I think I failed my first Bio exam

[ppfizenm]

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Well, anatomy, systems neuro, and endocrinology are all easy classes at my school, so they must be easy at every university in the world. I'm drawing the conclusion that you must be stupid.

at the school of disjointed thought processes?

 

[Timewinders]

at the school of disjointed thought processes?

I hope you're kidding. You made the same assumption about the OP.

 

[ppfizenm]

I hope you're kidding. You made the same assumption about the OP.

I based my assumptions in logic which was explained gratuitously. Perhaps before making baseless accusations you should read the entire conversation instead of just browsing beginning and end.

OP I hope you did great on your test. Not knowing anything about you, but from reading your comment, I said what I thought was right based on the number of pre-meds at the beginning and those left standing at the end and the reasons why they drop out. I realize the subject you are studying now has very little to do with what you sill be doing in the future, if in fact you do make it to medical school, however they hold importance for your GPA and can significantly for the biological sciences section of your MCAT (and the MCAT tests conceptually as well as strict memorization). Again, if you did well, congratulations, if you didn't, I hope your dedication to working harder pays off in the future, if you don't make it to med school, I hope you find something else that you like to do.

 

[Timewinders]

I based my assumptions in logic which was explained gratuitously. Perhaps before making baseless accusations you should read the entire conversation instead of just browsing beginning and end.

I did, actually, but I doubt you'll believe me, since you also missed that I was simply pointing out why Double Trouble said what he said. Well, at least you're being a bit less of a dick now.

 

[ppfizenm]

I did, actually, but I doubt you'll believe me, since you also missed that I was simply pointing out why Double Trouble said what he said. Well, at least you're being a bit less of a dick now.

Well, anatomy, systems neuro, and endocrinology are all easy classes at my school, so they must be easy at every university in the world. I'm drawing the conclusion that you must be stupid.

Baseless. The conclusion does not logically follow based on what I said about my classes.

So you don't think if people really want something, they will try harder and care more?

The OP has shown more concern about his future career in medicine to others who are in the same categorization of being premed ("those" kids). "Those" kids bring down the percentage of premeds in each class.

Posting on the internet = googling a premed relevant topic, finding SDN, caring enough to make an account, and caring enough to make a thread.

I agree with you that hard work isn't enough. But his mindset certainly makes a difference. It's not all white and black, effort does pay off in the long run even if he bombs one or two tests, or gets a B in a class.

And whats with all the snarky remarks like "I don't feel like explaining it again" and all the other posts on this thread?

Contradiction or at least conflicting statements. Originally he makes it sound like hard work is enough to put someone in medical school.

Most of "those" kids who don't make it close to applying are the ones who, freshman year, thought that being a doctor like on House and making a lot of money would be cool. Then, after joining a greek organization and failing their first test, they switched to something else.

Edit: So you shouldn't compare OPs chances of becoming a doctor to an overall statistic.

A good doctor isn't someone who buries their head into a book and studies 24/7. A good doctor is someone who manages time well, studies when they need to, is reasonably intelligent, and has an innate curiosity about medicine and the body.

the conclusion about OP does not follow from the assertion made. We know none of this about OP. Also, all of these things can be true about a person and they can still become a doctor.

 

[Timewinders]

Baseless. The conclusion does not logically follow based on what I said about my classes.

That's the point. Double Trouble was mocking the assumptions you made about the OP by making equally fallacious assumptions about you. You did, in fact, say that since biology is simple memorization the OP must not have what it takes if he doesn't feel he did well on the test, even though biology might not be simple memorization at the OP's school and no one knew how well the OP actually did. You've obviously changed your mind now, but Double Trouble posted before you made it clear that you changed your mind.

 

[ppfizenm]

TBH this should all have been stuff you saw in hs. Since the state of public education is pretty decrepit in some areas so I will assume this is the first time you are seeing it. These are very easy concepts to master. It's possible you are just adjusting to college but the odds of actually making it to med school are not in your favor. The difference between students who start out pre-med compared to the percentage that actually get accepted is very high.

My point isn't that it's an intro bio class which is harped on later. the point is that this is very easy subject material. You don't need to spend hours sitting in a corner to learn it. Punnet squares are common sense. And guess what. This isn't the only time you are going to see this. The HW theory of equilibrium and Mendelian genetics are tested on the MCAT along with other gen bio concepts. You may not be stupid and a B will not kill your chances for med school, but you make it sound like you found this info very challenging. What is going to happen when you start learning about the intricacies of the endocrine system or how the concentration gradients of the kidney work to remove wastes from the blood? If it is the strict memorization you have a problem with how are you ever going to remember all the cranial nerves and their functions?

This is some of the easiest biology you will experience. it's like a step up from common sense.

Yes, speciation and punnet squares are more difficult concepts at Harvard than other schools.

That's the point. Double Trouble was mocking the assumptions you made about the OP by making equally fallacious assumptions about you. You did, in fact, say that since biology is simple memorization the OP must not have what it takes if he doesn't feel he did well on the test, even though biology might not be simple memorization at the OP's school. You've obviously changed your mind now, but Double Trouble posted before you made it clear that you changed your mind.

Nope. Feel free to play again though.

The only time strict memorization is brought up is to highlight the difference from the concept learning I was talking about.

 

[scarshapedstar]

Nope. Feel free to play again though.

The only time strict memorization is brought up is to highlight the difference from the concept learning I was talking about.

Shorter version:

 

[Timewinders]

Nope. Feel free to play again though.

The only time strict memorization is brought up is to highlight the difference from the concept learning I was talking about.

Alright, but you still made assumptions about the concepts being easy to learn and apply on tests at OP's school. You don't know exactly what level of depth he's being taught at.

 

[jay2324]

That's the point. Double Trouble was mocking the assumptions you made about the OP by making equally fallacious assumptions about you. You did, in fact, say that since biology is simple memorization the OP must not have what it takes if he doesn't feel he did well on the test, even though biology might not be simple memorization at the OP's school and no one knew how well the OP actually did. You've obviously changed your mind now, but Double Trouble posted before you made it clear that you changed your mind.

yea that guy did make some crazy assumptions about my class.. My bio teacher emphasizes on problem solving. If she emphasized memorization, i would make an A no doubt....everyone would. But since it is scenarios and problem solving, it is very hard to sit there and think about 30 scenarios and pick the best answer between answers that could all be right, and do it within an hour time limit. Im not saying it cant be done, obviously there were some people who made A's, but it is definitely different than what im used to. This is my first semester at UT so i guess I was also very nervous about this test. Idk...hopefully i made a 70+ but i know i cant make above an 80. But regardless of how i did, it is wrong to just assume intro to bio is a piece of cake at every college. It varies depending on prof and uni.

 

[Ignatius M.D.]

Nice thinly veiled shot at my undergrad. Believe it or not, most accredited colleges try to challenge their students conceptually. I would never be proud of a B- in gen bio btw.

I was not taking a shot at your school. I don't even know where you went, and even if I did, I emphasized the point that professors are what set the level of difficulty more than the institution (although this is often dependent on the school, whether or not you find that abhorrent to say doesn't change things). I was not proud of the B- at the time, but after looking back, I realized that it's OK to not always get the highest grade in every class. Not sure how competitive your classmates were, but I have a feeling the tough competition in medical school will humble you a bit. I used to think I was brilliant until I transferred to my current school and was put into that kind of environment. None of us are as smart as we think we are. Obviously the OP needs to change something, but let's just not be too rash and make assumptions. That's all I'm saying 😉.

 

[Ignatius M.D.]

[...] it is wrong to just assume intro to bio is a piece of cake at every college. It varies depending on prof and uni.

QFT.

Good luck OP. Work hard and adjust to the new situation. You should be fine. If your prof. has office hours, go visit him/her and discuss the material and test format. That is quite helpful sometimes.

 

[Double Trouble]

Hahahahaha... just took a look at this thread again.

I can't believe you are still on about this. The amount of time you spent on this thread trying to argue with others is staggering. Being wrong is better than spending this much time arguing with anonymous people on the internet.

Take a nap... go walk the dog. Watch some reality tv.

 

[jay2324]

I ended up making a decent C+

Not my best test but at least I didn't fail lol

Thanks for all the replies

 

[Prohok]

yea that guy did make some crazy assumptions about my class.. My bio teacher emphasizes on problem solving. If she emphasized memorization, i would make an A no doubt....everyone would. But since it is scenarios and problem solving, it is very hard to sit there and think about 30 scenarios and pick the best answer between answers that could all be right, and do it within an hour time limit. Im not saying it cant be done, obviously there were some people who made A's, but it is definitely different than what im used to. This is my first semester at UT so i guess I was also very nervous about this test. Idk...hopefully i made a 70+ but i know i cant make above an 80. But regardless of how i did, it is wrong to just assume intro to bio is a piece of cake at every college. It varies depending on prof and uni.

OMG, after reading that sentence I just had a little post traumatic stress lmao. I was a nurse before I decided to pursue medicine and ALL our tests in nursing were exactly like that and you had to pick the BEST or prioritize your answer or else it's wrong and all the answers could work. It's one thing to memorize but it's another to take what you learn and apply it to a situation. It'll come with time my friend, just work at it. 👍

EDIT: A little trick I keep in mind when I take those type of test that ask to prioritize or best answer, I always try to think of my ABC. What do I wanna accomplish first that is absolutely important? For example burn patient with burns to the face and trunk, what do you assess first? Breathing.

 

[Dr. Ducky]

I ended up making a decent C+

Not my best test but at least I didn't fail lol

Thanks for all the replies

I've done way worse....congrats on not totally bombing it!!! 👍

Seeing the prof during office hours is a great suggestion. Maybe he/she has some tips as far as studying goes. Look forward to the next thread stating you got an A on the next test. 😉

 

[One Hip Guy]

That cartoon thing would be true if I was trying to be a doctor for the money

But bio is just hard for me to understand because it is so random. Random mutation, speciation...**** like that...especially punnet squares! Punnet squares are not even facts, they are assumptions. Assumptions make me feel like every answer on my test could be right. Idk I'm more of a math/chemistry guy

Biology is one of the easier courses.

If you are a math/chemistry guy, it should come easy to you, so long as you've put in a little effort to pay attention and study. Just try harder next time, I'm sure you can handle it 🙂

 

[jay2324]

OMG, after reading that sentence I just had a little post traumatic stress lmao. I was a nurse before I decided to pursue medicine and ALL our tests in nursing were exactly like that and you had to pick the BEST or prioritize your answer or else it's wrong and all the answers could work. It's one thing to memorize but it's another to take what you learn and apply it to a situation. It'll come with time my friend, just work at it. 👍

EDIT: A little trick I keep in mind when I take those type of test that ask to prioritize or best answer, I always try to think of my ABC. What do I wanna accomplish first that is absolutely important? For example burn patient with burns to the face and trunk, what do you assess first? Breathing.

Finally someone knows what I mean lol

But yes your strategy seems very good. I will definitely try this for my test in 2 weeks.

Thank you 🙂