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j4pac said:
True...good point. If I was not in an active relationship...I would suck it up. It would be much more difficult if I was in an active relationship...would alienate your partner.
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Yah, frankly id probably do the same if it was LUCOM or never being a doctor.

But as I've said before. Id try my best avoiding such a situation.
 
HandsomeRob said:
Heres a couple:

Sexual, Physical, Written or Verbal Misconduct
Respect for the dignity of each individual as a person created in God’s image is fundamental to
the institutional culture desired at Liberty University College of Osteopathic Medicine.
Misconduct that is contrary to the teachings of the Christian faith (thus constituting a violation of
the Code of Conduct includes, but is not limited to:
 Sexually-oriented joking or comments
 Harassment of an individual based on race or gender
 Unwelcome touching or any touching of a sexual nature
 Verbal or physical abuse
 Verbal or written disrespect to a faculty or staff member (this includes e-mails)
 Offensive or crude language directed at individuals
 Display of objects or pictures that depict nudity or are otherwise sexual in nature
 Persistent, unwanted attempts to change a casual or friendly relationship into a romantic
or more intimate one
Non-marital sexual relations and the encouragement or advocacy of sexual behaviors which
undermine Christian identity or Liberty Universities faith mission are defined by the University
as morally inappropriate misconduct and constitute violations of this Personal Code of Conduct.

Reporting Procedure

Any student who believes that he/she has been the subject of harassment in any form should

report the incident immediately to the Student Services Office. The student will be given the

opportunity to express his/her concerns and will then be appraised of the recourse available to

him/her under school policy and local and state statutes.

Pornography

Involvement with pornographic, obscene, indecent, or other similarly offensive materials,

expressions, or conduct is inconsistent with the Personal Code of Conduct and the Christian

World View of the College and University. Use of the University's computing network to obtain

or distribute such materials constitutes a violation of the Code.

Prohibited Substances

The College of Osteopathic Medicine seeks to provide a drug-free, healthy, and safe learning

environment. To this end, no student should misuse legal drugs or other legal medications, or

use, possess, distribute, or sell alcohol, illegal drugs or tobacco products.

Penalty

Any student of Liberty University, who engages in the aforementioned behavior(s), is subject to

disciplinary action, which may result in community service or possible dismissal. Since the

University takes such charges seriously, where the results of an investigation reveal a complaint

of harassment/sexual harassment to be frivolous or groundless, the individual having made such

a complaint may be subject to the same disciplinary action.
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Yup, definitely too strict for me. I don't think I could willingly allow a institution to decide whether I can drink or have sex.
 
PhoenixFire said:
I'm pretty sure that their religious belief DOES influence their teaching (from http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/lucom-liberty-vs-lmu-dcom.1124016/):
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Regardless of the paper that was published, I'm pretty sure students have come onto the board and said that creationism etc. are NOT part of their curriculum. That paper is odd, but it has no part in the education (sourcing students on this site).


Secondly, that handbook applies to the undergraduate for sure. I don't know how many of those same rules apply to medical students. However, I do agree, lacking the code of conduct does indeed make it difficult to discern.

I have no horses in this race, but I think individuals whom apply have enough information to make an educated decision on whether to apply or not. Frankly, there seems to be a LUCOM thread monthly. Let them build their own reputation; no need to continuously make pre-mature assumptions or predictions. These threads become troll-bait.
 
I completely forgot I had a buddy who went there in undergrad. I messaged him and although he isn't 100% on med school policies, he did say that the rules really only apply if you're living on campus. Who knows though, I figure I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
 
HandsomeRob said:
Heres a couple:

Sexual, Physical, Written or Verbal Misconduct
Respect for the dignity of each individual as a person created in God’s image is fundamental to
the institutional culture desired at Liberty University College of Osteopathic Medicine.
Misconduct that is contrary to the teachings of the Christian faith (thus constituting a violation of
the Code of Conduct includes, but is not limited to:
 Sexually-oriented joking or comments
 Harassment of an individual based on race or gender
 Unwelcome touching or any touching of a sexual nature
 Verbal or physical abuse
 Verbal or written disrespect to a faculty or staff member (this includes e-mails)
 Offensive or crude language directed at individuals
 Display of objects or pictures that depict nudity or are otherwise sexual in nature
 Persistent, unwanted attempts to change a casual or friendly relationship into a romantic
or more intimate one
Non-marital sexual relations and the encouragement or advocacy of sexual behaviors which
undermine Christian identity or Liberty Universities faith mission are defined by the University
as morally inappropriate misconduct and constitute violations of this Personal Code of Conduct.

Reporting Procedure

Any student who believes that he/she has been the subject of harassment in any form should

report the incident immediately to the Student Services Office. The student will be given the

opportunity to express his/her concerns and will then be appraised of the recourse available to

him/her under school policy and local and state statutes.

Pornography

Involvement with pornographic, obscene, indecent, or other similarly offensive materials,

expressions, or conduct is inconsistent with the Personal Code of Conduct and the Christian

World View of the College and University. Use of the University's computing network to obtain

or distribute such materials constitutes a violation of the Code.

Prohibited Substances

The College of Osteopathic Medicine seeks to provide a drug-free, healthy, and safe learning

environment. To this end, no student should misuse legal drugs or other legal medications, or

use, possess, distribute, or sell alcohol, illegal drugs or tobacco products.

Penalty

Any student of Liberty University, who engages in the aforementioned behavior(s), is subject to

disciplinary action, which may result in community service or possible dismissal. Since the

University takes such charges seriously, where the results of an investigation reveal a complaint

of harassment/sexual harassment to be frivolous or groundless, the individual having made such

a complaint may be subject to the same disciplinary action.
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Basically sounds like the undergrad rules do apply to COM students... since they're prohibiting alcohol, porn, sex, etc. in accordance with the "Code of Conduct ...of the College and University".
 
I know fraternities all have rules explicitly stating NO alcohol consumption whatsoever for people under 21. Thats certainly not followed.

I dont think people should be as worried as they are. Sometimes rules are just there, ya know?
 
asdf123g said:
I know fraternities all have rules explicitly stating NO alcohol consumption whatsoever for people under 21. Thats certainly not followed.

I dont think people should be as worried as they are. Sometimes rules are just there, ya know?
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Yeah... but "no drinking under 21" is a legal liability issue.

When you start getting into otherwise-legal things being a school-specific breach of "morality" (with serious repercussions) is where it's a sticky subject.

Edit: in my mind, they're basically telling me I can't do things I currently do just because they don't like it. ... which is why I would never consider applying to or going to LUCOM. 😉 For people who share LU's philosophy, I'm sure it fosters an environment they appreciate.
 
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asdf123g said:
I know fraternities all have rules explicitly stating NO alcohol consumption whatsoever for people under 21. Thats certainly not followed.

I dont think people should be as worried as they are. Sometimes rules are just there, ya know?
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There's a difference between a fraternity that says "don't do this thing" and a school that says "don't do everything you enjoy at all ever." You can hide a bit of drinking from a fraternity. You can't sweep your entire life under the rug.
 
asdf123g said:
I know fraternities all have rules explicitly stating NO alcohol consumption whatsoever for people under 21. Thats certainly not followed.

I dont think people should be as worried as they are. Sometimes rules are just there, ya know?
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You can't seriously consider these equalivant.
Underage drinking is against the law. Having premarital sex, watching R rated movies, drinking, watch porn, living with someone when you aren't married are not illegal.
 
touchpause13 said:
You can't seriously consider these equalivant.
Underage drinking is against the law. Having premarital sex, watching R rated movies, drinking, watch porn, living with someone when you aren't married are not illegal.
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Right. And it's pretty offensive to have someone tell you that they don't just disagree with your current -- perfectly legal and socially acceptable -- lifestyle, but that it is so wrong that you will be PUNISHED for it.
 
It would never be my only option because I know it wouldn't be a good fit for me so I wouldn't apply there.
If you're comfortable with their practices apply, go to the interview and if after the interview you don't like it pull your application so it won't be your only acceptance.
 
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NobleGas14 said:
Regardless of the paper that was published, I'm pretty sure students have come onto the board and said that creationism etc. are NOT part of their curriculum. That paper is odd, but it has no part in the education (sourcing students on this site).


Secondly, that handbook applies to the undergraduate for sure. I don't know how many of those same rules apply to medical students. However, I do agree, lacking the code of conduct does indeed make it difficult to discern.

I have no horses in this race, but I think individuals whom apply have enough information to make an educated decision on whether to apply or not. Frankly, there seems to be a LUCOM thread monthly. Let them build their own reputation; no need to continuously make pre-mature assumptions or predictions. These thre
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The restrictions I posted were from the medical student handbook.
 
Premedofthesouth said:
So is it that you can't have alcohol on campus or at all while you're attending the school?
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The answer is, per the handbook, no alcohol at all. I discussed this at length in the LUCOM vs. LMU thread. They basically say that they wont punish you for it, but they have the right too per the handbook.
 
Bea5T said:
 Display of objects or pictures that depict nudity or are otherwise sexual in nature


But what if youre just studying female anatomy?
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You don't need a fundamental understanding of anatomy to diagnose, you can always just point and say "x thingy that does y." But yeah banning legal adult things is a bit much.
 
If you don't live on campus I doubt lucom is going come by and inspect you're apt to see if youre following the rules. Just follow what they say while campus, once you leave, do what you want
 
Premedofthesouth said:
You don't need a fundamental understanding of anatomy to diagnose, you can always just point and say "x thingy that does y." But yeah banning legal adult things is a bit much.
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You do realize anatomy is literally the foundation of our profession right?
You need anatomy.
 
That alcohol part is gonna be hard for a lot of people I think.
 
GypsyHummus said:
That alcohol part is gonna be hard for a lot of people I think.
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Yes I can foresee either the University having to backpedal their "no alcohol" rule for medical students or lawsuits coming their way when medical students start getting fined/disciplined/demerits/time-outs/naughty points/expelled/whatever they do.

Or maybe not a single medical student will drink. 🙄
 
J Senpai said:
What about OMM training? Will the genders be segregated for that? Any touching between the sexes might be a bit too scandalous.
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hahah
and only same gender standardized patients?
 
johnamo said:
Yes I can foresee either the University having to backpedal their "no alcohol" rule for medical students or lawsuits coming their way when medical students start getting fined/disciplined/demerits/time-outs/naughty points/expelled/whatever they do.

Or maybe not a single medical student will drink. 🙄
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J Senpai said:
Idk, but looking at that handbook, I wouldn't be surprised if they built a wall around the school so they could put all their menstruating students behind it.
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What if the wall breaks though?

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johnamo said:
Yes I can foresee either the University having to backpedal their "no alcohol" rule for medical students or lawsuits coming their way when medical students start getting fined/disciplined/demerits/time-outs/naughty points/expelled/whatever they do.

Or maybe not a single medical student will drink. 🙄
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Why would they need to backpedal? Its pretty clear in the handbook. You have to sign that you will abide by their COC. Its like that gym membership 'trial' at LA fitness which is no contract but has $200.00 of fees. Its not their fault you agreed to it 😉. Besides, if they like you, you won't get in trouble. Simple.
 
GypsyHummus said:
That alcohol part is gonna be hard for a lot of people I think.
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Seriously, are all premeds recovering alcoholics? They can't get off the sauce for 4 years? How did you all make it to 21?
 
HandsomeRob said:
Why would they need to backpedal? Its pretty clear in the handbook. You have to sign that you will abide by their COC. Its like that gym membership 'trial' at LA fitness which is no contract but has $200.00 of fees. Its not their fault you agreed to it 😉. Besides, if they like you, you won't get in trouble. Simple.
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You sir, would have just been dismissed from LUCOM.
 
Mr Kenobi said:
You sir, would have just been dismissed from LUCOM.
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Wait a second, did you just imply I wrote something that violates the COC? I would never violate the COC! I have never violated a COC in my life!

Man, if I hadn't worked 11 hours, I would have never gotten that joke so fast, nothing like the hospital to put you straight back in the gutter.
 
HandsomeRob said:
Seriously, are all premeds recovering alcoholics? They can't get off the sauce for 4 years? How did you all make it to 21?
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Just wait til you start classes
Then you will see, EtOH is your best friend during medical school.
 
HandsomeRob said:
Seriously, are all premeds recovering alcoholics? They can't get off the sauce for 4 years? How did you all make it to 21?
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like I understand not living with a significant other before marriage, but alcohol after 21? what do med students drink after a test?
 
GypsyHummus said:
like I understand not living with a significant other before marriage, but alcohol after 21? what do med students drink after a test?
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Oh I definately think their doing a lot more of
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touchpause13 said:
You can't seriously consider these equalivant.
Underage drinking is against the law. Having premarital sex, watching R rated movies, drinking, watch porn, living with someone when you aren't married are not illegal.
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You missed the point. My point was, its there...doesnt mean its gonna be followed. No need to freak out man, jesus (pun intended).
 
Premedofthesouth said:
So is it that you can't have alcohol on campus or at all while you're attending the school?
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I directly asked their admissions staff if I could live with my girlfriend or have a glass of wine with dinner, and was told no on both accounts, and that I should really stop with the booze and marry my girlfriend if I wanted to attend.

Just ask them yourself, directly, via email. They'll tell you the score.
 
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