If Similar, Why Go MD?

[AJM]

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Originally posted by profunda
That is what I thought too, until medical school. You will never see IMGs apply for early match specialties, because they will never get in. Some schools, like stanford, dont even consider IMGs even in primary care programs, even IMGs who scored 280 on boards and published 5 papers. IMGs pretty much have to aim for uncoveted specialities in community programs, if they are lucky enough to even get matched, no matter what the fortitude/step1 is.

Similar discriminations go against DOs, but not that far of an extent. This is not braveheart - titles will matter for residency.

Interesting you say that... I wonder where you got this information. I know at least 6 or 7 current housestaff at Stanford who are IMGs, and several of them are in subspecialties, not just in the internal medicine program. On the other hand, I have not met a single resident or fellow at Stanford who is a DO.
Just an observation...

 

[dl2dp2]

One thing for the OP:
The DO philosophy, as much (or little) as I know about it, de-emphasizes the importance of bio-molecular medicine. They emphasize things like integrative/alternative style therapies and so forth. I think these pathways are more than legitamate ways of clinical practice, but this philosophy is not the central focus of primary research universities.

Major research universities generally securing funding via:
(1) Tertiary subspecialty care that tends to be highly technical and research oriented
(2) Governmental and private funding sources for basic and clinical research

So, the buzz word for MD should be and has been:research. I personally think that DOs are significantly handicapped by a great deal in terms of the lack of research oppurtunities, or simply lack of exposure of evidence based medicine per se. Competitive subspecialties frown upon DOs because they know extremely few of them would have sufficient training or inititive to start a research program, or become a lab head. Major academic medical centers are not willy-nilly places where most people get the most "humanistic" care. They are places where desperate people come for the most cutting-edge care.

Now which is better, which makes people happier and in actuality helps them more is an ENTIRELY different issue. But I think people who go into DO vs people who go into MD should know what they are getting into. As some have said, some MD schools are no harder to get into than DO schools, so if you are at all interested in research (or something like neurosurgery, which has a HUGE research component, in fact one to two years out of the five year residency is devoted to research), don't bother apply to a DO program.

 

[kimiwadare]

None of you seem to have answered OP's question. He asked for reasons why people choose MD if it's similar to DO, but all of your answers have been along the lines of "MD schools are harder to get into."

So basically people go to MD schools because it's harder to get into. Even if that was true, I thought people would at least lie about how they care about the "philosophy," or "atmosphere," or how one type of education would help us to better "serve the people."


All I am reading is about "scores" "gpa" "salary" "competitiveness" which basically suggests $$$ and prestiege and self-esteem are the main reasons behind people's decision in choosing their education.

Are we really all going to be doctors? Damn.

This is one of the main reasons why I want to be a doctor myself because I am not going to let you "doctors" tell me about my own health.

 

[WillowRose]

All I am reading is about "scores" "gpa" "salary" "competitiveness" which basically suggests $$$ and prestiege and self-esteem are the main reasons behind people's decision in choosing their education

Well, the OP made the mistake of launching a firestorm of responses on whether it truly *is* harder to get into MD school. Most of the posters have tried to emphasize that the question is really a matter of individual choice.

Issues of prestige, history, etc. all help to explain why more people apply to MD than DO schools. DO is a relatively young field of medicine. There are fewer around. And they still get very little respect in some areas. (Though I think most patients really don't care what your initials are as long as you are a good dr).

I honestly don't understand why anyone would go through the process of getting into (and finishing) medical school just for money or prestige. Law school is sooooooo much easier in every respect. Trust me, I've been there...not hard to get into, classes not nearly as hard as I expected.

The original question was not "why does anyone go MD if they're similar" it was a matter of why would anyone apply to MD if DO is the same because MD is so much harder to get into.

Unfortunately, the discussion quickly devolved into a matter of "people become DO's cause they ain't smart enough to be MD's." Truth is, most people decide based on factors that go well beyond their grades and MCAT scores. I want to go to a DO school, but I'm afraid I'll be forced to go MD because of family commitments.

Willow

 

[skypilot]

Originally posted by AJM
On the other hand, I have not met a single resident or fellow at Stanford who is a DO.
Just an observation...

Maybe you are not looking closely enough:

http://www.med.stanford.edu/emed/resinfo/class2003.html

 

[DD214_DOC]

Originally posted by skypilot
Maybe you are not looking closely enough:

http://www.med.stanford.edu/emed/resinfo/class2003.html

Ouch. Wonder if that guy is any relation to Sanjay Gupta. Perhaps that explains his appearance at Stanford. Here's some more:

Harvard Faculty/Staff:
Corey Collins, D.O. (Anesthesiology)
Eric Franklin Holt, D.O. (Antesthesiology)
Son Nguyen, D.O. (Anesthesiology)
Fred E. Shapiro, D.O. (Anesthesiology)


The list goes on and on and on. You know, this DO vs MD stuff reminds me of the "Ph.D. vs Psy.D." garbage in psychology. Same stuff, little different.

 

[skypilot]

Also notice that Stanford has a D.O. on the faculty in EM. I also noticed a cardiologist:


http://www.med.stanford.edu/emed/resinfo/rf.html

 

[KUMC_MD]

what is the point in argueing over all of this stuff... they are basically the same degree, just each has different points that may or may not appeal to you:

MD pros:
1)well recognised degree that you do not need any intelligence to defend, the degree says it all!
2)being so well known, you get to feel pretty good that you have such a degree.
3)umm... sorry i could only think of 2

DO pros:
1)well, you gotta defend your degree, so if you are an accomplished doctor, then you must be able to think fast on your feet and explain the differences...
2)you come out with a technique of medicine that MDs do not have, and which alone you could earn a very nice living.
3)you come away from omm tests feeling, better, more relaxed..
😉
4)the ratio of applicants to seats at DO schools is much higher than at MD schools, showing that if you get into a DO, you beat out a larger crowd.
5)you now have a degree in the most up and coming medical profession. Osteopathy is quickly gaining ground on allopathy. The simple fact that osteopaths learn more, will lead to them becoming the only doctors in the future. MDs, if the degree survives, will be purely research....

 

[Bull's eye]

This is stupid. I am a DO grad to be with 12 interviews (includes Hopkins, Barrow) to allopathic neurosurgery residencies, and no refusals for interviews. I did not do my clinicals in po-dunk bfe with no volume, no one did. (womansurg) Furthermore, the DO residencies are very good for your day to day clinical stuff i.e. PLIF for neurosurgeons. Am I the exception to the rule, no. No one else in my class wants to do neurosurg. I am in the top 20% of my class with Step 1 of 236, not that special. Oh and I don't have any family members pulling strings for me.

Point of this: most pre-meds think that you limit yourself by going DO. It hasn't limited me. Now wish me luck I'm interviewing at UM-columbia (Mizzou) on wed/thurs.

 

[skypilot]

Originally posted by Bull's eye
most pre-meds think that you limit yourself by going DO. It hasn't limited me. Now wish me luck I'm interviewing at UM-columbia (Mizzou) on wed/thurs.

Good luck

 

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"" The simple fact that osteopaths learn more, will lead to them becoming the only doctors in the future. MDs, if the degree survives, will be purely research....""

HAHAHAHAHA,

OMM is going to destroy the foundations of Allopathic clinical medice?

heck of a statment.

 

[calcrew14]

Originally posted by KUMC_MD

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2)you come out with a technique of medicine that MDs do not have, and which alone you could earn a very nice living.
3)you come away from omm tests feeling, better, more relaxed..
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The simple fact that osteopaths learn more, will lead to them becoming the only doctors in the future. MDs, if the degree survives, will be purely research....

I wouldn't be wishing hopelessly so.
Copycats are unbiquitous. Anything with great potential, or better yet , anything that works, can never sneak by their radar screens. There must be a compelling reason why some good thing doesn't happen the way it should. In this scenario, it might not be good enough for some kind of welfare of either patients or doctors, or possibly both. (Welfare can be synonymous with $ sometimes.)

What is the field of Physical Medicine or Physical Therapy thing about anyway? Why do these allo*s are so scared to manipulate... oops............I mean......... Why do these allo*s avoid hands to body contact too much? Quite a big development from their Pre-allo instincts, isn't it?

BTW, any recycle bin around? It is getting boring now. We need a new ring. Don't worry about gloves, though. Looks like we are not going to need them anymore. 😀

 

[profunda]

Is this a joke? This is stanford-kaiser! UCSF-Fresno is not UCSF, and as a matter of fact, loma linda has a much stronger program than UCSF-Fresno. The name affiliation "stanford" means nothing; it's still kaiser.

A DO, PharmD, PhD, DDS can all have academic positions at harvard anesthesiology. What does that prove?

And does showing a list of one DO out of 50 MD show that DOs enjoy open-arms for residency programs?

Good luck Bulls eye. But dont be too cocky; interviews for early match programs do not mean or secure any positions. I interviewed at Hopkins and other med schools, but I was far from being accepted at most institutions.

Originally posted by JKDMed
Ouch. Wonder if that guy is any relation to Sanjay Gupta. Perhaps that explains his appearance at Stanford. Here's some more:

Harvard Faculty/Staff:
Corey Collins, D.O. (Anesthesiology)
Eric Franklin Holt, D.O. (Antesthesiology)
Son Nguyen, D.O. (Anesthesiology)
Fred E. Shapiro, D.O. (Anesthesiology)


The list goes on and on and on. You know, this DO vs MD stuff reminds me of the "Ph.D. vs Psy.D." garbage in psychology. Same stuff, little different.

 

[Ms. Dawson DO]

Originally posted by Bull's eye
This is stupid. I am a DO grad to be with 12 interviews (includes Hopkins, Barrow) to allopathic neurosurgery residencies, and no refusals for interviews. I did not do my clinicals in po-dunk bfe with no volume, no one did. (womansurg) Furthermore, the DO residencies are very good for your day to day clinical stuff i.e. PLIF for neurosurgeons. Am I the exception to the rule, no. No one else in my class wants to do neurosurg. I am in the top 20% of my class with Step 1 of 236, not that special. Oh and I don't have any family members pulling strings for me.

Point of this: most pre-meds think that you limit yourself by going DO. It hasn't limited me. Now wish me luck I'm interviewing at UM-columbia (Mizzou) on wed/thurs.

Bullseye, I am very interested in neurosurgery and I was wondering what steps you took to secure your residency interviews. ie when/if you did research, subinternships etc... I can PM yolu if you don't want to divulge your secrets on this wack thread. BTW, congrats and goodluck

 

[DD214_DOC]

Originally posted by profunda
Is this a joke? This is stanford-kaiser! UCSF-Fresno is not UCSF, and as a matter of fact, loma linda has a much stronger program than UCSF-Fresno. The name affiliation "stanford" means nothing; it's still kaiser.

A DO, PharmD, PhD, DDS can all have academic positions at harvard anesthesiology. What does that prove?

And does showing a list of one DO out of 50 MD show that DOs enjoy open-arms for residency programs?

Good luck Bulls eye. But dont be too cocky; interviews for early match programs do not mean or secure any positions. I interviewed at Hopkins and other med schools, but I was far from being accepted at most institutions.

Actually it was Harvard, not Stanford. And since DO's make a very small percentage of the overall physician population, common sense and math 101 would tell you it would be hard to find many DO's in any single program. I guess you were sleeping the day that was taught, or you just didn't read that section of the textbook.


I'm beginning to notice that certain MD students and MD's don't dislike DO schools and even Caribbean schools because they ficticiously produce incompetant physicians, but because they exist. When a student who entered a DO school with a 3.2 undergrad and a 26 MCAT scores a 236 on the USMLE and has the same job responsibilities and salary as an MD, the prestige of having a 3.6 and a 33 mcat to get into an MD school becomes meaningless. DO schools and select caribbean schools are proving that GPA and MCAT have little bearing on the quality of physician any school produces, that ultimately it is the individual that determines his success or failure as a competant physician.

 

[sophiejane]

Originally posted by JKDMed


I'm beginning to notice that certain MD students and MD's don't dislike DO schools and even Caribbean schools because they ficticiously produce incompetant physicians, but because they exist. When a student who entered a DO school with a 3.2 undergrad and a 26 MCAT scores a 236 on the USMLE and has the same job responsibilities and salary as an MD, the prestige of having a 3.6 and a 33 mcat to get into an MD school becomes meaningless. DO schools and select caribbean schools are proving that GPA and MCAT have little bearing on the quality of physician any school produces, that ultimately it is the individual that determines his success or failure as a competant physician.

I think you just totally hit the nail on the proverbial head with that one. Well said.

 

[AJM]

Originally posted by skypilot
Maybe you are not looking closely enough:

http://www.med.stanford.edu/emed/resinfo/class2003.html

Interesting. That link shows a list of the Emed class who graduated from the program this last July. I never met that one DO on the list.

Also notice that Stanford has a D.O. on the faculty in EM. I also noticed a cardiologist:


http://www.med.stanford.edu/emed/resinfo/rf.html

Also interesting. The one DO attending in the list of about 50-60 is one of the few ED attendings at Stanford I have never met. And the cardiologist that you make a reference to is no longer a faculty member at Stanford -- he has been in private practice for the last year.

Again, I'm just making an observation, no judgment. It just appears to me that IMGs are more common at Stanford than DO's. (If it makes any difference, most of the IMG housestaff I know at Stanford went to European medical schools -- I don't know if that would matter to you...).

 

[AJM]

Originally posted by profunda
Is this a joke? This is stanford-kaiser! UCSF-Fresno is not UCSF, and as a matter of fact, loma linda has a much stronger program than UCSF-Fresno. The name affiliation "stanford" means nothing; it's still kaiser.

A DO, PharmD, PhD, DDS can all have academic positions at harvard anesthesiology. What does that prove?

And does showing a list of one DO out of 50 MD show that DOs enjoy open-arms for residency programs?

Good luck Bulls eye. But dont be too cocky; interviews for early match programs do not mean or secure any positions. I interviewed at Hopkins and other med schools, but I was far from being accepted at most institutions.

Good points, Profunda. But the Stanford-Kaiser E-med program IS the Stanford program -- there is no other Stanford Emed program. It's just called Stanford-Kaiser because the Stanford ER residents spend a good deal of time at Kaiser, and Kaiser provides part of their salaries.

 

[Buster Douglas]

Originally posted by AJM
It just appears to me that IMGs are more common at Stanford than DO's.

There are more IMG's in this country then there are D.O.'s.

 

[AJM]

Originally posted by Buster Douglas
There are more IMG's in this country then there are D.O.'s.

Yes, however, my posts were mostly in response to an earlier comment stating that Stanford (and some other schools) residency programs do not even consider IMGs for residency. I was trying to point out that there are several IMG housestaff at Stanford, so they do seem to take IMG applicants into consideration.

 

[profunda]

AJM, I am the one who made that original comment. I rarely care about IMG info since I dont need to know for the match because I will be AMG, but some IMG told me about that, referring to the IM program. Dont know if he was right or wrong, but he was applying for match at the time so I believed him. He said stanford doesnt consider IM IMGs at all.

Originally posted by AJM
Yes, however, my posts were mostly in response to an earlier comment stating that Stanford (and some other schools) residency programs do not even consider IMGs for residency. I was trying to point out that there are several IMG housestaff at Stanford, so they do seem to take IMG applicants into consideration.

 

[Ms. Dawson DO]

Originally posted by JKDMed

I'm beginning to notice that certain MD students and MD's don't dislike DO schools and even Caribbean schools because they ficticiously produce incompetant physicians, but because they exist. When a student who entered a DO school with a 3.2 undergrad and a 26 MCAT scores a 236 on the USMLE and has the same job responsibilities and salary as an MD, the prestige of having a 3.6 and a 33 mcat to get into an MD school becomes meaningless. DO schools and select caribbean schools are proving that GPA and MCAT have little bearing on the quality of physician any school produces, that ultimately it is the individual that determines his success or failure as a competant physician.

Can we post this to the AA thread in Pre-allo that Hightrump spends so much time posting to? I think this point is LOST completely in that thread as well and yet very valid. MCAT scores and UGRAD gpas will NEVER make the physician. It is only an indicator(which still isn't written in stone) of year 1 and year 2..which every 3rd year would even admit is BS compared to clinical years.... and this doesn't even touch residency and actual practice. If someone chooses DO for whatever reasons....trust that you will have to work hard to become successful(whatever specialty)..funny enough so will you MD counterparts...

 

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Originally posted by Ms. Dawson, DO
Can we post this to the AA thread in Pre-allo that Hightrump spends so much time posting to? I think this point is LOST completely in that thread as well and yet very valid. MCAT scores and UGRAD gpas will NEVER make the physician. It is only an indicator(which still isn't written in stone) of year 1 and year 2..which every 3rd year would even admit is BS compared to clinical years.... and this doesn't even touch residency and actual practice. If someone chooses DO for whatever reasons....trust that you will have to work hard to become successful(whatever specialty)..funny enough so will you MD counterparts...

Listen missy.......what did i say in here?

1) it is numericaly harder to get into an MD school, on average.
I think this is self evident.

I made no statments about quality ANYWHERE. prove me wrong.
My dad is a DO and a heck of a good one from what ive seen. He does surgery and is in the top 5% of earnings for ALL ObGyns. So dont think that just because profunda and I are arguing with the same people means that his opinions are anything like mine.

2) I dont think DOs will DESTROY allopathic medicine, as asserted by KUMC_MD

Are there extreme claims? Are they attacks on the integrity of Osteopathic medicine of the people who pursue it?

NO.

So back off. Im the moderate person here. dont encourage the wackos.

and as far as the AA thread goes.....

I never even said AA was unjust!

All i said was that it exists. And people with lower numbers get in because of their URM status. right or wrong.

If you want to grow up and debate something ill see you in the AA thread. Though i think you have better sense than to deny ANYTHING ive said here.

 

[Ms. Dawson DO]

Originally posted by hightrump
Listen missy.......what did i say in here?

1) it is numericaly harder to get into an MD school, on average.
I think this is self evident.

I made no statments about quality ANYWHERE. prove me wrong.
My dad is a DO and a heck of a good one from what ive seen. He does surgery and is in the top 5% of earnings for ALL ObGyns. So dont think that just because profunda and I are arguing with the same people means that his opinions are anything like mine.

2) I dont think DOs will DESTROY allopathic medicine, as asserted by KUMC_MD

Are there extreme claims? Are they attacks on the integrity of Osteopathic medicine of the people who pursue it?

NO.

So back off. Im the moderate person here. dont encourage the wackos.

and as far as the AA thread goes.....

I never even said AA was unjust!

All i said was that it exists. And people with lower numbers get in because of their URM status. right or wrong.

If you want to grow up and debate something ill see you in the AA thread. Though i think you have better sense than to deny ANYTHING ive said here.

Generally, I don't respond to such posts, but this one is hilarious...
LOL i am quite grown, years out of college with a family to boot. I have read your posts and I never attacked anything you said..so your defense of your statements was quite amusing. however, in one sitting, i did notice you posting alot HERE and one of the many AA threads in pre-allo...um is this not true? I also noticed that the JKDMED posting could benefit that AA thread as well..not necessarily in response to anything you have said but in general. Thus my response here. Perhaps you might want to calm down before you start another response with another 'listen missy'




Furthermore, how dare you suggest someone else grow up...aren't you the same person that posted some wackness about not even getting a secondary from stanford and you had a 35 on your mcat....as if you were entitled....now who needs to grow up? 🙄

 

[profunda]

Aging numerically or bearing children say nothing about maturity.

Originally posted by Ms. Dawson, DO
Generally, I don't respond to such posts, but this one is hilarious...
LOL i am quite grown, years out of college with a family to boot. I have read your posts and I never attacked anything you said..so your defense of your statements was quite amusing. however, in one sitting, i did notice you posting alot HERE and one of the many AA threads in pre-allo...um is this not true? I also noticed that the JKDMED posting could benefit that AA thread as well..not necessarily in response to anything you have said but in general. Thus my response here. Perhaps you might want to calm down before you start another response with another 'listen missy'




Furthermore, how dare you suggest someone else grow up...aren't you the same person that posted some wackness about not even getting a secondary from stanford and you had a 35 on your mcat....as if you were entitled....now who needs to grow up? 🙄

 

[fabiolablake]

How about showing a little respect to Ms. Dawson, DO?

 

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"Furthermore, how dare you suggest someone else grow up...aren't you the same person that posted some wackness about not even getting a secondary from stanford and you had a 35 on your mcat....as if you were entitled....now who needs to grow up?"

I didnt say it was owed to me. I thought it was odd thats all. And im not alone on this. Many people with great numbers got the boot and are wondering why. I dont think its immature.

as far as my original reply to you goes...yeah i over reacted.

 

[....]

Originally posted by fabiolablake
How about showing a little respect to Ms. Dawson, DO?

everyone deserves some respect, except jkd_med.
Does Dawson deserve more beacuse her user name gives the erroneus impression that she has a DO?

 

[DD214_DOC]

Originally posted by hightrump
everyone deserves some respect, except jkd_med.
Does Dawson deserve more beacuse her user name gives the erroneus impression that she has a DO?

If you're going to insult me, at least get my screen name right.

 

[....]

sorry man

 

[Ms. Dawson DO]

Originally posted by profunda
Aging numerically or bearing children say nothing about maturity.

Since you, as a med student, post the most ignorant comments, you WOULD know. 🙄

Bearing children and actually taking care of them says quite a bit about maturity. And unless you have your own, which you unconditionally love and support, you can't really speak on it.


Hightrump, its all good. We are all freaked out over the application process (regardless of maturity level)...I will concede that. Congrats on your Tulane acceptance!

 

[DD214_DOC]

Tulane? Ah, I understand now. You'll get a horrible education at a crappy low-tier school like Tulane. Harvard has a much higher average GPA and MCAT than Tulane does. Good luck getting a residency in anything other than family practice, hightrump.

 

[....]

Originally posted by JKDMed
Tulane? Ah, I understand now. You'll get a horrible education at a crappy low-tier school like Tulane. Harvard has a much higher average GPA and MCAT than Tulane does. Good luck getting a residency in anything other than family practice, hightrump.

First off.....i never claimed anthing like that about DO school (limited to FP or PC) so what you posted isnt a clever rebuttle is just being a goofball.

Good luck getting into ANY medschool.


And Tulane sends less of its class into primary care than Harvard does, btw.

 

[profunda]

Hm...coming back in a personal attack eh, ignorant, cant speak of it?

I dont know you, or anything about your maturity. There are a lot of parents out there I know who are not mature at all (other than daily friends, turn on your tv). That's a comment I am making in general and not about you, and I cant comment on your maturity because I dont know you. But you can show more of your maturity by participating in a civil discussion on an internet forum rather than throwing personal attacks.

Originally posted by Ms. Dawson, DO
Since you, as a med student, post the most ignorant comments, you WOULD know. 🙄

Bearing children and actually taking care of them says quite a bit about maturity. And unless you have your own, which you unconditionally love and support, you can't really speak on it.


Hightrump, its all good. We are all freaked out over the application process (regardless of maturity level)...I will concede that. Congrats on your Tulane acceptance!

 

[skypilot]

Another D.O. prof in cardiology at Stanford. Counting the other one who went into private practice I guess that makes two.


http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/october28/medappoint1028.html

 

[AJM]

Originally posted by skypilot
Another D.O. prof in cardiology at Stanford. Counting the other one who went into private practice I guess that makes two.


http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/october28/medappoint1028.html

That is the one I was talking about who is no longer a faculty member at Stanford. Notice the dates of the Assoc. professorship listed only went through August 2003. He left a few months early to do private practice.

 

[AJM]

Originally posted by profunda
AJM, I am the one who made that original comment. I rarely care about IMG info since I dont need to know for the match because I will be AMG, but some IMG told me about that, referring to the IM program. Dont know if he was right or wrong, but he was applying for match at the time so I believed him. He said stanford doesnt consider IM IMGs at all.

Profunda -- I understand. I just felt that I had to say something, because just in my class alone in the IM program, there are two IMG's (out of a class of 29). I do agree with the main points of what you've been saying, but I had wanted to clarify this misconception. (I'm sure it is, however, still quite difficult for IMG's to get even considered for the residency program).

 

[Ms. Dawson DO]

Originally posted by profunda
Hm...coming back in a personal attack eh, ignorant, cant speak of it?

I dont know you, or anything about your maturity. There are a lot of parents out there I know who are not mature at all (other than daily friends, turn on your tv). That's a comment I am making in general and not about you, and I cant comment on your maturity because I dont know you. But you can show more of your maturity by participating in a civil discussion on an internet forum rather than throwing personal attacks.

Generally, I refrain from responding to such threads, but I call them how I see them. I don't know what it says about your personality....but your posts have been among the most ignorant and offensive I have seen on SDN. You don't make personal attacks....you just attack groups making sweeping (rather ignorant) generalizations. Just an observation....And last I checked my posts have been nothing but civil...as opposed to beligerent and trollish(as described sdn-ers).... but you continue to do you...and i'll do me. cheers 😎

 

[profunda]

I gave it a chance, but further posts from you about anything I will completely ignore, since they accomplish nothing and I learn nothing from them.

AJM, glad to know that fact. Since he is still applying for the match and would like to be in the bay area, maybe I should inform him about your statistics.

Originally posted by Ms. Dawson, DO
Generally, I refrain from responding to such threads, but I call them how I see them. I don't know what it says about your personality....but your posts have been among the most ignorant and offensive I have seen on SDN. You don't make personal attacks....you just attack groups making sweeping (rather ignorant) generalizations. Just an observation....And last I checked my posts have been nothing but civil...as opposed to beligerent and trollish(as described sdn-ers).... but you continue to do you...and i'll do me. cheers 😎

 

[calcrew14]

I am having more than one interview offers now. Thank goodness.

How do I sincerely let the Adcoms (DO) know that they are dealing with a virginty in the only inteview I have with them? How do I let them know that it will also be my last if I am accepted? Should I make a pledge to detonate appropriately all other schools completely to the oblivion? Or should I just show them a $2000 check? Thanks

 

[discusdan]

I am a pre-med applying to enter 2005. I read about lower/mid tier schools and then upper schools. Could someone give me a list of the schools that fall into these categories. It doesnt need to be a huge list but a few from each category would be helpful.