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I am currently in my first year of DO school and I am applying to MD programs. Will this make me look bad to the MD schools? What should I say if asked to explain why I've chosen to do this?

My GPA was 4.0 in undergrad and my MCAT was 507 the first time. The second time, I got a 515.

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I am currently in my first year of DO school and I am applying to MD programs. Will this make me look bad to the MD schools? What should I say if asked to explain why I've chosen to do this?

My GPA was 4.0 in undergrad and my MCAT was 507 the first time. The second time, I got a 515.
 
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Will this make me look bad to the MD schools? What should I say if asked to explain why I've chosen to do this?

1.) Yes.
2.) Well, why are you choosing to do this?
 
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OP if you didn't like DO schools why did you apply there in the first place?
 
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I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a troll. I did this because I really always wanted to be an MD, but I didn't make it the first time. My stats were good enough for DO, so instead of wasting a year, I decided to pursue DO. After all, from what I've read, the two are basically the same. The training is different during years 1 and 2, but the later years of training are basically the same. And the life after med school is almost identical unless you want to go into academic medicine.

I realized that MD's also may have an easier time getting into competitive residencies, which is something I'd like to consider. I am not sure if I want to specialize, but I feel that if I ever want to, I'd have more doors open if I was an MD than if I was a DO.

Plus, I have come to realize that the beginning years of the DO philosophy don't really align with my personal beliefs. I mean, I've heard a lot of people say that I should just suck it up and deal with it for 4 years and I'll be done. Heck, some even said that if I deal with it for 2 years, afterwards, in the clinical years, I'll have basically an experience identical to the MD experience. But I don't think I'm happy right now and that's why I want to go for MD.
 
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a troll. I did this because I really always wanted to be an MD, but I didn't make it the first time. My stats were good enough for DO, so instead of wasting a year, I decided to pursue DO. After all, from what I've read, the two are basically the same. The training is different during years 1 and 2, but the later years of training are basically the same. And the life after med school is almost identical unless you want to go into academic medicine.

I realized that MD's also may have an easier time getting into competitive residencies, which is something I'd like to consider. I am not sure if I want to specialize, but I feel that if I ever want to, I'd have more doors open if I was an MD than if I was a DO.

Plus, I have come to realize that the beginning years of the DO philosophy don't really align with my personal beliefs. I mean, I've heard a lot of people say that I should just suck it up and deal with it for 4 years and I'll be done. Heck, some even said that if I deal with it for 2 years, afterwards, in the clinical years, I'll have basically an experience identical to the MD experience. But I don't think I'm happy right now and that's why I want to go for MD.
Annecdotally atleast I know DO's who matched well. They busted their ass in School and rotations. You will have already wasted a year and thousands of dollars. Perhaps the energy and resources applying to MD school could have been marshalled to land you your desired residency ? This internal monologue should have occurred up to the day before you started Medical school. Your logic could also be applied to going to a lower tier MD school and then applying to a Higher Tier one and thinking oh, maybe I want to go there because it will grant me a better residency. Suck it up. Finish what you started. Why do you think an MD school would want you now considering you have already matriculated to a DO school?
 
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Plus, I have come to realize that the beginning years of the DO philosophy don't really align with my personal beliefs. I mean, I've heard a lot of people say that I should just suck it up and deal with it for 4 years and I'll be done. Heck, some even said that if I deal with it for 2 years, afterwards, in the clinical years, I'll have basically an experience identical to the MD experience. But I don't think I'm happy right now and that's why I want to go for MD.

Anything specifically?
 
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Anything specifically?
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a troll. I did this because I really always wanted to be an MD, but I didn't make it the first time. My stats were good enough for DO, so instead of wasting a year, I decided to pursue DO. After all, from what I've read, the two are basically the same. The training is different during years 1 and 2, but the later years of training are basically the same. And the life after med school is almost identical unless you want to go into academic medicine.

I realized that MD's also may have an easier time getting into competitive residencies, which is something I'd like to consider. I am not sure if I want to specialize, but I feel that if I ever want to, I'd have more doors open if I was an MD than if I was a DO.

Plus, I have come to realize that the beginning years of the DO philosophy don't really align with my personal beliefs. I mean, I've heard a lot of people say that I should just suck it up and deal with it for 4 years and I'll be done. Heck, some even said that if I deal with it for 2 years, afterwards, in the clinical years, I'll have basically an experience identical to the MD experience. But I don't think I'm happy right now and that's why I want to go for MD.
Translation I dont want to do primary care and I want to make the Big Bucks as a specialist.

Seriously though If you think you are that caliber why not just Score Exceptionally well on your steps and Ace Medical school to land what ever residency you want. Hold your nose when it comes to OMM for a few more years and you are done. As a DO you will be licensed to practice medicine the same as your MD peers.

The only legitimate reason this could ever swing would be if you wanted to practice medicine abroad and that country does not accept the DO degree. Even then you would have to have pretty strong ties to that country to swing that in my opinion.
 
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I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a troll. I did this because I really always wanted to be an MD, but I didn't make it the first time. My stats were good enough for DO, so instead of wasting a year, I decided to pursue DO. After all, from what I've read, the two are basically the same. The training is different during years 1 and 2, but the later years of training are basically the same. And the life after med school is almost identical unless you want to go into academic medicine.

I realized that MD's also may have an easier time getting into competitive residencies, which is something I'd like to consider. I am not sure if I want to specialize, but I feel that if I ever want to, I'd have more doors open if I was an MD than if I was a DO.

Plus, I have come to realize that the beginning years of the DO philosophy don't really align with my personal beliefs. I mean, I've heard a lot of people say that I should just suck it up and deal with it for 4 years and I'll be done. Heck, some even said that if I deal with it for 2 years, afterwards, in the clinical years, I'll have basically an experience identical to the MD experience. But I don't think I'm happy right now and that's why I want to go for MD.

Really? So you took away a DO spot from someone who probably want to go to DO because of this? I think if I was adcom...i would seriously question your intention and motive for medicine. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Annecdotally atleast I know DO's who matched well. They busted their ass in School and rotations. You will have already wasted a year and thousands of dollars. Perhaps the energy and resources applying to MD school could have been marshalled to land you your desired residency ? This internal monologue should have occurred up to the day before you started Medical school. Your logic could also be applied to going to a lower tier MD school and then applying to a Higher Tier one and thinking oh, maybe I want to go there because it will grant me a better residency. Suck it up. Finish what you started. Why do you think an MD school would want you now considering you have already matriculated to a DO school?
I'm glad to hear your friends did well. Yeah, if I work hard, the outcome can still be a good one. That's true. A year is, I guess, a year of wasted income, right?

I should stop being a baby and just follow through. You're right. I feel like, I don't know, they'll see that I've always wanted to become a doctor no matter what, so even when my plan A didn't work out, I found another way. And I think I might just be trying to pacify myself, but it is good to see someone who...doesn't give up?

Anything specifically?
Not sure yet. I like to keep an open mind. But I always thought surgery would be fun if I decided to pursue it. But I'm not making any statements in stone, because I'm not even in my clinical years yet and I think those would play a big part in helping me form a...well...informed decision.

Translation I dont want to do primary care and I want to make the Big Bucks as a specialist.
TBH, the moment I decided to do medicine, I sort of realized I probably won't be rolling in any big bucks. I had the chance to go into burgeoning fields where I could do silicone valley-type stuff, but this was more appealing to me. I just, want to keep my doors open incase I change my mind about going into primary care.
 
Really? So you took away a DO spot from someone who probably want to go to DO because of this? I think if I was adcom...i would seriously question your intention and motive for medicine. Just my 2 cents.
thanks for the reply. Yeah, I guess I needed to hear that. It's not for certain though. I mean, if I don't get into an MD program, I'm sticking it through and through. I want to be a doctor no matter what and that's the reason why I went for a DO when I didn't get into an MD the first time.
 
I take it you are attending TUC
 
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Sorry, I'd rather not say. I am not exactly painting a nice picture of DO schools and I don't want to make it easy to find out who I am. I will tell you I'm on the west coast though.
 
Sorry, I'd rather not say. I am not exactly painting a nice picture of DO schools and I don't want to make it easy to find out who I am. I will tell you I'm on the west coast though.
you already gave enough clues. Suck it up. 3 more years and you will be a doctor. they are almost sadistic about OMM though.
 
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thanks for the reply. Yeah, I guess I needed to hear that. It's not for certain though. I mean, if I don't get into an MD program, I'm sticking it through and through. I want to be a doctor no matter what and that's the reason why I went for a DO when I didn't get into an MD the first time.

I think also the 515 will be averaged with your old score....scoring higher the second time isn't as impressive. So you're looking at a 4.0 with a 510ish...which is average for MD matriculants...but then you have this whole switch you gotta explain. Without something exceptional in your application...I don't see why any MD school would take you up on this offer.
 
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I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a troll. I did this because I really always wanted to be an MD, but I didn't make it the first time. My stats were good enough for DO, so instead of wasting a year, I decided to pursue DO. After all, from what I've read, the two are basically the same. The training is different during years 1 and 2, but the later years of training are basically the same. And the life after med school is almost identical unless you want to go into academic medicine.

I realized that MD's also may have an easier time getting into competitive residencies, which is something I'd like to consider. I am not sure if I want to specialize, but I feel that if I ever want to, I'd have more doors open if I was an MD than if I was a DO.

Plus, I have come to realize that the beginning years of the DO philosophy don't really align with my personal beliefs. I mean, I've heard a lot of people say that I should just suck it up and deal with it for 4 years and I'll be done. Heck, some even said that if I deal with it for 2 years, afterwards, in the clinical years, I'll have basically an experience identical to the MD experience. But I don't think I'm happy right now and that's why I want to go for MD.
UM. Isn't this a conversation you should have had with yourself/thought about BEFORE applying? I agree OP, suck it up, finish med school, be a doctor. You never have to use OMM or anything DO ever again, and your ability to match well will be on you knocking your boards out of the park.

Also, I would go so far as to say that if you're not happy right now, it might be more about medical school in general and not the kind of med school you're in. But that's just my $0.02.
 
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If serious, you will not be accepted at any MD school in the USA as a current medical student. I suggest you save your money and withdraw from AMCAS.
 
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I am currently in my first year of DO school and I am applying to MD programs. Will this make me look bad to the MD schools? What should I say if asked to explain why I've chosen to do this?

My GPA was 4.0 in undergrad and my MCAT was 507 the first time. The second time, I got a 515.

Have you ever asked yourself why you didn't make it into MD the first time?
 
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I think also the 515 will be averaged with your old score....scoring higher the second time isn't as impressive. So you're looking at a 4.0 with a 510ish...which is average for MD matriculants...but then you have this whole switch you gotta explain. Without something exceptional in your application...I don't see why any MD school would take you up on this offer.

What alternative dimension do you live in where a 4.0 is average?
 
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You'll be wasting a lot of money OP. Money that you, as a med student, really don't have to spare. I don't see any schools buying it. But to answer your original question, if I were forced into your situation, one thing I'd consider mentioning is your interest in transferring because of a school's location. Maybe you want to be closer to family or something?

Also - think about whether there's any "MD initials" lust in your drive to pursue this. People don't like to admit that they're swayed by something that petty, but it's pretty common. I'd be lying if I said I don't feel it a bit too.
 
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But to answer your original question, if I were forced into your situation, one thing I'd consider mentioning is your interest in transferring because of a school's location. Maybe you want to be closer to family or something?
Transfers from non-LCME schools are rare to non-existent today.
Transfers between LCME schools, though very uncommon, happen between years two and three (with a letter of support from the referring dean and a good Step 1 score)!
 
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Transfers from non-LCME schools are rare to non-existent today.
Transfers between LCME schools, though very uncommon, happen between years two and three (with a letter of support from the referring dean and a good Step 1 score)!

In these situations, does quality of school play a role? Is it typically a transfer between schools of similar tiers or do you go from a low tier to a mid tier (if kill step 1 and some other crazy circumstance that would make sense of transferring to said school)?
 
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Transfers from non-LCME schools are rare to non-existent today.
Transfers between LCME schools, though very uncommon, happen between years two and three (with a letter of support from the referring dean and a good Step 1 score)!
Transfers from and to his/her school have never occurred because their curriculum is very different even compared to other DO schools.
 
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In these situations, does quality of school play a role? Is it typically a transfer between schools of similar tiers or do you go from a low tier to a mid tier (if kill step 1 and some other crazy circumstance that would make sense of transferring to said school)?
Not in my experience.
The dearth of clinical sites has made transfers uncommon, even at schools that once considered them.
High stats don't matter for more than verification of mastery of material, the recipient school doesn't get "credit" for the MCAT or step 1 score of the transfer student, the donor school does!
Transfers are usually granted for humanitarian reasons.
 
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Not in my experience.
The dearth of clinical sites has made transfers uncommon, even at schools that once considered them.
High stats don't matter for transfers, the recipient school doesn't get "credit" for the MCAT or step 1 score of the transfer student, the donor school does!
Transfers are usually granted for humanitarian reasons.
Ah, so I should generate a personal humanitarian crisis in the Boston area near Cambridge.
 
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you already gave enough clues. Suck it up. 3 more years and you will be a doctor. they are almost sadistic about OMM though.
you're right. i just have to tough it out. stop being a wimp about it. 3 years is nothing compared to how long i plan to live/practice. and thanks for the heads up.
I think also the 515 will be averaged with your old score....scoring higher the second time isn't as impressive. So you're looking at a 4.0 with a 510ish...which is average for MD matriculants...but then you have this whole switch you gotta explain. Without something exceptional in your application...I don't see why any MD school would take you up on this offer.
oh, i didn't know they did that. yeah, i'd be average if that happened. but i appreciate the hard-hitting honesty.

UM. Isn't this a conversation you should have had with yourself/thought about BEFORE applying? I agree OP, suck it up, finish med school, be a doctor. You never have to use OMM or anything DO ever again, and your ability to match well will be on you knocking your boards out of the park.

Also, I would go so far as to say that if you're not happy right now, it might be more about medical school in general and not the kind of med school you're in. But that's just my $0.02.
yeah, i guess i was impulsive the first time. or, rather not impulsive, but i knew i'd only be happy being a doctor, so being a DO was a better choice than any other career if i couldn't be an MD. true, most DO's, including the one I shadowed, didn't really use OMM in their practices. Thanks for the reply!

If serious, you will not be accepted at any MD school in the USA as a current medical student. I suggest you save your money and withdraw from AMCAS.
Ahh, well, too late I suppose. but thank you for the reply.

Have you ever asked yourself why you didn't make it into MD the first time?
My MCATs were too low. Most schools have an unofficial cutoff at 510 ish.

What alternative dimension do you live in where a 4.0 is average?
not average, but i think i got rejected because of my mcats

You'll be wasting a lot of money OP. Money that you, as a med student, really don't have to spare. I don't see any schools buying it. But to answer your original question, if I were forced into your situation, one thing I'd consider mentioning is your interest in transferring because of a school's location. Maybe you want to be closer to family or something?

Also - think about whether there's any "MD initials" lust in your drive to pursue this. People don't like to admit that they're swayed by something that petty, but it's pretty common. I'd be lying if I said I don't feel it a bit too.
hmmm that's a good idea! thanks! yeah, i'll be honest, that is part of the reason why. i believe that though stigma against DO's is decreasing, it's still there, especially when you talk to some older folks who are in powerful positions.

I think becoming a doctor for me was also partly for the status and I feel that this is something only conferred with the MD. that might not be true though; maybe i'm just delusional.
 
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hmmm that's a good idea! thanks! yeah, i'll be honest, that is part of the reason why. i believe that though stigma against DO's is decreasing, it's still there, especially when you talk to some older folks who are in powerful positions.

I think becoming a doctor for me was also partly for the status and I feel that this is something only conferred with the MD. that might not be true though; maybe i'm just delusional.

A lot of schools have free student-run clinics where you can practice treating real patients. See if there's something similar available to you. Maybe spend some time there, go through the motions of "doctoring". It might help take your mind off of the minutiae of the profession and get you refocused on what you're really working toward: treating patients. Something similar helped me at times during the premed grind. Just a thought.
 
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Stay the course. Also, I have never heard of an unofficial cut-off of 510, but maybe you are referring to your state schools. I had the exact same MCAT score and a considerably lower GPA and gained an MD acceptance this cycle. Perhaps something else on your application held you back.

Also, I never received an II from the DO school in my state, but have received an acceptance from an MD school in my state. DO acceptance is not a guarantee, and you should be thankful for your spot. I have a hard time imagining any med school taking the time to try to figure out your motives for switching at this point in your education, especially with the number of applicants in each cycle. Just my 2 cents!!
 
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Schools do not have an unofficial cut off of 510.. It's called an average for a reason
 
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This is ridiculous.
We take one native M1 DO and put them into the wilds of M1 MD. How long will they survive in this new environment? Will they be able to survive among the native MD students armed with their knowledge of osteopathic manipulative treatment? One show is crazy enough to put it to the test!

DO THE MD. NAKED AND AFRAID.
 
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Getting into ANY school both DO&MD is a blessing. Maybe it's because I'm the first one in my family to even dream of the possibility....or go to college--but I think everyone here can agree how hard the admissions process is and you can't take for granted this wonderful opportunity. OP if you can successfully complete med school and go through the crucibles you'll be a doctor and those initials beside your name more or less are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things-- just be good to your patients and colleagues.
 
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I am currently in my first year of DO school and I am applying to MD programs. Will this make me look bad to the MD schools? What should I say if asked to explain why I've chosen to do this?

My GPA was 4.0 in undergrad and my MCAT was 507 the first time. The second time, I got a 515.
Heres the truth. If you are interested in primary care, it doesnt matter and stay in DO. But you could have also been NP or PA and do primary care. If you want to do anything else, or be in a desired location or program, then swich and give yourself the best shot of getting into your desired residency and avoid all the baggage that may come with a DO degree.

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We don't consider students that are currently in medical school. I don't know anyone that does.
Thats because your at a DO school. I dont think MD schools will hold this against you as long as you make your claim.

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Thats because your at a DO school. I dont think MD schools will hold this against you as long as you make your claim.

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Sorry, I'm fairly certain @gyngyn is at an MD school. But hey, if you think you know better than an adcom memeber feel free to keep giving poor advice.
 
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I guess applying to med school is so much fun that some folks want to do it twice.


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Guess I am old but how does a MCAT of 515 compare to MCAT score of 30?
 
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Thats because your at a DO school. I dont think MD schools will hold this against you as long as you make your claim.

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Really? You know this how? Before you post again giving advice perhaps you should do a little reading first.


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Really? You know this how? Before you post again giving advice perhaps you should do a little reading first.


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Doesnt require much, just look at his / her location.
 
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