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Y'all keep getting salty as I study my ass off, work hard and compete for your residency spot.
Caribbean medical students were never in competition for my residency spot.
Y'all keep getting salty as I study my ass off, work hard and compete for your residency spot.
Caribbean medical students were never in competition for my residency spot.
Not to help you gloat about whatever residency youre in but depending on the competitiveness of your residency 90% of all medical students might not be competitive for it.Caribbean medical students were never in competition for my residency spot.
Not true. AMGs only have the summer between MS1 and MS2 off (one summer, not "summers"), which is typically a year away from Step 1, not to mention most of Step 1 relevant material is covered in MS2, so you really can't study for Step 1 in the summer between MS1 and MS2.Youre forgetting that US medical school give their students summers off but some caribbean med schools dont have summer breaks. So actually US medical students are given much more time to study for the step.
I cant speak for most IMGs but the quality of clinical rotations at Ross has greatly improved in the past decade.Not true. AMGs only have the summer between MS1 and MS2 off (one summer, not "summers"), which is typically a year away from Step 1, not to mention most of Step 1 relevant material is covered in MS2, so you really can't study for Step 1 in the summer between MS1 and MS2.
Moreover, what many (most?) mainland students do in that one summer is research, which gives them further advantage.
Most importantly, as was mentioned above, it's the quality of clinical training that distinguishes between MD, DO and Carribbean students. Residency programs typically know which schools provide good clinical training, and Carribbean schools simply don't.
I really hate to kick you when you're down, but being in denial about your competitiveness is not helping you either.
I cant speak for most IMGs but the quality of clinical rotations at Ross has greatly improved in the past decade.
And Im not in denial. Its a tough spot for anyone to be in and I wouldnt recommend it but that opportunity its better than working as a lab tech for $28K with a master's degree in biology and no chance for any upward mobility or personal respect.
Im basing this on former students who I have met. They are recent graduates and have been able to see improvements in the clinical rotation that have evolved over the years.What are you basing the improving clinical rotations on? Maybe it's true, I dont know, just wondering where you are getting that from
I dont understand why you would give preference to the person who went to a US medical school if they had a lower score. I can see giving preference to US citizens though. That makes sense
Im basing this on former students who I have met. They are recent graduates and have been able to see improvements in the clinical rotation that have evolved over the years.
I think its something along the lines of better hospitals and students being able to complete all of their clinical rotations at a single hospital as opposed to multiple hospitals as it has been in the past.Improvements in terms of what is my entire question. "It's better" is pretty nebulous.
I think its something along the lines of better hospitals and students being able to complete all of their clinical rotations at a single hospital as opposed to multiple hospitals as it has been in the past.
Most of the teaching hospitals at Ross are in major cities like. LA, Chicago, and New York. I looked some of those hospitals up and they have decent ratings.
I cant speak for most IMGs but the quality of clinical rotations at Ross has greatly improved in the past decade.
And Im not in denial. Its a tough spot for anyone to be in and I wouldnt recommend it but that opportunity its better than working as a lab tech for $28K with a master's degree in biology and no chance for any upward mobility or personal respect.
It's only better if you succeed. If you don't and end up thousands of dollars in debt, they you are far worse off than if you were stuck making a solid $28K without that debt.
Wrong.It's only better if you succeed. If you don't and end up thousands of dollars in debt, they you are far worse off than if you were stuck making a solid $28K without that debt.
Wrong.
If you only earn $28K a year and are $60K in debt from undergrad + grad school that is actually worse that earning $120K and being $230K in debt. The ability to live a comfortable life is all about purchasing power and I don't think loans can force you to pay more that 25% of your total earnings!
Wrong.
If you only earn $28K a year and are $60K in debt from undergrad + grad school that is actually worse that earning $120K and being $230K in debt. The ability to live a comfortable life is all about purchasing power and I don't think loans can force you to pay more that 25% of your total earnings!
You don't know anything about me jerk off.This poor reading comprehension may be part of what got you into this mess in the first place.
Wrong.
If you only earn $28K a year and are $60K in debt from undergrad + grad school that is actually worse that earning $120K and being $230K in debt. The ability to live a comfortable life is all about purchasing power and I don't think loans can force you to pay more that 25% of your total earnings!
Dude stfu. Not everyone wants DO. Like how the **** is it anyone's business where I choose to study?
You don't know anything about me jerk off.
Just shut up. You would be lucky to get a residency in UgandaWoa, if you want people to treat you seriously, maybe...I don't know, you should talk at their level and not throw the f words around? Everyone is is free to have their opinion whether, and if you have that "you don't know jack about me so stfu" attitude, why bother coming on forum (or, attach a PS to everyone of your post so we know something about you?)
and honestly based on how you two talk, I'm very happy that you did not bother about us lowly DOs...We actually want to work to improve our image and change how people perceive us.
I'm done with this thread
It's funny how y'all talk crap and then try to pull the "professionalism card"
Ross University School of medicine students obtained 830 residencies for 2015. Thats more than 4x's the amount of students in the average US med class.
Thats still an impressive feat when you consider that nearly 3% of all US residency positions are being filled by one school based in the Caribbeanand how many applied? absolute numbers mean nothing. if a drug improves outcome in 5000 but causes serious complications in 10000, that's not really an overall win
I absolutely disagree. Who cares what some pre-med, med student or physician's view of NP is? Clearly, going the NP route is the greater of professional choices. Look at their political clout. They will also have independent practice rights in 50 states within the next 10-15 years. Let's not get emotional with advice.If you go the mid-level route, please strongly consider the PA route before NP. The direct entry NP programs just seem like a terrible idea. It's an embarrassment to the nursing profession. PA education seems much more solid, and difference in quality is greatly exacerbated when becoming an NP w/o strong RN experience. I know multiple RNs that went thru a dual NP/PA program and all said they wouldn't even bother with the NP portion if doing it again. Even with RN experience, if I weren't pursing the MD route I would opt for PA over NP. Good luck!
Thats still an impressive feat when you consider that nearly 3% of all US residency positions are being filled by one school based in the Caribbean
Doesnt a preliminary residency come after a categorical residency?If Ross were a US school , it would be shut down by LCME for it's lousy match numbers.
How many of those residencies are preliminaries vs categoricals?
This makes no sense because if Ross were in mainland then their graduate match numbers would be higher. If Harvard was to be in the Caribbean their match rate would be lower.If Ross were a US school , it would be shut down by LCME for it's lousy match numbers.
How many of those residencies are preliminaries vs categoricals?
No. It ideally comes before an advanced residency but in the case of Caribbean grads all to often comes before re-applying to the match. The so-called "dead end prelim" is what's being referred to here -- it makes the schools match numbers look better ( if they don't break it out from the categoricals) but is still far from being on track for a career in medicine.Doesnt a preliminary residency come after a categorical residency?
See my post above. A prelim IS the residency you have to complete before an advanced residency. But if you don't have an advanced residency also already lined up, it means you'll be back in the match a year later. So for offshore grads it's sometimes a dead end path, but it makes match numbers artificially look better.I only asked my weird question because I thought preliminary residencies were offered before entry into an advanced residency. This made me think that those people would have already completed a residency program.
Please clarify if Im wrong about this.
WowDoesnt a preliminary residency come after a categorical residency?
This makes no sense because if Ross were in mainland then their graduate match numbers would be higher. If Harvard was to be in the Caribbean their match rate would be lower.
This makes no sense because if Ross were in mainland then their graduate match numbers would be higher. If Harvard was to be in the Caribbean their match rate would be lower.
Thats still an impressive feat when you consider that nearly 3% of all US residency positions are being filled by one school based in the Caribbean
This makes no sense because if Ross were in mainland then their graduate match numbers would be higher. If Harvard was to be in the Caribbean their match rate would be lower.
For someone who for whatever reason is very interested to become a doctor, and has some blemish on their record that prohibits them from getting into a mainland school but doesn't close residency doors--ie not something criminal or unprofessional, then trying a Caribbean school is a risky but reasonable alternative. It's like investing 200k in a business that has a 50-50 likelihood of success with good return (or no success with a sizable loan to repay.
SDN makes going to a Caribbean school sound like career suicide. Two of my good friends from post-bacc attended Ross because they couldn't get into osteopathic schools, and they're doing well. They both had high GPAs and low MCATs, and were advised to go that route instead of getting a Master's and reapplying.
They're MS2s (already!) and I'm an MS1. They're even going to finish before I will because of how fast Ross moves students through preclinicals.
Why would our advisers recommend a path that seems so risky?
The odds of you and them ever being a doctor are something like 25%. Look up the term "attrition rate".
And of course, you don't think that will ever happen to you, do you?