons, or inconsistent training reasons. It is plum silly, and is laughable. My dentist is she molar or incisor certified?
Podiatry needs full scope, until then we can have vision 5000, and 8 years of post-school clinical training and it will not resonate with those who own the gold--MDs.
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I don't think we need to change a whole lot but rather get our education and training more recognized. And I think we are almost there. For instance, I trained at one of the largest teaching hospitals in the country alongside MD's and was treated as a regular intern. I was trained by DPM's and MD's (including ortho). Most residencies are now affiliated with major hospital systems and have similar programs. We have med/surgical privileges at major hospitals, are members of medical staff, take call, etc. Many pods now work in ortho groups. The vast majority of our patients come from MD referrals.
Again, you couldn't just cut DPM's out. Who is going to medically/surgically treat the foot and ankle? Sure, there is some overlap with MD's in our profession but that wouldn't even make a dent in the number of patients that would be seeking treatment. Pods are very well recognized by most MD organizations. On the other hand, politics are politics. So CMS could take a while longer.
The final word and model for ACOs is far from over. Full scope podiatric medicine will take at least decade even if we decide to do it today and therefore is not the solution to the possible ACO problem. Podiatry inclusion is essential and IMO will occur. BTW all specialists (especially) surgeons will see the most changes and income issues if some of the scenarios proposed occur.
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Traum, you are cleraly not me as it appears you are online at the same time per the little green light in the corner.
I think it's much easier to disengage from the more salient issues and, as a default position, this population prefers to bicker about those items - of a personal nature re: history of the poster's identity, hurling aspersions as to character and veracity of information, boasting about personal/anecdotal experiences and flat out dubious, perverse snotty, trenchant canards they're most comfortable with - rather than things relevant to podiatry, being excluded from major payors. Pretentious dilettantes? Maybe. But there is an opportunity to act and fight for inclusion. Unfortunately getting the majority on the same page will be difficult. He said she said he said he said she said she said and nyahh nyahh nyahh and I sat next to Santa Claus the Easter Bunny and a chiropractor who flew in on a G-5 with two squirrles a sack of Gummy Bears and a wish list.
Have yet to receive any real cogent or robustreview of the comments posed, factual discourse regarding ACOs and the exclusion of DPMs.
This is odd. Spending hundred of thousands and enjoying the mediocrity parade.
Instead, the comments are: who are yous, forensic amateur analyses, done befores, and jibber jabber about log ins, and such. Not germane and have no relevance whatsoever. You cannot polish a turd, and eventually the truth stinks. So, let's offer solutions: LCME, USMLEs, core clerkships, ABSITE, ACGME, ABMS. Credentibility starts with MDs--they own the gold and they the decisions.
Where is the beef. Are YOU happy with those masters, famers, and leaders? What are they doing in this new health arena? Why did TX take back the ankle? Why can't a pod testify on injury causation in PA, why are DPMs blocked from the ankle in MA--land of limb salvage?
"ACO professionals are defined as doctors of medicine or osteopathy OR PA/NP/RN." Are pods integral, mainstream? Not per the Feds in the ACO models.
Rhea ipsa loquitor.
This is odd. Spending hundred of thousands and enjoying the mediocrity parade.
Instead, the comments are: who are yous, forensic amateur analyses, done befores, and jibber jabber about log ins, and such. Not germane and have no relevance whatsoever. You cannot polish a turd, and eventually the truth stinks. So, let's offer solutions: LCME, USMLEs, core clerkships, ABSITE, ACGME, ABMS. Credentibility starts with MDs--they own the gold and they the decisions.
Where is the beef. Are YOU happy with those masters, famers, and leaders? What are they doing in this new health arena? Why did TX take back the ankle? Why can't a pod testify on injury causation in PA, why are DPMs blocked from the ankle in MA--land of limb salvage?
"ACO professionals are defined as doctors of medicine or osteopathy OR PA/NP/RN." Are pods integral, mainstream? Not per the Feds in the ACO models.
Rhea ipsa loquitor.
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A refreshing jolt of reality-
These are some difficult issues for many visiting this site. After all many podiatrists prefer to function within the chimera propigated by, for and to podiatry students, residents and practitioners to obscure certain realities in order to sieze and maintain control. Why would this captive audience be diverted from purchasing the podiatry products: chairs, supplies, equipment, malpractice insurance and a plethora of items developed and owned by podiatrists and for podiatrists? Who stands to gain the most from a captive market of nascent practitioners unable -exclusion from MD/DO sites, CME activities - to participate outside their own reality. Reality is what happens even after you stop believing in it~Phillip K. Dick
Does this writing style seem even remotely similar to the post by Traum? It'd certainly be a tremendous leap - Traum is good with language, but; I get paid for it. You can ponder that for a while - I tossed that in for the tit for tatters. (Traum, it occurred to me that I might have faulted your literary skills - contrarily, you write very well). I'm not a pencil pusher and I'm not an English teacher. This - all this business about the exculsion of podiatry is what its about. Stay focused on the most important facet of your careers!
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Thank you "doctorzero". I respect your comments and agree with your opinion of the field.
I am staying focused on the ACO concept and the exclusion of podiatry. I could not give a rat's rear about who's who, who's zooming who, and emotional get a life remarks. Podiatry IS your chosen career, and who is going to pay for your bills given podiatry's exclusion? Mom/dad/trust funder? Obama--who?
ACO--bueller, bueller? The silence deafening.
I am staying focused on the ACO concept and the exclusion of podiatry. I could not give a rat's rear about who's who, who's zooming who, and emotional get a life remarks. Podiatry IS your chosen career, and who is going to pay for your bills given podiatry's exclusion? Mom/dad/trust funder? Obama--who?
ACO--bueller, bueller? The silence deafening.
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The ignore function was a proverbial godsend for this thread.
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Here is the "latest" on the situation if you haven't seen it.
http://www.multibriefs.com/briefs/apma/062311.html
But I stand by my words in that, regardless of how it goes down, podiatry would have to be recognized under any system. Who is going to do all of the foot/ankle in medicine?
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A podiatrist I shadow in Iowa has met with Chuck Grassley on multiple occasions (I think I even remember him mentioning going on a run together once). I wonder if this pod had anything to do with the push for legislature.... I'll have to ask him next time I shadow - that would be really cool if it was!
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The internet is amazing...stumbled across a video from one of MikeHunt's interviews. It all makes sense now
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmwh4pa4bE4&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmwh4pa4bE4&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]
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