IMGs are going to "Save Medicine"

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RogueBanana said:
Article shared by a friend who recently got accepted to SGU and loves to post about it on Facebook:

5 reasons why IMGs will save U.S. health care


Worth a read if you want a laugh
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"I graduated from St. George’s University, a medical school in Grenada that graduates more physicians annually than any other medical school in the world."

Oh boy. 2 lines in and I can already tell this is going to be interesting haha
 
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Who cares? When you are accepted to a US medical school, you stop caring about Caribbean schools and IMGs and all that other stuff they drone about in the pre-med reddit and Pre-Allopathic forum. Once you're in the big leagues, that pee-wee non-sense shouldn't concern you at all. As far as KevinMD is concerned :shrug: That site will publish anything by anyone, and very few of the articles on there are worth reading or commenting on.

I think there are too many people on SDN who have it out for Caribbean schools and Caribbean graduates. I went to a U.S. M.D. school and never thought about Caribbean as a viable option for myself. But never have I cared one iota about other people considering it an option. I personally wish everyone who goes to SGU or other Caribbean school the very best. I take absolutely no pleasure at all in the fact that many of these students won't match. And those of you who do are idiots, because the solution to the physician shortage will be to let Mary the 23 year old online trained DNP who never worked a real job in her entire life start practicing medicine with all the same legal rights as a fellowship-trained sub-specialist. I'd rather work with an "inferiorly" educated physician than someone who didn't have to sacrifice all those years of hard work of medical school and residency training.
 
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cbrons said:
Who cares? When you are accepted to a US medical school, you stop caring about Caribbean schools and IMGs and all that other stuff they drone about in the pre-med reddit and Pre-Allopathic forum. Once you're in the big leagues, that pee-wee non-sense shouldn't concern you at all. As far as KevinMD is concerned :shrug: That site will publish anything by anyone, and very few of the articles on there are worth reading or commenting on.
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I don't really care, I just found it kind of funny that someone would be ballsy enough to claim they are a better doctor not because of what they know, but because of where they went to school.
 
cbrons said:
When you have an M.D. from a U.S. or Canadian institution, you stop caring about pathetic efforts by inferior professionals to try assert their equivalency (or in the case of a select few D.O.s, deal with their inferiority complex). It's like that old saying about when your the lead dog you don't see or worry about the other dogs following you.
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I am happy that there is a contingent not as apathetic as you. It's important to have a strong movement and lobbying force asvocating for your profession. You don't stay on top by pretending to be blind and deaf to what's going on around you.
 
cbrons said:
I think there are too many people on SDN who have it out for Caribbean schools and Caribbean graduates. I went to a U.S. M.D. school and never thought about Caribbean as a viable option for myself. But never have I cared one iota about other people considering it an option. I personally wish everyone who goes to SGU or other Caribbean school the very best. I take absolutely no pleasure at all in the fact that many of these students won't match. And those of you who do are idiots, because the solution to the physician shortage will be to let Mary the 23 year old online trained DNP who never worked a real job in her entire life start practicing medicine with all the same legal rights as a fellowship-trained sub-specialist. I'd rather work with an "inferiorly" educated physician than someone who didn't have to sacrifice all those years of hard work of medical school and residency training.
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Hey man I'm not saying I have it out for Carib grads, I just posted a funny article written by one.

Also I don't necessarily consider IMGs to be "Inferior professionals". As far as I'm concerned, if you matched US and are US residency trained I believe you are fully qualified. I wouldn't consider said person inferior to a USMG at that point.

Lighten up, just sharing an article so everyone can go "haha the writer is delusional"
 
cbrons said:
So what? There is a D.O. campaign
When you have an M.D. from a U.S. or Canadian institution, you stop caring about pathetic efforts by inferior professionals to try assert their equivalency (or in the case of a select few D.O.s, deal with their inferiority complex). It's like that old saying about when your the lead dog you don't see or worry about the other dogs following you.
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cbrons said:
When you have an M.D. from a U.S. or Canadian institution, you stop caring about pathetic efforts by inferior professionals to try assert their equivalency (or in the case of a select few D.O.s, deal with their inferiority complex). It's like that old saying about when your the lead dog you don't see or worry about the other dogs following you.
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So... I got into an MD school. But **** you anyway, cause I have friends in DO schools that are perfectly intelligent and absolutely do not have an inferiority complex.

Come to think of it, seems like you're the one with the inferiority complex.
 
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LePepe said:
So... I got into an MD school. But **** you anyway, cause I have friends in DO schools that are perfectly intelligent and absolutely do not have an inferiority complex.

Come to think of it, seems like you're the one with the inferiority complex.
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You might not have noticed where I said "a select few DOs" meaning a small minority. Obviously that minority exists because they are the ones with an inferiority complex bad enough to create things like the Doctors That DO campaign. Also you are probably new here so I'll forgive your histrionics, but everyone here who is a regular knows I am a friend/supporter/whatever of DOs and DO students.

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Edit - Oh now I see you are a premed, so your opinion is totally irrelevant anyway.
 
Dires said:
I am happy that there is a contingent not as apathetic as you. It's important to have a strong movement and lobbying force asvocating for your profession. You don't stay on top by pretending to be blind and deaf to what's going on around you.
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Meh you have a point but the profession was sold out long before us by the last generation and apathy is hard to get over.

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It's all laughs until the public latches onto these blorons (blogging *****s) and your next patient asks why you aren't an IMG.

Potent irony that those most butthurt from prestige chasing wind up as IMG and then write articles like this, all the while knowing they would hand over one of their sensory organs in exchange for a US transfer without hesitation.
 
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I'm seriously really tired of this delusional perseveration on step scores that I see from Caribbean grads. Their school exclusively teaches to the test and then they study for months and then when they get above a 240 it all of a sudden becomes "see I was smart all along" or "man I worked so much harder than my US counterparts". Absolutely pathetic.
 
cbrons said:
So what? There is a D.O. campaign to do the same thing. Nurse practitioner lobby says they are more compassionate than actual physicians as well. Naturopaths and chiropractors the same thing.

When you have an M.D. from a U.S. or Canadian institution, you stop caring about pathetic efforts by inferior professionals to try assert their equivalency (or in the case of a select few D.O.s, deal with their inferiority complex). It's like that old saying about when your the lead dog you don't see or worry about the other dogs following you.
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Are you implying that D.O.s are "inferior professionals?"

You really need to take a step back and think about what you've typed before you hit the reply button. Posting this type of nonsense seems to be a trend with you.

Edit: I noticed your backtracking comment. You really shouldn't have lumped them in with naturopaths in the first place.
 
cbrons said:
You might not have noticed where I said "a select few DOs" meaning a small minority. Obviously that minority exists because they are the ones with an inferiority complex bad enough to create things like the Doctors That DO campaign. Also you are probably new here so I'll forgive your histrionics, but everyone here who is a regular knows I am a friend/supporter/whatever of DOs and DO students.

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Edit - Oh now I see you are a premed, so your opinion is totally irrelevant anyway.
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I realize that you're talking about a subset of DOs and understand where you get this idea that they have an inferiority complex. I used to believe that, but you'd be surprised how most of them genuinely believe there is something unique and special about being a DO. I understand how the campaign comes off as anti-MD, which is why I don't like it, but the intent really was to make brand recognition and expresses something these DOs actually believe is going on (uniqueness).

Truth is once you get out there DOs, FMGs, IMGs don't care about US MDs. It only matters in that you're fighting for residency. It's all like the undergrad dynamic where Ivy Leaguers spit on University of California grads who spit on State grads. At the end of the day your performance is what will be judged.
 
meurotic said:
Are you implying that D.O.s are "inferior professionals?"

You really need to take a step back and think about what you've typed before you hit the reply button. Posting this type of nonsense seems to be a trend with you.

Edit: I noticed your backtracking comment. You really shouldn't have lumped them in with naturopaths in the first place.
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The clarification is very plain for anyone who can read at a 6th grade level. There was no backtracking, it was clear that I wasn't lumping DOs in with the "inferiorly trained" group in the post I wrote.

When you have an M.D. from a U.S. or Canadian institution, you stop caring about pathetic efforts by inferior professionals to try assert their equivalency (or in the case of a select few D.O.s, deal with their inferiority complex).
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meurotic said:
Posting this type of nonsense seems to be a trend with you.
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And who are you again, kid? I've been posting on these boards for 10 years and you're an M1 who is barely beyond a new member. Don't presume to tell me about my posting trends for close to a decade with 6,000+ posts.
 
IMGs will probably save medicine. And i dont mean the carribeans. I mean india, china, europe, africa doctors etc. Medicine will be so bad here, people wont want to spend 300k and 10 years to become a doc. but IMG/FMGs will still love to do it because their MD was close to free compared to here, and is often shorter than the 4 yr Bach + 4 yr med done here.
 
anbuitachi said:
IMGs will probably save medicine. And i dont mean the carribeans. I mean india, china, europe, africa doctors etc. Medicine will be so bad here, people wont want to spend 300k and 10 years to become a doc. but IMG/FMGs will still love to do it because their MD was close to free compared to here, and is often shorter than the 4 yr Bach + 4 yr med done here.
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If only there was some hope of talking the dinosaurs in charge into reforming medical education, but no, their mantra is and always will be "we did it so you should too." I'm at the point in my training now when I'm just starting to see the reason why we do so many things in medicine often comes down to just "cuz we said so." There's no rhyme or reason behind it.
 
anbuitachi said:
IMGs will probably save medicine. And i dont mean the carribeans. I mean india, china, europe, africa doctors etc. Medicine will be so bad here, people wont want to spend 300k and 10 years to become a doc. but IMG/FMGs will still love to do it because their MD was close to free compared to here, and is often shorter than the 4 yr Bach + 4 yr med done here.
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Or patients don't want to spend 300K on an appendectomy, so they fly to India, China, Europe, etc to get seen by those FMGs directly.
 
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AlbinoHawk DO said:
I realize that you're talking about a subset of DOs and understand where you get this idea that they have an inferiority complex. I used to believe that, but you'd be surprised how most of them genuinely believe there is something unique and special about being a DO. I understand how the campaign comes off as anti-MD, which is why I don't like it, but the intent really was to make brand recognition and expresses something these DOs actually believe is going on (uniqueness).

Truth is once you get out there DOs, FMGs, IMGs don't care about US MDs. It only matters in that you're fighting for residency. It's all like the undergrad dynamic where Ivy Leaguers spit on University of California grads who spit on State grads. At the end of the day your performance is what will be judged.
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Agree there. It's always interesting and a little sad to me how many people have no idea what a DO is when over 25% of medical students in the US go to a DO school. I think in the future, all the "brand" advertisement will likely die down especially with the merger going on now. Until then though, I'm fine with organizations trying to raise awareness that DOs are legitimate physicians and that patients shouldn't be worried about receiving inferior treatment from DOs.

anbuitachi said:
Yea I recently read about patients going to mexico for some elective surgery
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It's been fairly common for a long time. A lot of people's workplaces will actually pay for them to get surgeries in Mexico or Taiwan (maybe Thailand? I get them mixed up...) because it's a fraction of the cost and a lot of times the care is just as good or almost as good as the U.S. The big problems with having surgeries done abroad are the travel issues and the fact that insurance companies won't pay for continuance of care or for complications that occur later and have to be treated in the U.S. So if you go get a knee replacement done in Mexico and end up septic a week later in the U.S., you're stuck with the bill.
 
anbuitachi said:
IMGs will probably save medicine. And i dont mean the carribeans. I mean india, china, europe, africa doctors etc. Medicine will be so bad here, people wont want to spend 300k and 10 years to become a doc. but IMG/FMGs will still love to do it because their MD was close to free compared to here, and is often shorter than the 4 yr Bach + 4 yr med done here.
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I think optho and derm have proven that market forces can successfully sustain their industries.


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"2. We never developed a sense of entitlement. Everyone — especially anyone who’s ever been a patient — can agree there’s nothing worse than an arrogant doctor who feels entitled to respect."

Lol wut.

Sorry girl but this post is screaming "GIVE ME RESPECT!!!"
 
Almost as bad as the other Caribbean student saying they are facing unjust discrimination and should have equal amount going into derm and ortho. "Forget board scores, grades, research, or any measure of being qualified, we faced hardships on those islands that should let m̶e̶ carribean students match ortho!"
 
This article is awful, and I say this as a Caribbean graduate myself. Her inexperience (she's an intern) and ironic lack of insight for her own biases make all the reasons she listed absolutely laughable. To be fair I've met medical studs and duds from every kind of medical school. In less than a year she's going to read this and say, "What was I thinking?"
 
Staphylococcus Aureus said:
Almost as bad as the other Caribbean student saying they are facing unjust discrimination and should have equal amount going into derm and ortho. "Forget board scores, grades, research, or any measure of being qualified, we faced hardships on those islands that should let m̶e̶ carribean students match ortho!"
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"the Harvard of the Caribbean"

Haha I found it, of course it's on HuffPo

Why U.S. Healthcare System Needs More Foreign Medical Grads, As Told By A Millennial Med Student | The Huffington Post
 
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