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Vitreoretinal surgeon here. The clickbait title is due to most medical students having almost zero exposure to ophthalmology, much less subspecialty ophthalmology. I have a pretty cool and rewarding job, so have at it.

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How early in residency did you decide between Retina vs Anterior segment or General?

What setting are you currently in? Private practice? Academic?

Are people taking a second look at Retina now that Private Equity has swallowed up a lot of the major groups around the country?
 
Are patients sedated during these types of surgeries? I imagine it could be anxiety-inducing if patients are awake but had local anesthesia
 
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I knew before residency, which puts me in the relative minority. My research hooked me.

Private practice partner. There absolutely are people with second thoughts about ophthalmology in general, plus retina, with private equity money doing its thing. I know plenty of practices that have been bought out. I know associates who got no chance to be a partner. I’m lucky, my group has zero interest in PE. The retina job market, including PE jobs, is darn good though.
 
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Are patients sedated during these types of surgeries? I imagine it could be anxiety-inducing if patients are awake but had local anesthesia
My in-office procedures, which includes needles - never unless they have something from their PCP, like with folks that get something for anxiety with flying. Everyone gets topical anesthesia and does great. For OR surgery, they get a little happy juice from anesthesia, some local, and 98% of my patients are awake enough to have a conversation with me if they want. Some docs hate the chats, but I’m fine with it if it makes patients more comfortable, and sometimes you learn some pretty cool stuff.
 
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What’s the average week for you? Split between OR and clinic, volume of pts on clinic days, hours etc?

First job out of training?
 
What’s the average week for you? Split between OR and clinic, volume of pts on clinic days, hours etc?

First job out of training?
1-1.5 days in the OR, average 5-6 cases but as many as 10 or so. The rest is clinic. Clinic days are usually 8:30-4:30, averaging somewhere around 50-60 patients. 1-1.5 hour break at lunch.

Yes, first job. Stuck around and bought in as a partner. Based on my experiences, that’s maybe 30-40% of private practice folks. That may be an overestimate. I got lucky and found a good practice for me.
 
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What tips would you give to somebody just starting out in med school to find out early if Ophtho is the specialty for them?
 
What tips would you give to somebody just starting out in med school to find out early if Ophtho is the specialty for them?
Pretty easy if you have a home program - send an email to their program coordinator and/or program director. See if there’s some time to shadow. If you like it, ask to help with research. As a field, most of us are pretty approachable and like to teach, not too hard to get a foot in the door.
 
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What's your avg collection per pt and geographic region?
 
Povidone iodine or aqueous chlorhexidine? Lid speculum? 30g v 33g?
 
What's your avg collection per pt and geographic region?
C’mon, I know it’s an AMA, but that’s like asking a lady her age. I know my numbers, and frankly I underbill. I’ll leave it at triple digits, but there is also overhead and taxes, so you don’t take that home.

I’m in the Midwest
 
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Povidone iodine or aqueous chlorhexidine? Lid speculum? 30g v 33g?
Always betadine, corneal toxicity with chlorhexidine. Spec if at all possible, fine without if they can’t tolerate one and are able to manage without blinking. 32 or 33g unless our stock ran out, then 30g
 
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It's weird (maybe not) how Retina is an awesome specialty and known that it can make $1 million a year and there really isn't that much interest. Or at least compared to other AMAs.
 
It's weird (maybe not) how Retina is an awesome specialty and known that it can make $1 million a year and there really isn't that much interest. Or at least compared to other AMAs.
Its a relatively small subspecialty in a specialty that most med schools know almost nothing about.

Until I became a doctor, I only knew retina specialists were a thing because my dad was an optometrist and talked about the local retina group from time to time.
 
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Its a relatively small subspecialty in a specialty that most med schools know almost nothing about.

Until I became a doctor, I only knew retina specialists were a thing because my dad was an optometrist and talked about the local retina group from time to time.
Hit the nail on the head. So few schools give you any real exposure to ophthalmology, much less retina. We’re more or less a hidden group of doctors.
 
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Do you think being an MD gave you a big advantage over being a DO?
 
Do you think being an MD gave you a big advantage over being a DO?
Yes. DOs absolutely have a chance to get into the field, but considering I had a home program, I had a big leg up in terms of research opportunities and getting LORs. I do think programs are becoming more DO friendly anecdotally, but I’ve been out of the ballgame for a while.
 
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Yes. DOs absolutely have a chance to get into the field, but considering I had a home program, I had a big leg up in terms of research opportunities and getting LORs. I do think programs are becoming more DO friendly anecdotally, but I’ve been out of the ballgame for a while.
On that note, how much of a leg up is attending a med school with a super solid home program (Michigan)? I have a choice I like a little bit more (should I choose to pursue something outside of Ophtho), but UMich seems to have an abundance of Ophtho-related opportunities.
 
On that note, how much of a leg up is attending a med school with a super solid home program (Michigan)? I have a choice I like a little bit more (should I choose to pursue something outside of Ophtho), but UMich seems to have an abundance of Ophtho-related opportunities.
Good letters are gold, and Kellogg (Michigan) has an incredible program with great folks. Plus all their research. You’d have all the resources, plus if you want to do something else, they’re top notch.
 
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Do you think being an MD gave you a big advantage over being a DO?
I'm an ophtho resident and I was part of the interview committee; my program (unfortunately) selected out all DO applicants. Ophtho is super competitive and I think it's a very uphill battle. You just have to work much harder if you're a DO applying but not impossible!
 
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I really like your username! It is clever!!
Thanks, I take any compliment I can get!
I'm an ophtho resident and I was part of the interview committee; my program (unfortunately) selected out all DO applicants. Ophtho is super competitive and I think it's a very uphill battle. You just have to work much harder if you're a DO applying but not impossible!
Similar experience in residency. I’m too long out of the game to know, but did the merger make things even worse for DO students in regards to residencies? Not sure how many traditional ones closed their doors.

Interestingly, while I know a couple DO retina docs, I know maybe even more who were optometrists who then went to MD school.
 
What do you dislike about optho? Why should someone not go into it?


Honestly, optho is pretty low on my radar but I'm trying to find reasons to cross it off completely 😅
 
What do you dislike about optho? Why should someone not go into it?


Honestly, optho is pretty low on my radar but I'm trying to find reasons to cross it off completely 😅
I’d say there isn’t much for me for us in general, but you’re talking to a sub specialist. If I had to do mostly cataracts, dry eye, etc., it wouldn’t fly for me because my interests are elsewhere. The comprehensive folks usually get to have a great lifestyle with patients giving them high fives for a job well done.

Instead, I deal with a lot of potentially blinding conditions. There was a study years ago where patients ranked what scared them the most, and blindness was number 3 after heart attacks and cancer. I’m the doctor having that conversation way more often than I’d like.

So I’d say for general ophthalmology, the only downsides are if you don’t like busy clinics or microsurgery. If you wanted to go all the way to retina, if you don’t like even busier clinics with more patients who won’t do well, it’s not for you.
 
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On that note, how much of a leg up is attending a med school with a super solid home program (Michigan)? I have a choice I like a little bit more (should I choose to pursue something outside of Ophtho), but UMich seems to have an abundance of Ophtho-related opportunities.
U-M’s home ophtho program would give you good research opportunities and LOR’s. And most of their students match somewhere. However, they rarely take any of their own medical students into their residency program. So there’s no “homer” advantage like Wayne State, which typically matches 2 or 3 of their own students every year into their Ophtho program.
 
I'm in the middle of finishing interviews for different medical schools. Praying I get accepted this cycle. I've decided since long ago that I want to do ophtho. What steps should I take in school to ensure my competitiveness to match?
 
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I'm in the middle of finishing interviews for different medical schools. Praying I get accepted this cycle. I've decided since long ago that I want to do ophtho. What steps should I take in school to ensure my competitiveness to match?
Long way to go. Let’s start with 2 elephants in the room - getting into med school, and still wanting to do ophtho by Match time. The first is obviously crucial, the second is a roll of the dice. MANY people change their minds on specialties. I thought I was going to do 2 other specialties before I chose ophtho.

Assuming those are covered, some thoughts. If you have acceptances where schools have home programs, especially good ones, that’s helpful. That gives you a chance to show interest, shadow, do research, and make connections (very helpful in a small field). This is still possible at other schools, but you have to put more legwork in. This is possibly easier time-wise now with Step 1 being pass/fail instead of a make-or-break number, but I’m too old to know. You’d still have to do well within your classes.

Basically the same recipe as all fields, especially competitive ones. I wish there was an ophtho fairy to make things easier, but it’s mostly some hard work with a little luck mixed in.
 
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It's weird (maybe not) how Retina is an awesome specialty and known that it can make $1 million a year and there really isn't that much interest. Or at least compared to other AMAs.
$1 million? Where is the data on this? bc it seems hard to find
 
$1 million? Where is the data on this? bc it seems hard to find
If you browse around the Ophthalmology board here you will see that it is not the uncommon for private practice Retina folks to hit 7 figures. It is a pretty well known fact in the industry.
 
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$1 million? Where is the data on this? bc it seems hard to find
There really isn’t data other than word of mouth. Salary surveys are notoriously all over the map due to response bias. It seems like MGMA is the most trusted one, and $1M would put you a decent bit above the 95th percentile there.

Edit: Like percyeye said, it’s not crazy unusual if you stay really busy, but not typical/the average. If you keep business costs down and have ancillary income like real estate or an ASC, it’s easier to hit that mark.

Money isn’t everything, though it helps in the age of student loan debt etc. Don’t chase the dollars and wind up not being happy going to work.
 
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Misread this as a someone with a needle stick injury asking for advice. Lol.
 
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