Importance of Audition Rotations?

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crazyboi1993 said:
I was told for Family medicine, the average scores were lower, is that no the case?
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For some programs for sure. The benefit of the audition is that you get to see them while they are watching you. How is the teaching, are the residents happy with teaching and clinical load etc.? You dont want to match at a program you have never really seen, an interview is a snapshot at best. Good luck and best wishes
 
crazyboi1993 said:
I am interested in FM. With a Step score of 223, and Comlex of 526, is it necessary to do audition rotations. ?
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I wouldn’t do auditions for FM if you have strong LORs in addition to strong clinical performance for all rotations as in at least HP for everything min.

If there’s a dream program, sure go ahead. However, I wouldn’t be hustling as hard as a DO for university IM or surgery, since it’s FM. There’s no such thing as gunning or hustling in FM. You might intimidate the people there and get screened out for your high intense competitive spirit.

For FM, you have to smoke a few blunts, grow out your hair, smile, and say savasana to your PDs during interviews.
 
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Your scores are fine. Do some FM rotations, maybe an audition at a place you would like and do maybe an outpatient FM with a mentor or something. Otherwise you are fine. Pass everything and you will get lots of offers.
 
Black Coffee 24/7 said:
I wouldn’t do auditions for FM if you have strong LORs in addition to strong clinical performance for all rotations as in at least HP for everything min.

If there’s a dream program, sure go ahead. However, I wouldn’t be hustling as hard as a DO for university IM or surgery, since it’s FM. There’s no such thing as gunning or hustling in FM. You might intimidate the people there and get screened out for your high intense competitive spirit.

For FM, you have to smoke a few blunts, grow out your hair, smile, and say savasana to your PDs during interviews.
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Are school is weird they do clinical grades by A, B, and C, so I don't know how its interpreted. I feel like auditions can hurt you sometimes, I plan on applying to over 40 programs in TX, NC, FL and NY, and sprinkle some other ones.
 
crazyboi1993 said:
Are school is weird they do clinical grades by A, B, and C, so I don't know how its interpreted. I feel like auditions can hurt you sometimes, I plan on applying to over 40 programs in TX, NC, FL and NY, and sprinkle some other ones.
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I would not feel comfortable going to a residency I knew little more than what I gleaned st an interview. Too many unknowns, would hate to find out I made a huge 4 yr mistake on the first day
 
Angus Avagadro said:
Your scores are barely average. Do the auditions and shine. Show up early, stay late, ask if you can help with anything
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What the heck are you saying? His scores are close to the overall average, but they are definitely high for FM. He doesn't need to audition at all, unless he wants to, or really likes a specific program. Even then he is almost as likely to harm as to help. He is a strong applicant as is.

Edit: If anyone ever wonders what typical bad advice from DO school is, see Angus' comments above.
 
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crazyboi1993 said:
Are school is weird they do clinical grades by A, B, and C, so I don't know how its interpreted. I feel like auditions can hurt you sometimes, I plan on applying to over 40 programs in TX, NC, FL and NY, and sprinkle some other ones.
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You are exactly right. You will be fine with out them. Pick the program you like best from the many interviews you are likely to get.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
Your scores are barely average. Do the auditions and shine. Show up early, stay late, ask if you can help with anything
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I'm starting to think you aren't actually an attending. You give terrible advice.

Angus Avagadro said:
I would not feel comfortable going to a residency I knew little more than what I gleaned st an interview. Too many unknowns, would hate to find out I made a huge 4 yr mistake on the first day
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You realize this is what most MD students do right? and it seems to work just fine for them.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
I would not feel comfortable going to a residency I knew little more than what I gleaned st an interview. Too many unknowns, would hate to find out I made a huge 4 yr mistake on the first day
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So it took you 4 years to do a FM residency? That actually makes sense. Your advice certainly falls in line with that kind of result.
 
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AnatomyGrey12 said:
I'm starting to think you aren't actually an attending. You give terrible advice.



You realize this is what most MD students do right? and it seems to work just fine for them.
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Pretty sure that he’s a PhD admin for some DO based on his opinions. His advices are so out of touch w/ reality.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
I would not feel comfortable going to a residency I knew little more than what I gleaned st an interview. Too many unknowns, would hate to find out I made a huge 4 yr mistake on the first day
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FM is a three year residency.

You need to need to educate yourself on the residency process, the type of specialties, and their length before your opinions can be taken seriously.
 
crazyboi1993 said:
Are school is weird they do clinical grades by A, B, and C, so I don't know how its interpreted. I feel like auditions can hurt you sometimes, I plan on applying to over 40 programs in TX, NC, FL and NY, and sprinkle some other ones.
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HPs are Bs in your case then.

Only audition on at your dream program.

You will get plenty of IIs assuming that your LORs are strong, which support you as a team player with a fun personality.
 
Lawper said:
That would be unfortunate since that would mean he's misrepresenting his status by saying he's an attending and giving advice as such.
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Its kind of perfect tho, hes like a magnet for all the goobers who drink the koolaid. Gives me a clue who I shouldn't be listening too.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
I'm starting to think you aren't actually an attending. You give terrible advice.



You realize this is what most MD students do right? and it seems to work just fine for them.
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If you erudite wannabes want to spend 3 yrs of you life in a place where you have little to no understanding of the teaching or culture, go for it. Then you can whine about it on social media when it is not everything you were led to believe it was. But, hey, if an MD does something stupid, then it's ok for you to do it. Right?
 
Angus Avagadro said:
If you erudite wannabes want to spend 3 yrs of you life in a place where you have little to no understanding of the teaching or culture, go for it. Then you can whine about it on social media when it is not everything you were led to believe it was. But, hey, if an MD does something stupid, then it's ok for you to do it. Right?
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Your advice is terrible dude. Go get a verified physician badge if you want us to take you seriously.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
If you erudite wannabes want to spend 3 yrs of you life in a place where you have little to no understanding of the teaching or culture, go for it. Then you can whine about it on social media when it is not everything you were led to believe it was. But, hey, if an MD does something stupid, then it's ok for you to do it. Right?
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Well at least it won't be 4 years tho right, I'm sure that sucked. 😛

I feel a bit bad about making fun of you, but your really earning it in this thread.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
If I did, you would take me seriously?
Somehow, I dont think so.
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I and my fellow colleagues disagree.

We honestly don’t gaf about PhD opinions.

Your authority as an attending is in serious question considering that you mistake the length of a FM residency as being 4 years instead of 3 years.

That mistake is inexcusable for an attending.
 
BorntobeDO? said:
Well at least it won't be 4 years tho right, I'm sure that sucked. 😛

I feel a bit bad about making fun of you, but your really earning it in this thread.
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Feel a bit bad? I dont think so. So go train at a place where you only have superficial knowledge . What could go wrong? Good luck and best wishes.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
Feel a bit bad? I dont think so. So go train at a place where you only have superficial knowledge . What could go wrong? Good luck and best wishes.
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Are you trying to insulate that FM physicians who finish their training in 3 years are poor clinicians with only superficial knowledge?
 
Black Coffee 24/7 said:
I and my fellow colleagues disagree.

We honestly don’t gaf about PhD opinions.

Your authority as an attending is in serious question considering that you mistake the length of a FM residency as being 4 years instead of 3 years.

That mistake is inexcusable for an attending.
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Inexcusable? In your mind.
Authority? Read my posts, judge them on logic, and the merit of the advice, like anyone else post. Dont agree, fine. Quibbling about typing 4 , which you know, I think, is right beside the 3, is akin to a spelling nazi. Ok, it was inaccurate. I think I'm done on this thread


INSULATE... family physicians who finish their training in 3 yrs... Some spelling nazis would comment, but I wont.
 
BorntobeDO? said:
What the heck are you saying? His scores are close to the overall average, but they are definitely high for FM. He doesn't need to audition at all, unless he wants to, or really likes a specific program. Even then he is almost as likely to harm as to help. He is a strong applicant as is.

Edit: If anyone ever wonders what typical bad advice from DO school is, see Angus' comments above.
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Thanks for encouraging feedback. His post had me worried for a second. I really am committed to family medicine, top 1/3 in my class of 200, all A's in rotations so far. Our school rarely gives C to be honest, lot of volunteer work, laid back personality. I am at a program right now doing my core rotations and seeing some of the audition rotating students, and the gossip between residents about the audition students on everything makes me thing it will do more harm than good at the end of the day, and seems like more of a waste of money.
 
crazyboi1993 said:
Thanks for encouraging feedback. His post had me worried for a second. I really am committed to family medicine, top 1/3 in my class of 200, all A's in rotations so far. Our school rarely gives C to be honest, lot of volunteer work, laid back personality. I am at a program right now doing my core rotations and seeing some of the audition rotating students, and the gossip between residents about the audition students on everything makes me thing it will do more harm than good at the end of the day, and seems like more of a waste of money.
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I personally know of people from my school that match to good FM programs at desirable cities like Seattle, LA, San Fran, San Diego, Chi, Boston, etc... either w/ Step 1 in the 220s or 210s. They audition at those marquee places though. So, my opinion still stands that you only audition at 1 or max 2 places at desirable places.

Your Step 1 along with strong LORs highlighting your work ethic and chill personality will get you very far in the FM application cycle.
 
Thanks for your advice. Any advice how to search programs besides FREIDA, or get reviews from people interviewing there. I wanna start making a list.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
If I did, you would take me seriously?
Somehow, I dont think so.
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You missed the point. In any case, are you trolling? Or is your seriously bad advice actually stuff you believe?

I didn't want to say it before, but I really think you are an osteopathic bone wizard specializing in cranial somewhere random.
 
You'll be fine without auditions. WTF is this thing about okay if everything was high pass?
 
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