I was hit on by the physician I shadowed.

[Law2Doc]

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I agree it isn't harassment, but I don't see it in the same light as asking out a nurse or other employee. Maybe it's the fact that I don't think a teacher should be asking out his student, or that there is probably a significant age differential but something about this just makes it seem much more inappropriate.

From a legal/risk management point of view it's far worse for the doctor to be asking out another hospital employee.

"Teacher" is an unusual distinction here because I don't know that many doctors in non-academic settings would consider themselves the teachers of people that shadow them, although at teaching hospitals they might.

Riddle me this -- if instead of shadowing the OP asked the doctor to meet for coffee to get med school advice and at the end of the discussion he asked if she wanted to go out some time would you feel it similarly unprofessional?

 

[Law2Doc]

...You say no, and now you have a conflict in the workplace...

A person who shadows doesn't work there. It's not a "workplace" for her so there can be no conflict at the workplace. She's really just a tourist there, his guest. That's why using the terms "harassment" and "superior" is trying to put a legal definition on something here you shouldn't. It's just an uncomfortable or awkward situation between two adults, nothing more.

Now if she already asked for a LOR and he said "only if you go out with me" I would agree that changes the situation, but there's no evidence the guy thought such a request would be coming and no evidence he offered to help or threatened to damage her career that might change the dynamics.

 

[Mad Jack]

You have a valid point, but do we REALLY know if this doctor is hitting on her? Young females do read too much into situations sometimes.

For example........a common event of a woman who drops her purse......
A young gentleman sees her accident and tries to be a good samaritan and give back the purse.
Young man,"Excuse me miss!"
The young pretty woman would immediately say, "Sorry, but I have a boyfriend." Then proceed to walk off without giving the guy a chance to talk.

Again as always, I do generalized.

Believe me....... I'm on your side MadJack. You're one of my fav people on this site. Thanks for noticing me senpai.......




100%

It's possible she misinterpreted things, and I do agree that you're right in that it can lead to confusion in a lot of situations. I'm just giving op the benefit of the doubt, given the question asked. And I've always enjoyed your posts when they pop up, for the record 😀

 

[Mad Jack]

I agree it isn't harassment, but I don't see it in the same light as asking out a nurse or other employee. Maybe it's the fact that I don't think a teacher should be asking out his student, or that there is probably a significant age differential but something about this just makes it seem much more inappropriate.

I would agree with this. It may not be harassment, per se, but it is highly inappropriate.

 

[AlfonsTheGuru]

A person who shadows doesn't work there. It's not a "workplace" for her so there can be no conflict at the workplace. She's really just a tourist there, his guest. That's why using the terms "harassment" and "superior" is trying to put a legal definition on something here you shouldn't. It's just an uncomfortable or awkward situation between two adults, nothing more.

Now if she already asked for a LOR and he said "only if you go out with me" I would agree that changes the situation, but there's no evidence the guy thought such a request would be coming and no evidence he offered to help or threatened to damage her career that might change the dynamics.

I agree. The only conflict I see is to continue shadowing the physician after rejecting any romantic/sexual advancement. Yes, it is his workplace and she isn't an employee. Even though, a conflict between two individuals occurs. It's just unfortunate someone would have to give up on the experience for something so silly, especially in cases where one finds difficulty in finding a physician to shadow.

 

[AlfonsTheGuru]

In the story, as told, the guy did absolutely nothing wrong and innocently asked her out, which is not the same as "hitting on" (which requires unwelcome flirting and attempts at physical contact). Maybe he really is a creep, but maybe he's just a good guy who found her attractive.

Going off on a tangent here...Older guy liking a younger girl doesn't automatically = pervert. 30+ year old women hate on and gossip about these types of guys all the time (successful middle aged men with younger girlfriends/wives). But when these now-judgemental older women were back in college riding the **** carousel and he was diligently studying and actually wanted a serious relationship instead of casual sex, do you think they would have given him the time of day? Because there are a lot of male physicians who did just that. It's rough being a young man who works hard and desires real relationships with women watch their romantic interests reject them over and over again for some douchey frat guy they find hot who just wants to use them. The really good guys peak when they are 30-40. I don't blame them one bit for being more interested in the 25 year olds instead of those their age who disregarded them left and right when they were younger and now suddenly and desperately think they deserve them.

I don't know the particulars of this situation at all because they were not given, and I could be totally 100% wrong about this dude, but for some reason as written, I kinda feel sorry for the guy.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to offer a casual dinner; my only concern is a reject would just cause this man to treat his observer poorly. If he does not, then it is perfectly fine.

 

[atomi]

Girls that partake in that sort of thing never really do. They were promiscuous in the first place before you came along and you aren't changing anything about that.

accurate.

 

[esob]

You donated to this forum and you don't know what a PI is?

I don't know how donation works.

What would one have to do with the other?
Donation criteria:
- Do I want to support the forum: Yes
- Do I want to remove the ads: Yes (though tbh I already use Adblock, so this is more of a support issue)
- Do I like some of the other features that come with being a donor (such as the ability to delete my own posts): Yes
- Can I afford it? yes

I can't comprehend how any logical person would arrive at the decision, "I don't know what every single acronym on this site is used for, so I probably shouldn't donate until I learn them all."

 

[Snakes]

I had to look up what those acronyms are. That you knew what they were is probably more highly concerning. Funny that it's a thing now in the past few years since I noticed this behavior over a decade ago. Do I have issues with women? Yes, I have issues with women that slept with 75-100 men during their teens and 20s and now want to settle down with a guy like me and try to shame us for having a problem with their past. I encounter more and more often. Sorry, not interested. I have a good one. Yes, she's younger. No, I don't care what you think.

When you say "Yes, she's younger. No, I don't care what you think," all I can think of is child bride arranged marriage.

Date and marry whomever you like (within the bounds of the law, of course), but please keep your creepy views about female sexuality between yourself and your computer. Your posts in this thread reek of bitterness and jealousy, and that stank ain't good on a man (ask any virginal lady).

 

[AlfonsTheGuru]

Sounds like you might have some issues with women dude. You might want to seek some therapy. That you used the term **** carousel is highly concerning- it's generally only used by beta PUA/MGTOW types 🙄

And getting so outraged by an older man asking out a girl irritates you apparently. Did your girlfriend cheat on you for an older man? Jesus Christ.

 

[Mad Jack]

And getting so outraged by an older man asking out a girl irritates you apparently. Did your girlfriend cheat on you for an older man? Jesus Christ.

I'm hardly outraged. I'm just saying it's inappropriate. Not illegal, not reprehensible, not a fireable offense, just inappropriate. The reason for this is simple- it puts pressure on the person shadowing to accept, as declining might negatively impact the way the physician might approach writing a letter. Rejection is something many people don't handle well, and you never know how a person deals with it, so it basically makes the relationship between the shadowing student and the physician no longer objective, and thus means you pretty much have to skip out on shadowing that person in the future if you don't want to waste your time. Oh, and obviously it's uncomfortable to continue shadowing if you decline, so there's that too.

 

[kinda_desperate]

From a legal/risk management point of view it's far worse for the doctor to be asking out another hospital employee.

"Teacher" is an unusual distinction here because I don't know that many doctors in non-academic settings would consider themselves the teachers of people that shadow them, although at teaching hospitals they might.

Riddle me this -- if instead of shadowing the OP asked the doctor to meet for coffee to get med school advice and at the end of the discussion he asked if she wanted to go out some time would you feel it similarly unprofessional?

Well, the act of shadowing a physician very commonly results in the production of a Letter of Recommendation, which is a "professional" document, indicating that the experience was a professional one and there is an implication that the letter writer is in a position of power. Given that situation, it is distasteful to abuse that power. In contrast, you don't see LORs from doctors who are like, "yeah i met up with this candidate and i think they would be a great doctor because their coffee choice is excellent," so i feel your comparison about the coffee scenario is flawed.

 

[WedgeDawg]

Hey everyone, just a reminder to keep things professional and on topic. I realize that this thread has the potential to rapidly spiral out of control, so let's do our best to prevent that from happening. Thanks!

 

[mehc012]

You have a valid point, but do we REALLY know if this doctor is hitting on her? Young females do read too much into situations sometimes.

How about we not ignore her opinion because she's an over-sensitive young female and just go with the story as related by OP, who knows more about the situation than us?

For example........a common event of a woman who drops her purse......
A young gentleman sees her accident and tries to be a good samaritan and give back the purse.
Young man,"Excuse me miss!"
The young pretty woman would immediately say, "Sorry, but I have a boyfriend." Then proceed to walk off without giving the guy a chance to talk.

Again as always, I do generalize.

First of all, yeah...that's an overgeneralization (and if you really think this is a common interaction, whatever city you live in must be far different from any I've ever lived in). Second, this isn't an example of someone thinking they've been hit on. It's an example of someone, as you said, not "giving the guy a chance" to do so in the first place. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't have...but her position on the matter, should it ever come up, is clear from the get-go.

 

[Mad Jack]

Hey everyone, just a reminder to keep things professional and on topic. I realize that this thread has the potential to rapidly spiral out of control, so let's do our best to prevent that from happening. Thanks!

We're back on the rails Dawg

 

[mehc012]

Riddle me this -- if instead of shadowing the OP asked the doctor to meet for coffee to get med school advice and at the end of the discussion he asked if she wanted to go out some time would you feel it similarly unprofessional?

Honestly? Yes.

If I met someone in a professional context and they started asking me out, I would feel awkward and as if I needed to be more cautious in my work interactions, not just them, but with everyone. I would feel that I shouldn't be asking people to meet outside of our workplace, because apparently that sends the wrong message. I would distrust any evaluation they gave me, because clearly they have a biased perspective and/or some motivation to compliment me, which is useless in an assessment. It would totally eff up any professional dynamics. I would definitely not feel that it was appropriate to request an LOR from them...it has a higher risk of being either biased because they like me, or perhaps (though I would hate to suspect it of anyone) because I turned them down. And I would turn them down, if they were my supervisor or mentor.

I find the doctor/nurse scenario less problematic (note: 'less', rather than 'not') because the nurses have their own hierarchy outside of the physicians.

 

[DokterMom]

I'm hardly outraged. I'm just saying it's inappropriate. Not illegal, not reprehensible, not a fireable offense, just inappropriate. The reason for this is simple- it puts pressure on the person shadowing to accept, as declining might negatively impact the way the physician might approach writing a letter. Rejection is something many people don't handle well, and you never know how a person deals with it, so it basically makes the relationship between the shadowing student and the physician no longer objective, and thus means you pretty much have to skip out on shadowing that person in the future if you don't want to waste your time. Oh, and obviously it's uncomfortable to continue shadowing if you declines, so there's that too.

This exactly -- If the physician was asking in a professional capacity, he should have clarified: "I'm working in XYZ clinic - would you like to shadow there as well?" or if in a social capacity at the conclusion of shadowing: "I've really enjoyed spending time with you. Would you be interested in having dinner with me? "

And unfortunately, young women will need to be prepared for handling unwanted advances delicately since it's still a relatively frequent occurrence. The best answer doesn't rely on a boyfriend (real or imagined) since the decision belongs to the young woman either way -- "I'm in a relationship" sounds a little too ask-for-permission. But something along the lines of keeping professional and dating relationships separated --

 

[mehc012]

The best answer doesn't rely on a boyfriend (real or imagined) since the decision belongs to the young woman either way -- "I'm in a relationship" sounds a little too ask-for-permission. But something along the lines of keeping professional and dating relationships separated --

Thank you so, so much for this. I wasn't sure how to say it without coming across as overly touchy (and thus easily ignored) but you pulled it off and hit the nail right on the head.

 

[PikaDocGirl]

Sorry. I've been busy, so this is the first chance I've had to take a look at this forum since I originally posted, but I'm really surprised by some of the comments here and the interpretations that some of you have taken. I really cannot address each and every ridiculous and chauvinistic comment and "male-male-bro-support" some of you have backed each other on. I think as a female, I can comprehend the difference between being asked out and being hit on. And I think most girls are accustomed to being both asked out and hit on and we clearly know the difference between a creeper and a gentleman. It isn't like women always read into things more and we don't always think every time a guy speaks to us as him trying to make an advance on us. Although, I'm sure half of the males who just read the previous statement are still in disagreement. Some of your attitudes and comments are completely demeaning towards women. It's sickening to me that half of these guys act like they want "their" woman to be basically a virgin, when they aren't judged for having many female partners, one night stands, and random bjs. Good luck finding good christian girls when you treat and use women the way you probably have in the past.

Now that I'm done venting, I'll clarify the situation. He knew I was single, because earlier in the day he asked me a casual question about, "how does your boyfriend feel about you going to med school?" And I responded honestly, and said I don't have a boyfriend. He was already doing his research and I just didn't realize it until too late. He touched my back a few times while trying to get around me, which I understand if we were in a tight spot, but we weren't. And lastly, he wasn't asking me to come shadow him over the weekend, but to come over to his place. I'm half his age. I totally get that men want younger and prettier girls. I get that, it's nature. I am a pretty girl, and I know that, but it worries me what it is going to be like in the future working in the healthcare field or any field when men are going to constantly treat me like I'm a "pretty girl" until I get fat (hopefully never) or old.

I'm not trying to call HR and call the doctor out on harassment. I'm just worried about the future as a strong, independent, intelligent, liberal, progressive, sexually-equal female having to deal with the attitudes that some of you have clearly expressed.

 

[Gandyy]

Edit: Didnt even read the post above, calm down guys.

Ok so after reading the post above, yea so its pretty obvious if he asked you to come to his place that quells any idea about him asking you about a shadowing opportunity.

Ya thats messed up. Nothing else to say about it really

 

[Mad Jack]

Im not even convinced that the physician is hitting on her. He could be asking her if she wants another shadow opportunity on the weekend.

Meanwhile #SDN Drama

Oh come on. The only reason a guy is asking a girl to come to his place after shadowing is so that she can shadow his D. Let's not kid ourselves.

 

[mehc012]

Im not even convinced that the physician is hitting on her. He could be asking her if she wants another shadow opportunity on the weekend.

Meanwhile #SDN Drama

The most recent response addresses that. Not sure why everyone is so gung-ho as to reject OP's take on the situation that she experienced, though. Do you typically have a hard time differentiating between someone who is flirting with you and someone who is offering you a career opportunity? Why would you expect that OP would?

 

[Mad Jack]

The most recent response addresses that. Not sure why everyone is so gung-ho as to reject OP's take on the situation that she experienced, though. Do you typically have a hard time differentiating between someone who is flirting with you and someone who is offering you a career opportunity? Why would you expect that OP would?

It's a common defense a lot of guys seem to have on here- automatically question the validity of a female's account of any situation with a guy, from being hit on to rape accusations. I mean, just when you think it's 2015, you see posts like the above and have to wonder...

 

[mehc012]

It's a common defense a lot of guys seem to have on here- automatically question the validity of a female's account of any situation with a guy, from being hit on to rape accusations. I mean, just when you think it's 2015, you see posts like the above and have to wonder...

Dammit Jack, now everyone's going to get all worked up about rape again...I know, I know, the subtext was there the whole time, but putting it in the open like that is like setting off an SDN rage-bomb.

I sincerely hope I am wrong on that.

 

[Gandyy]

Oh come on. The only reason a guy is asking a girl to come to his place after shadowing is so that she can shadow his D. Let's not kid ourselves.

The most recent response addresses that. Not sure why everyone is so gung-ho as to reject OP's take on the situation that she experienced, though. Do you typically have a hard time differentiating between someone who is flirting with you and someone who is offering you a career opportunity? Why would you expect that OP would?

It's a common defense a lot of guys seem to have on here- automatically question the validity of a female's account of any situation with a guy, from being hit on to rape accusations. I mean, just when you think it's 2015, you see posts like the above and have to wonder...

Well I didnt expect a full on attack on my ability to differentiate and my "common defense" mechanisms from both of you. I actually didnt even see or read the last post the OP made before I made that last comment.

Sheesh. It makes more sense now after reading her last account. I was going off of her original post.

 

[mehc012]

Well I didnt expect a full on attack on my ability to differentiate and my "common defense" mechanisms from both of you. I actually didnt even see or read the last post the OP made before I made that last comment.

Sheesh. It makes more sense now after reading her last account. I was going off of her original post.

No, I figured you hadn't read the most recent post.
I still find it a bit frustrating that the default response to "this guy made me feel uncomfortable" is, essentially "you are wrong to feel that way." I said nothing on your common defense mechanisms. I asked that question, not because I think that you would lack an ability to differentiate, but because I assume that you do not lack it, and hoped that you would wonder why the same assumption is not granted to the OP

 

[Gandyy]

No, I figured you hadn't read the most recent post.
I still find it a bit frustrating that the default response to "this guy made me feel uncomfortable" is, essentially "you are wrong to feel that way." I said nothing on your common defense mechanisms, and did not intend to attack you. I asked that question, not because I think that you would lack an ability to differentiate, but because I assume that you do not lack it, and hoped that you would wonder why the same assumption is not granted to the OP.

IDK what happened to be honest. After reading OP's update on the situation, its about as clear as day though as to what is going on.

"However, given that you seem to take my questioning as an attack...can you not see why women would feel similarly upset when their account is constantly questioned and contradicted after they relate it?"

No, its because a giant misunderstanding just occurred within a minute. Nvm what happened.

As to your question, I think anyone would be upset if that happened to them when they know they are in the right for just about any situation. Women definitely fall into that category just as anyone else would.

 

[mehc012]

IDK what happened to be honest. After reading OP's update on the situation, its about as clear as day though as to what is going on.

True. I guess more what I was getting at, though is...my questioning seems to have felt like an attack to you. Given that, can you not see why women would feel similarly upset when their account is constantly questioned and contradicted after they relate it?

(Note: there are definitely times when that sort of questioning of OP makes sense. Some of the old TheBatman threads where he related in detail how into him ALL of his female profs were come to mind, but those were cases where overwhelming, yet unrealistic sounding detail was given and the premise was outside of people's typical experience. 1 guy asking a girl out does not sound so far-fetched as all that.)

 

[Mad Jack]

Well I didnt expect a full on attack on my ability to differentiate and my "common defense" mechanisms from both of you. I actually didnt even see or read the last post the OP made before I made that last comment.

Sheesh. It makes more sense now after reading her last account. I was going off of her original post.

Ah, that's why I was like, "srsly? did you not even read what she just posted?"

But you hadn't so that makes sense 😛

 

[Gandyy]

Ah, that's why I was like, "srsly? did you not even read what she just posted?"

But you hadn't so that makes sense 😛

its my fault. I didnt read it. No harm done

 

[Gandyy]

True. I guess more what I was getting at, though is...my questioning seems to have felt like an attack to you. Given that, can you not see why women would feel similarly upset when their account is constantly questioned and contradicted after they relate it?

(Note: there are definitely times when that sort of questioning of OP makes sense. Some of the old TheBatman threads where he related in detail how into him ALL of his female profs were come to mind, but those were cases where overwhelming, yet unrealistic sounding detail was given and the premise was outside of people's typical experience. 1 guy asking a girl out does not sound so far-fetched as all that.)

Holy... I'm gonna need a microscope for that fine text.

I answered your question above though

 

[mehc012]

Holy... I'm gonna need a microscope for that fine text.

I answered your question above though

Haha, I made it small because it wasn't germane to the discussion at hand, but I wanted to include it because I didn't want it to seem that I'm 'an OP is always unquestionably right!' Sorry for being confusing...I moved it to a new post once I saw my edit had gone through too late.

And yes, women and men would both have that reaction, but women seem to be put in that position more frequently. That's all I was lamenting.

Just to be clear, at this point none of this is a discussion about you or anything you posted. It's just a general observation of the direction this thread has taken and similar threads often do.

 

[ZedsDed]

Dammit Jack, now everyone's going to get all worked up about rape again.

 

[Gandyy]

Haha, I made it small because it wasn't germane to the discussion at hand, but I wanted to include it because I didn't want it to seem that I'm 'an OP is always unquestionably right!' Sorry for being confusing...I moved it to a new post once I saw my edit had gone through too late.

And yes, women and men would both have that reaction, but women seem to be put in that position more frequently. That's all I was lamenting.

Just to be clear, at this point none of this is a discussion about you or anything you posted. It's just a general observation of the direction this thread has taken and similar threads often do.

Yea its true, women are put in that position more often, but yea anyone would have that reaction. Well I'd hope haha, I was just echoing what Catalystik was saying on the first page of this thread. Of course that was before I read the update from the OP, which totally changes things.

 

[Chelsea FC]

And to the guys complaining about women having multiple partners, Us newer generation are enjoying the benefits of women having sexual freedom 🙄. And pre-meds now a days arent the stereotyped nerds back then so in college we do fine for our-self and dont get our panties in a bunch anytime a girl want to explore there sexuality .

 

[Gandyy]

And to the guys complaining about women having multiple partners, Us newer generation are enjoying the benefits of women having sexual freedom 🙄. And pre-meds now a days arent the stereotyped nerds back then so in college we do fine for our-self and dont get our panties in a bunch anytime a girl want to explore there sexuality .

Do tell about how only the "newer generation" "enjoys benefits of women having sexual freedom".

Actually, nvm DO not tell lol

 

[Womb Raider]

I am a pretty girl, and I know that, but it worries me what it is going to be like in the future working in the healthcare field or any field when men are going to constantly treat me like I'm a "pretty girl" until I get fat (hopefully never) or old.

I'm just worried about the future as a strong, independent, intelligent, liberal, progressive, sexually-equal female...

A) You'll be treated like this in all fields. Nothing is unique about medicine.
B) The reverse actually happens too *gasp*
C) Honestly, I'm shocked this is coming to you as a surprise. If you're old enough to be a pre-med in college, you're old enough to know how men act toward pretty young girls/women. I'd encourage figuring out a way to handle these situations delicately, innocently dispelling unwelcome advances while maintaining a good rapport with the instigator. Sure, it may feel good (and even justified) to powerfully exert your feminism and sever all ties with the guy (often to his embarrassment), but, as you grow older and more mature, I think you'll find that acting this way really isn't hurting anyone but you. Life is short - use the gifts God has given you.

 

[Gandyy]

A) You'll be treated like this in all fields. Nothing is unique about medicine.
B) The reverse actually happens too *gasp*
C) Honestly, I'm shocked this is coming to you as a surprise. If you're old enough to be a pre-med in college, you're old enough to know how men act toward pretty young girls/women. I'd encourage figuring out a way to handle these situations delicately, innocently dispelling unwelcome advances while maintaining a good rapport with the instigator. Sure, it may feel good (and even justified) to powerfully exert your feminism and sever all ties with the guy (often to his embarrassment), but, as you grow older and more mature, I think you'll find that acting this way really isn't hurting anyone but you. Life is short - use the gifts God has given you.

Yea, but there is a difference though. Knowing about bad things that can happen to you and them ACTUALLY happening to you are different things. OP decided to make a post about it after it happened to her. Its not unreasonable I dont think.

 

[Cotterpin]

C) Honestly, I'm shocked this is coming to you as a surprise. If you're old enough to be a pre-med in college, you're old enough to know how men act toward pretty young girls/women. I'd encourage figuring out a way to handle these situations delicately, innocently dispelling unwelcome advances while maintaining a good rapport with the instigator. Sure, it may feel good (and even justified) to powerfully exert your feminism and sever all ties with the guy (often to his embarrassment), but, as you grow older and more mature, I think you'll find that acting this way really isn't hurting anyone but you. Life is short - use the gifts God has given you.

I just want to point out that it can be just as embarrassing to the woman who has to turn down a guy. It's very uncomfortable, not just about "powerfully exerting your feminism." It's a hella awkward social situation for everybody involved. Which is why it would be so nice if people could try not to view every professional relationship as a potential sexual relationship.

 

[mehc012]

Yea, but there is a difference though. Knowing about bad things that can happen to you and them ACTUALLY happening to you are different things. OP decided to make a post about it after it happened to her. Its not unreasonable I dont think.

Exactly. Sounds like she's trying to figure out precisely the things @WombRaider is suggesting (I wouldn't mind tips, either)...so what's the solution?

 

[mehc012]

I just want to point out that it can be just as embarrassing to the woman who has to turn down a guy. It's very uncomfortable, not just about "powerfully exerting your feminism." It's a hella awkward social situation for everybody involved. Which is why it would be so nice if people could try not to view every professional relationship as a potential sexual relationship.

I don't think I've ever liked a post of yours more.

Nothing ruins a day as quickly as having to turn someone down, or not knowing how to, or feeling like you shouldn't yet because you are required to interact with them for hours longer and you don't know how they'll react (aka will the rest of the day be more awkward/terrible if I turn them down, or if I uncomfortably ignore their advances?)

 

[Mad Jack]

And to the guys complaining about women having multiple partners, Us newer generation are enjoying the benefits of women having sexual freedom 🙄. And pre-meds now a days arent the stereotyped nerds back then so in college we do fine for our-self and dont get our panties in a bunch anytime a girl want to explore there sexuality .

Do tell about how only the "newer generation" "enjoys benefits of women having sexual freedom".

Actually, nvm DO not tell lol

Really hating the new lack of linkthru for images over a certain size. It's not like you can't just hit "reply" to see them anyway.

 

[ZedsDed]

I just want to point out that it can be just as embarrassing to the woman who has to turn down a guy. It's very uncomfortable, not just about "powerfully exerting your feminism." It's a hella awkward social situation for everybody involved. Which is why it would be so nice if people could try not to view every professional relationship as a potential sexual relationship.

Let's be honest, the vast majority of "people" who think that way have a Y chromosome.

 

[Womb Raider]

Honestly, I'd find a good-looking, successful older professional woman to talk to about this.

 

[mehc012]

Let's be honest, the vast majority of "people" who think that way have a Y chromosome.

But it's not wrong because they have a Y chromosome...it's frustrating when anyone does it.

 

[mehc012]

Honestly, I'd find a good-looking, successful older professional woman to talk to about this.

I assume everyone on SDN is a good-looking, successful, older professional woman until indicated otherwise 😛

 

[Gandyy]

Really hating the new lack of linkthru for images over a certain size. It's not like you can't just hit "reply" to see them anyway.

lol... where do you find these.

Its like you have a reservoir of these saved for every situation.

 

[Law2Doc]

...Do you typically have a hard time differentiating between someone who is flirting with you and someone who is offering you a career opportunity?

Again shadowing is not a "career opportunity". Language is really quite important here because there's legal significance in that which is workplace sexual harassment ( which this isn't) versus merely uncomfortable and perhaps unprofessional behavior with a doctor who OP is simply not interested in.

 

[mehc012]

lol... where do you find these.

Its like you have a reservoir of these saved for every situation.

The bolded exists. At least one such iteration is known as giphy. 👍

 

[Gandyy]

The bolded exists. At least one such iteration is known as giphy. 👍

wow had no idea