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As current podiatry students well educated in how everything works at your respective school - how do you feel about the immediate acceptance into your program? Do you think there should be a grace period rather than being told that same day whether you are accepted or not? I'm very eager to hear what you think. Thanks
 
As current podiatry students well educated in how everything works at your respective school - how do you feel about the immediate acceptance into your program? Do you think there should be a grace period rather than being told that same day whether you are accepted or not? I'm very eager to hear what you think. Thanks

Only a few schools actually do that and I personally don't like it very much.
 
Seems like all the schools are giving a grace period now before they accept you. 👍
 
I remember reading on a thread not to long ago about a student that was accepted on the spot at Scholl. I know that California accepts the same day you interview as well. They did when I interviewed there anyways.
 
I remember reading on a thread not to long ago about a student that was accepted on the spot at Scholl. I know that California accepts the same day you interview as well. They did when I interviewed there anyways.

It depends on wat time of year u apply. Now its impossible to get accepted on same day atleast for this year for the big four schools. its middle of the year.Now they are giving grace periods and some schools are even saying they will inform applicants after 1 month. while one school hasnt even contacted any applicant yet😎 (u guys know wat school it is👍 ).
 
Just last week a SDN member was accepted on the spot, what is different??
 
As current podiatry students well educated in how everything works at your respective school - how do you feel about the immediate acceptance into your program? Do you think there should be a grace period rather than being told that same day whether you are accepted or not? I'm very eager to hear what you think. Thanks

wats up man! do u plan to stir up this new debate and start war of words:laugh: atleast its good to debate on something within podiatry realms rather than discussing posts like "Do pods do full body evaluations?":laugh:
 
I was accepted at Cali but they didn't give me same day. When i looked at the acceptance letter though it had the date that it was given which was the day I interviewed but they sent me the packet after a week. I guess they did that just to make it seem like they don't do that anymore.
 
thanks for the input - but do you think it reflects poorly on the school if a student is accepted same day? I know that Scholl accepts same day, would it look better if they gave a grace period? And not only that, but don't you think that it looks desperate when you submit your podiatry common application and schools call for an interview the next day (if not the same day)?
 
I say yes, it reflects poorly on the program and podiatry in general. But in a recent debate w/ a DMU staff member, there are many concerns that pod schools have about the future. MD programs have recently announced that they will increase enrollment by 35%. That means DPM programs may have a low time again on the horizon. Only time will tell and I guarantee no school will change until they know how this increase will affect enrollment.
 
thanks for the input - but do you think it reflects poorly on the school if a student is accepted same day? I know that Scholl accepts same day, would it look better if they gave a grace period? And not only that, but don't you think that it looks desperate when you submit your podiatry common application and schools call for an interview the next day (if not the same day)?

Yes and I think it looks even more desperate when they walk in at the end of your interview and hand you your acceptance letter and packet.
 
i heard a student got accepted to Barry with a cummulative GRE score of 1000.

that is just terrible. the test is out of 2400 points for 3 sections. his score is average of 333 per section. crap crap crap.

the admissions at NY is shown day in and day out papers from Barry and temple that offer scholarships to people that would never get scholarships here.

I am starting to wonder why people think NY is part of the same day acceptance and low standards crap. I do not think NY has an admissions problem per se , but something does happen to the motivation of the students after acceptance.
 
Hello
In my opinion, I don't see why it would be a bad thing to be accepted on the same day as the interview. Pod schools are less competitive and generally there is enough room to accept 80% of the applicants. What's so wrong about knowing whether you get in or not right away? Based on your application, the school has a very good idea of where you stand even before they interview you. For most schools, the interview is to see your peoples skill, if any, and how you hold yourself professionally. If you're looking at the success of a pod college, you should look at their pass rates for the boards and where the alumnis of the school end up. Merely looking at the fact that they accept same day should probably not be a factor when you are deciding your career as a professional. Like I said, just my opinion. 😳
 
Hello
In my opinion, I don't see why it would be a bad thing to be accepted on the same day as the interview. Pod schools are less competitive and generally there is enough room to accept 80% of the applicants. What's so wrong about knowing whether you get in or not right away? Based on your application, the school has a very good idea of where you stand even before they interview you. For most schools, the interview is to see your peoples skill, if any, and how you hold yourself professionally. If you're looking at the success of a pod college, you should look at their pass rates for the boards and where the alumnis of the school end up. Merely looking at the fact that they accept same day should probably not be a factor when you are deciding your career as a professional. Like I said, just my opinion. 😳

Why accept mediocrity? Should podiatry not strive to become more than "less competitive"??? The number of seats should not set the bar for students. Schools must evaluate what makes a successful student and that is the basis for acceptance. It is unethical for any school to accept a student that may not pass boards or 1st year classes.
 
I kinda agree with tea_tu. I don't think a same-day acceptance has any reflection on the quality of a program. I know that I want to be a podiatrist, and the same-day thing isn't going to dissuade me from achieving my goals or make me feel worse about my decision. I know through all the information I've gathered about the profession that it is the perfect match for me.

The podiatrists I've shadowed basically told me that many schools were desperate for people to fill seats. Why try to hide it? Pretending like schools aren't desperate won't solve the problem. Maybe we should focus on getting the word out about podiatry (or be such great podiatrists in the future that more people are aware of the career or want to investigate the career) so that more people will be interested thus creating a "better" pool of applicants. I definitely don't think schools should turn away otherwise potentially good clinicians based upon arbitrary cut-offs if they need people to fill seats. Also, schools don't run for free, so they still have to make money to stay above water. I don't think more competitive necessarily means better by any means either.

I personally know a lot of people who focus on going to allopathic schools who are way more focused on numbers than anything else. They stress out about getting numbers/gpa's/mcat scores but don't focus on the bigger picture. They thumb their noses at osteopathy (and have no idea what podiatry is) because they like the competitive aspects of applying and getting into the more competitive allopathic med school more than the actual prospect of being a clinician. There's more to being a clinician than how well you do in orgo or on the mcat. Sure, the science is very important but medicine is about treating the patient not just the disease.

Maybe those applicants with mediocre scores had legitimate reasons why their scores sucked or maybe they just had awesome extracurricular experiences or demonstrated some quality that lead the admissions peeps to think they would be awesome podiatrists. I definitely don't think it's right for schools to accept candidates who are going to fail out, but poor scores don't necessarily tell the whole story about who will eventually fail or drop out. If schools don't have some sort of support system for the students who had subpar scores and the students fail out then I can definitely see how that would be unethical. Otherwise, the applicants are adults who have to make their own decisions whether they can handle school and if they're willing to work hard to succeed.
 
I have to disagree w/ you. MCAT scores directly reflect how you will do in school. CPMS tracks many stats of students that are unsuccessful. They try to prevent admit students that will fail. The school does not need the money so they are very dedicate to only accepting students that will matriculate.
 
I have to disagree w/ you. MCAT scores directly reflect how you will do in school. CPMS tracks many stats of students that are unsuccessful. They try to prevent admit students that will fail. The school does not need the money so they are very dedicate to only accepting students that will matriculate.

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I have to disagree w/ you. MCAT scores directly reflect how you will do in school. CPMS tracks many stats of students that are unsuccessful. They try to prevent admit students that will fail. The school does not need the money so they are very dedicate to only accepting students that will matriculate.

only way the schools to have high standards are when they will have good financial security. And in order to do that there are very few options: 1) accept anyone who applies as long as he/she meets the criteria. or 2) accept a few but only students with higher stats and increase tuition fees to meet their financial demand.

I have said earlier also. Its not the fault of schools. its their poor financial condition that is forcing them to do this. And the biggest culprits are we students pods (ofcourse u do the puppet show tats just gr8) and pre-pods.the applicant pool is so low compared to medical or dental. we have to increase it. I think we all pre-pods shud start campaigning or doing publicity abt Podiatry in undergrad colleges. make pre-pod clubs,etc which promote Podiatry and increase the applicant pool. in the Community college where iam taking som humanities classes. i have paired up with two freshman and we have started Pre-Podiatry club and we have 8 members also. And most important this "back up" option attitude shud be eliminated. Its really putting down the image of podiatry. people whom i spoke here (atleast in chicago milwaukee area) think we are some second class physicians who cudnt make it into Medical school so we ended up. When i was saying my acceptance to scholl, some of my friends were like "u shud have atleast tried for DO schools, u cud have got in ur stats r good". It gets so hard 🙁 to explain people that people do decide to bcom pods and not join podiatry bcoz they failed to get in Medical school. This backup option is really bad. it sure affects the mentality of people when they hear from a pre-med tat if he fails to get in med school he will join podiatry. they start seeing it like that way then.
 
😎 I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the same-day thing.

As for the MCAT: I know plenty of people who just took MCAT classes or hired private tutors that taught them how to score well on the test without much knowledge of the material vs. people who studied and learned the material but did horribly on the test. Not everyone is suited for taking standardized tests and a good score doesn't necessarily reflect good study habits in all cases. (That's why some universities are starting to stop making the SAT's a mandatory requirement for admissions, for example.)

Of course, I'm not discounting the fact that people with enough perseverance, hard work, or plain smarts to get a good MCAT score will most likely have those qualities translated into success in professional school.

I'm just saying that there are people with the advantage of time/money to get better scores over those without that time/money to do the same. So if you can't afford the classes and are bad at taking standardized tests, you're screwed? What's the point in learning the material then if all you have to do is figure out how to take the test to get a good score? Just playing the devil's advocate. I promise I'll stop with the sociological essays! This is just a great way for me to procrastinate instead of studying. 😀
 
😎 I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the same-day thing.

As for the MCAT: I know plenty of people who just took MCAT classes or hired private tutors that taught them how to score well on the test without much knowledge of the material vs. people who studied and learned the material but did horribly on the test. Not everyone is suited for taking standardized tests and a good score doesn't necessarily reflect good study habits in all cases. (That's why some universities are starting to stop making the SAT's a mandatory requirement for admissions, for example.)

Of course, I'm not discounting the fact that people with enough perseverance, hard work, or plain smarts to get a good MCAT score will most likely have those qualities translated into success in professional school.

I'm just saying that there are people with the advantage of time/money to get better scores over those without that time/money to do the same. So if you can't afford the classes and are bad at taking standardized tests, you're screwed? What's the point in learning the material then if all you have to do is figure out how to take the test to get a good score? Just playing the devil's advocate. I promise I'll stop with the sociological essays! This is just a great way for me to procrastinate instead of studying. 😀

Did you take the MCAT?

30-40 years ago MCAT was a multiple guess (choice) test w/ no reading passages. Now it is almost entirely a reading comprehension test. Bio,phys,reading all have passages that you need to understand and answer questions about. there are very few free standing questions that ask random info.

All the review classes do is give you practice at reading comprehension. I took princeton, Kaplan and read lots of newspapers to study for the MCAT.

I do not think that someone without money for review classes should fare that much worse.

Med schools use the scores not necessarily to see who has studied the most but who can comrehend info quickly and accurately because that is what med school is - lots of reading and comprehending quickly and accurately.
 
i heard a student got accepted to Barry with a cummulative GRE score of 1000.

that is just terrible. the test is out of 2400 points for 3 sections. his score is average of 333 per section. crap crap crap.

the admissions at NY is shown day in and day out papers from Barry and temple that offer scholarships to people that would never get scholarships here.

I am starting to wonder why people think NY is part of the same day acceptance and low standards crap. I do not think NY has an admissions problem per se , but something does happen to the motivation of the students after acceptance.

I agree with the spirit of your post but would like to annotate one thing. The GRE is out of 1600 points between 800 for Verbal and 800 for Quantitative. There is also a writing section where the test taker writes 2 essays. Each essay is reviewed by two separate graders. Then a number is assigned based on certain criteria. 6 is the highest given. The average score on the Verbal is about 490 and on the Quantitative about a 550. So, a score of 1000, while slightly below average, is not quite as terrible as you made it seem. 🙂

AZPOD Rocks
 
only way the schools to have high standards are when they will have good financial security. And in order to do that there are very few options: 1) accept anyone who applies as long as he/she meets the criteria. or 2) accept a few but only students with higher stats and increase tuition fees to meet their financial demand.

I have said earlier also. Its not the fault of schools. its their poor financial condition that is forcing them to do this. And the biggest culprits are we students pods (ofcourse u do the puppet show tats just gr8) and pre-pods.the applicant pool is so low compared to medical or dental. we have to increase it. I think we all pre-pods shud start campaigning or doing publicity abt Podiatry in undergrad colleges. make pre-pod clubs,etc which promote Podiatry and increase the applicant pool. in the Community college where iam taking som humanities classes. i have paired up with two freshman and we have started Pre-Podiatry club and we have 8 members also. And most important this "back up" option attitude shud be eliminated. Its really putting down the image of podiatry. people whom i spoke here (atleast in chicago milwaukee area) think we are some second class physicians who cudnt make it into Medical school so we ended up. When i was saying my acceptance to scholl, some of my friends were like "u shud have atleast tried for DO schools, u cud have got in ur stats r good". It gets so hard 🙁 to explain people that people do decide to bcom pods and not join podiatry bcoz they failed to get in Medical school. This backup option is really bad. it sure affects the mentality of people when they hear from a pre-med tat if he fails to get in med school he will join podiatry. they start seeing it like that way then.

How do you know the financial situation at the schools??? From what I understand DMU has made money consistently. In my opinion this is true fro 2 reasons: 1) the clinic is set up as a private practice for the faculty, so they want to bring in patients. 2) Being integrated w/ the DOs helps defer lecture costs. From what I understand Scholl is financial secure also.

Maybe a change in structure and leadership will help w/ this problem also.
 
How do you know the financial situation at the schools??? From what I understand DMU has made money consistently. In my opinion this is true fro 2 reasons: 1) the clinic is set up as a private practice for the faculty, so they want to bring in patients. 2) Being integrated w/ the DOs helps defer lecture costs. From what I understand Scholl is financial secure also.

Maybe a change in structure and leadership will help w/ this problem also.

I don't presume to know the financial standing of the schools, so this may be off base, but if the schools were hurting for money, couldn't they just increase tuition costs?? it seem the average price of tuition at the schools is right around 24K a year. some dental schools for out of staters is almost twice that figure! med schools aren't cheap either. i think our tuition is relatively low compared to other health care professional schools. i don't think pod schools are trying to make money by admitting just anyone. if they needed money, they would probably start increasing our tuition, right?
i have experienced pod schools making a push for excellence as far as entering statistics go. they are on the rise. if they can continue with this, then over time, we will see "better qualified" students, by way of stats, entering schools. if the 35% increase in admittance at md schools does happen as feelgood said, we might still be rough water for a while. i geuss we'll see...
 
How do you know the financial situation at the schools??? From what I understand DMU has made money consistently. In my opinion this is true fro 2 reasons: 1) the clinic is set up as a private practice for the faculty, so they want to bring in patients. 2) Being integrated w/ the DOs helps defer lecture costs. From what I understand Scholl is financial secure also.

Maybe a change in structure and leadership will help w/ this problem also.

Financially secure! absolutely yes!

but u guys were saying they shud increase the admission stats by themselves. Then there can be a possibility the number of applicants will be less. the very reason Podiatry schools started accepting DAT, GRE along with MCAT proves wat was the applicant condition of podiatry during those years and the reason why nearly all schools started as individual and are now affiliated with some university shows it was hard for them to survive on their own .the only reason they are going to MCAT is now it will be offered 22 times. and Now a days as the people are getting aware the admission standards are growing. But admission standards will grow when people will have demand of podiatry. but right now Podiatry is not common. not many know it. based on my experience, a majority of people dont even have an idea of podiatry.

Its like this, i have some jewelry. I know its expensive and i admire it but if i have to sell that for an expensive price. i gotta make sure my customer understands the value of this jewelry. so that he can bid for a price worth for that jewelry. if i show it to any local guy who has no idea what it is. he can even bid 50cents for it. bcoz he doesnt know at all wat it is.

Podiatry is like jewel. it sure needs only the best students. but its importance and awareness is not being carried out. it gotta be marketed. i know MD schools and DDS schools dont market but the general population knows what these professions are. podiatry is something unique. people just dont know it. Did u heard anytime any mother saying, "i hope my son bcomes a succesfull podiatrist". its not they dont respect it. they just dont know wat podiatry is. many think we are just MDs with specialized training. even healthcare guys dont know much abt us and u guys have said so many times on forums, how u explained to MDs or other professionals abt podiatry and how suprised they were.

the best core is generally applying only to MD and Dental. here and there, when they fail to get in, they do consider podiatry as backup .but tats not enough.People shud stop the mentality of Medicne>DO>DDS>DPM. Tats just hurting all. they shud treat MD=DDS=DO=DPM. The day all undergrad pre-med knows the value of podiatry and start treating all professions on the same platform.the competition will increase and definetly applicant pool will rise.

I also dont support same day acceptance and i agree this has nothing to with low admission stats or wat ever i have said above. its just school's poilicy and its their descision. but i just wanted to comment on the unawareness of podiatry in general population.
 
I don't presume to know the financial standing of the schools, so this may be off base, but if the schools were hurting for money, couldn't they just increase tuition costs?? it seem the average price of tuition at the schools is right around 24K a year. some dental schools for out of staters is almost twice that figure! med schools aren't cheap either. i think our tuition is relatively low compared to other health care professional schools. i don't think pod schools are trying to make money by admitting just anyone. if they needed money, they would probably start increasing our tuition, right?
i have experienced pod schools making a push for excellence as far as entering statistics go. they are on the rise. if they can continue with this, then over time, we will see "better qualified" students, by way of stats, entering schools. if the 35% increase in admittance at md schools does happen as feelgood said, we might still be rough water for a while. i geuss we'll see...

if they increase tuition who wud be the ultimate victim. It will be us! We will end up with more loan and more interest.i pray they dont increase the tuition fees.
 
Cool,

We will have to agree to disagree. My final comment is do you know how many people each school accepts??? If you do know, which I assume you do. There is fat to be trimmed. No school should accept 100 students when they receive 300 applications.

Low stats are a by-product of bad marketing, yes 100% agreed. But a contributing factor is class size and the assumption that it will not get better. If the class size is set by financial need, why is it the school w/ the smallest class size (excluding AZPOD) is having financial success?
 
I agree with the spirit of your post but would like to annotate one thing. The GRE is out of 1600 points between 800 for Verbal and 800 for Quantitative. There is also a writing section where the test taker writes 2 essays. Each essay is reviewed by two separate graders. Then a number is assigned based on certain criteria. 6 is the highest given. The average score on the Verbal is about 490 and on the Quantitative about a 550. So, a score of 1000, while slightly below average, is not quite as terrible as you made it seem. 🙂

AZPOD Rocks

this test was taken before the change to 2 sections when the analytical was still in the test - so I am still right!:laugh:
 
How do you know the financial situation at the schools??? From what I understand DMU has made money consistently. In my opinion this is true fro 2 reasons: 1) the clinic is set up as a private practice for the faculty, so they want to bring in patients. 2) Being integrated w/ the DOs helps defer lecture costs. From what I understand Scholl is financial secure also.

Maybe a change in structure and leadership will help w/ this problem also.

cool does not know - he just got accepted. he repeats what he has read on these posts but in his own words(sometimes).
 
Cool,

We will have to agree to disagree. My final comment is do you know how many people each school accepts??? If you do know, which I assume you do. There is fat to be trimmed. No school should accept 100 students when they receive 300 applications.

Low stats are a by-product of bad marketing, yes 100% agreed. But a contributing factor is class size and the assumption that it will not get better. If the class size is set by financial need, why is it the school w/ the smallest class size (excluding AZPOD) is having financial success?


u believe applicants with 3.8 and 3.9 with MCAT 33 will apply one day. and i pray ur wish comes true. But i can assure u this is not gonna happen, unless people outthere really treat podiatry something worth of 3.8 and 3.9. u may give me some examples where someone applied with 3.8 or say AZPOD had a 3.5 last year. I will give my examples abt present pod student stats .ur opinion or my explanation is not gonna change anything. Same day acceptances will continue and low stats will keep on coming. So its pointless to argue on something tat isnt gonna change. U r senior to me, u r a pod student and u have seen many things in podiatry that i cant even see in a dream , so i believe u r right. ur the BOSS👍
 
i said u, same day acceptances are not bcoz of financial condition or etc. Its just school policy.

u believe applicants with 3.8 and 3.9 with MCAT 33 will apply one day. and i pray ur wish comes true. But i can assure u this is not gonna happen unless people outthere really treat podiatry something worth of 3.8 and 3.9. Do u really think many pre-meds will apply to pod school if they have 3.8 or 3.8 or a high mcat score. man the first thing they do is they apply to med school. Its a reality. show me one school tat has a pre-pod club or any national pre-pod organization. u may give me some examples where someone applied with 3.8 or say AZPOD had a 3.5 last year. I will give my examples.ur opinion or my explanation is not gonna change anything. Same day acceptances will continue and low stats will keep on coming. So its pointless to argue on something tat isnt gonna change. U r senior to me, u r a pod student and u have seen many things in podiatry , so i believe u r right. ur the BOSS👍

Are you putting words in my mouth??? Did I say those stats??? I would be happy w/ an average GPA of 3.3 and an MCAT of 24. Those are realistic. My concern is the MCAT more than the GPA. I would love to see podiatry become the place for those your worked or just screwed around and got a 3.0 but scored well on the MCAT. That proves they are smart but lazy.

If you are going to claim I stated something please don't make me sound ignorant.
 
Are you putting words in my mouth??? Did I say those stats??? I would be happy w/ an average GPA of 3.3 and an MCAT of 24. Those are realistic. My concern is the MCAT more than the GPA. I would love to see podiatry become the place for those your worked or just screwed around and got a 3.0 but scored well on the MCAT. That proves they are smart but lazy.

If you are going to claim I stated something please don't make me sound ignorant.

no man i never said u said. i though when u said high stats. iam sorry, i though u r comparing med stats. Iam sorry. i really mean it. i was just thinking u r trying to say we need higher stats so i was confusing them with med stats.

man 3.3 and mcat 24 is not high. i am asking honestly, are u saying that people are getting accepted even lower mcat scores. I thought the average mcat for pods was 22 or 23.u expect 24 score. . do u mean people even below 22 MCAT are getting accepted. u gotta believe me, I was really thinking u want 3.8 and 3.9s to apply to pod. and i was debating. But can u say wat is the lowest MCAT ever accepted by podiatry school in recent days.
 
no man i never said u said. i though when u said high stats. iam sorry, i though u r comparing med stats. Iam sorry. i really mean it. i was just thinking u r trying to say we need higher stats so i was confusing them with med stats.

man 3.3 and mcat 24 is not high. i am asking honestly, are u saying that people are getting accepted even lower mcat scores. I thought the average mcat for pods was 22 or 23.u expect 24 score. . do u mean people even below 22 MCAT are getting accepted. u gotta believe me, I was really thinking u want 3.8 and 3.9s to apply to pod. and i was debating. But can u say wat is the lowest MCAT ever accepted by podiatry school in recent days.

you can do a search but I will not post the low score that got accepted with my class. can you average 4.7ish per section? this is miserable and the admissins question everyday what they were thinking.

the ave GPA and MCAT for DO are not much higher than 3.5 and 24 if that at some schools. so pods cannot expect more even though it is a better profession👍 😉

When I become president of APMA things will change. we will have national public eduction campaigns about podiatry.

When you ask a patient what doctor they see for their teeth - the automatic answer is Dentist.

I'm going to do this for foot care and podiatry.
 
you can do a search but I will not post the low score that got accepted with my class. can you average 4.7ish per section? this is miserable and the admissins question everyday what they were thinking.

the ave GPA and MCAT for DO are not much higher than 3.5 and 24 if that at some schools. so pods cannot expect more even though it is a better profession👍 😉

When I become president of APMA things will change. we will have national public eduction campaigns about podiatry.

When you ask a patient what doctor they see for their teeth - the automatic answer is Dentist.

I'm going to do this for foot care and podiatry.

👍 best of luck.
 
Concerning the Medieval Feudal system, where Kings, Lords and barrons ruled supreme.... the question probably was,

"why not subjugate as many peasants as quickly as possible for the glory of our name and the expansion of our empire?"
 
if they increase tuition who wud be the ultimate victim. It will be us! We will end up with more loan and more interest.i pray they dont increase the tuition fees.

you missed the point. if schools need money, they could probably charge more tuition. that is all i was getting at.
 
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